Jump to content

African-______, Black or Negro


BondTrader

Recommended Posts

Well, this has been on my mind for quite a while. Which is the best way to describe someone who is African-______ (<-insert nationality here), Black or Negro.

 

Where I live (Brazil), the politically correct term is Negro. It is the racial term that describes someone of that race. Here, people get highly offended when called Black because it is seen as lack of respect. It is seen as they are nothing more than a "color", I personally don't like the term "African-______" simply because not all black people are African. They may have African roots but are not in fact African or their family may not be full African.

 

I prefer the term "Negro" because it describes the race in general. Although in such places as America people think that this term is disrespectful because Slaveowners used it when referring to their slaves. Sure it was disrespectful back then, but it is still the term for the race. However such words as "ni**er" are very derogatory because their root is actually from the slave-era in the US.

 

What do you think? Feel free to add any other words that may relate to the race. No flamming or racism please.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Like you said FGcarva, it really makes a difference where you are from, I don't care too much about hurting people's feeling, so I just call black people, black. Political correctness and the fear of upsetting people doesn't really matter much to me, not that I go out of my way to insult people.

7cg1vNw.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I just call them Black.

 

How it is, they call us white when some are more of a tanny caramel colour, not pure white.

To be honest I also dislike being called white. But whatever, it's not ever going to change.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Shayan Shaffey

I don't understand why Black people get more respect. On TV they call us "White-ass mofos" but if we say "ni**er" that person will get sued and fired and blacklisted, THIS is racism, not what we are doing. My point is=Black people are allowed to make fun of white people, but white people aren't allowed to.

user posted image
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't understand why Black people get more respect. On TV they call us "White-ass mofos" but if we say "ni**er" that person will get sued and fired and blacklisted, THIS is racism, not what we are doing. My point is=Black people are allowed to make fun of white people, but white people aren't allowed to.

Keep it on topic please.

Untitled-1.jpg
AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.7GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16

EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN CPU Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators
Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | ASUS RTX 4080 TUF @2970MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB
Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Personally I think that, as white people are called "White people", Black people should be called "Black people" simple. People have called me white/tanned/olive skinned and even brown before due to my mixed ancestry and what not, but I coudn't really give a damn, however we are all different and have our own personal opinions so everywhere you go, not everybody will agree that one way is more politcally correct than the other, but there are simple ways around these problems, just don't be offensive and if a person thinks your being offensive just apologize and say that it's not how you meant something to come across in that certain manner.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Black people are black, white people are white. If they don't like them to be called like that it's their problem. They are what they are.

If you are black, and don't like people calling you black then you are the racist one who has a problem with black people. Unless ofcourse, they say black in a disrespectfull way.

 

Im white, and you can call me white all you want. And If I were black, same thing would apply.

Yl8KS.jpg
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Honestly if you dont say ni**er to me im ok about it, i could care less if some one calls me black, african american, or negro(Sorta sensitive about negro tho,)

user posted image
Link to comment
Share on other sites

...I call them people.

 

 

Facetiousness aside, I think the only time race every comes up in conversation is when you're addressing it. So you're obviously comfortable with whoever it is, and you probably know what 'label' they prefer.

 

It's largely dependant on where you live, I'm sure, but like anything I'm sure it varies from person to person.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Is it weird that I dislike both the words "black" and "negro"? I guess they've been taken away and have been added into the "unnecessary wariness" list. I find myself thinking before I say "black", and that's wrong of me. I should be confident enough to know what to call a race of people without causing offense.

 

I'd never even heard of using "negro" as a collective, blanket term for addressing a race.

 

 

To be honest I also dislike being called white. But whatever, it's not ever going to change.

 

I'd hate to be called "pinky".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don´t like the german word "Colored" for black peeple cause if they were colored, then I´m also colored. I´m colored white, the other is colored black or brown.

 

Important is what he/she does and what comes out of the mouth. The words and acts don´t have a color. The color is only in the mind.

 

I really try to don´t give a f*ck about the skin color. Lookin at it from this point every word, even the N word becomes really unimportant to me, if historic aspects can be kept out.

 

I´ll just ask how someone would like to be called IRL. That´s the easiest and most honest way to me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well in the UK black is the correct term. It used to be coloured, but now it's black. My nanna who is 92 and from a different generation isn't the most PC person and says "blackies" which I'm constantly telling her not to, especially when it's in public and there are black people within earshot. I wouldn't say "coloured" is regarded as offensive, but it's not really correct either. Negro is pretty offensive though.

 

In the UK black is also sometimes used for people who aren't "african" looking. I've got an Iraqi friend and he and his friends (who are also Iraqi and some who are Kurdish) refer to themselves as being black. Racial/ethnic group categories often don't really represent very well what they are supposed to. People call Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi people in the UK "Asian" yet that term is incredibly broad and really could mean anything from Chinese or Japanese to Kazhak or Aghanistani. Likewise White is also incredibly broad. Some are defined very rigidly though like Japanese or Chinese for that matter. Interesting how we define different ethnic and racial groups, and in some cases even go as far as nationalities, yet in other instances we throw a blanket over entire races.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

OysterBarron

I dont make a big fuss about being called white caucasian so i dont see the problem as being described as black. if you really wanted to get politically correct would brown be more appropriate?

wtBEybp.png

gLs7a8h.png
MODQEwD.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

General Goose

In my experience, black is the most common term. I hear coloured sometimes, but rarely from my own generation (it doesn't seem to provoke a "that's racist" response from people though, but I know it irritates some people a bit.) I rarely hear African-whatever, with the exception of Afro-Caribbean which is quite common in formal or political contexts. Negro is perceived as either outdated or racist.

 

In short, depends on where you're from and who your present company is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1st gtaROCKER

I think Black and Negro are both correct. When Negro is pronounced as neg-row insted of nee-grow, it is the Spanish term for 'black'. It's just that the way we say it, and it's meaning, has slightly changed and it could offend some people.

In the UK, Black/Brown is the preferred term, but n!gger is sometimes used.

 

I know some older people that call them 'the coloured people', but aren't we all coloured?

 

 

*Official GTAFNS Forums Member*

.:See Official Topic for the Link:.

.:PM me for details:.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Doc Rikowski
...I call them people.

This.

 

It's funny how people need to identify other people by the color of their skin.

Looks like we're still stuck in useless categorizing.

What worries me though is that a lot of people in here still thinks that human beings are actually divided into races.

There's no such thing as a caucasian, african or asian race.

 

 

While biological scientists sometimes use the concept of race to make practical distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race is often used by the general public in a naive or simplistic way.

Among humans, race has no taxonomic significance; all people belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.

Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies that define essential types of individuals based on perceived sets of traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete, and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.

As people define and put about different conceptions of race, they actively create contrasting social realities through which racial categorization is achieved in varied ways. In this sense, races are said to be social constructs.

 

Basically human races do not exist hence no need to call people balck, white, yellow etc.

 

As a great man said we won't have peace nor real progress

"until the colour of a man's skin

Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The pure facts you´re quoting doesn´t help anyone cause "the people" will always think in categories. Ever. What you wish is somekind of "Star-Trek-We-Are-All-The-Same"-world. You will never get this.

I really would also like to have it, I bet it would be nice. But for such things mankind is just way to stupid to recognize the truth.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree wholeheartedly with Otter.

 

They're people, thy deserve equality. Hell, I'm white and you can call me a whitey or pinky or whatever, I am what I am. About the Negro thing, well it does actually mean 'black' in Spanish, I even have a darker-skinned toned friend whom we call Negro and he likes his nick name. It depends on the context and the way you say it, really.

 

Although in some cases I'd probably say that 'African-American' would be the most proper term.

 

@Shayanshaffey Black people are most definitely not respected the most, they've been discriminated for their race and skin color for so long that white people who care have taken action, and now they will think poorly of anyone who does discrimante them for that, although I agree with the fact that black people can be racist too and it's still not ok to call us 'White trash' as it is for us to call them 'ni**er.'




tumblr_mk683ddOTs1rkv9cvo1_250.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Doc Rikowski

 

The pure facts you´re quoting doesn´t help anyone cause "the people" will always think in categories. Ever. What you wish is somekind of "Star-Trek-We-Are-All-The-Same"-world. You will never get this.

I really would also like to have it, I bet it would be nice. But for such things mankind is just way to stupid to recognize the truth.

Ignoring facts is no excuse for the young generation. People who choose to be ignorant may think in categories, people with a decent culture and a bit of knowledge and common sense don't.

It amazes me that phrases like "It is the racial term that describes someone of that race." and "I prefer the term "Negro" because it describes the race in general." can still be read in 2011.

It's not the categorizing that shocks me, it's the fact that people actually believe that races do exist.

It's like thinking that the Earth is flat...

 

I've never had any problem to find a term to describe a person that has a color of skin different from mine.

First of all if I know this person I'll call him/her by name. No need to mention the color of the skin.

Secondly if someone asks me from where this person is from I'll use their nationality as a term.

Thirdly, if someone asks me a physical description then I'll talk about color... of his/her eyes, hair, skin... height, weight etc

 

The fact is that as soon as you categorize a person just as black, white, yellow, red etc you are making the first step into racism.

If you have to talk about your close friends to someone that doesn't personally know them, do you say Mark is white, Rob is yellow, John is black?

If yes, then you are already been "infected" by a prejudicial point of view that can be caused by your lack of culture, knowledge, perspective, independence from negative and pre-established concepts that a part of society decided for you to think.

 

I live in Lisbon, Portugal (I'm not Portuguese). Lisbon is a multi-cultural city. Portugal used to have colonies all over the planet. There are a lot of Portuguese that are of African or Asian descent. Some are immigrants, some are already third generation Portuguese.

The Portuguese word for black is "preto" and is considered highly offensive (I would never use it).

When you mention a Portuguese of African descent you either call him simply Portuguese or Luso-African.

If you are talking about an immigrant (which happen to have a darker color of skin, or not) you'll say Angolan, Cape-Verdean, Mozambican, Indian etc etc

Where's the need of using the term black? There isn't at all. The need to use it is in your mind, a mind that doesn't accept differences as part of the same thing.

I'm Italian. I could have black, white, yellow or red skin for what I know, cause nowadays Italians do not have all white skin.

If I talk about my closest Italian friend I won't say he's white just as I wouldn't say he's black.

As someone already said: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

[...] It's not the categorizing that shocks me, it's the fact that people actually believe that races do exist. [...]

Maybe you´re looking to it a bit too harsh. Maybe they just don´t differ between "descent" and "race" at all. You´re totally right, there´s only one human race and that´s the homo sapiens.

If you got a white horse and a black horse, it´s the same race, it´s a horse. Same as with the human. No discussion about that fact, I agree.

 

I think you´re implementing too much racialistic issues although the people where you try to implement that issues just don´t think that way.

They don´t even think about the facts you told. Race, descent... whatever...

They don´t THINK what they SAY, like it´s written somehwere in a script.

Real racism, or "separating people because of their skin color" is not a question of just the expression. It is deeply embedded in such peoples minds because of - to me unknown - reasons.

They maybe don´t think about wording like we here, they think about "the races and that stuff" which I never do even if I say someone is Black.

 

You´re Italian, I´m German. Whatever... Everybody gets my respect on spec until that spesific someone has prooven the opposite (which many will do).

A workmate of me is Italian, I call him dago. He call me nazi but we like each other and it´s just fun. I really enjoy beeing with different cultures, because... I don´t know, maybe just because I´m curious like a little dog.

Another workmate is Black. I don´t know anything about him but he seems to be funny. I like him on spec als everybody else.

Maybe I even like him more because I know about the history and the punishment those people got and still get. His skin color? A category?

I have two categories for humans: Assholes and... the other group has mostly no specific name. Skin color is not an attribute to put someone into one of those categories.

 

I think we´re heading the same way of thinking. We should talk about "thoughlessness of humans".

This is a thing that maybe miscategorized often as racism just because of using stupid expressions which are, like you told, factual not true. (this is ment retoric, of course we do not talk here about other things than the topic).

 

 

[...] If you have to talk about your close friends to someone that doesn't personally know them, do you say Mark is white, Rob is yellow, John is black? [...]

No. I would say "Mark is cool...", "Rob is ugly...", "John is whatever...". I would not put the skin color in the foreground because just like you said it.

A lot of people will focus on the skin color if they experienced something bad with a human from different descent although they are probably no real racists.

It´s just stated thoughtless often. Thoughtness is what makes me really really sad.

 

I remember a guy called Adriano, he was beaten to death here in Germany because he had black skin. There was made a rap song with major German rappers therefore and I´m still hearing it sometimes.

I hear it in the car, pretty loud, I want the people to hear clear words against racial thoughs. The song is called Adriano, there were also English text parts. RIP Adriano.

That´s much years ago, I still think about it. I have to think about it, I´m living in the homeland of the badest nazis. Thinking about it is I think absolutely necessary with my descent.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1st gtaROCKER

"When I'm born I'm black, when I grow up I'm black, when I'm in the sun I'm black, when I'm sick I'm black, when I die I'm black, and you... when you're born you're pink, when you grow up you're white, when you're cold you're blue, when you're sick you're green, when you die you're grey; and you dare call me colored?"

-Malcom X

 

 

 

 

 

*Official GTAFNS Forums Member*

.:See Official Topic for the Link:.

.:PM me for details:.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well...

 

I guess it depends on the region/culture.

 

Here, the more correct term used to be the equivalent of ni**er/negro (it seems to have carried over from russian culture). The term black would have a certain undertone in our language... its essentially the same as calling someone dirty or filthy. And it I think that has essentially led to some people using the word 'tar' derogatively.

 

However, recently, whether due to western cultural influence or some other factor, the term ni**er/negro has become derogative as well. 'Black' or 'dark-skinned' is starting to receive a more common use though.

 

African-... is just a stupid expression that noone bothers to use. Mainly because it sounds stupid and makes no sense at all because most black people in this region rarely have anything to do with africa anymore. I mean, if you can add the suffix 'american' then why bother with using the first part at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

It's funny how people need to identify other people by the color of their skin.

Looks like we're still stuck in useless categorizing.

What worries me though is that a lot of people in here still thinks that human beings are actually divided into races.

There's no such thing as a caucasian, african or asian race.

 

 

the human being is divided into races, the problem comes when someone think that one race is better than another, the principal diferences are physical, and is not just the skin color.

 

 

in my country the black race is a very low minority, they are very recent inmigrants, and is no problen with call them blacks because is what they are.

 

and i want to make clear that i hate discrimination, i love the human BEING.

 

Edited by FacuuDS
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Doc Rikowski
It's funny how people need to identify other people by the color of their skin.

Looks like we're still stuck in useless categorizing.

What worries me though is that a lot of people in here still thinks that human beings are actually divided into races.

There's no such thing as a caucasian, african or asian race.

 

 

the human being is divided into races, the problem comes when someone think that one race is better than another, the principal diferences are physical, and is not just the skin color.

 

 

in my country the black race is a very low minority, they are very recent inmigrants, and is no problen with call them blacks because is what they are.

 

and i want to make clear that i hate discrimination, i love the human BEING.

The human beings are not divided into races. You clearly have no clue about the subject.

 

---

 

Great post NaidRaida icon14.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

The human beings are not divided into races. You clearly have no clue about the subject.

the human being is divided into races, and its a fact. like the dogs are divided into races, or like the cows or sheeps.

 

my english sucks, but i will try to make me understand.

 

you think that a "German shepherd" and "labrador" are the same.. no, because they are diferent races, and the principal diference between this two races are physical.

 

and with the human being is the same, why do you think that black athletes are faster than whites or asian athletes? thats a muscular diference, and thats only an example.

 

i dont want to make a discussion, its what i think. and i dont care what the media or hollywood movies says

Edited by FacuuDS
Link to comment
Share on other sites

i dont want to make a discussion

Then, pray tell, what are you doing in the "debates and discussion" section of the forum?

Untitled-1.jpg
AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.7GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16

EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN CPU Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators
Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | ASUS RTX 4080 TUF @2970MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB
Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

i dont want to make a discussion

Then, pray tell, what are you doing in the "debates and discussion" section of the forum?

i wanted to give my opinion about "the only race is the human race"

this topic is about how to call a man of black race, no a topic to discuss if the human being is divided in races or not.

 

and really i dont want to discuss about that because it will be a useless waste of time, more for me, because this is not my native lenguage and because i already said what i had to say.

Edited by FacuuDS
Link to comment
Share on other sites

i dont want to make a discussion

Then, pray tell, what are you doing in the "debates and discussion" section of the forum?

i wanted to give my opinion about "the only race is the human race"

this topic is about how to call a man of black race, no a topic to discuss if the human being is divided in races or not.

 

and really i dont want to discuss about that because it will be a useless waste of time, more for me, because this is not my native lenguage and because i already said what i had to say.

The thing is, rikowski's correct. "Race" is a very fluid idea- it's hard to pidgeon-hole people without seeming like your prejudicial. Think of it this way- all humans are most likely descended from a very small gene pool, so we all share ancestry regardless of our creed. Basically, we're all just mongrels, and the idea of differing "races" is no different to dogs of the same breed possessing slightly different colourings and characteristics. At the end of the day, we're all 99.99% the same.

Untitled-1.jpg
AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.7GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16

EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN CPU Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators
Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | ASUS RTX 4080 TUF @2970MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB
Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • 1 User Currently Viewing
    0 members, 0 Anonymous, 1 Guest

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using GTAForums.com, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.