GTA San Andreas Beta Discussion and Finds

[Mehaniq]

On 7/9/2021 at 7:46 PM, Mehaniq said:

Its good but its only ONE screenshot in whole internet with 2 points on radar

Sorry for wrong info. In present time i see many screenshots with 2 pointsa on radar in old San Andreas guide

[Guest]

On 7/15/2021 at 4:11 AM, Lioshenka said:

I thought I'd post this here. Could be completely unrelated, but could be somehow linked to a beta version of the mission where the containers were somehow involved.

 

 

I honestly think they did that for that mission only 

[BilinmeyenBey]

There is a website which created by Rockstar with url named: "GTASanAndreas.com" but because of Flash Website gone, Rockstar had to shutdown that site. So it teleports you to San Andreas page of RockstarGames.com

 

Which in this "GTASanAndreas.com" there is a few sound files and a beta map of San Fierro, maybe there is more but this is what I found:

 

 

If you guys wanna check out the website without the Flash problem, here is a recreation of it: https://classicgtasites.com/sanandreas/

[BilinmeyenBey]

Also I tested all Interactions:

 

 

[YtaloS]

BETA ''The Four Dragons'' Casino.

 

 

   

 

 

[Razor_Vermillion]

I found something inside the code of san andreas and it's odd.

Inside the data folder "carcols.dat" there a swatvan 1,1 which is the color white but the vehicle dff model is forced to be blue.

I'm guessing the swatvan was ment to be colorable at some point but scrapped it for obvious reasons.

[BennyGod]

On 7/28/2021 at 9:58 AM, BilinmeyenBey said:

There is a website which created by Rockstar with url named: "GTASanAndreas.com" but because of Flash Website gone, Rockstar had to shutdown that site. So it teleports you to San Andreas page of RockstarGames.com

 

Which in this "GTASanAndreas.com" there is a few sound files and a beta map of San Fierro, maybe there is more but this is what I found:

 

 

If you guys wanna check out the website without the Flash problem, here is a recreation of it: https://classicgtasites.com/sanandreas/

Why are there two locations named "Fallen Tree?" Neither even in the right location.

[GhettoJesus]

16 hours ago, BennyGod said:

Why are there two locations named "Fallen Tree?" Neither even in the right location.

Nice find, I never saw the one by the intersection. But the one in the north is actually the right location. That warehouse/factory is the real Fallen Tree.

Edited September 20, 2021 by GhettoJesus

[BennyGod]

1 hour ago, GhettoJesus said:

Nice find, I never saw the one by the intersection. But the one in the north is actually the right location. That warehouse/factory is the real Fallen Tree.

Oh yeah, duh. I made a theory thread that Fallen Tree was originally a lumber yard like the Panopticon. Wonder if this is linked to it at all.

[SinZer0s]

This is just a small detail that seems to go unnoticed most of the time because I've only seen people mention it like twice in my entire life. 

 

CJ's t-shirts were waaaaay longer, you can see here that they reach his hands while standing.

 

I'm too lazy to post the other image but the converse shoes were also bulkier looking.

 

I feel like these small details about customization are always overlooked in beta recreations (Although the t-shirts get a pass since I suppose it's easy to cause horrible clipping with a longer model)

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention that at least judging from the beta white tee, the tshirt collars were also supposed to go higher and tighter in the neck, obviously referencing proclub tshirts which are famous for their tight collars and are a classic among west coast gangbangers.

Edited September 23, 2021 by SinZer0s

[GhettoJesus]

On 9/23/2021 at 9:37 AM, SinZer0s said:

CJ's t-shirts were waaaaay longer, you can see here that they reach his hands while standing.

Every one of them? I checked the (presumed) equivalent of this t-shirt (the one you posted seems to be cut but a similar one is available in green in ProLaps). Looks the same length to me but you be the judge.

 

[SinZer0s]

1 hour ago, GhettoJesus said:

Every one of them? I checked the (presumed) equivalent of this t-shirt (the one you posted seems to be cut but a similar one is available in green in ProLaps). Looks the same length to me but you be the judge.

 

Not sure if every one of them since the amount of times CJ was shown wearing these t-shirts in pre-release screenshots and gameplay is almost null. So far I can confirm that binco's white t-shirt, suburban's bobo ape t-shirt and that other Suburban red t-shirt were supposed to be longer.

 

The t-shirt I posted wasn't cut, it's the bobo ape one from Suburban (short sleeve white t-shirt with red sleeves) but with a longer model, the one you posted however does seem to match the original length of the t-shirt model so clipping definitely wasn't the reason for the change (yours is a long sleeve tho).

 

Since you asked that first question I'll drop a little theory here: There's two tshirt.dffs inside player.img, thing is... it doesn't make any f*cking sense to have two copies of the same model assigned to different .txds when just one model could do the trick. tshirt.dff is assigned to most of the game's tshirts whereas tshirt2.dff is linked to only two or three t-shirts in the game. My theory? tshirt.dff was gonna be a model for "urban" type t-shirts and tshirt2.dff was gonna be the shorter one we have now.

Edited September 26, 2021 by SinZer0s

[GhettoJesus]

16 minutes ago, SinZer0s said:

The t-shirt I posted wasn't cut, it's the bobo ape one from Suburban (short sleeve white t-shirt with red sleeves) but with a longer model, the one you posted however does seem to match the original length of the t-shirt model so clipping definitely wasn't the reason for the change (yours is a long sleeve tho).

Ah my bad, I thought it was the baseball shirt from ProLaps since they look pretty similar from the back.

[H-G]

Interesting... SA features a set of five interior prop models called "gb_bedclothes#.dff" but one of them, "gb_bedclothes02", is not used anywhere despite being fully defined in the game:

 

 

Apparently, this is the only model out of all five models that features CJ's default Blue Jeans from the beginning of the game in the pile of clothes it depicts.
Looking at the model's (unused) texture, "gb_bedclothes02", found in "gb_bedroomclths01.txd", the jeans' texture seems to differ a lot from the one used for the actual clothing item.

 

 

Notice the texture's overall dark blue-ish tone, the plain/undetailed underwear part and the belt being dark-blue instead of brown.

 

Side-by-side texture comparison:

 

 

Side-by-side in-game comparison:

 

 

Conclusion: Judging by the texture having heavy similarities to the final Blue Jeans and it definitely doesn't look like the early BETA jeans, it must've been designed during the late BETA development phase.
R* must've redone and updated the clothing item's texture to the final one later on but probably forgot to update the jeans texture in "gb_bedroomclths01.txd". I've made a mod to restore it, by the way...

[BilinmeyenBey]

On 9/20/2021 at 4:08 AM, BennyGod said:

Why are there two locations named "Fallen Tree?" Neither even in the right location.

 

On 9/20/2021 at 8:40 PM, GhettoJesus said:

Nice find, I never saw the one by the intersection. But the one in the north is actually the right location. That warehouse/factory is the real Fallen Tree.

 

On 9/20/2021 at 10:33 PM, BennyGod said:

Oh yeah, duh. I made a theory thread that Fallen Tree was originally a lumber yard like the Panopticon. Wonder if this is linked to it at all.

Yeah. Nice find. I was not looking at it. By the way, please look at the video. Or the GTA Wiki page of this site. Because it contains a lot of LORE. There is about 15 munites long quoutes and voice lines. And such crimes that we can't do.

 

Also mentioned in this site that Ballas is a threat. But they say that Tenpenny is on the scene. So I recommend you all to check that site.

[YufflesGaming]

Rare appearance artwork for the first version of big smoke was found in video of gta series & videos.

 

Discord.

 

Img:

[nothasuke455]

2 hours ago, |Love| said:

Rare appearance artwork for the first version of big smoke was found in video of gta series & videos.

 

Discord.

 

Img:

this has nothing to do with beta expect the fact his shirt saying orange grove families while they are wearing means the group being called orange grove had nothing to do with the gang wearing orange

we never actually saw any gang member wearing orange in any beta screenshot which makes you wonder why they originally called them orange grove families

[BilinmeyenBey]

I posted the "GTA San Andreas Crime Report Website" thing here. I saw a "thing" in this website.

 

So in the final game the Doherty and Doherty Garage looks like this:

 

 

And in this site, the Doherty Garage is like this (the place is highlighted with blue)

 

 

So there was under construction buildings more than 2. And there is a some kind of line. Dunno why. What are your guys thoughs?

[BilinmeyenBey]

Additional Stuff:

 

In the GTA San Andreas PC Manual, there is a text that says. Player CAN enter Pleasure Dome IF player has proper clothes or suitable clothes for the place. And some ladyies. This can be a funny text that made for fun and does not needed. But it does look like this was a thing.

 

[YufflesGaming]

On 1/26/2019 at 2:12 PM, Jacek_K said:

Now the interesting one. It seems that the destroyed building was different, with extended part going close to the road. And there is BETA picture to prove its existence 

 

Exactly one user posted about it.

In strategy guide this construction site is seen.

[DeeJayRaccoon]

21 hours ago, BilinmeyenBey said:

I posted the "GTA San Andreas Crime Report Website" thing here. I saw a "thing" in this website.

 

So in the final game the Doherty and Doherty Garage looks like this:

 

 

And in this site, the Doherty Garage is like this (the place is highlighted with blue)

 

 

So there was under construction buildings more than 2. And there is a some kind of line. Dunno why. What are your guys thoughs?

The collapsed building to the north is the same collapsed freeway that is now near the SFPD HQ.

[universetwisters]

On 10/9/2021 at 3:15 PM, nothasuke455 said:

this has nothing to do with beta expect the fact his shirt saying orange grove families while they are wearing means the group being called orange grove had nothing to do with the gang wearing orange

we never actually saw any gang member wearing orange in any beta screenshot which makes you wonder why they originally called them orange grove families

Bruh the portion of artwork with big smoke was literally unseen until now lmao

[nothasuke455]

19 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

Bruh the portion of artwork with big smoke was literally unseen until now lmao

no sh*t and ?

[universetwisters]

14 minutes ago, nothasuke455 said:

no sh*t and ?

 

You literally said

 

On 10/9/2021 at 3:15 PM, nothasuke455 said:

this has nothing to do with beta

 

[nothasuke455]

because it does not

6 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

You literally said

 

 

 

[universetwisters]

11 minutes ago, nothasuke455 said:

because it does not

 

I mean it's a pretty early design of big smoke lol

[Wakka387]

On 3/26/2021 at 2:54 AM, Rhoda said:

I'm looking at the size of the island intended to be Alcatraz and now that I think about it, it would've looked strange sat so close to land, with or without Bayside.

 

On 3/26/2021 at 5:22 AM, BennyGod said:

Even so, I want my grassy island.

It could have been Yerba Buena Island

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_Buena_Island

[YufflesGaming]

two different billboards and a beta ped with animation walking like an old man.

 

[nothasuke455]

13 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

I mean it's a pretty early design of big smoke lol

but it has nothing to do with the beta version of the game 

[universetwisters]

58 minutes ago, nothasuke455 said:

but it has nothing to do with the beta version of the game 

I mean it clearly shows off that beta design of big smoke without his hat but ok lol