New World Order [Illuminati theory]

[PrussianPrince]

Well, what's up with this conspiracy theory? I often hear about it and Illuminati but I couldn't understand what it means and what it says.

[Chunk]

It means nothing. Forget about it. NOW.

[[SM]CJZera]

Is it just me or a new topic like this surfaces every year or something?

[Fnorg]

From Wikipedia:

 

"The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, the name refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an bunch of compulsive liars who claim they have a few different BMWs and totally make up stories about military careers."

 

Don't you guys miss "Have a Question?"

[Bartleby]

If you ask me, it got really old after a couple of years. By 1998, no one really cared about Hollywood Hogan or Kevin Nash, really. It was all about Sting and Goldberg.

 

Still, it got me watching for awhile. Made wrestling cool again.

[Guest]

EDIT: Misread your first post. My bad.

 

As svispacem said below;

Edited July 5, 2011 by Piperka

[sivispacem]

It is, at it's simplest, a conspiracy theory that suggests there is a massive, transnational government through which all political and economic decisions are made clandestinely.

"New World Order" as a theory is a misinterpretation of a term from international relations and politics, which suggests a period in time where the balance of power between and inside states is dramatically altered. The rise of Fascism and Communism in Europe, the implosion of the USSR and the rise of China as a major player are examples of "new world orders". Somewhere along the lines, someone basically misunderstood this quite simple phrase to refer to a transnational, governmental secret order that rules the world. Don't ask me how.

[Punk-in-Drublic]

If you ask me, it got really old after a couple of years. By 1998, no one really cared about Hollywood Hogan or Kevin Nash, really. It was all about Sting and Goldberg.

 

Still, it got me watching for awhile. Made wrestling cool again.

They were nothing on D-Generation X God I loved the Monday Night Wars.

[PrussianPrince]

If you ask me, it got really old after a couple of years. By 1998, no one really cared about Hollywood Hogan or Kevin Nash, really. It was all about Sting and Goldberg.

 

Still, it got me watching for awhile. Made wrestling cool again.

They were nothing on D-Generation X God I loved the Monday Night Wars.

How gay you are.

[Mr.Mister]

 

It is, at it's simplest, a conspiracy theory that suggests there is a massive, transnational government through which all political and economic decisions are made clandestinely.

"New World Order" as a theory is a misinterpretation of a term from international relations and politics, which suggests a period in time where the balance of power between and inside states is dramatically altered. The rise of Fascism and Communism in Europe, the implosion of the USSR and the rise of China as a major player are examples of "new world orders". Somewhere along the lines, someone basically misunderstood this quite simple phrase to refer to a transnational, governmental secret order that rules the world. Don't ask me how.

You pretty muched said what I was going to say. Although NWO is still mentioned sometimes, I do think they are just talking about globalization. Not much of a fan of the whole interconnectedness that's taking over.

 

I'm worried that some people listen to Alex Jones too much. Many of the things he says has truth, but he always seems to pepper discussions with bullsh*t like how we are all going to die or we are becoming a fascist dictatorship.

 

If you'r interested in the things, check out the documentary on Bohemian Grove

[Lithium]

If you ask me, it got really old after a couple of years. By 1998, no one really cared about Hollywood Hogan or Kevin Nash, really. It was all about Sting and Goldberg.

 

Still, it got me watching for awhile. Made wrestling cool again.

They were nothing on D-Generation X God I loved the Monday Night Wars.

Not to mention Chyna could crush an ordinary man.

[Emhyr]

Well I'm a fan of these theories.But frankly people believe too much.

[Chorup]

In terms of power, the illuminati conspiracy is very much alive. Most of it is bullsh*t, but in regards to the notion of 'who is really pulling the trigger,' one cannot present a black and white answer. There is no denying that there are a select group of individuals who essentially 'pull the strings' of those who represent the face of authority in countries across the world. In particular in western society, there is an invisible source of power that the people are oblivious too, yet have some degree of influence on the actions of the government.

Before you all accuse me of being a conspiracy nut, let me explain what I mean. Most of today's media that is fed to the public is often privately owned, and as passive people, we tend to believe or agree when we are presented with an overabundance of one-sided views. In Australia, the majority of our media is owned by News Limited, which is headed by Rupert Murdoch. No doubt this individual holds great power in Australia. This is the obvious example on an external factor influencing the decisions of those 'in power.'

There are always a select group of individuals who hold the sway of power, in particular in nations like the US. The Jewish community has often filled this position in terms of a select group of individuals bearing the ultimate tools of propaganda and such. Look no further than Hollywood.

Many of you may disagree, but despite the background to the illuminati conspiracy being unconvincing, there is definitely substantial truth in the fact that unseen beings ultimately influence how our countries are run. Whether through legal or illegal means, there is no denying this view.

 

As for conspiracies in general, I do believe in a handful, mostly due to the fact that governments deem it necessary to keep 'the facts' from the people.

...Hey, it's not like the US hasn't played its cards in such a way that would allow them to exploit possibly the two greatest assets on this planet; oil and drugs, ultimately leading to the most beneficial factor; power.

[Punk-in-Drublic]

 

If you ask me, it got really old after a couple of years. By 1998, no one really cared about Hollywood Hogan or Kevin Nash, really. It was all about Sting and Goldberg.

 

Still, it got me watching for awhile. Made wrestling cool again.

They were nothing on D-Generation X God I loved the Monday Night Wars.

How gay you are.

How does being a fan of professional wrestling in it's prime make me a homosexual? Not that there would be anything wrong with that in the slightest, but when trying to belittle somebody over the internet, try using something more original than calling them gay, it's just nonsensical and intolerant.

 

@Lithium: f*cking hell, Chyna was a beast, then she had her jaw reconstructed to look "more feminine" and all of a sudden everyone wanted to screw her, it's amazing what a little surgery does. I was watching Wrestlemania 17 the other day and I was just in awe as to how attractive she was in comparison to a few years earlier when you wouldn't touch her with a barge pole.

Edited July 5, 2011 by Wreckless Jake

[trip]

I had to look up an image, since I haven't seen wrestling since the days of Jimmy 'Superfly' Snuka, and Andre the Giant.

 

This thing? Really??

 

As for the real Illuminati:

I believe. I love conspiracy theories and fall for them like a good mystery story.

[E.A.B.]

In terms of power, the illuminati conspiracy is very much alive. Most of it is bullsh*t, but in regards to the notion of 'who is really pulling the trigger,' one cannot present a black and white answer. There is no denying that there are a select group of individuals who essentially 'pull the strings' of those who represent the face of authority in countries across the world. In particular in western society, there is an invisible source of power that the people are oblivious too, yet have some degree of influence on the actions of the government.

Before you all accuse me of being a conspiracy nut, let me explain what I mean. Most of today's media that is fed to the public is often privately owned, and as passive people, we tend to believe or agree when we are presented with an overabundance of one-sided views. In Australia, the majority of our media is owned by News Limited, which is headed by Rupert Murdoch. No doubt this individual holds great power in Australia. This is the obvious example on an external factor influencing the decisions of those 'in power.'

There are always a select group of individuals who hold the sway of power, in particular in nations like the US. The Jewish community has often filled this position in terms of a select group of individuals bearing the ultimate tools of propaganda and such. Look no further than Hollywood.

Many of you may disagree, but despite the background to the illuminati conspiracy being unconvincing, there is definitely substantial truth in the fact that unseen beings ultimately influence how our countries are run. Whether through legal or illegal means, there is no denying this view.

 

As for conspiracies in general, I do believe in a handful, mostly due to the fact that governments deem it necessary to keep 'the facts' from the people.

...Hey, it's not like the US hasn't played its cards in such a way that would allow them to exploit possibly the two greatest assets on this planet; oil and drugs, ultimately leading to the most beneficial factor; power.

You're....kinda right.

 

There are governments, and then there are lobbies and people that ''influence'' decisions. Like the Jewish Israeli lobby, which has a lot of cash. They don't control things outright, but they can certainly influence decisions.

 

Then there are external factors that can influence people and decision makers. Fox News is an obvious propaganda machine (*I love it when they report on a story, and then add a ''some people say'' as a way of sprinkling their own opinions on the topic), but it's not as if we don't already know that.

 

None of this is anything new, though. Since ancient times, there have been people outside of government that can greatly influence decisions inside, due to their prestige and power. Large corporations bring in cash and jobs, so its easy to see why government might try to help them.

 

But there is no overruling evil lord that we all must fight with our tin foil hats that grant +1 strength and invulnerability to mind controlling waves.

 

*example: ''The Obama health plan is being proposed as a way to solve blah blah, critics say it decreases competition in the marketplace, and OTHERS SAY THAT OBAMA IS SATAN AND A FILTHY f*ckING NIG*ER THAT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND KILL YOU""

[T.Rez]

The Jewish community has often filled this position in terms of a select group of individuals bearing the ultimate tools of propaganda and such. Look no further than Hollywood.

Many of you may disagree, but despite the background to the illuminati conspiracy being unconvincing, there is definitely substantial truth in the fact that unseen beings ultimately influence how our countries are run. Whether through legal or illegal means, there is no denying this view.

 

 

That sounds like the talk of an Anti-Semite

[illspirit]

 

In terms of power, the illuminati conspiracy is very much alive.

 

*snip*

You're....kinda right.

*snip*

Certain elements of what he said may be based on some perceived truths, but there can be no right-- kinda or otherwise --when the entire premise is flawed.

 

Historically speaking, the Illuminati were an anti-authoritarian bunch whose goal was the abolition of oppressive monarchies and state religions. The idea that they were evil came largely from political and religious establishments who viewed them as a threat to the leaders' power. Basically, this charge was an 18th century version of the modern "you're with us or you're or your with the terrorists!11!"

 

It's really rather amazing how this propagandistic absurdity lives on today outside of fiction.

[Chorup]

 

In terms of power, the illuminati conspiracy is very much alive. Most of it is bullsh*t, but in regards to the notion of 'who is really pulling the trigger,' one cannot present a black and white answer. There is no denying that there are a select group of individuals who essentially 'pull the strings' of those who represent the face of authority in countries across the world. In particular in western society, there is an invisible source of power that the people are oblivious too, yet have some degree of influence on the actions of the government.

Before you all accuse me of being a conspiracy nut, let me explain what I mean. Most of today's media that is fed to the public is often privately owned, and as passive people, we tend to believe or agree when we are presented with an overabundance of one-sided views. In Australia, the majority of our media is owned by News Limited, which is headed by Rupert Murdoch. No doubt this individual holds great power in Australia. This is the obvious example on an external factor influencing the decisions of those 'in power.'

There are always a select group of individuals who hold the sway of power, in particular in nations like the US. The Jewish community has often filled this position in terms of a select group of individuals bearing the ultimate tools of propaganda and such. Look no further than Hollywood.

Many of you may disagree, but despite the background to the illuminati conspiracy being unconvincing, there is definitely substantial truth in the fact that unseen beings ultimately influence how our countries are run. Whether through legal or illegal means, there is no denying this view.

 

As for conspiracies in general, I do believe in a handful, mostly due to the fact that governments deem it necessary to keep 'the facts' from the people.

...Hey, it's not like the US hasn't played its cards in such a way that would allow them to exploit possibly the two greatest assets on this planet; oil and drugs, ultimately leading to the most beneficial factor; power.

You're....kinda right.

 

There are governments, and then there are lobbies and people that ''influence'' decisions. Like the Jewish Israeli lobby, which has a lot of cash. They don't control things outright, but they can certainly influence decisions.

 

Then there are external factors that can influence people and decision makers. Fox News is an obvious propaganda machine (*I love it when they report on a story, and then add a ''some people say'' as a way of sprinkling their own opinions on the topic), but it's not as if we don't already know that.

 

None of this is anything new, though. Since ancient times, there have been people outside of government that can greatly influence decisions inside, due to their prestige and power. Large corporations bring in cash and jobs, so its easy to see why government might try to help them.

 

But there is no overruling evil lord that we all must fight with our tin foil hats that grant +1 strength and invulnerability to mind controlling waves.

 

*example: ''The Obama health plan is being proposed as a way to solve blah blah, critics say it decreases competition in the marketplace, and OTHERS SAY THAT OBAMA IS SATAN AND A FILTHY f*ckING NIG*ER THAT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND KILL YOU""

Yes, but there are always groups that the government want to please and keep on their good side, even if it is at the expense of basic human rights or privileges of the wider community.

A government is meant to represent the people of a nation, and to appease a minority at the expense of your majority is simply wrong. Some may misinterrupt me for denying minority rights, for example for ethnic groups or religious groups. I am all for equity and equality regardless of one's ethnicity or background, yet when a distinct set of people are given greater privileges than the neglected majority, this is wrong.

That is the really sad thing about governments today, and even in the past. As i've said time and time again, money talks, and as you highlighted, this is the primary reason why the Jewish community essentially holds some aspects of American life in a complete stranglehold.

In modern society, we are witnessing an increase on corporations to be ethically and socially responsbile, as well as the people truly appreciating the rights they possess as citizens of a country, which will hopefully expose these organisations for what they really are.

There will always be external bodies that influence a government's decision, and the joke of this is that we did not elect these people to represent us..refuting the entire notion of a democracy. We elect a government to make decision for ALL the people, not a group carrying sacks with a dollar sign.

Like I said, what has become of the illuminati conspiracy is largely a great fairy-tale read, but the concept behind it all is definitely alive in our world.

Some governments even (whether it be intentionally or unintentionally) seek the demise of their nation.

 

 

That sounds like the talk of an Anti-Semite

Great input, unfortunately you probably don't have the intellectual capacity to see that I used them as an example. Either that or you get a kick out of talking sh*t.

Next time step it up to a complete sentence response, maybe then I'll begin to take you seriously.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Chorup

[LuisBellic]

I don't believe that sh*t. Everyone who say's it are just a bunch of retards paranoid about everything.

[Shayan Shaffey]

I was also wondering what it is!

Edited July 10, 2011 by shayanshaffey

[Jake]

If the NWO scares you, check out this, man...

[TomVDC]

If the NWO scares you, check out this, man...

That was quite scary to be honest.

Only imagining such a thing is crazy.

[Finn 7 five 11]

Well i was explained to very thoroughly who the illuminati were when i mistakenly asked someone who mentioned them.

 

I was told (i can't remember much anymore) that It all started hundreds of years ago there were a group of people who robbed many of gold, and eventually built up a large base of wealth, starting up the first banks, and the illuminati have continued to pass power through the generations and use the money and position to influence politics and economy yada yada yada.

 

That is the story version i heard anyway, then the mechanics and principles and such were very nicely summed up my posters before me.

 

The Illuminati as such may not exist, but people who control major world factors definitely do and use their money or power to manipulate others.

 

Apparently Gaga is part of illuminati ploy...http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/lady-gaga-the-illuminati-puppet/

 

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that star wars and the idea of the Empire is kind of similar to the Illuminati theory in some ways.

Edited July 10, 2011 by finn4life

[ilya]

This reminds me, I haven't played Deus Ex in a while..

[Flesh-n-Bone]

There's no way it's just theories and bullsh*t. There's a reason why we see the pyramid symbol everywhere. On sports, cartoons, music videos and even the dollar, it's all there and if it had no meaning, why else would it be found in so many different places?

 

But some people do exaggerate it sometimes.

[sivispacem]

There's no way it's just theories and bullsh*t. There's a reason why we see the pyramid symbol everywhere. On sports, cartoons, music videos and even the dollar, it's all there and if it had no meaning, why else would it be found in so many different places?

 

But some people do exaggerate it sometimes.

The eye of providence is a symbol that pre-dated the existence of the Illuminati, let alone the existence of the United States and it's currency. The thirteen steps of the pyramid represent the 13 original colonies, and the eye of providence signifies God's watchful eye over mankind. The very fact that it's on the dollar bill is what has resulted in it being so prevalent in US culture. To try and somehow construe the reverse seems utterly absurd and illogical.

[illspirit]

 

There's no way it's just theories and bullsh*t. There's a reason why we see the pyramid symbol everywhere. On sports, cartoons, music videos and even the dollar, it's all there and if it had no meaning, why else would it be found in so many different places?

 

But some people do exaggerate it sometimes.

The eye of providence is a symbol that pre-dated the existence of the Illuminati, let alone the existence of the United States and it's currency. The thirteen steps of the pyramid represent the 13 original colonies, and the eye of providence signifies God's watchful eye over mankind. The very fact that it's on the dollar bill is what has resulted in it being so prevalent in US culture. To try and somehow construe the reverse seems utterly absurd and illogical.

Adding to this, the eye symbolism didn't show up much in Freemasonry until years after the Great Seal was designed. Which, in turn, was years after the Illuminati were banned. But even if one was to assume time travel or something was involved to make the reverse true, the symbol still represents the eye of providence in Masonic lore. At its "weirdest," you may find some reference to the Eye of Horus in the esoteric depths of Masonic allegory, but even then, the Egyptian symbol meant the same thing.

 

And seeing as the pyramids represent one of the greatest works of stone masonry ever, there's really nothing weird or spooky about a group called the Freemasons being fascinated with the people who built them.

[danjodan]

All I know is that their is ALOT of [illuminati symbols in todays music videos.

Dont know much more than that, Not sure if its real or not.

[*MURDOC*]

Either that or Jay-Z is a fan of Diamond Dallas Page.