New World Order [Illuminati theory]

[sivispacem]

What I don't understand is why people seem to take the use of such symbolism as some kind of evidence of the existence of such organisations in the modern world, or the idea that the people who use the symbols are somehow part of the conspiracy?

 

Does it not strike the people that make comments to this intent that the wealthy and renowned socialites who use such symbolism do so precisely because it invokes an air of mystery, and therefore causes more people to buy their products and listen to their comments, interviews and songs to try to decipher any ulterior meaning behind it it? That's exactly what I would do if I was in the entertainment industry.

[hellfire500]

This forum is full of fools!

The so called "New World Order" has nothing to do with Illuminati or that degenerate symbolism in music videos and /or song lyrics. That stuff is made up for morons to discuss and discredit people who want to discuss the real issues of world government

It has nothing to do with masons, aliens or dumb religious claims. Its all about control.

 

Just watch this whole documentary

 

 

Edited July 10, 2011 by hellfire500

[Moonshield]

All I know is that their is ALOT of [illuminati symbols in todays music videos.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VhCTNitPsY4/TIS5HdGU9MI/AAAAAAAAASw/89_f3oqDCUY/s1600/gaga4cq2.gif

http://api.ning.com/files/v3Yv0kiwjV1SK8Ag5WtCax9p6AykTgCPNkMcrZ4roMeBo548Fnqpp6H262*Lw-gIMWcscZUGjdo6OKzOCy*kdZlttk1xtDUB/ladygagailluminati1.jpg

http://www.conspirazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/madonna-illuminati-jacket.jpg

http://cdn.theurbandaily.com/files/2010/01/illuminati-jayz.jpg

Dont know much more than that, Not sure if its real or not.

So what you're saying is that Lady Gaga, Madonna, and Jay Z are the grand wizards of the illuminati? K.

[sivispacem]

This forum is full of fools!

The so called "New World Order" has nothing to do with Illuminati or that degenerate symbolism in music videos. That stuff is made up for morons to discuss and discredit people who want to discuss the real issues with world government

It has nothing to do with aliens or dumb religious claims Its all about control.

I wish people would stop posting Alex Jones horse-sh*t. He's an under-educated oaf with no understanding of statecraft, security or politics, who rabbits on about completely illogical and often utterly unrelated events and manages to twist them into some giant conspiracy. Seriously, he'd make a fantastic Dan Brown-esque fiction writer, but in terms of accuracy, his programs and reports make "Loose Change" look like a science textbook.

 

He's a deluded, malignant narcissist who gets a thrill, probably at least partially sexual, from "leading on" the ignorant and the stupid. Little more than a cursory browse through history reveals his ostensibly-sensible writings to be the utter bollocks that they are.

 

Avoid.

[hellfire500]

This forum is full of fools!

The so called "New World Order" has nothing to do with Illuminati or that degenerate symbolism in music videos. That stuff is made up for morons to discuss and discredit people who want to discuss the real issues with world government

It has nothing to do with aliens or dumb religious claims Its all about control.

I wish people would stop posting Alex Jones horse-sh*t. He's an under-educated oaf with no understanding of statecraft, security or politics, who rabbits on about completely illogical and often utterly unrelated events and manages to twist them into some giant conspiracy. Seriously, he'd make a fantastic Dan Brown-esque fiction writer, but in terms of accuracy, his programs and reports make "Loose Change" look like a science textbook.

 

He's a deluded, malignant narcissist who gets a thrill, probably at least partially sexual, from "leading on" the ignorant and the stupid. Little more than a cursory browse through history reveals his ostensibly-sensible writings to be the utter bollocks that they are.

 

Avoid.

It's a Jason Bermas film. He no longer associates himself with Alex Jones.

 

Anyway, you're free to criticize the individual. I don't like Jones too, but it's still better than than Zeitgeist.

All the sources check out, and even if (in your eyes) it fails to expose the controlled system behind it, you can still view it as a expose on individual cases of corruption.

[sivispacem]

It's a Jason Bermas film. He no longer associates himself with Alex Jones.

 

Anyway, you're free to criticize the individual. I don't like Jones too, but it's still better than than Zeitgeist.

All the sources check out, and even if (in your eyes) it fails to expose the controlled system behind it, you can still view it as a expose on individual cases of corruption.

Produced by Alex Jones. That should immediately ring alarm bells.

 

Corruption happens. That's a simple factual statement. I've worked closely with policy makers and the political community in the past and like to think I have a pretty good idea of what goes on behind closed doors. The idea that somehow individual cases of corruption, or questionable decisions enacted by single political figures equal a larger conspiracy only makes any degree of sense if one does not fully explore the issues, or understand the structure of the political system.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no "controlled system" behind it. Most mid-level political figures have little to no understanding of the decisions that they are required to make. They are utterly reliant on an army of think-tanks, policy advisers and area specialists. The latter is true in every single aspect of politics. And the suggestion that these individuals are part of a wider conspiracy is just absurd- most have no ties to larger organisations or big business, as conspiracy theorists constantly make out. Many give totally contradictory information to policy makers, thanks to a wildly varying number of personal views, personal experiences, and different interpretations of theory and evidence. Politics is the least structured of all the social sciences- at best an argument at a dinner party, at worst a back-alley knife fight. To suggest that there is any kind of ulterior, suspicious or conspiratorial undercurrent is to vastly overestimate the intelligence, knowledge and commitment of policy makers.

[Robinski]

All I know is that their is ALOT of [illuminati symbols in todays music videos.

 

Dont know much more than that, Not sure if its real or not.

Are you this man?

[hellfire500]

@sivispacem, Thanks for not using personal character attacks, as poeple usually do. We seem to agree that this stuff has nothing to do with masons, aliens or religion. But do you really think there is no higher control? Those were some valid points you raised, but it doesn't mean that it's completely impossible. Sometimes the middle and lower echelons of power even don't know the purpose behind their actions, its called Compartmentalization (follow link)

 

We can say everything we want, yet there is hardly a single page of history that does not partially reveal the deadly eye of conspiracy at work. It was a conspiracy that directed Brutus against Caesar in the Roman Senate on the Ides of March. It was a conspiracy that plotted the betrayal of West Point by Benedict Arnold during the American Revolution. It was a conspiracy that led John Wilkes Booth to the assassination of President Lincoln on Good Friday, 1865. If it's existed before, what makes you think it does not exist now? Hell, even House Committee on Assassinations admitted that JFK was killed as a result of conspiracy in 1978, yet no-one seems to know that, and still refer to the warren commission report. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHNQdL9eImM

 

Just for the sake of argument, lets assume that there is no controlling group. But is the meeting of 140 of the most influential poeple in politics and business (Bilderberg group) ethical or legal? Given the fact that there is no transparency at all and the mainstream media seems to ignore it.

Its not legal, at least for US delegates, because it violates the Logan Act ,yet they're still not penalized.

 

Fact it is, if there was transparency, checks and balances etc. There would be no reason for suspicions and theories like these to arise.

[sivispacem]

Just for the sake of argument, lets assume that there is no controlling group. But is the meeting of 140 of the most influential poeple in politics and business (Bilderberg group) ethical or legal? Given the fact that there is no transparency at all and the mainstream media seems to ignore it.

Its not legal, at least for US delegates, because it violates the Logan Act ,yet they're still not penalized.

 

Fact it is, if there was transparency, checks and balances etc. There would be no reason for suspicions and theories like these to arise.

In relation to the former, all business is done that way. What's unethical or illegal about the most powerful minds meeting to discuss policy and ? That's the way things always have been and always will be. Incidentally, I don't see how it violates the Logan Act. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Logan Act refers predominantly to sedition and treason, the divulging of state secrets and other sensitive documents to foreign powers outside of the due political process? Now, to say that the Bilderberg Group somehow violates that seems contradictory, as it contains large number of political figures who, by their very nature, are citizens authorised to discuss policy with the representatives of foreign powers. That's basically just diplomacy, no?

 

In relation to the latter, don't you find it at least slightly unusual that the United States, the nation with the most heavily enshrined checks and balances system on earth, and the one state whose political system is carved up in such a way that each individual section- legislature, judiciary and executive- is basically powerless in itself, is the largest hot-bed of conspiracy theories such as thins one? To me, that seems incredibly counter-intuitive. Surely the hot-bed of conspiracy should be some autocratic, corrupt, war-torn state? But no, and why is that? If you ask me, it's to do with the population. The fundamental rights of individuals, the concept of the separation of powers and the ideas of federalism are drilled into every citizen throughout their lives, yet these are conceptual ideas and therefore imperfect in their real-world execution. Only in a truly free state could so many individuals transform small imperfections in what is comparatively an incredibly "free" political system into a vast, over-arching conspiracy theory stretching throughout government and big business.

 

Am I saying that diplomacy isn't conducted secretively, behind closed doors and in smoke-filled rooms away from the prying eyes of the press and the public? No, I am not. That is how policy is formed, alliances are made and the very political architecture of a nation is planned out. Does that somehow mean that those involved in this process are part of a large conspiracy of the nature implied by ideas such as the New World Order theory? Not at all.

 

Incidentally, I defined "New World Order" in it's correct way on the first page. The idea that is presented by conspiracy theorists as "New World Order" is so far removed from the correct usage of the term that it is utterly laughable.

[illspirit]

 

In relation to the latter, don't you find it at least slightly unusual that the United States, the nation with the most heavily enshrined checks and balances system on earth, and the one state whose political system is carved up in such a way that each individual section- legislature, judiciary and executive- is basically powerless in itself, is the largest hot-bed of conspiracy theories such as thins one? To me, that seems incredibly counter-intuitive. Surely the hot-bed of conspiracy should be some autocratic, corrupt, war-torn state? But no, and why is that? If you ask me, it's to do with the population. The fundamental rights of individuals, the concept of the separation of powers and the ideas of federalism are drilled into every citizen throughout their lives, yet these are conceptual ideas and therefore imperfect in their real-world execution. Only in a truly free state could so many individuals transform small imperfections in what is comparatively an incredibly "free" political system into a vast, over-arching conspiracy theory stretching throughout government and big business.

Well, in some cases, it's the very opponents of freedom who push the conspiracy theories-- either out of subconscious projection or as willful misdirection --in an attempt to rally people to and/or justify their cause. For instance, lots of conspiracy theories about how Jews are taking over the world spawned from (neo-)Nazis... who really want to take over the world. Likewise, many anti-business conspiracy originated with communist agitators. Or, as mentioned earlier in this topic, many of the anti-Illuminati and anti-Masonic theories originated with church officials who saw the Enlightenment as a threat to their power.

[danjodan]

All I know is that their is ALOT of [illuminati symbols in todays music videos.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VhCTNitPsY4/TIS5HdGU9MI/AAAAAAAAASw/89_f3oqDCUY/s1600/gaga4cq2.gif

http://api.ning.com/files/v3Yv0kiwjV1SK8Ag5WtCax9p6AykTgCPNkMcrZ4roMeBo548Fnqpp6H262*Lw-gIMWcscZUGjdo6OKzOCy*kdZlttk1xtDUB/ladygagailluminati1.jpg

http://www.conspirazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/madonna-illuminati-jacket.jpg

http://cdn.theurbandaily.com/files/2010/01/illuminati-jayz.jpg

Dont know much more than that, Not sure if its real or not.

So what you're saying is that Lady Gaga, Madonna, and Jay Z are the grand wizards of the illuminati? K.

Erm.....No.I just thought it was pretty weird, And as I previously said I dont know if its real or not.

[Sean_R_LFC]

If the NWO scares you, check out this, man...

f*ck you, I've just wasted 2 and a half hours on that site

[PrussianPrince]

If the NWO scares you, check out this, man...

Lol, it's f*cking gay, Hitler and his fellow friends are dead, don't worry about it and Nazi... They are only in US, in prisons.

[Jake]

 

If the NWO scares you, check out this, man...

f*ck you, I've just wasted 2 and a half hours on that site

 

 

 

 

WE MAY NEVER KNOW...

[Alick]

I don't see why people get all worked up over this, I'm stupidly interested in conspiracy theories, but not believing in them and I've read up loads on the New World Order and it's connections with Freemasonry and how it's implemented in subliminal messages throughout mass media etc. Like those pictures of Lady Gaga a page back, even if that is related to the eye of providence, that doesn't automatically relate her to the illuminati, it's just over read in to crap in my opinion.

 

I remember that whole bullsh*t story about Jay-Z being a Freemason, shame you can't be one with a criminal record.

[EmPty CaSInGz]

I don't really care; what the f*ck can I do about it?