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SANAN7

BETA San Andreas FINDS

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Curtis

This is the Appreciation Thread for a vehicle that should've had an appreciation thread all along.

The glorious RC Cam.

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So yeah, RC Cam.

If you don't know it, you don't know much. This vehicle is THE vehicle of choice for the majority of GTA SA players. To be honest rockstar made a mistake not letting this baby into the normal version of SA (without having to use trainers to spawn it)

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Lazarevic

First of all, i'm sorry for posting this topic, i know that there are tons of topics like this. nvm. I found some good screens from early version of the game in gta_int.img file.. Screens are on magazines.

 

 

First screen isn't interesting.. It's simple screen from the game, but with exactly same timecyc like in Vice City.

 

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On second screen, there's an unseen interior of some restaurant(?). And little bit upper, instead of Los Santos it's LAS Santos ?? Maybe typing error ? Or Los Santos beta name ?

 

 

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On third screen there's 3 screenshots from the game. It's Las Venturas , but nvm. Look at the hud.. Hud was a bit weird... Looks like Wanted Level stars were always showed (like in Vice City), and look color of the money, it's more like cyan, or i'm blind ? And looks like the health bar was different shaped. More like rounded square ?

 

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Finds aren't interesting.. I know... RIP English.. i know.. But nvm. Here you go.. I hope i found something new.

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GTA_dog

First of all, i'm sorry for posting this topic, i know that there are tons of topics like this. nvm. I found some good screens from early version of the game in gta_int.img file.. Screens are on magazines.

 

 

First screen isn't interesting.. It's simple screen from the game, but with exactly same timecyc like in Vice City.

 

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On second screen, there's an unseen interior of some restaurant(?). And little bit upper, instead of Los Santos it's LAS Santos ?? Maybe typing error ? Or Los Santos beta name ?

 

 

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On third screen there's 3 screenshots from the game. It's Las Venturas , but nvm. Look at the hud.. Hud was a bit weird... Looks like Wanted Level stars were always showed (like in Vice City), and look color of the money, it's more like cyan, or i'm blind ? And looks like the health bar was different shaped. More like rounded square ?

 

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Finds aren't interesting.. I know... RIP English.. i know.. But nvm. Here you go.. I hope i found something new.

perhaps it's just me, but these images require a telescope to view them.

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lil weasel

perhaps it's just me, but these images require a telescope to view them.

Two methods you might use.

1. Click on the image.

2. Hold [CTRL} and roll the mouse wheel.

3. Combination of 1 & 2.

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Sweet Bellic

Nice find btw it´s sad that these songs got cut.

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Nico

One of K-DST's radio bumpers features a part of a cut song, don't remember which one right now.

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Brooklynzsmac

I'll just leave it here.

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Fooking Rekt

I'll just leave it here.

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How is this beta?

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Veroder

I guess because some of the lines weren't used, like 'How. How'd she die?'

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Brooklynzsmac

I guess because some of the lines weren't used, like 'How. How'd she die?'

You're right, there are many unused lines, such as "I didn't tell you to face me, boy", or already mentioned "How. How'd she die?"

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Brooklynzsmac

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This is VWFYCRP, which decrypts as Vegas, White, Female, Young, Croupier. This ped is croupier, working at casinos in Las Venturas. There is unused ped ingame with very similar ID, WFYCRP:

 

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As you see, she has been dropped very early, since her texture is very cartoonish.Her ID isn't listed anywhere in peds.ide, or pedgrp.dat Lack of letter V (Vegas} or S (San Francisco) in front of her ID - WFYCRP - means, that she was meant to appear in Los Santos, which is odd, since there are no casinos in LS. Anyway, her appearance is very similar to another ped, WMYVA, which decrypts as White, Male, Young, Valet:

 

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Conclusion - Rockstar was planning to add casinos to LS, or alternative female croupier (since there is male croupier ingame), or female valet, according to this ped appearance. At last, they dropped her completely.

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Brooklynzsmac

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Looks like they cut something from every mission. I dunno if voice files are still there.

 

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Actual Fish in a Barrel mission.

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Lordani66

EDIT: << New topic merged into existing topic of beta finds >>

 

I have watched this one video of recereating San Andreas first mission in GTA V (

) and what struck me, at 7:28 Big Smoke says this:

"Man you gotta lose some of that Liberty City anxiety, Playa." before saying "Just drop in. We all hangin' out."

I have never seen or heard that first line EVER said by him anywhere in the game, especially in that moment (after escaping from ballas). Then I dug up some more and found THIS VIDEO and here he says this sentence too, only AFTER saying "Just drop in" part. And this is not GTA V, but a modded San Andreas. So I dug into this even more and found THIS SITE and IDK what that really is (like a blog or something?), but it has "subtitles" below the video (which is unortunately taken down now) and these subtitles clearly differ from the game that I have played, I will put them here and mark those altered/new sentences:

 

(I put it in spoilers because it's a long quote, you don't have to read everything to get what I want to say, just read bold, red sentences.)

 

 

After five years on the east coast, it was time to go home. ‘sup? Carl, it’s sweet. Whassup, sweet, what you want? It’s moms. . . She’s dead, bro. How? How’d she die? Not now. You coming home? Yeah, yeah, i am. Passenger. Show us your hands. Reach out of the car and unlock your door. Get out of the car. Walk towards us with your hands behind your head. I didn’t tell you to face me, boy. Back towards my voice. Welcome home, Carl. Glad to be back? This is drug money. You haven’t forgotten about us, have you boy? Hey don’t worry about it, i’ll fill it out later. Hell no, officer tenpenny. I was just wondering what took y’all so long. Well, you know, inside the airport, that’s federal. That’s not our gig. Get in the car. Get outta here, you greaseball bastard! How you been, carl? How’s your wonderful family? I’m here to bury my moms. You know that. Yeah, i guess i do. Nothing. I live in liberty city now. I’m clean. Legit. No, you ain’t never been clean, carl. Well, what’ve we got here? This is a weapon, officer pulaski, that was used to gun down a police officer not ten minutes ago. Officer pendelbury. A fine man, i might add. You know i just got off the plane! You work fast, nigga. It’s a good thing we found you and retrieved the murder weapon. That ain’t my gun. Don’t bulls*it me, carl. Yeah, don’t bulls*it him, carl. What the f*ck you want from me this time? Don’t curse, carl, you motherf*cking piece of s*it gang-banging cocksucker. When we want you, we’ll find you. In the meantime, try not to gun down any more officers of the law. Carl, we’re just here to protect and serve. You can’t leave me here – it’s ballas country. I thought you said you was innocent, carl? That you don’t bang? This is car 58. . . What? ! Officer pendelbury’s down? We’ll be right over. See you around like a doughnut, carl. . . See, hernande, that is how an experienced officer deals with a known threat. Stop it! What are you doing? Carl, brian, stop it! Quit it! Moms will hear! Mom! They’re up to something! Brian! Carl! Quit fighting, and go wash your hands! You picked the wrong house, fool! Big smoke! It’s me, carl! Chill, chill! Cj, my dog! Whassup? Hey baby, you okay, man? No, man, it’s my moms, homie. . . Hey, i don’t know why this had to happen, but i promise you, i’m going to find out who killed your moms! The streets is cold, dog. Like it says in the book, we are blessed and cursed. What f*cking book? Same things make us laugh, make us cry. But right now, we gotta take care our business. Go see your brother at the cemetery. C’mon, let’s bounce. Hey, what’s up, y’all? Look who i found hanging around. I can’t believe she’s gone, man. That’s another funeral you ran away from, fool. Just like brian’s. Hey, she was my momma too. Not for the past 5 years she wasn’t, nigga. And where the f*ck you think you’re going? What? Get out of my face. I’m going to see cesar. The hell you are, girl! You ain’t messing with them eses, you know we beefing – look, i love him! And what the f*ck are you? At least i got principles. Oh, and i guess that makes you an upstanding american. Carl, tell him! Carl, tell him! – carl don’t tell me s*it, bitch. N- as long as he treats her right. As long as he treats her right. Disrespect you, and he’s dead. How the hell you gonna say that? Like it’s any business of yours. f*ck you, sweet. This s*it’s real f*cked up. Everything! What you mean? What, apart from your mother being dead? Things are going real bad. Here, let me show you, running man. Tony’s buried over there. Little devil over there, big devil over there. Man, it’s just cray – everybody blasts on fools first then asks questions second. You know me. It’s not cut. Keep the value in it. Keep it real. You want to drive? Yeah, that’s cool. You still like cars? Always love cars, man. I thought they didn’t respect cars in liberty. What you ride out there? Subway. Ha, ha ha. That’s my brother. Here we are. Ballas! Drive by! Incoming! Awww, motherf*cker, my car! ! We gotta get back to the hood, man, it’s too cray round here! Too cray round here. I thought this was families turf? Yeah, it’s temple drive families – we don’t roll with them no more. No s*it, things have changed. How we getting home? Grab a bike and pedal. Even you ain’t forgotten that. Follow my lead! Takes you back some, huh, cj? Yeah! Cj, watch your back ’round here, man. Things has changed round here! How’d it get so bad? Hey sweet, try to keep up! Straight back into the game, right dog? Was it this bad before you left? East coast got you all thinned out, home. You’re just a liability, cj! Oh, you ain’t ran out yet, huh, cj? Why’d you bother coming back? s*it! A ballas car is onto us! Split up! Damn, ballas is chasing us down! Ballas! Everybody break! Get up, cj, pedal! Move it, cj, not far to the grove! You ok, cj? Hey, hey, carl’s down! Oh man, that s*it looked like it hurt, homie! Get back on your bike, playa! Ha ha! This fool took a fall! He can’t even ride a bike! Cj, you cycle like a crack ho, fool! Move it, cj, move it! Keep up, cj! C’mon, cj. Pedal like a motherf*cker! C’mon man, you gotta keep up! Keep up, cj! Don’t lose us, cj! What’s the matter, fool? You tired? Move it, cj – you’re embarrassing us, nigga! Keep up, motherf*cker! Hey, look at cj go! Hey, cj, wait for us, man! Cj, you running like a bitch, man! Carl’s showing us how it’s really done. Skinny fool’s flying ahead on his own. Cj’s doing his thing top speed, dog! Typical, cj! Leaving the homies behind, huh? Hey wait for the homies, fool! Figures, moving fast as a motherf*cker, you busta! So when you leaving, carl? I ain’t sure. Thought i might stay. Things is f*cked up. Well, the last thing we need is your help. Aw man, i won’t let you down, i swear. I got left behind! Y’all motherf*ckers left me behind! Yo, east coast sure put some legs on you, boy! Hey, we’re gonna call up some hood rats and chill the hell out. You want some? I gotta whole lot going on, and i’m tired. I’ll catch y’all later. Hey yo, just drop in. We all hangin’ out. Man, you gotta lose some of the liberty city anxiety, playa! Yeah, and get yourself some colors, fool. And a haircut – it’s embarrassing to be seen with you!

 

 

Now, what the hell is this all about? I doubt these subtitles are "fake" or "fabricated" because this guy put the sentence I was talking about (LC anxiety) in it, so he knew something else? Did he have like a beta version or something? What is this all about? Some of the marked sentences may only appear if you fall down with CJ on a bike, or don't keep up with your pals, I never got them but maybe that's what you have to do. Also - at first I thought that the Tenpenny / CJ bit was a mix of two scenes - 1st when carl gets into their car and 2nd when they drive him to ballas' turf, but it seems that at first it was one, single scene which actually makes sense (the taxi was stopped near ballas turf). Also - in the recreation of this mission video of GTA 5 (the one I put here), they showed this scene exactly like everything is happening in one scene, if you catch my drift. So what is this all about? Some early versions of the game? Secret scenes/lines?

Edit: Now I noticed that in the recreation (GTA 5) video I put here, the quote from this guy's "subtitles" page is really there.

is the part of that video and I'm talking about and the sentence is:

"See, hernande, that is how an experienced officer deals with a known threat."
So how did the guy doing this video knew about it? I feel kinda strange and dizzy now, like I came from another dimension o.O

Edit 2: Even the bit after ballas do drive-by at sementery is different, they don't get bikes instantly, they run quite long to get them, they chit chat before they get to those bikes (which is all completely different to what is in game) and there are also a couple of quotes that I never heard in game but that are in the "subtitles" above (like "How we getting home?").

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Brooklynzsmac

Did you even see my last posts in this thread? All these lines you mentioned are ingame, not sure about every recorded. Just hidden and unused, that's all.

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SMACKED!

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This skin was originally going to appear in the streets as a mafia member (Sindacco/Forelli mafia), but it was "removed" and it doesn't make any apparition, you can still use it through a mod or something.

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Brooklynzsmac

GpIPofo.png

 

This skin was originally going to appear in the streets as a mafia member (Sindacco/Forelli mafia), but it was "removed" and it doesn't make any apparition, you can still use it through a mod or something.

Actually, he's from russian mafia.

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Lordani66

Did you even see my last posts in this thread? All these lines you mentioned are ingame, not sure about every recorded. Just hidden and unused, that's all.

I didn't even knew about this thread. I posted this post in a new thread in main San Andreas forum and mod put it HERE.

 

And even though you did mention something like that, I actualy brought some new info to this topic (like actual recordings and some more quotes than you) so it's all fair I think (except for the fact that my post still sounds like it was just uncovered, but it's because that was a totally new thread as I mentioned above). Still... unused or not, they were recorded which means they were meant to be used (and IDK how did those people got those lines), so the beginning was a little bit different.

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Brooklynzsmac

 

Did you even see my last posts in this thread? All these lines you mentioned are ingame, not sure about every recorded. Just hidden and unused, that's all.

I didn't even knew about this thread. I posted this post in a new thread in main San Andreas forum and mod put it HERE.

 

And even though you did mention something like that, I actualy brought some new info to this topic (like actual recordings and some more quotes than you) so it's all fair I think (except for the fact that my post still sounds like it was just uncovered, but it's because that was a totally new thread as I mentioned above). Still... unused or not, they were recorded which means they were meant to be used (and IDK how did those people got those lines), so the beginning was a little bit different.

 

Oh, okay, I didn't knew that you made new topic. Not every lines that you mentioned were recorded, because their audios don't exist in files. The one who did this site, that you mentioned, I mean: https://fantasticsiur.wordpress.com/2014/07/15/gta-san-andreas-mission-1/, probably took them from american.gxt. Though lines "You gotta lose some of that Liberty anxiety" or "No sh*t! How we gettin' home?" and characters mentioning falling CJ from bike or getting too ahead exist recorded in game files, they were used by DeeZire in his TTDISA mod. Author of this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaD0RGY_I-c&feature=youtu.be&t=651 even mentions it in description. Link to modification, if you're curious: http://gtaforums.com/topic/302908-betawip-things-to-do-in-san-andreas/

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Lordani66

 

 

Did you even see my last posts in this thread? All these lines you mentioned are ingame, not sure about every recorded. Just hidden and unused, that's all.

I didn't even knew about this thread. I posted this post in a new thread in main San Andreas forum and mod put it HERE.

 

And even though you did mention something like that, I actualy brought some new info to this topic (like actual recordings and some more quotes than you) so it's all fair I think (except for the fact that my post still sounds like it was just uncovered, but it's because that was a totally new thread as I mentioned above). Still... unused or not, they were recorded which means they were meant to be used (and IDK how did those people got those lines), so the beginning was a little bit different.

 

Oh, okay, I didn't knew that you made new topic. Not every lines that you mentioned were recorded, because their audios don't exist in files. The one who did this site, that you mentioned, I mean: https://fantasticsiur.wordpress.com/2014/07/15/gta-san-andreas-mission-1/, probably took them from american.gxt. Though lines "You gotta lose some of that Liberty anxiety" or "No sh*t! How we gettin' home?" and characters mentioning falling CJ from bike or getting too ahead exist recorded in game files, they were used by DeeZire in his TTDISA mod. Author of this film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaD0RGY_I-c&feature=youtu.be&t=651 even mentions it in description. Link to modification, if you're curious: http://gtaforums.com/topic/302908-betawip-things-to-do-in-san-andreas/

 

Nice, thanks, good to know that. I wonder why some lines were cut and it really seems like the mission was a little different - like you had to run to get your bicycle first, which I guess the guy recreating introduction in GTA 5 (which i linked to) knew about, and he did it that way, that it was originally supposed to be (because I recon 99,9999% of SA players remeber the introduction a little different, like it was in game).

 

I guess we will find more things about SA even 10 years ahead from today :D. I wonder if there were other missions altered like that (not talking about knows alterations like Doberman). And I just noticed you are Polish. Me too.

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Brooklynzsmac

Good to know you are Polish too :D Yes, actually there are few more missions altered, for example player used helicopter in Photo Opportunity in beta. You was able to take photos from it, probably similar way to shooting M60 in Phnom Penh '86 in VC. There are even cut missions, Vadim M made video about them some time ago:

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Lordani66

Yes I knew about those for some time, but now I'm talking about those small changes that we just recently discovered, like you know, the extra few lines, the fact that you had to run first after Ballas did the drive-by on the cementary, etc. Maybe there are more of those, we'd have to look into american.gxt to see but that would take a lot of time :D. Anyways, let's not go off the topic too much. Just so that I add something to this topic with this post, I will say that one line of Tenpenny which was meant for the introduction, was actually used later, in last mission (I'm talking about "Don’t curse, carl, you motherf*cking piece of s*it gang-banging cocksucker." and it was shortened by "Don't curse", which in the new context was obcious). Maybe someone didn't know about that, and

. Edited by Lordani66

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Brooklynzsmac

Yeah, I noticed reusing this line too. I posted up here text from introduction to Badlands, the cutscene after Green Sabre, there were originally few more lines too, looks like Tenpenny was waking up Carl, and someone mentioned somebody's wife . In case if you overlooked it :p

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SMACKED!

Let's revive a two months old topic.

 

Here's something I found from the Strategy Guide:

 

In the End of the Line mission, you could pass it while on day and not necessary on night

 

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Remember that when you complete Home Coming and you take over Ganton from the Ballas you'll get the two zones coming from that neighborhood? Well, you'd just get Grove Street back. By the way, another evidence that you could put more than one Player Objective icon on the map. Also, the icon for the Caligula's Casino robbery was white and not green.

 

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The black drug dealer had a beta phase too, same as the white drug dealer, here's the evidence:

You can take a look at the beta MP5 icon.

 

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Brooklynzsmac

Looks like this dealer has head of deleted bmydrug without cap and glasses and recoloured shirt of somyst/bmobar. His trousers are mystery though.

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Inadequate

Also that loooooooong help text box instead of using controller icons (< and >).

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Rokas12

did any see graphis? it's really weard graphic...

or it's possible to create this graphic and make mod for pc?

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povke
It is possible that Loco Syndicate was supposed to be an unique gang but the purpose was abandoned during the game's very early development and the gang's place was taken over by San Fierro Rifa. It is believed that the gang was supposed to control Doherty and Battery Point, it's members were the crack manufacturers, who appear during Yay Ka-Boom-Boom and End of the Line missions, yet it is still unknown what vehicles they drove and what weapons they carried.


This idea is strengthened by the facts that there are two unused gangs, which one of them could possibly be Loco Syndicate, and the crack manufacturers are labeled as criminals in the game's files.


Here are some photos of them (made by me):




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BigHomie

On a few occasions, I read about the cut Drug Dealing Feature, but wasn't able to find more information on it. Do any of you know something about the feature? I'd love to know more about it

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