9/11 was 10 years ago

[sivispacem]

The terrorists, baby-killers though they are, belive in something.

Ahh, well this is arguable. Do you really believe that those who plan and conduct these operations believe that they are doing something moral, something acceptable, something that would come under the traditional understanding of the concept of jihad? No, it's religion for politics sake- they use religion as a motivation tool, but their actual aim is something political. Whilst I absolutely agree that the behaviour of those who somehow blame these attacks on the US or other Western nation actions and foreign policy is deplorable- not least because all the evidence points to it not even being true- they're simply deluded, themselves drawn into the terrorism mythos and to some extent deflecting their own inadequacies with their life and distorted understanding of their own nation's policies. They're making excuses for the actions of people they simply don't understand- that's naivety at it's height. To some extent, those who conduct the attacks are victims in their own right- many are young, impressionable, naive, have a poor understanding of their own religion or have just simply lost faith in the modern world. It's the organisers- those who use religion to incite these individuals to commit politically-motivated acts- who are the most disgusting.

 

The fascists, I was referring directly to the Islamist organisations who conduct these attacks. Thus where the idea of "Islamofascism" comes from.

[OchyGTA]

Out of curiosity, any one on here believe the conspiracy theories? RIP to all those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attacks. On a separate note, really annoys me when people label all Muslims as terrorists. The terrorists who we are fighting in Afghan (although I don't believe we should be in there) have used Islam to justify their cause.

[Doc Rikowski]

This topic makes me feel old. All these users being 5 or 6 when 9/11 happened.

I was 28 when it happened. I came back from lunch break (in Europe) and someone told us a pilot had it the Twin Towers while trying to land in NY. I immediately thought: well it must have been quite a drunk pilot!

I spent the rest of the afternoon watching the news and surfing the web. Everybody stopped working that day.

I have great respect for the people that lost their lives and sacrificed themselves in the line of duty during that day.

Especially NYFD and NYPD.

It's still a partially obscure chapter of human history imho but this ain't the place nor the time to debate that.

When tragedies like 9/11 happen we all lose no matter what our political ideas and opinions are.

Respect. RIP.

[Chewie]

I just got back from Hawaii a week before 9/11 and I was 8 when it happened. I remember that I was tracing some pictures on my desk in my living room and my parents were watching the news about it.

[sivispacem]

Out of curiosity, any one on here believe the conspiracy theories?

I'm sure there are some, but Andrew has specifically forbade discussion on the subject in this thread.

However, if people do really want to go through the motions of debating it for about the 30 millionth time, I'm happy for people to start a thread in Debates and Discussion. Just don't expect it to last very long unless there's some really new and interesting stuff brought out in it. The last topic got locked because it spent 10 pages going round in circles.

[visionist]

I was 11 years young, on a train bound outta Napoli Centrale, when the first Boeing struck. I remember many details; narrowing my eyes out the train window in a childish effort to captivate the pretty 30 year old sat across from us, getting home and eating a Kinder Chocolate Cereal bar, whereupon my mother proclaimed "They've attacked the Pentagon", and I shrugged and retorted "hadda happen sooner or later". I didn't turn on the TV for a long while, but when I did every single last channel was screaming AMERICA UNDER ATTACK. All 16 channels we had at the time carried the footage, AFAIK the towers themselves were already dust at that time. It affected me more profoundly than anything ever had. I cried the next day, after seeing the images all over the front pages. I remember having cried only days before at a depressing documentary about the Kursk Sub tragedy. I was an emotional kid. Soft as sh*te.

 

I'l be getting up at 5am- midnight in NYC- to go to work. I'l be home by 1:30 so may be just in time to witness the ceremony on TV. Formula 1 never seemed so boring.

[Swarz]

I've still got the Newspaper I bought on 12th September.

 

I was studying politics at the time. I remember turning to my friend and saying "This is gonna change everything".

 

 

[trip]

It is weird to think it has been 10 years already.

 

It was all very surreal.

 

I was at work and someone in the elevator said a plan crashed into one of the WTC Towers. It was almost too casual how he relayed it. Not long after that a co-worker came up to me and said a plan crashed into the 2nd tower. She was almost too casual with it too. I guess we were all kind of in a weird shock, and not knowing how or what to think.

 

By then CNN was streaming from most computers in our office. The day quickly became sad as the reality of the lose of life hit.

[NaidRaida]

This day changed my life in parts, maybe only in thinking but something changed. Another big crack in my heart. I still have to cry about it cause it´s so unbelivable and cruel. Going to be a tough weekend.

 

I really don´t care who was involved to do this BUT it shows the dark side of us all. Everything is possible. Love each other AND yourself. Hating for whatever don´t pay at the end. No.

 

My deepest condolences for all those who were "really" involved in this dramatic day.

 

I still cannot believe it.

 

Have to go, eyes getting wet...

 

Edited September 9, 2011 by NaidRaida

[danjodan]

I think it is totally dis-respectful that they are building another tower in the place where original WTC collapsed.

It is a grave yard after all

[Brown Sugar]

I think it is totally dis-respectful that they are building another tower in the place where original WTC collapsed.

It is a grave yard after all

I guess you think they're building it just to take up empty space then.

[Petarkco]

Another good documentary to watch is 102 Minutes That Changed America as its real time amateur footage.

You can view some of the included videos at http://www.history.com/topics/9-11-attacks...witness-to-911/

Viewer Discretion is Advised as you do see people jumping from the towers.

[Pagelzilla]

I think it is totally dis-respectful that they are building another tower in the place where original WTC collapsed.

It is a grave yard after all

That was a debate that lasted years before any real construction began. There's an incredibly touching documentary on the Discover Channel now about rebuilding ground zero.

 

Seeing the incredible attention to detail and the care that every individual is putting into the project might change your mind.

[NaidRaida]

I felt pretty sad when I heard this on radio today:

 

"The original plan to built a new building on this place was dropped because it´s not luctrativ enough for the involved builder [...]"

 

That is what I call disrespectful.

 

Wanna punch those type of guys.

[Robinski]

I felt pretty sad when I heard this on radio today:

 

"The original plan to built a new building on this place was dropped because it´s not luctrativ enough for the involved builder [...]"

 

That is what I call disrespectful.

 

Wanna punch those type of guys.

Why? People don't work for free on something like a skyscraper. It would be nice to rebuild something there, but there's something counter-intuitive in building a new World Trade Centre and losing money in the process.

[Mr.Mister]

reading your comments on the other page typhus... what the f*ck are you even talking about? im so confused

 

I was in grade 3 at the time. I came into school late and they switched off cnn as soon as I sat down. I was mad because at first I thought it was a movie, then I realized it was real. Then I got mad because we werent missing class. didnt really know what was going on. a skyscraper on fire wasnt a big deal to me. I assumed that 30-50 people died at most. didnt know the towers would come down with people trapped inside

[Saggy]

9/11 showed me just how far certain left-wing elements were willing to go to destroy Western civilisation.

Which would be true, if most Islamic Jihadi organisations weren't closer to fascism. They may have been influenced by Soviet-era Communism, but they bear more resemblance to the actions of Hitler and Hirohito. The rest of your statement I agree with to a greater or lesser extent.

Very true. But here's my point.

The leftists are not really fascists. How can they be? By their very definition they believe in liberty. Yet when 3000 people were brutally murdered, some jumping out of a skyscraper in pure panic, they defended the killers and justified their actions. Instead of blaming al Queda, they turned their accusations and bile on their own government.

Now, I am not saying that being critical is a bad thing. Of course not. But these people who believe in liberty have made a concious effort to defend and endorse right-wing, homophobic, misogynistic mass murderers. They did it after 9/11, they did it in Iraq when people were getting their heads cut off, they're still doing it in Afghanistan and in any other conflict we get into.

They pick any side other than America. Hell, they would gladly pick open, shameless Soviet tyranny over Western democracy. And apparently they would rather endure an Islamic theocracy than labour under the horrors of a liberal American regime.

 

To be frank, I hate them more than the terrorists. The terrorists, baby-killers though they are, belive in something. What do their key defenders belive in? God? Nope. Their country? Nope. Only some tacky, Lennon-esque view of a utopia where we all get along and anyone who wants to give a sh*t about their religious views or their patriotic feelings are quietly shuffled aside for the greater good.

 

If they felt any horror at 9/11 it was always tempered by that pompous attitude of: 'Well, worse things are happening in Palestine every day and you don't cry for them!'

 

How long did they even keep up the pretense of national solidarity? How long did they even pretend to give a sh*t about the people who died? It probably dried up as soon as those poor, misunderstood freedom fighters in Afghanistan began defending their right to stone women to death and systematically murder homosexuals.

 

Jesus Christ man! Just look how they reacted when bin Laden got shot!

We should have taken him alive! Obama is a murderer! Obama is a murderer! What Obama did was TERRORISM!!!11!!

The fact that certain leftist elements criticised the bin Laden killing shows you whose side they were on and who they were rooting for. They are nothing but masochists. Praying feverently for the victory and betterment of those they should despise.

9/11 gave them what they always wanted, the chance to take cheap shots at America whenever they wanted to.

I don't know, I think I know what you're talking about... The people that went around talking about, "Well, that's what we get for being on their land for the past twenty years," and so on and so forth, almost like they were more sympathetic with the terrorists than the people who died in the attacks. I don't really remember the first time I encountered that but I didn't really think that much of it, because it's not really that new... People reacted much the same way to the Vietnam war and those soldiers. Not to draw a comparison, but it just seems like there's always that type of person that's just going to talk some sh*t like that so that they can be on the "other side". Haters gonna hate

 

 

The ones that concern me more are the ones like that Army psychologist that ran amok on his base and shot a bunch of people. I kind of water what the hell happened in those people's minds.

 

Does anyone remember when they first got into Afghanistan and they found that guy from the U.S. over there? They had a bunch of stories, and he was basically known as "The American Taliban"?

[Der_Don]

This day changed my life in parts, maybe only in thinking but something changed. Another big crack in my heart. I still have to cry about it cause it´s so unbelivable and cruel. Going to be a tough weekend.

 

I really don´t care who was involved to do this BUT it shows the dark side of us all. Everything is possible. Love each other AND yourself. Hating for whatever don´t pay at the end. No.

 

My deepest condolences for all those who were "really" involved in this dramatic day.

 

I still cannot believe it.

 

Have to go, eyes getting wet...

 

Seriously? I mean, yes it was a horrible day and all, but it's been 10 years now and I'm really not going to have a tough weekend because of this. Did you lose some relatives/friends on that day?

[ddyoung]

my grandma has the newspaper she bought at midnight on september 12. i cant believe its been 10 years already. i can still remember playing in school, and my mom having to drive from West Point to my school to pick me up. i think that day will stay with me forever, something i wont forget

[NaidRaida]

 

Why? People don't work for free on something like a skyscraper. It would be nice to rebuild something there, but there's something counter-intuitive in building a new World Trade Centre and losing money in the process.

I don´t ment doing something for free. I mean those that already have the pockets full of money so that they cannot even walk so full is the pocket. And THIS is the worng place to me to just hunt after the last cent. Generally, it´s not the best idea to me to build a new high building there.

 

 

Seriously? I mean, yes it was a horrible day and all, but it's been 10 years now and I'm really not going to have a tough weekend because of this. Did you lose some relatives/friends on that day?

No, I didn´t lost anyone. But watching pictures/reports or anything else (which is hard to miss right now) still getting me emotional. Could be exaggerated with my emotions but I have to live with them.

You´re right. Much time has passed but I´m glad that it comes up from time to time, especially now because media is full of it. Some things MUST BE remembered, this is beyond any discussion for me.

Even when I sometimes also say "Ah, not this story again", but this times are very less.

Edited September 9, 2011 by NaidRaida

[Node]

Just this morning i saw on the news for the first time, the building that has replaced the WTC's and i took one look and thought to myself, that is the sh*ttest most f*cked up building replacement ever, the could of atleast built 2 buildings. But i did see that the 2 massive squares where the WTC's were standing has been turned into like some awesome water feature.

[Fireman]

I laugh at these discussions.

 

"Those other people who died, died of natural causes and weren't American, 9/11 was so much more horrible than everything the world has ever seen!"

 

Yeah, I forgot that in the last few years more than ten thousands of people haven't died of wars and terrorism, but hey, that wasn't in America right, who cares? No need to remember those every year (which is understandable as you'd have a full year of remembrance days), they weren't in a tall building and all that.

 

Anyway, my attitude towards this subject probably is the reason why I can't even remember where I was when I saw the news, because I didn't really care, it was far away enough and well... sh*t happens.

 

God bless America, and no one else!

[sivispacem]

"Those other people who died, died of natural causes and weren't American, 9/11 was so much more horrible than everything the world has ever seen!"

 

Yeah, I forgot that in the last few years more than ten thousands of people haven't died of wars and terrorism, but hey, that wasn't in America right, who cares? No need to remember those every year (which is understandable as you'd have a full year of remembrance days), they weren't in a tall building and all that.

 

Anyway, my attitude towards this subject probably is the reason why I can't even remember where I was when I saw the news, because I didn't really care, it was far away enough and well... sh*t happens.

 

God bless America, and no one else!

Not to be rude, but you evidently have no idea what your talking about.

 

Please, go back to sticking your head in the sand and spamming up other topics that I don't read. You are a bad joke.

[AndrefromEstonia]

"Those other people who died, died of natural causes and weren't American, 9/11 was so much more horrible than everything the world has ever seen!"

 

Yeah, I forgot that in the last few years more than ten thousands of people haven't died of wars and terrorism, but hey, that wasn't in America right, who cares? No need to remember those every year (which is understandable as you'd have a full year of remembrance days), they weren't in a tall building and all that.

 

Anyway, my attitude towards this subject probably is the reason why I can't even remember where I was when I saw the news, because I didn't really care, it was far away enough and well... sh*t happens.

 

God bless America, and no one else!

Not to be rude, but you evidently have no idea what your talking about.

 

Please, go back to sticking your head in the sand and spamming up other topics that I don't read. You are a bad joke.

He is sort of right...but still, not a good attitude amongst the not americans who died in 9/11.

[NaidRaida]

@Fireman

 

It´s sad everytime someone dies. I really give a sh*t to the nationality. On this weekend I´m feeling American if you want.

 

Of course all this is blown up much by media. But America is a very medial and modern country. You have to deal with that.

This medial exaggeration is also a thing I dislike considering that much other stuff seem to doesn´t care media much. (I hear nothing from japan anymore...?).

 

I don´t think (I´m pretty sure) all of the dead were born Americans. Think about that too. I never considered this as pure attack on America, I consider this more as attack against the western lifestyle.

[Fireman]

 

Not to be rude, but you evidently have no idea what your talking about.

I was simply replying to the "other people who die aren't as important as people who died during 9/11" discussion on the other page.

 

 

I do think it's horrible what happened on 9/11, but it's just as horrible as other things that happen every day that people pay no attention to at all.

 

You understand what I mean, right?

[NaidRaida]

 

I do think it's horrible what happened on 9/11, but it's just as horrible as other things that happen every day that people pay no attention to at all.

Two four hundred meters building totally collapsed while on business in the middle of a big town... this and "everyday" in one sentence doesn't fit.

This is ontop of "human-self-created-drama". With what you want to compare it with everyday stuff?

Edited September 9, 2011 by NaidRaida

[sivispacem]

 

Not to be rude, but you evidently have no idea what your talking about.

I was simply replying to the "other people who die aren't as important as people who died during 9/11" discussion on the other page.

 

 

I do think it's horrible what happened on 9/11, but it's just as horrible as other things that happen every day that people pay no attention to at all.

 

You understand what I mean, right?

I understand the basic principal of what your saying, but the way you are saying it is what is disagreeable. Natural disasters, human tragedies et cetera occur all the time, yes, your right in saying that. But a single incident of human aggression occurring in peacetime lasting less than two hours and taking the lives of nearly 3,000 people is most definitely something worthy of remembrance and discussion. I mean, it's still the largest terrorist attack in world history by a significant margin. The fact that people die all the time doesn't make it any less important.

[NaidRaida]

If I could express myself better, call me sivispacem.

That´s what I would say too.

[Fireman]

I can slightly agree to what you're saying, but I don't get the way people make these distinctions that something that happens in a short period is soo much worse than something that has been going on for years, which claims equal or more victims an hour (I'm not talking about just natural causes, hunger, but also wars, terrorism and other forms of murder/manslaughter).

 

I mean if it goes on for longer, shouldn't it just be worse? I realize that the media plays a huge part in this and they need big news like this in a short period of time so they can get their view count up. But we're not the media, that's why I don't understand why people put so much weight on 9/11 compared to other topics.