Thebosch11 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Will these specs work with Grand Theft Auto IV? Processor:AMD Phenom™ II dual-core mobile processor N620 RAM:4GB DDR3 memory Memory:500GB Serial ATA hard drive Graphics Card:ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 graphics Operating Sytem: Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverTheBelow Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 No. The HD 4250 is not powerful enough to run GTA4 smoothly, even on lowest settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebosch11 Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 What about a AMD Turion™ II processor P520 with a ATI Park XT ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 graphics card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverTheBelow Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 What about a AMD Turion™ II processor P520 with a ATI Park XT ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 graphics card? It will not run optimally. You'll barely get it to run smoothly on complete lowest settings. (in before Radioman posts his unclear benchmarks.. ugh) You're going to need to have a higher budget laptop if you expect to play this game decently. Or better yet, buy a desktop and easily get more performance for your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Like the user above said, a desktop is better. If a laptop is a absolute must, spend $350 on a ASUS EEE netbook and save up for a new desktop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebosch11 Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 Thanks and lastly what about a AMD Phenom™ II X6 processor 1065T and a ATI 6450 graphics card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 What about a AMD Turion™ II processor P520 with a ATI Park XT ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 graphics card? Not sure about the processor, but that video card will run the game just fine at the following settings: Video Mode: 1024x768 (60HZ)Aspect Ratio: Auto Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 50 Detail Distance: 50 Vehicle Density: 50 Shadow Density: 50 Auto Configure Benchmark Resource Usage: 218/496MB And get these results with IV and EFLC: 2011-07-23 23:31:33 - GTAIVFrames: 27970 - Time: 434509ms - Avg: 64.372 - Min: 22 - Max: 125 2011-07-10 03:15:37 - EFLCFrames: 7352 - Time: 100465ms - Avg: 73.180 - Min: 38 - Max: 91 Of coarse this is with an I5 processor that has Hyperthreading to give it Quad core performance(as indicated by the "4CPU's" under the DXDIAG screen)..: CPU Usage: 47%System memory usage: 52% Video memory usage: 51% Hardware Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Video Adapter: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 Video Driver version: 8.14.1.6091 Audio Adapter: Speakers and Headphones (IDT High Definition Audio CODEC) Intel® Core™ i5 CPU M 430 @ 2.27GHz Here's the rest of the settings to make the game run well on that card: This is from the "Graphics" tab in the in-game menu... Also, on the PC under the ATI control panal in the task bar(the area near the clock), I right-clicked on it, and under the third selection(it has 4 of them- 1 and 2 are Intel Graphics Media HD and 3 and 4 are ATI Radeon HD 5470), go down to 3-D settings, then over to Standard settings and set that to "Optimal Performance". The rest of the settings there are the default settings... This should help clear up some of the confusions about the HD5470.. So, OT-If you get at least an I5 processor on that PC, it will run quite well on that card.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Radioman, it's kinda obvious your lieing there; how in the f*cking hell do you wanna get a resource usage of 218 MB with sliders at 50/50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Radioman, it's kinda obvious your lieing there; how in the f*cking hell do you wanna get a resource usage of 218 MB with sliders at 50/50? You obviously have not checked the other topic, as I explained that I don't know how the game calculates that kind of stuff, as explained here: I don't know, but it seems like the ONLY settings that affect the Resource usage are the Video mode and Texture quality-as setting the Texture quality to Low(with the same Video mode, it says "210/496", but setting it to Medium, it goes to 218/496. The other settings on there does not change the Resource usage. I use Xliveless for both EFLC and IV, and for some reason the settings keep resetting each time I play-like if I play EFLC and change the settings there, then the next time I go to Play IV, the settings for that game are changed to the same as EFLC and vice versa...I mean, IV and EFLC are two seperate discs, so they should not really share the same settings should they? This is also on a game with NO patches for either IV nor EFLC...I installed the game back in April when I got this computer, and have not downloaded nor installed any of the official patches... This is were I replied to your doubt in the last topic..Just a friendly heads up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverTheBelow Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) What about a AMD Turion™ II processor P520 with a ATI Park XT ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 graphics card? Not sure about the processor, but that video card will run the game just fine at the following settings: Video Mode: 1024x768 (60HZ)Aspect Ratio: Auto Texture Quality: Medium Render Quality: High View Distance: 50 Detail Distance: 50 Vehicle Density: 50 Shadow Density: 50 Auto Configure Benchmark Resource Usage: 218/496MB This should help clear up some of the confusions about the HD5470.. So, OT-If you get at least an I5 processor on that PC, it will run quite well on that card.... That list of settings has been tampered with. Shadow density 50? Resource usage only at 218mb? I call bullsh*t. Post the correct settings & methodology or stop posting - full stop. The video below also burns your claims and results of it being a capable gaming card. Unpatched, lower settings, worse performance. -- OP, you can pretty much see here (and on many other youtube videos..) how bad the card is for this game, and that Radioman is spewing complete bullsh*t as per usual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zin_6pQjsdY Thanks and lastly what about a AMD Phenom™ II X6 processor 1065T and a ATI 6450 graphics card? Still no. Look for a graphics card with higher secondary numbers. e.g. a HD 6770 would be a good candidate. Edited August 11, 2011 by OverTheBelow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Guys! - Just wait a few seconds here and don't post. ok? I'll be right back ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) You obviously have not read my last post either? If you didn't please do so, as I explained that in more detail... As for performance, every computer runs games differently, depending on settings used, specs, drivers, etc...? As I said before, I am still learning the ins and outs of PC's, as I never had one until 2005, so, please have some patience and respect, ok? Also, @overthebelow, that video proves nothing, as at the 28second mark, it shows the author is using max. video mode and Medium settings-I am using a lower video mode, and LOW settings, not Medium..That texture quality in the quote was a typo, I was half asleep when I typed that original post in the other topic, as I work the night shift....So, please have a little more patience and respect-not everyone is as smart with computers as you are... Edited August 11, 2011 by radioman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 I know you're still learning, I'm too. I never knew anything about computers 1,5 years ago But Radioman (with all due respect) BUSTED See the settings and the usage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Sorry, I was wrong with the Resource usage, it was 224, not 218...as seen here: and the view distance was off, but as I said in my last post, I was half asleep when I typed that original quote in the last topic, as I work night shift, so typos are bound to happen when you're tired... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverTheBelow Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) You obviously have not read my last post either? If you didn't please do so, as I explained that in more detail... As for performance, every computer runs games differently, depending on settings used, specs, drivers, etc...? As I said before, I am still learning the ins and outs of PC's, as I never had one until 2005, so, please have some patience and respect, ok? Also, @overthebelow, that video proves nothing, as at the 28second mark, it shows the author is using max. video mode and Medium settings-I am using a lower video mode, and LOW settings, not Medium..That texture quality in the quote was a typo, I was half asleep when I typed that original post in the other topic, as I work the night shift....So, please have a little more patience and respect-not everyone is as smart with computers as you are... I have had patience and respect during the other handful times you have posted those exact same results, settings etc, and frankly I am a little sick of it. You're always going around trying to convince people that an office/htpc graphics chip is a capable gaming chip, but this is completely untrue. It's as if you're trying to make others buy into the same mistake that you did (so as to not feel bad about your purchase), its either that or you have extremely low standards for graphics/performance. I'm sorry for being rude but that is just the way I feel about this. Some of us are trying to help people in this section by giving proper advice on how to obtain smooth performance, and then you come in and start claiming that a dirt cheap, low-end graphics card can run GTA 4 on medium-high settings at an average of 60fps, and as a result the OP ends up purchasing it himself and thus is eventually disappointed with his new laptop/desktop (that does not deliver the performance YOU said it would provide). With all due respect, if you do not know much about computers then you should not be trying to give advice here. edit-- your latest post again, proves that your initial listing is fake. Draw distance is not at 50, render quality is not on high. These will make considerable impacts on VRAM usage Edited August 11, 2011 by OverTheBelow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry for being rude but that is just the way I feel about this. Some of us are trying to help people in this section by giving proper advice on how to obtain smooth performance, and then you come in and start claiming that a dirt cheap, low-end graphics card can run GTA 4 on medium-high settings at an average of 60fps, and as a result the OP ends up purchasing it himself and thus is eventually disappointed with his new laptop/desktop (that does not deliver the performance YOU said it would provide). I am trying to help people too, I try to do that by giving people "budget-friendly" alternatives, as I try to figure out what the least amount of money you have to spend is to get games to run optimally-and obviously, your definition of optimally and my definition of it are two different things? I use the "budget friendly" approach, as I know what it is like being dirt poor growing up, and how hard it is to be able to buy expensive things..not everyone is rich you know? As for the claim about the settings, there were a few typos, as I said, I work night shifts, and was half asleep when I typed the original posts/quotes in the other topics-BUT the benchmarks from Fraps are legit, as you cannot alter benchmarks(to my knowledge?) I learn by "Trial and Error", and as such if I happen to make a mistake and post something wrong, the polite thing to do would be to correct it, and give me a little friendly heads up as to why that information was not entirely true...that's not too hard now is it? Just curious. If you notice, that is why I usually put "Just curious" in my posts at times, as I am not entirely sure if that info is correct, and am looking for a clear heads up as to hey or ney on if I am right or wrong, so I know for next time... your latest post again, proves that your initial listing is fake As I said, I was half asleep when I posted the Original quotes, as I work night shifts, and I just did a copy/paste from that topic, so there are bound to be typos...Just a friendly heads up.. Edited August 11, 2011 by radioman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) Now you've done it Radioman; mkey82, yojo2 and OTB are all here But erm... A few typo's? -Forget what I typed here Edited August 11, 2011 by Exxon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Seriously, stop this crap. Low end cards are low end cards, do not ever recommend them for "serious" gaming to anyone. If you are pleased, that's just fine, but do not recommend them to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Haven't I said it Radioman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Now you've done it Radioman; mkey82, yojo2 and OTB are all here But erm... A few typo's? I don't know why the screenshots(yours and mine are so different, but I don't have setting options for some of the things in your screenshot.? Like the 3rd, 4th, and 5th thing I don't have settings for, and I don't have an option for Vsync and definition...lol But that screenshot from my game should prove that the game will run optimally on that card-even though EFLC runs smoother(with less fps drops) than IV does for some reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Seriously, stop this crap. Low end cards are low end cards, do not ever recommend them for "serious" gaming to anyone. If you are pleased, that's just fine, but do not recommend them to people. I am trying to help people too, I try to do that by giving people "budget-friendly" alternatives, as I try to figure out what the least amount of money you have to spend is to get games to run optimally-and obviously, your definition of optimally and my definition of it are two different things? I use the "budget friendly" approach, as I know what it is like being dirt poor growing up, and how hard it is to be able to buy expensive things..not everyone is rich you know? As for the claim about the settings, there were a few typos, as I said, I work night shifts, and was half asleep when I typed the original posts/quotes in the other topics-BUT the benchmarks from Fraps are legit, as you cannot alter benchmarks(to my knowledge?) That is why I suggest the "cheaper" cards, as I try to give "budget friendly"-the cheapest option(on a laptop) for gaming card...I as explained, my definition of running a game optimally may differ from someone else's, so please be nicer and more polite to people, I am only trying to help... Exxon, thank you for being polite on here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 You are obviously not using the same game version, hence the resource usage at different setting will not be the same. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Unless you provide me a good video showing a piece of paper with 'Radioman' on it and then your settings followed by gameplay (recorded with a camera), I believe you. But haven't you ever heard of patches? You're still using patch 1.0.0.0 , than your game looks like this If you use patch 1.0.4.0 , your game looks like this And if you're using patch 1.0.7.0 , your game also has options for Night Shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 Once again and the very last time - when people want to play, they usually don't want their game hauling its ass, they want to do so comfortably. Low end cards usually leave people disappointed, usually because someone said those cards are just fine for gaming. While they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverTheBelow Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 That is why I suggest the "cheaper" cards, as I try to give "budget friendly"-the cheapest option(on a laptop) for gaming card...I as explained, my definition of running a game optimally may differ from someone else's, so please be nicer and more polite to people, I am only trying to help... Exxon, thank you for being polite on here.. If people want a dumbed down experience of GTA4 on a budget, then naturally they are just going to go for a cheap laptop that has a dedicated GPU (which will probably end up being something comparable to the 5470). What you are doing is giving them false hope about the performance they will get, which is not actually helping. I have always tried to be polite in asking you previously to post your methods of obtaining those framerate results (whether it be driving along in the airport, in the city, etc) & to stop spreading misinformation, but it has proved harder to get the words into your head when being polite. @Exxon: Night shadows is essentially just a renamed shadow density (in preset form). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) @Exxon: Night shadows is essentially just a renamed shadow density (in preset form). Thanks for saying, I learned something new again By the way, isn't it 'was proven' instead of 'had proved' Edited August 11, 2011 by Exxon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaveZer0 Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) the phenom x6 (Get a Black Edition) will do just fine as long as you use a motherboard that will allow for overclocking or it will do it for you with turbo v. as for video cards id recommend something in the upper end of the nvidia line up. ~ VioMeTriX Edited August 11, 2011 by SlaveZer0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted August 11, 2011 Share Posted August 11, 2011 the phenom x6 (Get a Black Edition) will do just fine as long as you use a motherboard that will allow for overclocking or it will do it for you with turbo v. as for video cards id recommend something in the upper end of the nvidia line up. ~ VioMeTriX In GTA IV, a X6 is not any faster then a X4. Also, if you ask those "Can I run it" questions, then my assumption is that you aren't that great with computers. If someone isn't that great without computers, then I highly doubt they will get any usefulness out of six cores. For the same price, an i5 2500K will give you much better performance both in games and in regular use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) @Exxon, thanks for the information, I didn't know there was that much difference between the Patches and No Patches...I never have used any patches in my games, as there was really no need to, as III and VC's patches were obsolete with newer hardware and drivers(from what I have read in those sections way back when) and since I have V2 of SA, there was no patches for that game, as the Patch was for V1 only, and for IV and EFLC, there is no need for the patches, unless you experiance problems with the game, imo...and since I am a little old fashioned, I go by the old saying of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.."-which in this case would mean :If the game works fine out of the box, don't take a chance on messing it up by using the patches" Unless you provide me a good video showing a piece of paper with 'Radioman' on it and then your settings followed by gameplay (recorded with a camera), I believe you. Wow, it sounds like you got that line from the TV Show "In the Heat of the Night"-lol But...anyway, I would love to upload a video, but even after converting the video, the file size is still too large to upload, as the videos range from 900MB to 1.4GB in size...So, that is not an option...You just have to take my word for it-I don't lie, so there is NO reason to doubt me...I tried converting the videos with Replay Converter, but the quality is so bad that you don't want to watch it-not even me...Windows Live Movie Maker is the only converter I have found that converts videos and yet keeps the same exact quality, but those videos are the ones that are 900MB to 1.4GB+ in size... But OT-SlaveZer0 and YankeesPwnMets are both on par for good upgrades... Edited August 12, 2011 by radioman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Wow, it sounds like you got that line from the TV Show "In the Heat of the Night"-lol But...anyway, I would love to upload a video, but even after converting the video, the file size is still too large to upload, as the videos range from 900MB to 1.4GB in size...So, that is not an option...You just have to take my word for it-I don't lie, so there is NO reason to doubt me...I tried converting the videos with Replay Converter, but the quality is so bad that you don't want to watch it-not even me...Windows Live Movie Maker is the only converter I have found that converts videos and yet keeps the same exact quality, but those videos are the ones that are 900MB to 1.4GB+ in size... Gues how big my 'GTA IV:SA 'Good Love' Trailer' was? Almost 2 GB I uploaded a video once which was 3.1 GB I also do it with Movie Maker, it just 'shrank' my video from 3.1 GB to about 700 MB So how come you can't upload 1.4 GB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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