'Irish' Characters in IV

[Irish Boy]

I have to admit that the Irish characters in IV were my favourite but lads, whats up with the names? I have never heard of the name Bucky or Sligo in all my life in Ireland. Nor have I heard the names Gordon, Sargeant or McReary. Gordon Sargeant sounds more Scottish than Irish.

I mean if your going to make Irish characters at least make names that Irish players can relate to like Sullivan, McCarthy or O' Neill. Whats with that like?

[AlexGTAGamer]

I agree with you there, I mean Phil Bell is 90% Irish and his name doesn't even sound Irish.

[uramet]

Totally agree, at the same I time think it was a running joke in that none of the Irish carachters had any real connection with Ireland. Patrick mentions his grandfather comming into Liberty City and then, I imagine his grandfather died. None of the 'McCrearys' have been to Ireland, that's the joke. They are proud to be Irish but they've never been there.

[darrellmonks]

My name is Monks and im irish. Just because your from a country doesnt meen your name has to be irish, i think r* just went for realism. And youve never heard of a guy called Gordon? I thought that was a pretty common name worldwide.

[The Notorious MOB]

I doubt 'Bucky' is his real first name.. there's a skateboarder called Bucky Lasek who's real name I think is Michael (maybe Bucky Sligo's name is Michael). There also used to be a cartoon called Bucky O'Hare (kinda unrelated but O'Hare is an irish surname). Also Sligo is a realistic surname for an Irish American just like Messina is a realistic name for an italian american. Sargent is also an irish surname.. haven't you ever heard of Trevor Sargent?? Gordon is quite a popular name in Ireland too. All of the McReary family members have Irish names too so I don't see your point there either.

 

I think Rockstar were trying not to be too stereotyical with the names. If there was a character named Paddy O'Reilly or Mick O'Conner I for one would have thought of it as a bit lazy on Rockstar's part.

[na89340qv0n34b09q340]

Maybe the Irish relation came from the Maternal side.

[Irish Boy]

I doubt 'Bucky' is his real first name.. there's a skateboarder called Bucky Lasek who's real name I think is Michael (maybe Bucky Sligo's name is Michael). There also used to be a cartoon called Bucky O'Hare (kinda unrelated but O'Hare is an irish surname). Also Sligo is a realistic surname for an Irish American just like Messina is a realistic name for an italian american. Sargent is also an irish surname.. haven't you ever heard of Trevor Sargent?? Gordon is quite a popular name in Ireland too. All of the McReary family members have Irish names too so I don't see your point there either.

 

I think Rockstar were trying not to be too stereotyical with the names. If there was a character named Paddy O'Reilly or Mick O'Conner I for one would have thought of it as a bit lazy on Rockstar's part.

In all my life in Ireland I have never heard of a person called Gordon- its a Scottish name.Trevor Sargeants ancestors originate from Scotland. None of the McRearys have real Irish names like Sean, Liam, Seamus, Shane or Conor. McReary definately isnt an Irish name.No Irish person called Michael calls themselves Bucky.

And last but not least, if they wanted a non stereotypical name could they not use a name like Shane McCrabbe or Liam Sullivan.

[MyDog]

Not only Irish, they f*cked up A LOT with Serbian too.

[CheesyJ]

I agree. The names weren't awful, but at the same time some of them were poor. It seemed like R* had just went for typical British names, instead of Irish ones.

[AceRay]

I really don't see how it really matters, I mean, I didn't think Sligo was a Irish name but any buthead in America would think McCreary is an Irish name.

R* wanted to be original and not use traditional Irish names I suppose. Doesn't raelly detract much for me I guess.

[cidamelo]

I really don't know anything about Irish and Scottish names, but I undestand why you're pissed off about it... It's like if they create a brazilian character called Juan Mendez!!

[MyDog]

Russian names were done wrong too. Full Russian names include given name, father's name and family name, so if Mikhail's father was called Fyodor, Mikhail's full name would be Mikhail Fyodorovich Faustin, but father's name was never mentioned in the game.

[Cash High]

Making spoofs of real life things is what makes Grand Theft Auto unique. Of course everything isn't going to be 100 % similar to real-life, but I could point out many things in GTA IV that are incorrect. Overall, I liked the Irish organized crime role in the game.

[Mr.Moffat]

eh while it never bothered me, in fact I was delighted they did'nt use typical irish names like paddy O hara or something like that, plus most of the irish characters such as packie were born in the states, so they prob would have more americanny first names, I mean my surname is Cotter and it does;nt seem remotley irish, yet the name dates back to the high kings of munster, plus McCreary is a northern Irish name derived from scotland, so yeah prob came from the plantations. alot of Irish surnames can be spcific to certain provinces.

[junkpile]

despite most of the names are specially created and just "game-names", one silly thing is that two of the protagonists can't actually combine them...

 

example:

 

1. Niko gets introduced to Packie and Francis MCREARY about the same time.

He even mentions BOTH in a phone dialogue with Roman after HAVE A HEART.

Yet he didn't make a connection.

 

 

2. Johnny has to kidnap Roman BELLIC and before got introduced to Niko BELLIC.

 

You may say, Johnny probably only knows his first name but NO, when Johnny walks down the stairs in COLLECTORS ITEM, he says "I wouldn't want to get in the way of this Niko BELLIC"...bla, this text varies but he knows his full name. And also, Johnny refers to Niko when kidnapping Roman like "not the only eastern european I seen lately, why do they all wear these tracksuits,...."

 

 

However, the names might not be realistic, but they're somewhat unique and you can easily remember them.

[MyDog]

Let's also not forget that Diaz completely forgot Lance in GTA VC after seeing him in GTA VCS.

[AceRay]

2. Johnny has to kidnap Roman BELLIC and before got introduced to Niko BELLIC.

 

You may say, Johnny probably only knows his first name but NO, when Johnny walks down the stairs in COLLECTORS ITEM, he says "I wouldn't want to get in the way of this Niko BELLIC"...bla, this text varies but he knows his full name. And also, Johnny refers to Niko when kidnapping Roman like "not the only eastern european I seen lately, why do they all wear these tracksuits,...."

Actually, Johnny and Niko meet up with PBX in that Elizabeta mission, thats the first time they meet.

And I also don't think Johnny even knows Roman's name, I remember he just getting told there was some Eastern European guy they needed to kidnap, and that he would have no idea Roman was related to Niko, he's just saying that he has meet another Eastern European recently.

[AlexGTAGamer]

The one thing I've noticed with names is that Armando Torres and Henrique Bardas share the same last names as Elizabeta and Mallorie yet they are not related.

[MyDog]

As well as T-Bone Mendez and the drug lord brothers from VCS.

[Sanjeem]

Some Irish people probably have different ancestry, mixed with some scotish, spanish I've heard aswell, hence the names might not be familiar but lets be honest, it's hard to be 100% something. Also I suppose R* didn't want stereotypes, There wasn't one main Italian-American in IV called Tony or Joey...now that's impressive.

 

Seamus I thought was a common Irish name, I like it aswell but he was a minor character in IV.

[spaceeinstein]

 

Yet he didn't make a connection.

He didn't assume a connection. Who would want to do that? Check Francis's phonecall after "Harboring a Grudge":

 

Packie McReary, Francis McReary. It's all starting to make sense. I knew Irish families were big but I didn't expect to run into brothers in a place the size of Liberty City.

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Johnny has to kidnap Roman BELLIC and before got introduced to Niko BELLIC.

Please show that Johnny knows Niko's last name... Johnny only knows Niko's first name through Liz. His last name isn't mentioned to him.

 

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when Johnny walks down the stairs in COLLECTORS ITEM, he says "I wouldn't want to get in the way of this Niko BELLIC"...bla

Do you have to

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sh*t. You don't wanna get in that Slav's way.

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And I also don't think Johnny even knows Roman's name

Johnny does know. The Russian guy who wants to kidnap Roman tells Johnny Roman's full name. Please check the

again.

 

The name of the man we want is Roman Bellic.

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Let's also not forget that Diaz completely forgot Lance in GTA VC after seeing him in GTA VCS.

When was that? There's nothing in VC that would suggest Lance was new to Diaz.

Edited August 16, 2011 by spaceeinstein

[junkpile]

 

Please show that Johnny knows Niko's last name... Johnny only knows Niko's first name through Liz. His last name isn't mentioned to him.

 

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when Johnny walks down the stairs in COLLECTORS ITEM, he says "I wouldn't want to get in the way of this Niko BELLIC"...bla

 

 

 

6:00 minutes <- there he says it.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2011 by junkpile

[LokiHavok]

Well as someone who is heavily interested in all this Irish Mob, and by extention Irish-American I will sum things up.

 

McReary is a bastardization of McCreary, an Irish surname of Scottish origin, I believe. WHich upon immigration surnames were sometimes misspelled or Angilicized. Like how, MacGuinness became McGinnis stateside

 

As far as first names the Irish Catholic immigrants that came here in the 1800s have adapted to American (Anglo-Saxon-at the time) standards decades after their arrival after the Potato Famine. So naturally more traditional names like Thomas, Michael, Kevin, etc etc would creep into family lines over time other than the Liam, Sean, Connor etc.

 

And also, Americans of Scotch-Irish descent or Ulster Scots (as they're called in other parts of the world) which inhabit Northern Ireland, generally consider themselves Irish some times in the States which would account for Gordon Sargent and the likes of Scottish sounding names. Regardless, the Irish mob these days will accept anyone who's white, Look at Bosko “The Yugo” Radonjich of Westies fame.

 

And let's not forget Michael Keane, pretty Irish to me. Point is the Irish Mob in America, really refers to Irish-American Organized Crime. The decedents of the Irish from the 1800s.