Machiavelli's Prophecy Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Would this be possible to implement? I'm not sure if it would take up much space. It would be great to have a view from inside the vehicles though. Imagine flying a jet and having a HAWX-like interior to look at or Midnight Club Los Angeles like car interiors. Would really change the game for the better imo, what do you guys think? Edited July 7, 2011 by Machiavelli's Prophecy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWh Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Would this be possible to implement? I'm not sure if it would take up much space. It would be great to have a view from inside the vehicles though. Imagine flying a jey and having a HAWX-like interior to look at or Midnight Club Los Angeles like car interiors. Would really change the game for the better imo, what do you guys think? Please no, you have the option to view from the window, that's all you need. GTA is not a car and racing based game, it's a bit more than that. Having that as standard too would drive many round the bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecimusKrieg Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Would this be possible to implement? I'm not sure if it would take up much space. It would be great to have a view from inside the vehicles though. Imagine flying a jey and having a HAWX-like interior to look at or Midnight Club Los Angeles like car interiors. Would really change the game for the better imo, what do you guys think? If it were easy enough for them to implement (considering they had it in the taxis in GTA4 it might not be? I'm no expert though) then sure, as an extra view I think it would be great. Why? Because it's another option that doesn't detract from the game like other more radical options would. Also, I love the level of detail in GTA4, increased details to make the experience more immersive are nothing but a good thing imo, not only that, if it's only a view option then I can't see how it would negatively affect players that don't like it, they could simply opt for a different, more traditional view win win. DK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I think there should be a first person driving view. It is a "must do" mod for me on all GTAs back to LC in III. Its just how I like GTA to be. GTA IV REAL NYC AT GTAFORUMS GTA IV REAL - V8 RUMBLE http://gtaforums.com/topic/782964-reliv-gta-iv-real-v8-rumble/?do=findComment&comment=1067267056 https://www.nationstates.net/region=gta_forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K^2 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The only real overhead here is creating high-detail interiors for every vehicle. In terms of space taken up on disk, this is absolutely minimal. In terms of memory taken up by loaded cars in RAM, it might be somewhat cramped. After all, the number of vehicles loaded at once is already memory-limited. But the time required to create interiors for every single one of these cars would still probably be the biggest factor. In terms of programming and tech, extremely straight forward. One more thing to test for bugs, of course, but it shouldn't cause any serious trouble. I would really like to see this. Even if it would be an undocumented option using the low-poly interiors, I'd be fine with it. But I have a feeling that R* would either do it right, or not at all. So it might have to stay in the realm of the mods. Prior to filing a bug against any of my code, please consider this response to common concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxsbigbro Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 i think it would be cool as a something to use when just playing around (alot like bumper cam imo) but i think i would stick to the third person vehicle view most of the time, cool idea though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) I guess your asking if it would be possible to implement increased geometry and texturing of the interior of vehicles. That is obviously a design optimization question and depends on how much detail or the cost of rendering other things outside as well as inside of the vehicle. Given the costs where free, using 1st person driving would be a bad idea unless certain conditions where met which involve additional peripherals as i believe 3rd person exist, at least marginally, as a means of resolving problems with situational awareness, so until then 3rd person is a necessity. I think a few videos should demonstrate why first person is a liability without some means of quickly turning your head. In GTA it would be even more nightmarish because of all the cross traffic then your standing racing game where all of the traffic is traveling in the same direction. For driving Notice that instead of pushing a button to see behind you you’re provided with additional information about what’s behind you in a review allowing for quicker response. Small head movements permit seeing what’s behind and to the sides via the side mirrors. No long repositioning of the camera is necessary, in fact you can offload some of the work on the muscles that control your eyes in real world. Especially pay attention to It is just simply impossible for the muscles that control the thumb to outperform the muscles that control the orientation of the head in precision and accuracy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EPA1DiX4Vs#t=0m43s at 40 seconds for only about 10 seconds. Notice when turning in later portions of the video, although subtle, there is slight rotation of the POV relative to the turning fo the vehicle. In order to successfully complete a turn, it’s good to have information about where you’re going. First few seconds seem to fk up the video.. start at about 07 seconds and it will run. This would be critical for driving in 1st person because your awareness of what is near you is limited. In GTA your knowledge of where other vehicles and obstructions are is not as static on a race track. Head tracking for shooting would potentially enhance immersion and control. 6:11 Having to not only aim, look, and move with very small flexor muscles of your thumbs is just overloading. GTA (and most 3rd person games) compensates for giving you omnipotence or perfect awareness of your surroundings by being able to see 360 what’s very close. Better to offload sensory orientation tasks to muscles that where actually designed to perform that function. Just for sh*ts and giggles. This guy maxed out the AI and ran around in the ensuing chaos. It’s just cool and has some trackir use. As far as I know Consoles are beginning to utilize motion tracking so hopefully it will be something that is integrated into next gen consoles, that assumes that shooters will find this valuable and start adopting it. Until then we are all thumbs except for those fortunate enough to have mouse aim. But then you have to drive with a keyboard with sh*tty binary steering inputs 1st person probably wouldn’t work for actual melee fighting but there is no reason why the programmers could not provide easy switching between modes. 3rd person could even maintain the track IR inputs. Ultimately i would like GTA to be 1st person and to be able to see the interior of the vehicle maybe even interact with all the dials, or glove box etc, but i think right now we are in trade-off land between control overriding immersion. Edited July 5, 2011 by Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 At one point during the very early previews and screenshots for IV, there was such a view. It showed part of the dashboard and the drivers hands if I remember right. God knows why they got rid, it would add to immersion quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmeto 2 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 No, I don't want to see first person view in cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriaan Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Yeah spot-on K^2 on the memory issues. Modern GTA is already technically limited on the consoles, so for that reason alone I don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmark Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) lol, I need to learn to read a thread before I reply. Edited July 5, 2011 by danmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 The only real overhead here is creating high-detail interiors for every vehicle. In terms of space taken up on disk, this is absolutely minimal. In terms of memory taken up by loaded cars in RAM, it might be somewhat cramped. After all, the number of vehicles loaded at once is already memory-limited. But the time required to create interiors for every single one of these cars would still probably be the biggest factor. In terms of programming and tech, extremely straight forward. One more thing to test for bugs, of course, but it shouldn't cause any serious trouble. I would really like to see this. Even if it would be an undocumented option using the low-poly interiors, I'd be fine with it. But I have a feeling that R* would either do it right, or not at all. So it might have to stay in the realm of the mods. We will probably see it eventually, but i doubt it will be in the next one, i would enjoy this a fair bit actually, its always fun to change things up. I don't get why people say no, it doesn't affect them if they don't want it to, besides GTA is an every game, implements from many genres combine to form one. Shooters, racers, adventure, action, vehicle combat, this is why so many love the game, there is sooo much variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriaan Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 One thing I would like to see is the return of the Vice City (PS2) feature whereby, when on foot, standing still, you could move the analog stick and it goes into a FPS view. So you could look around and enjoy the view! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_musica Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I wouldn't use a FPS driving view, I don't like them even in racing games. But I don't think it would be hard to add. And regarding the interior detail, you should only load on memory the interior of the car you're in, don't know technical stuff about consoles, but I think it could be loaded while the character is entering/starting the car. It would really add more realism if when you want to use your phone while driveing it takes the view of the road or it holds the phone in front of you not allowing to wiew the road. Although thinking that crashing is so common in GTA, the damage detail could be a bit of a problem, the windshield cracking (using a button to kick it off)... Well once you picture the idea you get tons more hahaha. But still, I don't think I would use it that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allhailkingryan Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I would love it! Not too hard to pull off, apart from making 200-odd interiors. Note this mod: Skip to 2:25 for car gameplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta_fan28 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Yeah I really wanna see a cockfit view on GTAV. See the interior of every vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwandilibro Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Only as an optional view so I'm not forced to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Having the option to switch to first person when driving vehicles, and even when running around on foot; would be great! The keyword though is "option" -- I wouldn't want a first person viewpoint to be standard in a Grand Theft Auto game as that just wouldn't be right, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar20124 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Having the option to switch to first person when driving vehicles, and even when running around on foot; would be great! The keyword though is "option" -- I wouldn't want a first person viewpoint to be standard in a Grand Theft Auto game as that just wouldn't be right, in my opinion. Yeah, I totally agree GTA is known for multiple third person camera options on foot. And even more in car. Like a camera on the hood of your car. And obviously for the FANTASTIC (automatic switching multiple)cinematic camera angles. Which can be performed instantly the first time in GTA IV with a touch of a button with B on the XBOX 360 controller. Not going through multiple camera views by pressing the select button for changing cameras a couple of times. You can also do a slowmotion if you click the left analog stick while in cinematic camera I made a topic about the cinematic camera improvement in GTA V. And I also opted for an OPTIONABLE (cinematic) first person / dashboard view I really hope Rockstar North will keep these camera options and improve on them unlike RDR with zero camera options. No cinematic camera while riding your horse yourself. Only with the stage coach could you see a cinematic camera. A huge letdown in RDR. Watching the back of your horse all the time gets boring quickly In fact, I know they will keep it in. The multiple cameras and even the GREAT cinematic camera are around since GTA III. And with SA they improved a bit with having the ability to change the camera view yourself while in cinematic camera with the right analog. And with GTA IV they improved on it even better Anyway, a first person view in car and on foot would be great Here are some other clips of first person mods for GTA IV on the PC: First person in car and on foot. First person in car with greatly improved textures Edited July 7, 2011 by Rockstar20124 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgcarva1 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I don't think it's necessary but it would be a nice addition to the gameplay. It wouldn't affect it too much though so it wouldn't cause too much trouble or affect people's opinions. If it;s not too much they could add it since it doesn't seem like it's too much trouble, if they don't add it it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20cent Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) I don't see why not...I don't use it but at the same time why do they have that action camera where it switches from the tire to a bird on a wire view??? I would think it makes more sense to have a first person view from the car....someone in this forum stated that this game is much more than a racing game and didn't need the first person view. I TOTALLY agree with you on GTA being much more than a racing game BUT GTA does have racing components. I mean the majority of your time you are in a vehicle...that's just my opinion tho Edited July 7, 2011 by 20cent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli's Prophecy Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 Only as an optional view so I'm not forced to use it. Yeah obviously it would be optional. Restricting the vehicle camera to only one view doesn't even make sense. @K^2 & Rafe Thank you for the great explanations!! As far as the time it would take to implement this goes.. Well they've already been working on this game for much longer than usual so maybe this was one of the new things they're trying to implement. Someone in this topic also mentioned how an early GTA IV screenshot showed the interior of a car so perhaps they had already planned to do this for GTA IV but just ended up taking it out due to time constraints? And I also see some people mentioning a complete 1st person view. I don't think that would fit in a GTA-like game tbh. First person view in vehicles would be great but anything more just wont feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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