Push the Envelope or Avoid Controversy?

[Sam998]

I think they should keep it up, and break boundaries. Even if it ends up hurting their sales, it would help the industry as a whole.

 

On the flip side, avoiding controversy may end up helping Rockstar lay low for awhile so they don't start getting smacked with AO ratings and such.

 

What do you think?

[HipHopHeadSeb]

PUSH THE FUKING ENVELOPE!

[Mister Pink]

I say push the envelope. I thought IV didn't really do that except maybe for the prostitute animations being more realistic. Nothing shocked me in that game like previous GTA's have.

 

I hope Rockstar can really go beyond and push the boundaries, create some debate and moreso just make a game that makes people go "WHOAH" can't believe that did that!

[Psychotic Mind]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

[HipHopHeadSeb]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

rape would get the game banned.

[Sam998]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

rape would get the game banned.

Most likely.

 

I also think that they shouldn't be controversial for the sole sake of being controversial, but being a little more extreme here and there, not holding anything back, stuff like that I think could really add to the game.

[Mister Pink]

Not to turn this in to a topic on rape but I think if it was to make it in the game it would be a cutscene and the perpetrator will no doubt have to be avenged by you or someone else. Otherwise there's be no hope of it in the game. It couldn't be glorified. Although if it's in films I don't see why it can't be in a game, so long as you are not controlling the player doing it.

 

There's no point of it in the game unless it's detrimental to the story of development of one's character.

[Sam998]

Not to turn this in to a topic on rape but I think if it was to make it in the game it would be a cutscene and the perpetrator will no doubt have to be avenged by you or someone else. Otherwise there's be no hope of it in the game. It couldn't be glorified. Although if it's in films I don't see why it can't be in a game, so long as you are not controlling the player doing it.

 

There's no point of it in the game unless it's detrimental to the story of development of one's character.

I agree. Brutal revenge is fun though.

[Zee]

Of COURSE they should!!!! DUH!!!! Isnt that WHY we play GTA in the first place????? Pushing the envelope? Going Pedal to the Metal? isnt that the spirit of GTA? of Tommy Vercetti? or have I just completely lost it? GTA4 was already heavily censored and watered down enough! ("Sorry!" when niko/luis/johnny hit someone? are you f*cking kidding me?) Rockstar needs to go back to its roots and bad.

[fgcarva1]

I think they should definitely push it, I personally don't feel like seeing gore in GTA. Maybe a torture scene, sure, why the hell not. But walking up to people and making them explode with a punch (like SRIII) is too much. I say add more drug and sexual references, and the use of drugs like in SA. Pushing the envelope is always better, but not necessary. I was satisfied with IV and felt it got the job done.

[Jay Murdoch]

I actually think they should have more of the sex and drugs theme. There just wasn't enough in IV so I think GTA NEXT needs more of it....with a twist.

[Magic_Al]

GTA isn't Manhunt. It's a lighter tone. Rockstar releases since GTA IV were more graphic with violence and nudity, but did nothing beyond what mainstream movies have done. I don't think Rockstar is trying to test what will get censored but seeks equality for video games next to other media.

[dethbiker]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

[Kwandilibro]

Push the envelope to an extent.

 

I do think that more gore, bodies being blown/ripped apart would be nice. And the ability to sell drugs, I don't know why R*'s avoiding it, but we need that too. And include nudity, since the label clearly says "nudity". Sex and bare bodies should be allowed, at least occasionally (let's not turn this into a sex simulator though). But rape, besides the fact of being really f*cked up even to hear about let alone to simulate in a game, would only cause more trouble. I don't even think we should see rape in cutscenes. Now torture, meh. Doesn't seem necessary, but I guess in cutscenes maybe. But whatever they do, leave kids out of it. Anything with children will certainly get the game banned.

[mrpain]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

You haven't played Red Dead Redemption or LA Noire haven't you? In RDR, there's a nude sex scene. In LA Noire, there a dead naked bitches everywhere.

 

I say push the hell outta that envelope, but in this modern gaming times we live in, what else is there to push?

 

F-words are so commonly used in video games and nudity/sex scenes have been more common these days.

[dethbiker]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

You haven't played Red Dead Redemption or LA Noire haven't you? In RDR, there's a nude sex scene. In LA Noire, there a dead naked bitches everywhere.

 

I say push the hell outta that envelope, but in this modern gaming times we live in, what else is there to push?

 

F-words are so commonly used in video games and nudity/sex scenes have been more common these days.

I've played RDR,dude,besides,the guy I replied to wanted to actually have the player rape women for no reason at all.I don't know about you,but I personally don't find raping as an activity a mentally stable person would want to do.

[Long_Haired_Boy]

Well After Monday when the supreme court has their ruling on violent video games I think they should PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND MAIL THAT MF!!! .

[Sam998]

Well After Monday when the supreme court has their ruling on violent video games I think they should PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND MAIL THAT MF!!! .

Wait what's happening?

 

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@Mrpain and Deathbiker- There was sex in RDR, but not rape. I think unless we get some sort of awesome revenge like cutting the guys dick off, rape doesn't have much of a place in GTA.

[mrpain]

Well After Monday when the supreme court has their ruling on violent video games I think they should PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND MAIL THAT MF!!!  .

Wait what's happening?

 

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@Mrpain and Deathbiker- There was sex in RDR, but not rape. I think unless we get some sort of awesome revenge like cutting the guys dick off, rape doesn't have much of a place in GTA.

I was more relating to the nudity. Plus don't forget, dead naked bitches in LA Noire in which you get to inspect their bodies.

 

I love saying dead naked bitches. Dead naked bitches Dead naked bitches Dead naked bitches

[sonnyBlack]

I really don't see how having rape in a video game could be seen as a good thing. If that's what they'd have to do to push the envelope, then I'd rather they not bother. The series doesn't need stuff like that, nor does it need some funky sex minigames or anything else that just sounds awkward to have to sit through while playing a game. Even worse if you imagine something like that on Xbox connect. Talk about awkward.

 

GTAs done enough already to push the envelope with offensive content as it is, I really don't see a need to continue that any further. It's a great series and it should be able to keep the public's interests off its own merits (the still fun gameplay), and not have to resort to adding senseless controversial content as a seemingly last ditch effort to try to show the public it can still be edgy.

 

Now's the time to just work on improving the game's fun factor, and not just try to add any further shock value to the series with more and more disturbing crap. You can only take it so far before your game becomes a jumbled mess of offensive content before it becomes less and less appealing to players as more crap is added to it just to spread more controversy.

 

[AB0333]

Push the envelope.

 

If someone has something against violence, he/she doesn't have to play GTA.

R* needs to keep going on its own path, and needs to keep doing what it's doing. Make a big bang, a contrast which will separate them from others, as always.

 

It's a benefit for everyone - for players, who only want to see action, and creators who will realize a huge profit if V makes a big bang, leaving other trademarks in dust.

Edited June 25, 2011 by AB0333

[Psychotic Mind]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

You haven't played Red Dead Redemption or LA Noire haven't you? In RDR, there's a nude sex scene. In LA Noire, there a dead naked bitches everywhere.

 

I say push the hell outta that envelope, but in this modern gaming times we live in, what else is there to push?

 

F-words are so commonly used in video games and nudity/sex scenes have been more common these days.

I've played RDR,dude,besides,the guy I replied to wanted to actually have the player rape women for no reason at all.I don't know about you,but I personally don't find raping as an activity a mentally stable person would want to do.

You stab, shoot, and run over random people for no reason at all, what is the difference? It's a game about crime, the door should be open to anything they can legally add into the game. If it's too much for you to handle there is always the Sims to play.

[GTA_stu]

They should have beastiality involving a kitten and puppy threesome rape, but only if done tastefully.

[Sam998]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

You haven't played Red Dead Redemption or LA Noire haven't you? In RDR, there's a nude sex scene. In LA Noire, there a dead naked bitches everywhere.

 

I say push the hell outta that envelope, but in this modern gaming times we live in, what else is there to push?

 

F-words are so commonly used in video games and nudity/sex scenes have been more common these days.

I've played RDR,dude,besides,the guy I replied to wanted to actually have the player rape women for no reason at all.I don't know about you,but I personally don't find raping as an activity a mentally stable person would want to do.

You stab, shoot, and run over random people for no reason at all, what is the difference? It's a game about crime, the door should be open to anything they can legally add into the game. If it's too much for you to handle there is always the Sims to play.

Running over peds can be fun, raping them never will be.

[Kwandilibro]

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

You haven't played Red Dead Redemption or LA Noire haven't you? In RDR, there's a nude sex scene. In LA Noire, there a dead naked bitches everywhere.

 

I say push the hell outta that envelope, but in this modern gaming times we live in, what else is there to push?

 

F-words are so commonly used in video games and nudity/sex scenes have been more common these days.

I've played RDR,dude,besides,the guy I replied to wanted to actually have the player rape women for no reason at all.I don't know about you,but I personally don't find raping as an activity a mentally stable person would want to do.

You stab, shoot, and run over random people for no reason at all, what is the difference? It's a game about crime, the door should be open to anything they can legally add into the game. If it's too much for you to handle there is always the Sims to play.

If you want to torture and rape people, you go right ahead Mr. Manson. But as for the rest of us, we'd like to actually be able to, you know, play the game. Like without it being banned.

[dethbiker]

 

Push it. Kind of slacked off in 4 I felt with the violence. Decapitation would be a start. Maybe add torture or rape. There should also be more violent missions. I can't recall which mission it was but there was one mission in 4 near the end where you kidnap the women thats selling that pink car. She gets driven to some apartments and tied up and you get to abuse her. Im thinking for 5 something along the lines of drug deals+chainsaw+decapitation.

what the f*ck!WHAT DO YOU FIND COOL ABOUT RAPE YOU f*ckING LUNATIC!?

You haven't played Red Dead Redemption or LA Noire haven't you? In RDR, there's a nude sex scene. In LA Noire, there a dead naked bitches everywhere.

 

I say push the hell outta that envelope, but in this modern gaming times we live in, what else is there to push?

 

F-words are so commonly used in video games and nudity/sex scenes have been more common these days.

I've played RDR,dude,besides,the guy I replied to wanted to actually have the player rape women for no reason at all.I don't know about you,but I personally don't find raping as an activity a mentally stable person would want to do.

You stab, shoot, and run over random people for no reason at all, what is the difference? It's a game about crime, the door should be open to anything they can legally add into the game. If it's too much for you to handle there is always the Sims to play.

I think I know what you mean,but raping is just a whole new level of pervertion and craziness and I think that you're the only one here that wants to do it,seriously bro,sheesh.

[HipHopHeadSeb]

hes just trolling about the rape and torture thing i suspect anyway lol

 

EDIT : were did the poll go?

Edited June 25, 2011 by HipHopHeadSeb

[Andrew]

Poll removed, this is a forum use it to discuss the options not just get a yes / no answer.

[TrevorSpeed914]

GTA isn't Manhunt. It's a lighter tone. Rockstar releases since GTA IV were more graphic with violence and nudity, but did nothing beyond what mainstream movies have done. I don't think Rockstar is trying to test what will get censored but seeks equality for video games next to other media.

 

The problem with GTA is that they have pushed it far enough that, in some areas, they can't really push it much further. Rockstar is about making a good, entertaining game; not pushing the envelope with each release, unless one means by innovation.

[Akhi11eus]

I think they could add some edginess without getting into too much trouble with the media. As in many games now, including R*'s extremely successful Red Dead Redemption, the progression of the protagonist's characteristics are driven, albeit in most cases only one of two ways (negative or positive). With the GTA series' pension for groundbreaking, and at times, gritty insights into city life, a combination of this "grit factor" and honor system could expand the GTA gamer's possibilities. this has an opportunity to really make V an edgy game without making it all too controversial by letting the gamer be as evil or angelic as he/she wants. In Red Dead Redemption, the amount of evil one could enact was limited to shooting helpless villagers and their donkeys. With GTA's immersive gameplay involving the seedy underbellies of our favorite urban areas, the potential for some wild and disturbing experiences are there. So, as for the answer to the OP, (should R* essentially go all out, or save its sales) i think it would be more valuable to the game to widen the scope of possibilities instead of, as other posters may desire, take the game down to some raunchy animalistic level in order to "break ground." It simply isn't necessary! and for R* developers to head that way, it would mean the compromising of the series and limit sales. and of course, without sales, there are no more games!