Will GTA V Engine Compete?

[Slamman]

Former Gameboy creators were hired to make the PSP versions Liberty City Story and Vice City Stories, just so you know, that was not using RAGE or Euphoria

It's only being speculated based on the time and lack of announcement that GTA 5 or NeXt would bow on new consoles, with a new engine evolution, however, that's very much speculatory in my opin.

[Daplura]

Former Gameboy creators were hired to make the PSP versions Liberty City Story and Vice City Stories, just so you know, that was not using RAGE or Euphoria

It's only being speculated based on the time and lack of announcement that GTA 5 or NeXt would bow on new consoles, with a new engine evolution, however, that's very much speculatory in my opin.

Oh! thanks Slamman. I never know that much.

[Zee]

Unless theyve been working on a new graphics engine this time, the next GTA game will look exactly like gta4

[AirWolf856]

I found this quote interesting regarding the Rage engine:

 

 

Yes – to clarify, Max Payne 3 is powered by our new updated version of RAGE which includes our updated physics engine and graphics engine – while Euphoria is its behavior system. We’ve worked together with Natural Motion to build on behaviors used in GTAIV and Red Dead Redemption and then have further expanded on them specifically for Max Payne 3 with new behaviors like Shootdodge. This specially customized version of Euphoria’s behavior system works in close conjunction with our RAGE engine and is a huge part of Max Payne 3’s gameplay technology. The results are really amazing and build on Max Payne’s tradition of spectacular, balletic gun play.

 

So it would make sense that GTA V will probably be using an updated version of RAGE. If Rockstar has already invested the time and energy on this engine for Max Payne 3 then I would guess they would use that investment towards GTA V. It would be interesting to guess if they are waiting to complete Max Payne 3 before even beginning work on GTA V. This way the engine would have been updated and tested on another game. They could spend more time on the other things for GTA V, like artwork, voiceovers, animations, etc.

 

I think the big thing they will need to accomplish is to allow us into more buildings. Have more buildings furnished on the inside and enhance the engine to only render that when you get close. I would love to go inside any building and rob it or hide from the police or set an ambush. It will be interesting to see if their next version of RAGE can handle all this.

 

 

[Zee]

We shall see how improved it is, i remember how much they talked about VC looking different from GTA3 and complete overhaul but really it was just more PR nonesense.

[DTroll]

We shall see how improved it is, i remember how much they talked about VC looking different from GTA3 and complete overhaul but really it was just more PR nonesense.

I think it was an overhaul. Look at VC to III, VC looked way better with better driving physics... a pretty substantial upgrade for 2 years in the early 2000's.

[Rockstar20124]

 

We shall see how improved it is, i remember how much they talked about VC looking different from GTA3 and complete overhaul but really it was just more PR nonesense.

I think it was an overhaul. Look at VC to III, VC looked way better with better driving physics... a pretty substantial upgrade for 2 years in the early 2000's.

It was only 1 year from GTA III to VC Those were the days when Rockstar Games only needed 1(!!!) year to develop another GTA title

 

Also, I had a topic about GTA V graphics being dated if it would be released in October 2012 that was abruptly locked.

 

"Saints Row 4 being developed for Xbox 720... Could SR4 steal GTA V's thunder?"

 

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=488480

 

I definitely have fears that GTA V could look outdated if it were to be released October 2012 after the announcement earlier of the Xbox 720 at the E3 June 2012 because Saints Row 4 is being developed for that next gen console as we speak But there was already the Icenhancer PC mods which look much better then current gen consoles PS3 and 360.

 

If Rockstar North wants to keep up with Saints Rows 4 developer Volition and the Icenhancer PC mods or even better surpass them graphically they can only do that on the next gen Xbox 720 and PS4 possibly as well. Which means a 2013 release for GTA V on the Xbox 720 at the earliest

[Lynx2069]

I assume RAGE is better at streaming landscapes and has a dynamic lighting system then prior game engines.

Exactly. It allows for the streaming of textures and has the middleware built in. It allows Rockstar to use one development suite across their games. It makes development easier as developers learn the system and what works within its limits.

 

The RAGE engine is developed through R* San Diego. The inclusion of animals involves the engine handling multiple A.I. routines at once as GTA4 only handles peds and cars with umltiple states such as panic or aggro. Its really not a huge step but a very complicated task to coordinate and debug. Anyone ever see manbearpig in RDR? Thats a prime example of an A.I error.

[meson1]

One of the problems that GTA:IV's RAGE had was that it wasn't well optimized. I'm not just talking about the PC version either because we've seen people on here talking about how the console versions don't perform quite as slickly as we would normally expect them to. I suspect that they had to cut GTA:IV down in order to get it to "fit" on consoles performancewise.

 

Then when it was ported to PC, these problems prevented GTA:IV from scaling properly to take advantage of superior hardware.

 

But if we look at the hardware improvements that are likely to be incorporated into next generation consoles, it is reasonable to assume that we will see more processing units and perhaps an additional GPU type processor to handle physics processing.

 

So it's likely that RAGE will have to evolve. Perhaps beginning with redesigning it's fundamental architecture so that it is better able to scale, while at the same time optimizing it further to free up processing cycles to permit greater sophistication in AI, graphics, improvements to Euphoria and improvements to Bullet.

 

This would simplify the migration to next generation consoles and hopefully we'll see the benefits when it comes to scale it up for PC hardware.

 

Of course, all this is speculation. But we can only hope.

Edited October 14, 2011 by meson1

[adam_fozz]

You guys really that stupid?

 

The V engine will most probably be RAGE2, yes. Do you really think, that in todays age, they are going to release another title to the GTA pack using the same engine as IV?

 

Rockstar know fully well that would be a bad choice, RAGE with the 360 was new to rockstar, thats why IV had so many problems.

 

I can guarentee we wont even recognise the new engine, they have spent years developing this title which just adds to the fact: The engine will be completely transformed.

 

Red Dead Redemption uses RAGE, but there was a ton of changes made to the engine. Red Dead Redemption and IV don't compete, because Red Dead Redemption is performs flawlessly, whereas GTA doesn't.

 

Xbox360

The very fact that Rockstar Produced a more advanced game from the same engine supports the fact that they could use RAGE for the next GTA. As somebody mentioned earlier, this isnt to say that some of the other engines wont be improved or even swapped for more advanced versions. I believe that Rockstar could produce a new game, with a completely new feel whilst still utilizing the original Rage engine and I'm pretty sure that is what they'll do.

 

And to the person on above who likened the next GTA to SA or Vice city... you're insane!!! Look at the time-scales we are talking about here. The next game WILL be a new generation...but that DOESNT mean they have to use a new engine.

 

Adam_Fozz

[Reebokanonymous]

No worries, guys. I'm from the future.

 

 

Looks like RAGE to me.

[DlZZEE]

No worries, guys. I'm from the future.

 

 

Looks like RAGE to me.

It kinda doesn't look like RAGE to me, look at the car crash, it feels like the car that was hit was made from an empty box.

[jjwilson]

FFS, GTA 5 looks amazing and from the looks of it, the city will act and feel move alive, which will also add to the graphics and it just makes it feel more real.

[ko3219]

No worries, guys. I'm from the future.

 

 

Looks like RAGE to me.

It kinda doesn't look like RAGE to me, look at the car crash, it feels like the car that was hit was made from an empty box.

the game is not finished and if your from the future show us the first mission

[ViceCityFTW]

Rockstar's current engine already rivals those other engines you've listed. 

Lets not get crazy lol.

Yea, its actually better. RAGE engine, when used by right, talented guys like R* is second to none when it comes to features required for open world game. Try making GTA V in UE3 and you will see what I mean...