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A post by Warlord. in the Religious Beliefs topic got me thinking; if you were in charge of a country, how would you run it? I'm not asking what lavish bullsh*t you'd buy if you had embezzled cash from it (limitless money talk is for winning the lottery topics), I'm talking what system would you have in place?

 

Democratic? Capitalist? What political ideologies would you follow, and what would your policies be? If you want you can talk about how you would solve current issues in your own country.

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I'd probably run a sort of liberal country, a democracy too. I think I'd legalise certain drugs (marijuana to the level of things the Netherlands for example) and have a welfare system in place, akin to benefits in the UK. I'm not really sure whether immigration would be lax or tight, that's something I'm still 'mulling over'. Explaining something about the economy is a little too complex for me at the moment.

 

Okay fellas, shoot.

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A liberal pseudo-democracy concealing a technocratic, meritocratic, benevolent "father knows best" dictatorship- with world-beating freedom of speech, thought and expression, a very closed and hierarchical governmental system consisting not of career politicians but unelected specialists in their respective fields, disguised with clever mass-media manipulation and mild scaremongering to the point that not only does the entire population believe that they have elected the leadership, but an external observer would too. Essentially, a basis of political figure-heads who are democratically elected, and who are ostensibly in control of the country, but have little power outside being figure-heads representing their elements of community, and the real power resting with councils formed of experts in the respective fields that they represented. The entire system kept in check by a judiciary made up of a large number of randomly-selected citizens, who each serve set 5-year terms in such a way that terms overlap, whose only role is to act as an overseeing force to ensure that decisions are made with the will and best interests of society, with the special power to name, shame and discredit individuals who place personal gain (such as awarding contracts to an organisation for which they work). High-technology, relatively self-sufficient secondary industry as the backbone of the economy, with a medium-sized primary economy and a slightly larger tertiary one. Relatively small welfare state, with the majority of it being replaced by paid work programs in which unemployed but capable individuals are contracted for periods of time to work on projects (both private and public), allowing them to gain experience in multiple sectors and increasing the chances of them finding permanent employment.

 

Basically, Singapore with less emphasis on family dynasties and more individual competition.

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Jesus that sounds pretty effective, actually quite an ideal template.

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My state would be a utopia for the creative and forward thinking. There'd be heavily subsidised programs in all fields of advancement, both technological and conceptual. The aim would be to create a place where great people would come to further their cause and the human race as a whole. We'd run the place on a self-sufficient laissez-faire model. There would be no government intervention in the practices of those who were pursuing advancement. Scientists, artists, writers, philosophers and all those invited would be allowed to go about their work in an environment free of all ethical, moral, religious and governmental restrictions. All in the name of creativity and advancement.

 

Of course, this would all be possible only on the creation of a division between the creatives and the necessary labour force who keep the place running. It would be established early on by using tight restrictions on people who live here on leaving. The place would initially be advertised as the land of opportunity for all those who were unsatisfied with their current lives. Once they were all in they would be very hard pushed to find a way to leave, for them or their later offspring. How? I build the city underwater.

 

I cannot see how this could fail.

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Okay. Well, the question of how to run a country boils down to two big questions:

 

1. How do you keep the people content?

2. How do you handle diplomacy/war?

 

The answer is simple. I would preside over the worlds first Hedonistocratic government. People don't want morals, they want easy answers and constant sleaze. No age limits on the purchase of alcohol, the legalisation of prostitution, the open worship of Satan in schools and the promotion of selfishness, corruption and evil. See, I wouldn't need to stifle free speech. Because people would be so wrapped up in their own disgusting perversions that they would never be able to gather together to unseat the government. Why would they rebel against a leader who allowed them to indulge in every conceivable sin? Armies and secret police would be counter-productive. I'd always want to present myself as an innocent, enlightened man who followed a neo-liberal agenda.

 

My country would be the #1 haven for drug dealers and aim to export narcotics to every corner of the world. Using pinko leftist scumbag actors and celebrities to promote myself as a noble Anti-Capitalist, I would flood Africa with blood money, giving them clean drinking water and constant aid. Purely to present myself as a decent humanitarian.

Eventually I'd hope to dupe the world so thoroughly that I could get away with starting a war with the Vatican and becoming the new Pope, or Anti-Pope, I like the sound of that. And then I would own the souls of millions upon millions of Catholics and I could begin perverting them and twisting them for my own sick amusement. Eventually I would stage my own assassination and after three days of being thought dead would 'rise from the grave'.

I would declare myself the Antichrist, Masih ad-Dajjal and The Devil (complete with phony miracles concocted by the greatest Hollywood technical wizards money can buy.) and pay off the Israelites so I could build a temple in Jerusalem dedicated to myself. Then all I have to do is wait for the whole word to go batsh*t insane.

 

Normal war over land wouldn't interest me, I'd rather launch a spiritual war for the very soul of the world. Mainly because I'd want to see just how much sh*t I could get away with and also because it would be hilarious.

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@ Robinski - I see what you did there.

 

@ Typhus - Holy f*ck, you sound like some sadistic super villain, I think John Carpenter could make a film about that.

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Well...

 

Something aking to Swiss style of democracy. You have to be a real cynic to consider the general public too stupid to decide for themselves.

Besides, taking away power and choices from people only makes them more ignorant and ambivalent... they end up depending on someone elses decisions and then hating it.

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Pretty much like Denmark is being run. Except I'd abolish conscription, tax-aid for the royal family (I hate this sh*t), enforce separation between state & church, loosen the strict foreign policy and fight for multiculturalism.

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You have to be a real cynic to consider the general public too stupid to decide for themselves.

Call me a cynic, but it's not about being "too stupid to decide", it's about being too pig-headed and selfish to decide for the good of society, rather than themselves.

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A liberal pseudo-democracy concealing a technocratic, meritocratic, benevolent "father knows best" dictatorship- with world-beating freedom of speech, thought and expression, a very closed and hierarchical governmental system consisting not of career politicians but unelected specialists in their respective fields, disguised with clever mass-media manipulation and mild scaremongering to the point that not only does the entire population believe that they have elected the leadership, but an external observer would too. Essentially, a basis of political figure-heads who are democratically elected, and who are ostensibly in control of the country, but have little power outside being figure-heads representing their elements of community, and the real power resting with councils formed of experts in the respective fields that they represented. The entire system kept in check by a judiciary made up of a large number of randomly-selected citizens, who each serve set 5-year terms in such a way that terms overlap, whose only role is to act as an overseeing force to ensure that decisions are made with the will and best interests of society, with the special power to name, shame and discredit individuals who place personal gain (such as awarding contracts to an organisation for which they work). High-technology, relatively self-sufficient secondary industry as the backbone of the economy, with a medium-sized primary economy and a slightly larger tertiary one. Relatively small welfare state, with the majority of it being replaced by paid work programs in which unemployed but capable individuals are contracted for periods of time to work on projects (both private and public), allowing them to gain experience in multiple sectors and increasing the chances of them finding permanent employment.

 

Basically, Singapore with less emphasis on family dynasties and more individual competition.

Precisely this.

An amazingly well informed conceptualisation of the way governmental systems work, and I also completely agree with the intelligent system you put forward - I'd definately say that's by far the best for any country.

 

I really like the technocratic elements to it - if we were to have politicians in place of the specialists preciding over the different ministries - all we'll get is political spin and rhetoric to excuse their bad choices and blame opposition, as opposed to the specialist knowledge, professionalism and expertise required to run a country optimally.

 

 

Call me a cynic, but it's not about being "too stupid to decide", it's about being too pig-headed and selfish to decide for the good of society, rather than themselves.

 

Very true indeed. They are also way too easily fooled by sensationalist media, which is especially bad if its agenda is not for the best of the country.

 

@ Typhus: Lol, if you don't mind me saying this, it certainly sounds a bit crazy. Btw, Massieh al-Dajjal and the anti-Christ are the same thing - just the latter in a different language. In Arabic it actually translates to "The Deciever (Impersonator) Messiah" i.e. someone who comes pretending to be the Messiah, but is infact sent by Satan.

Unfortunately, if you claim yourself to be that, especially with great Special Effects and the mass-media to convince people - you'll get over half of humanity after you. So then, you probably face the constant threat of assassination and wont be able to do anything either.

The point you make about keeping the masses appeased with outright hedonism is very interesting, and also thought-provoking. I do wonder just how much hedonism is needed to keep the people most appeased, and when (if at all) will it start having the opposite effect.

 

 

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Nationalize: (For a Brave New World by 1994 in Utopia)

Banks.

Medical/chemists/healtcare.

All legal/prison services

Communications: Phone/Internet/News Media.

Transportation: all public transportation Otherwise Only motorcycles & bicycles (3 wheels or less) may be privately owned. .

Unified Police/Fire/Military. Five year Mandatory service for all citizens at 18 (No voting privilege unless service completed honorably.)

Licensed Non-Profit Religions. No Tax deductions.

Licensed Non-Profit Charity (No Tax deductions, so they will be real charity.)

Politician’s wages based on 80% of the average income of the people they represent, no special benefits. No Politician may serve consecutive terms.

General Education (reading/writing/general math/geography) from age 5. to include a taste of all above. (No computers used in basic education.)

Specialized Education to be arranged by the potential employer.

Otherwise pretty much as it is in the U.S.

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Social Democratic/Democratic Socialist Based Nation

 

Westminster Style Parliamentary System, only without the Senate; just the House of Commons

 

Head of State is purely symbolic; all power is vested in the people

 

Have only National Healthcare, Private Heath Care illegal

 

Have only National Banks, Private Banks Illegal

 

Have only National Auto Insurance, private Insurance illegal

 

National Education from Grades P-12, and for College/University

 

 

Only Private Citizens can Donate Money to Politicians (up to $1,000), if corporations donate, it's fraud, and the person that accepted the money is barred from running for office in the future.

 

Separation Between Church & State; Secular Government, no religious references allowed in official documents

 

Military is completely voluntary

 

In Order to go to War (unless in defense; i.e. hostile invasion) there must be a referendum

 

Tax the Highest 5% of earners 90% of their income after the $500,000 (to pay for social programs)

 

Besides that, just like Canada/UK

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How? I build the city underwater.

I knew this was going somewhere.

 

But I doubt ryan subsidized creativity. Seemed more like corporate heaven with little regulation.

 

anyway, don't mean to dickride, but sivispacem took my response

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I'd have a similar system to the UK, but stip back all the crap, make things a lot simpler. Ban religion but allow freedom of speech otherwise. I would also ditch ludicrous laws such as squatters rights etc. And I would make sure the people of my own country were taken care of before trying to intervene in other countries.

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And I would make sure the people of my own country were taken care of before trying to intervene in other countries.

Ouch.

 

Prepare for hellstorm.

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a judiciary made up of a large number of randomly-selected citizens

Lmao wait a sortitic judicary?

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a judiciary made up of a large number of randomly-selected citizens

Lmao wait a sortitic judicary?

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Fancy explaining in words that are, you know, actual worlds?

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And I would make sure the people of my own country were taken care of before trying to intervene in other countries.

Ouch.

 

Prepare for hellstorm.

He's got a f*cking hellstorm right chere:

 

Other countries and intervening in their affairs is ALWAYS done for YOUR countrys interests and the peoples interest as a whole.

 

Say Country A and B want to get on good terms with Country C (which has all the muffin producing machines).

 

Guess what, if you don't intervene/do something., country (c*ntRY IS MOAR LIEK IT AMIRITE) B will get the muffins at a cheaper cpst

 

 

 

Its a commentary on Americas addiction and necessity for oil from foreign nations when other forms might suffice if given the time and patience

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A liberal pseudo-democracy concealing a technocratic, meritocratic, benevolent "father knows best" dictatorship- with world-beating freedom of speech, thought and expression, a very closed and hierarchical governmental system consisting not of career politicians but unelected specialists in their respective fields, disguised with clever mass-media manipulation and mild scaremongering to the point that not only does the entire population believe that they have elected the leadership, but an external observer would too. Essentially, a basis of political figure-heads who are democratically elected, and who are ostensibly in control of the country, but have little power outside being figure-heads representing their elements of community, and the real power resting with councils formed of experts in the respective fields that they represented. The entire system kept in check by a judiciary made up of a large number of randomly-selected citizens, who each serve set 5-year terms in such a way that terms overlap, whose only role is to act as an overseeing force to ensure that decisions are made with the will and best interests of society, with the special power to name, shame and discredit individuals who place personal gain (such as awarding contracts to an organisation for which they work). High-technology, relatively self-sufficient secondary industry as the backbone of the economy, with a medium-sized primary economy and a slightly larger tertiary one. Relatively small welfare state, with the majority of it being replaced by paid work programs in which unemployed but capable individuals are contracted for periods of time to work on projects (both private and public), allowing them to gain experience in multiple sectors and increasing the chances of them finding permanent employment.

 

Basically, Singapore with less emphasis on family dynasties and more individual competition.

Wow, that works.

 

But honestly, intention of offending anyone right now, however I really like what Hitler did with Germany in the late 30's/40's. He inspired Nationalism, the country had an identity and to be honest, he was a great leader. Too bad he f*cked up.

 

I would definitely emphasize on the organization of the country and economic growth. Heavy investments in a ideological-liberal country, while having a conservative government. People would be allowed to speak out, yet harsh laws would make the citizens disciplined.

 

Presidents would be elected by the people and stay in 8 year terms. The executive branch would be the most powerful branch, however it could be toppled by the Judiciary and the Legislative put together. The Military would be controlled by the legislative and executive branches. In order to have any spending authorized for the Army, the executive would need to clear it through with Congress. When a bill is passed by Congress with over 90% approval, the leader will not be able to veto it in any ways. However, he/she may appeal to the Judiciary to veto the bill. I'm still trying to figure out possible laws to keep the Judiciary under control though. confused.gif

 

Have private companies run most of the country's resources, however make them be controlled by the government on a 51% basis.

 

Heavy investments in Health Care and Education.

 

Relatively high taxes, however they will show that they actually go somewhere.

 

Split about 60% of the government's money into all the municipal halls and have them decide the investments.

 

Have a Federal Bureau to investigate corruption and write reports on where the money is going.

 

I will add to this post whenever I am able to.

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This discussion reminds me of this "game" NationStates.

Anyone remember it?

Maybe we could make a GTAF challenge, start a group there, everyone makes their own nations, and we see how things turn out in a month, see which nation was the best based on which ideals tounge.gif

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This discussion reminds me of this "game" NationStates.

Anyone remember it?

Maybe we could make a GTAF challenge, start a group there, everyone makes their own nations, and we see how things turn out in a month, see which nation was the best based on which ideals  tounge.gif

That looks interesting. I'm in.

Im bad for names

Argfenstein

Pretty much Argentina + F + Wolfenstein.

 

The f makes it sound better. Me thinks.

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Settings > [name]'s Flag > "or create your own flag!"

 

I made it in paint.

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