UK Riots

[EmagmaLak]

Im not one for all this political correctness, but shooting them really wont help.

As it stands they have no real reason to be causing this much chaos, if the police were to start shooting them, i think the chaos would grow because it would enrage them even more.

 

Plastic bullets im all for, but shooting to kill wont solve a thing.

[Andrew]

Looks like the statement following the COBRA meeting has been put even further back.

 

That Downing Street statement by the prime minister following this morning's Cobra crisis meeting appears to be slipping a bit - now expected at 10:45BST.

 

 

Just read that other police forces are sending officers down to London to help, given the way this is spreading I don't think this is a good idea.

 

As much as I'd like them to arm and shoot the bastards, this would cause more problems then what it is worth. As the rioters would just arm themselves and then we'll end up with a shoot out. Instead we should allow a bit more kick the sh*t out of the rioters to happen.

[ska]

It is so upsetting to see these thugs ruin the livelihood of these local businesses which have been set on fire. These are not protests, just blatant vandalism.

[Der_Don]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I've got some questions:

 

1. What do those people want to achieve with their behaviour? What is their motivation?

2. Who are those people? Just some kids who think it's cool too to be against the government?

3. I've heard that there are also riots in Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham. Can anyone confirm this?

4. What does COBRA stand for?

[Barguast]

Im not one for all this political correctness, but shooting them really wont help.

As it stands they have no real reason to be causing this much chaos, if the police were to start shooting them, i think the chaos would grow because it would enrage them even more.

 

Plastic bullets im all for, but shooting to kill wont solve a thing.

I'm beginning to think it's the only language they understand. This story says it all. They're a f*cking cancer on this country, and you don't combat cancer by talking it down. These people could do with some thinning out, and once that's done then keep their numbers down. What's depressing is the rate these people procreate despite their purported poverty. There is no concept of responsibility, and worst of all they're essentially encouraged to do so. Licensed breeding doesn't seem such a bad idea these days.

[PHCharls]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a3...ndon-riots.html

 

GTA blamed by the UK riots.

 

oh dear not again.

 

 

rand Theft Auto has been identified by a policeman as a possible contributing factor to this past weekend's riots in Tottenham.

 

A police constable told the London Evening Standard that the youths at the centre of the violence may have been tempted to re-enact scenes from Rockstar's controversial gaming franchise.

 

"These are bad people who did this. Kids out of control," the unnamed source is quoted as saying.

 

"When I was young it was all Pac-Man and board games. Now they're playing Grand Theft Auto and want to live it for themselves."

 

Rockstar games such as Canis Canem Edit, Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto have been at the centre of numerous controversies over the years.

 

2008 Nintendo DS release Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars sparked controversy by featuring a drug-dealing mini-game.

 

[Robinski]

 

I didn't read the whole thread, so I've got some questions:

 

1. What do those people want to achieve with their behaviour? What is their motivation?

2. Who are those people? Just some kids who think it's cool too to be against the government?

3. I've heard that there are also riots in Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham. Can anyone confirm this?

4. What does COBRA stand for?

1. Free stuff and having fun destroying stuff. The initial, peaceful protests were over a police shooting of a man in the community (who was armed) but that initially spilled over into violence and now everyone has just joined in. People who are rioting do not give a sh*t about s=the shooting of Mark Duggan. This is not a protest, it's simply rioting.

 

2. Just disadvantaged local youths mostly. Most of the effected areas are either quite run down, rife with unemployment and general anger at the system, or they're next to areas like that.

 

There have been confirmed incidents last night in Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol and unconfirmed reports of unrest in Nottingham.

 

4. Cabinet Office Briefing Room A. It's the place where crisis meetings are held with all the major players. When a COBRA committee meeting goes down you know sh*t's serious.

 

 

E;

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a3...ndon-riots.html

 

GTA blamed by the UK riots.

 

oh dear not again.

No, read the article again. ONE POLICE CONSTABLE, not an official, said something related to GTA and the riots. His statement really reads more like "It's like Grand Theft Auto out here" than "OMG kids are playing GTA so they are rioting". This news story is sh*te, written by a hack.

Edited August 9, 2011 by Robinski

[Der_Don]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I've got some questions:

 

1. What do those people want to achieve with their behaviour? What is their motivation?

2. Who are those people? Just some kids who think it's cool too to be against the government?

3. I've heard that there are also riots in Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham. Can anyone confirm this?

4. What does COBRA stand for?

1. Free stuff and having fun destroying stuff. The initial, peaceful protests were over a police shooting of a man in the community (who was armed) but that initially spilled over into violence and now everyone has just joined in. People who are rioting do not give a sh*t about s=the shooting of Mark Duggan. This is not a protest, it's simply rioting.

 

2. Just disadvantaged local youths mostly. Most of the effected areas are either quite run down, rife with unemployment and general anger at the system, or they're next to areas like that.

 

There have been confirmed incidents last night in Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol and unconfirmed reports of unrest in Nottingham.

 

4. Cabinet Office Briefing Room A. It's the place where crisis meetings are held with all the major players. When a COBRA committee meeting goes down you know sh*t's serious.

Thanks!

[Andrew]

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a3...ndon-riots.html

 

GTA blamed by the UK riots.

 

oh dear not again.

 

 

rand Theft Auto has been identified by a policeman as a possible contributing factor to this past weekend's riots in Tottenham.

 

A police constable told the London Evening Standard that the youths at the centre of the violence may have been tempted to re-enact scenes from Rockstar's controversial gaming franchise.

 

"These are bad people who did this. Kids out of control," the unnamed source is quoted as saying.

 

"When I was young it was all Pac-Man and board games. Now they're playing Grand Theft Auto and want to live it for themselves."

 

Rockstar games such as Canis Canem Edit, Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto have been at the centre of numerous controversies over the years.

 

2008 Nintendo DS release Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars sparked controversy by featuring a drug-dealing mini-game.

 

It's not even a reliable source, just some internet rumour blog.

 

Cabinet Office Briefing Room A? sh*t I thought it stood for something better then that!

[Robinski]

The stand-in Commissioner for the Met Police just confirmed that there are currently no plans for the army to get involved.

Matthew Hancock MP has reported to some local radio station that Parliament is going to be recalled for Thursday too.

Both these things coming from BBC News.

 

And yeah, COBRA sounds a hell of a lot cooler than it actually is.

[OchyGTA]

I didn't read the whole thread, so I've got some questions:

 

1. What do those people want to achieve with their behaviour? What is their motivation?

2. Who are those people? Just some kids who think it's cool too to be against the government?

3. I've heard that there are also riots in Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham. Can anyone confirm this?

4. What does COBRA stand for?

1. Free stuff and having fun destroying stuff. The initial, peaceful protests were over a police shooting of a man in the community (who was armed) but that initially spilled over into violence and now everyone has just joined in. People who are rioting do not give a sh*t about s=the shooting of Mark Duggan. This is not a protest, it's simply rioting.

 

2. Just disadvantaged local youths mostly. Most of the effected areas are either quite run down, rife with unemployment and general anger at the system, or they're next to areas like that.

 

There have been confirmed incidents last night in Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol and unconfirmed reports of unrest in Nottingham.

 

4. Cabinet Office Briefing Room A. It's the place where crisis meetings are held with all the major players. When a COBRA committee meeting goes down you know sh*t's serious.

 

 

E;

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a3...ndon-riots.html

 

GTA blamed by the UK riots.

 

oh dear not again.

No, read the article again. ONE POLICE CONSTABLE, not an official, said something related to GTA and the riots. His statement really reads more like "It's like Grand Theft Auto out here" than "OMG kids are playing GTA so they are rioting". This news story is sh*te, written by a hack.

He was actually unarmed and didn't shoot at police, the people may not know it but they are rioting because they have been let down by the government. Why do you think people riot, for a bit of a laugh?? No, its because these kids don't have a future and are clearly frustrated. Class system doesn't help as well. Someone from Hampshire has a better chance at life then someone in Hackney/Tottenham etc.

[Der_Don]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248

Shocking footage. Those people are idiots.

[GTA 360]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248

Shocking footage. Those people are idiots.

Them cops are seriously out numbered, we NEED the army here, we NEED reinforcements!

[Robinski]

Ochy, can we not start this shouting match again? It got us all nowhere last night, and it'll do the same today. I noted that those sorts of things are contributing factors in my description of the areas. I just don't think they are direct, conscious causes in the minds of rioters. The conscious causes in these peoples' midns are that "hey I can get a telly, and smash something up on the way back". People are rioting because, all of a sudden, they can engage in behaviour that is normally impossible and gets them a material gain, and in the end is exciting. If you think a lot of people causing the mayhem aren't doing it because they get some enjoyment out of it, all I can assume is you've never lived in an area where sometimes that's literally all the kids have to do.

 

PM statement expected in 5 mins.

[OchyGTA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248

Shocking footage. Those people are idiots.

Its not shocking, they outnumber the police who harress them because they're young and are wearing hoodies (most of the time because their black) so they fight back

[baptiste]

I dont claim to know anything about anything but I'm just wondering where is the major police responce? Doesnt the UK have an anti-riot unit in addition to the police?

 

Is there a good reason why after 3 days there arnt only a few isolated retards left? Alot of the videos I see there are only a handfull of policeman vs 20-30 rioters.

 

Anyway, serious questions.

[Der_Don]

[...] who harress them because they're young and are wearing hoodies (most of the time because their black) so they fight back

Yes of course

[OchyGTA]

Ochy, can we not start this shouting match again? It got us all nowhere last night, and it'll do the same today. I noted that those sorts of things are contributing factors in my description of the areas. I just don't think they are direct, conscious causes in the minds of rioters. The conscious causes in these peoples' midns are that "hey I can get a telly, and smash something up on the way back". People are rioting because, all of a sudden, they can engage in behaviour that is normally impossible and gets them a material gain, and in the end is exciting. If you think a lot of people causing the mayhem aren't doing it because they get some enjoyment out of it, all I can assume is you've never lived in an area where sometimes that's literally all the kids have to do.

 

PM statement expected in 5 mins.

I'm not saying its at the front of their minds but there is a reason they riot, yh sure some are in just for a laugh but majority really are unhappy

[Barguast]

Ochy, can we not start this shouting match again? It got us all nowhere last night, and it'll do the same today. I noted that those sorts of things are contributing factors in my description of the areas. I just don't think they are direct, conscious causes in the minds of rioters. The conscious causes in these peoples' midns are that "hey I can get a telly, and smash something up on the way back". People are rioting because, all of a sudden, they can engage in behaviour that is normally impossible and gets them a material gain, and in the end is exciting. If you think a lot of people causing the mayhem aren't doing it because they get some enjoyment out of it, all I can assume is you've never lived in an area where sometimes that's literally all the kids have to do.

This, this, a thousand times this.

 

I'm sick of people wondering what the motives are, or saying 'They're clearly frustrated, but what are they trying to say?'. They aren't saying anything, they're looting because they want widescreen LED 3D TVs, but can't be bothered to get off their arse and make something of themselves. This country already does enough to give people a start in life, if they screw that up to take the easy route then that is their problem and the ramifications of their choices should not be used as excuses.

[Andrew]

Ouchy you start this sh*t again and I will ban you from this topic, I am not having you start it again. There is no motive other greed and violence.

 

@Robinski, read that on the BBC feed, that parliament is being recalled for thursday.

[nightwalker83]

I'm glad that Australian law is somewhere in the middle between the USA, I'll kill you and you family and the British ooo look a mob lets see if I can beat them off with my stick.

[Andrew]

@baptise, we do have riot police that is what you saw up against the rioters. However the grim prospect is that the police are vastly out numbered at the moment and spread very thin across the capital.

[Robinski]

Cameron: "We will do everything necessary to bring safety to British streets." We need more police on our streets and more robust action. Going to try and up numbers of police from 6000 last night to 16000 tonight. Bringing in aid from other forces. All Met leave cancelled.

 

Message to those involved: you will feel the full force of the law, if you old enough to commit these crimes you are old enough to face the punishments.

 

Parliament recalled on Thursday.

Edited August 9, 2011 by Robinski

[OchyGTA]

Ouchy you start this sh*t again and I will ban you from this topic, I am not having you start it again. There is no motive other greed and violence.

 

@Robinski, read that on the BBC feed, that parliament is being recalled for thursday.

Thats your opinion, I will stop but you have to understand that people don't just start riots for a laugh

[GTA_stu]

 

Its not shocking, they outnumber the police who harress them because they're young and are wearing hoodies (most of the time because their black) so they fight back

 

Statistically a young black male wearing a hoody is more likely to be carrying a knife, so why shouldn't they target them? If it was young asian males, young latino males or young white males who were carrying them then they would target them more for stop and search. But seeing as how it is young black males in certain areas who are more likely to be carrying them, then obviously they will be the target of the police.

 

It's not personal, they don't do it just because they're black.

[OchyGTA]

Its not shocking, they outnumber the police who harress them because they're young and are wearing hoodies (most of the time because their black) so they fight back

 

Statistically a young black male wearing a hoody is more likely to be carrying a knife, so why shouldn't they target them? If it was young asian males, young latino males or young white males who were carrying them then they would target them more for stop and search. But seeing as how it is young black males in certain areas who are more likely to be carrying them, then obviously they will be the target of the police.

 

It's not personal, they don't do it just because they're black.

A lot of the black community find the police to be racist, there were a couple of interviews on BBC last night from Black community workers etc.

[Robinski]

Statistically a young black male wearing a hoody is more likely to be carrying a knife, so why shouldn't they target them?

Because, statistically, that's racist. And stupid. Remember, Glasgow was the knife crime capital of the UK not long ago and it's pretty much the whitest city in the country.

[Punk-in-Drublic]

I don't tolerate these acts of violence and destruction, they should be targeting the banks, not peoples livelihoods and homes.

 

This is the kind of mindlessness that is going to put more bad press on anarchists when these idiots are running around like headless chickens.

[Barguast]

Ouchy you start this sh*t again and I will ban you from this topic, I am not having you start it again. There is no motive other greed and violence.

 

@Robinski, read that on the BBC feed, that parliament is being recalled for thursday.

Thats your opinion, I will stop but you have to understand that people don't just start riots for a laugh

That's the thing - they do. They might be bored, or unhappy, but if so that is their own doing. Just because the perpetrators are thick as pig sh*t, doesn't mean that they should not be held accountable for their actions.

[Barguast]

 

I don't tolerate these acts of violence and destruction, they should be targeting the banks, not peoples livelihoods and homes.

"I don't tolerate acts of violence and destruction, but they should be targeting the banks". What an utterly stupid thing to say.

 

EDIT: Oops, DP.