Arsen Vitiuk Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The WTC wasn't in the final version - fact. OnePiece's screenshots prove there was the Fort Staunton construction site and that big building in Bedford point, but no trace of WTC - fact. Darkel's final mission 'Love Hurts', if at all existed, involved flying the plane into Donald's building, not the possible WTC - fact. The Housers planned to have WTC in the game - supposition, I will not believe there was to be a WTC until I hear this from their mouth myself. So why should we be having all this discussion about something that possibly has never even been planned, if not simply did not exist? Personally I think there was no WTC in the beta. Maybe planned originally, but not included even in the beta. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 The WTC wasn't in the final version - fact. OnePiece's screenshots prove there was the Fort Staunton construction site and that big building in Bedford point, but no trace of WTC - fact. Darkel's final mission 'Love Hurts', if at all existed, involved flying the plane into Donald's building, not the possible WTC - fact. The Housers planned to have WTC in the game - supposition, I will not believe there was to be a WTC until I hear this from their mouth myself. So why should we be having all this discussion about something that possibly has never even been planned, if not simply did not exist? Personally I think there was no WTC in the beta. Maybe planned originally, but not included even in the beta. Period. There was no WTC because the Jefferson Street Credit Union Building is Liberty City's version of the WTC, and the beta shots show it was always that way. It's the tallest building (taller than the real WTC in fact), it's kind of ugly, it's in the financial district, and it's at the southern end of the island. It's functionally equivalent to the WTC even though it's a different design. It's like other buildings that vaguely suggest a New York reference but don't match, because this Liberty City is not New York, just a generic East Coast city like Metropolis or Gotham City in comic books. So there never was twin towers, and they didn't have to change the JSCUB after 9/11 because it's different enough. I think the case is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Agree. The Union Bank is just a perfect replacement/equivalent/whatever for NYC's WTC. That settles it. +1 to Magic_Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Hello guys ! I wanted to tell you my theory about this. First of all, I don't know why you are looking for trails of the Trade in Liberty City, because it's still here ! One of you was talking about the WTC mod at the north of the Callahan Bridge. Well, don't install this mod and look at the original buildings. Isn't that a reference to the Trade ? Because all of the NYC landmarks in Liberty are only references. Look at Bedford Point, look at Belleville Park. None of the famous places is really explicit. And even if it's not, I don't think that the Trade would have a complete replica, with the whole complex. Because, before the 9/11, the Twin Towers weren't such important for the New Yorkers. That was more a touristic activity and the people in NYC thought that it was something ugly and too high for human. I can tell you, I live in NYC for ages. The Trade site adopted the importance it has today in the New Yorkers's heart only after its destruction. That's why I think that the complex's not so much remarquable in Liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) editing the part from the book, this is how it may of been, some areas in beta likes streets i took out may of been gone in the final and in the final it was all replaced by random new stuff. Look how it could of been: Also the subway near there its weird how its empty. Nobody walks through it. My theory is when the wtc site may of been in GTA 3 they also had the WTC underground mall and transportation hub. Maybe after 9/11 they quickly deleted everything in the spot and replaced things with new buildings, then they added a new subway there instead of the underground WTC mall and subway hub and when they did that they forgot to add ped spawn points. Edited November 11, 2011 by ccrogers15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAsHell856 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I remember reading back in the day, in Vice City you were able to fly planes, just like S.A.. but such 9/11 was still recently at the time they took that idea out... I read so much things they cut out 3 and V.C, which only will have made them game's alot BETTER! but sh*t happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 I remember reading back in the day, in Vice City you were able to fly planes, just like S.A.. but such 9/11 was still recently at the time they took that idea out... I read so much things they cut out 3 and V.C, which only will have made them game's alot BETTER! but sh*t happens you are able to fly planes in VC, and 3. Except gta 3`s dodo was purposely changed to be crap controls so we cant fly it. I flew it once for 2 hours and recorded it, i lost the vid though. It was on my old youtube that i deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAsHell856 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I mean more like S.A.. in vice city you can fly that one plane "the sea-plane", (not sure what else you will call it).. in S.A you fly a lot of planes and jets.. More freedom of planes is what I met to say... Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 editing the part from the book, this is how it may of been, some areas in beta likes streets i took out may of been gone in the final and in the final it was all replaced by random new stuff. Look how it could of been: Also the subway near there its weird how its empty. Nobody walks through it. My theory is when the wtc site may of been in GTA 3 they also had the WTC underground mall and transportation hub. Maybe after 9/11 they quickly deleted everything in the spot and replaced things with new buildings, then they added a new subway there instead of the underground WTC mall and subway hub and when they did that they forgot to add ped spawn points. Your interpretation of the Trade is completely upside-down you know. And even, the plaza was bigger than this. Staunton Island would have been a lot larger to get the WTC complex onto it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzbegone Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 editing the part from the book, this is how it may of been, some areas in beta likes streets i took out may of been gone in the final and in the final it was all replaced by random new stuff. Look how it could of been: http://i39.tinypic.com/a0vrk8.jpg Also the subway near there its weird how its empty. Nobody walks through it. My theory is when the wtc site may of been in GTA 3 they also had the WTC underground mall and transportation hub. Maybe after 9/11 they quickly deleted everything in the spot and replaced things with new buildings, then they added a new subway there instead of the underground WTC mall and subway hub and when they did that they forgot to add ped spawn points. Your interpretation of the Trade is completely upside-down you know. And even, the plaza was bigger than this. Staunton Island would have been a lot larger to get the WTC complex onto it. Hence those unexplained extra areas on Staunton Island at the North and South tips. North is most likely an airport but that can't just be all that's changed in the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Here's my interpretation of a possible parody of the Trade in Liberty City, according to this beta map. What do you think about that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Here's my interpretation of a possible parody of the Trade in Liberty City, according to this beta map. What do you think about that ? i think your right. Because in the final this tower is there: Those new twins dubbed the "lips 106 towers" might be homage to the wtc. Never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Here's my interpretation of a possible parody of the Trade in Liberty City, according to this beta map. What do you think about that ? i think your right. Because in the final this tower is there: Those new twins dubbed the "lips 106 towers" might be homage to the wtc. Never know. Yes, that's actually what I said on the previous page. If there is a World Trade Center in Liberty, it's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatstupidbug Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 i don't know if this was posted before, but it is a beta trailer (from germany) with blue police cars, and i can't see a "WTC" in the background... if you can see it, it will be a great discovery (i'm serious) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Because that's the latest beta from 2001. Buildings were almost done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Girls Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Why exactly did they get rid of the NYPD blue style police cars? I know it was a post 9/11 change, but what does the colour of the police car have to do anything? I always thought they'd have looked much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 To help disassociate the game from real-life NYC? Regardless, a song in the soundtrack already does that..."Joyride" mentions NYPD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 i don't know if this was posted before, but it is a beta trailer (from germany) with blue police cars, and i can't see a "WTC" in the background... if you can see it, it will be a great discovery (i'm serious) in beta the draw distance was lower. The WTC was either near the love media building where the dock that looks at shoreside is thats broken, or the spot at the end of the bridge where 2 twins are. Possibly those towers where homage to the twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 To help disassociate the game from real-life NYC? Regardless, a song in the soundtrack already does that..."Joyride" mentions NYPD. You're right. In GTA San Andreas, Liberty City is cleary defined as an independant city. On K-JAH West, we can hear the DJs talking about NYC and Liberty City, prooving that they are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 in beta the draw distance was lower. The WTC was either near the love media building where the dock that looks at shoreside is thats broken, or the spot at the end of the bridge where 2 twins are. Possibly those towers where homage to the twins. There was no WTC - It's just similar building created by Rockstar - but not WTC Stop bullsh*ting about this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jassygirl Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 i know im new but you dont gotta be mean to people mr post above me! I agree, i dont think there was a wtc in gta3. I mean cause i read gta3 liberty city was not meant to parody new york anyways but usa in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 "mr post above me!" Great, mr post above me :* "I agree, i dont think there was a wtc in gta3. I mean cause i read gta3 liberty city was not meant to parody new york anyways but usa in general." That's right, but as I said before - there is building similar to WTC, but there is no WTC as ccrogers15 said Building I'm talking about is in Lazlow1 post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 That's right, but as I said before - there is building similar to WTC, but there is no WTC as ccrogers15 said Building I'm talking about is in Lazlow1 post I agree with you. I was thining that this discussion could an idea for a mod. What do you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 CCrogers has just started building this mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 CCrogers has just started building this mod Yeah I know. This mod : http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=18506 But I was thinking about recreating the whole complex, with an interior and everything. Just like the "World Trade Center IV" mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 CCrogers has just started building this mod Yeah I know. This mod : http://www.gtagarage.com/mods/show.php?id=18506 But I was thinking about recreating the whole complex, with an interior and everything. Just like the "World Trade Center IV" mod. ive run into a small difficulty though with it. I noticed that sometimes the game MIGHT crash when it tries to load it.It dont crash all the time, but sometimes. Its like a 10 percent chance of crashing. The tower is taller then the love media tower. So there must be a height limit or something. I need help i guess. What i might do is remove the lips towers and remake them from scratch then remake the buildings near them to be a cooler complex. ive actually had ideas of modeling and making this for GTA 3 or GTA SA:LC: ... So after planning, here is my final idea for the placement: Who wants to help make the mod? I would be a great improvement for GTA3 and look very cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireguy109 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 There's already a World Trade Center mod for GTA III on GTA Garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 There's already a World Trade Center mod for GTA III on GTA Garage. the old WTC and its not that good, it cant be seen from a distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlow1 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 There's already a World Trade Center mod for GTA III on GTA Garage. the old WTC and its not that good, it cant be seen from a distance. Yeah, that's a very great idea ! Maybe I can help with texturing. About the height of the buildings, I think it's because of the solid model. The Jefferson St. Credit Union Building (the highest of the game) has a solid model until a certain height, and the rest is only a texture. I think you sould do the same with the Trade. Another thing, you sould remove the aerial freeway, it'd be easier to place the buildings then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrogers15 Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 There's already a World Trade Center mod for GTA III on GTA Garage. the old WTC and its not that good, it cant be seen from a distance. Yeah, that's a very great idea ! Maybe I can help with texturing. About the height of the buildings, I think it's because of the solid model. The Jefferson St. Credit Union Building (the highest of the game) has a solid model until a certain height, and the rest is only a texture. I think you sould do the same with the Trade. Another thing, you sould remove the aerial freeway, it'd be easier to place the buildings then. is there a way to disable the traffic on certain streets so i can remove the freeway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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