Gangsta story or simple Story like GTA IV

[DarrinPA]

I didn't really like Samuel L. Jacksons and Chris Pens corrupt police officers characters either.

What??? Samuel L Jackson was PERFECT for the roll. Who would do a better job?

 

 

I didn't even realise that SA had a story...

 

Not only did it HAVE a story, about 70 - 75% of the missions were based on trues stories that happened.

 

 

Rampart Scandal

 

Chrash = Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums

 

Riots

 

 

 

 

 

[lukb13]

@Rockstar20124 You have clearly forgotten the mission Green Sabre Where Ryder, Smoke, Tennpenney, and Pulaski are revealing the car that was used to kill CJ's mom. In Drive-Thru Ryder says "People say they saw a Green Sabre doing the work and then speeding away". A logical argument is impossible against San Andreas. IV had more people buying the consoles because more people have consoles, and people prefer buying new consoles to get newer games. PC is where it is tested to the max what people like more. San Andreas has the biggest modding community, multiplayer community, etc.

[Rockstar20124]

 

I didn't really like Samuel L. Jacksons and Chris Pens corrupt police officers characters either.

What??? Samuel L Jackson was PERFECT for the roll. Who would do a better job?

 

 

I didn't even realise that SA had a story...

 

Not only did it HAVE a story, about 70 - 75% of the missions were based on trues stories that happened.

 

 

Rampart Scandal

 

Chrash = Community_Resources_Against_Street_Hoodlums

 

Riots

I thought they were annoying as hell. And not in a good way. But Samuel L. Jackson probably did the best he could with the material. I really like him since I saw him in Pulp Fiction. And I would have loved him being a friend or father figure or something of CJ. Not the irritating arch enemy who apparently needs this small time crook CJ for some very complex dirty missions. It didn't feel very believable. Why not hire a professional anomynous hitman to take out some witnesses and FBI agents? If CJ got killed they could link him to Tenpenny right? Anyway, the game and story of SA were overambitious. Like someone mentioned earlier, the story almost collapsed after leaving Los Santos. The countryside missions were boring. And when you finally get to San Fierro the story doesn't get much better either. San Fierro wasn't a great reproduction of San Francisco. It felt way to small. I personally liked San Francisco of Driver on the PS1 better. Then you leave again through the desert. Again pretty boring. Then you have to do some weird special agent like missions for James Woods. Which again is not believable and quite ridicilous. Why use an unprofessional like CJ to do such highly important, expensive and dangerous missions. It makes no sense at all. Luckily the story does get a little bit better in Las Venturas. And at least the location is pretty great Las Venturas is definitely my favorite city in SA Then the corrupt agents show up again after you almost forgot about them. And the circle is complete when you head back to Los Santos. With maybe too much different story lines and cities, maybe they should have ditched San Fierro, and overall at least the gangsta story felt watered down. Like a stretched tv season story spread over 20+ episodes instead of 12 great episodes without filler episodes. Still for it's time SA was pretty great I suppose. Well, not the story, but the gameplay, vehicles, cheats, vehicle missions etc

 

Interesting facts about the Rampart Scandal and Rodney King / economic crisis / high unemployment Los Angeles Riots Anyway, it doesn't make the watered down gangsta story better in SA.

[Rockstar20124]

@Rockstar20124 You have clearly forgotten the mission Green Sabre Where Ryder, Smoke, Tennpenney, and Pulaski are revealing the car that was used to kill CJ's mom. In Drive-Thru Ryder says "People say they saw a Green Sabre doing the work and then speeding away". A logical argument is impossible against San Andreas. IV had more people buying the consoles because more people have consoles, and people prefer buying new consoles to get newer games. PC is where it is tested to the max what people like more. San Andreas has the biggest modding community, multiplayer community, etc.

Yeah, I kind of remember. It remains very vague. Who the hell pulled the trigger that got her killed? One of them? Who then exactly? Maybe that's the point. That this kind of revenge and violence is pointless. You can't get her back.

But I still think Rockstar North should have been much more clear about this. And I would have killed the coward who pulled the trigger much slower going medieval style on him as Ving Rhames said in Pulp Fiction

 

Yeah, on the PC, SA is very impressive. Not just an online multiplayer mod. But also a fantastic level and even better Design Your Own Mission creator On the PS2 and XBOX you didn't have those options though Despite it's mediocre overambitious watered down gangsta story SA is still a great GAME

Edited June 30, 2011 by Rockstar20124

[lukb13]

Gangsta stories should be more accurate to style. First runthrough of San Andreas is more believable than second go, and third... True. Second go is a lot more fun though and you gain experience from playing the game. The second go feels more like how CJ would act than the first go. Street gangs have more power than mafias, as do cartels. The story in IV was simple, even on first run. San Andreas was complex with so much stuff happening to CJ. Vice City was also complex with so much places.

[matajuegos]

i think it should be more of a Mexican Cartel story mode because they seriously kill in broad daylight. you can look it up on youtube if you want lol. but yeah and it should also be like red dead redemption it should be in Mexico AND in USA (California) because there is alot of drug trafficing and senceless killing in the San Diego/Mexican area thats my opinion i hope they go along with it

yes, mister

 

 

concuerdo contigo xD

[Finn 7 five 11]

After reading through everyones comments, i realized that everyone is going one way/the other.

 

If i want it anyway, i want half and half, i am not certain i want to see a very ghetto style GTA like San Andreas were you end up right on top, but i don't want GTA IV either were you start and end as a bag of dirt.

 

I would like for my character to be in a gang, maybe a Mexican gang for a change, or an Asian gang, but the whole game isn't quite devoted to the gang, every few missions might be gang related, but others can be more personal, like in San Andreas when you do missions with Cesar, they are not exactly for the gang, they are more for Cesar or CJ's personal benefit.

 

I loved San Andreas the first time through, but once i played it a few more times i realized that Cesar seemed to be the only character that seemed like a real person and had more behind him, Toreno was portrayed well, and Tenpenny after that apart from those 3 most of the other characters were quite 2D.

 

GTA IV's characters in general were more in depth none of the characters seemed 2D, but they were annoying when they talked a bit too much, and were too personal, there was little humor, Roman and Dmitri (again the best mate and the antagonist) were the best characters, i felt that with the other characters there was so much excessive dialogue in cutscenes and when driving, they tried too hard to make characters in depth.

[Bobby_Williams]

Gangsta

 

 

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas: 2

[DarrinPA]

Why not hire a professional anomynous hitman to take out some witnesses and FBI agents? If CJ got killed they could link him to Tenpenny right?

They don't need to hire a special hitman because if the gangsta they are using gets killed, NOBODY cares, it's just another dead gangbanger that's off the street. It the perfect plan because gangbangers are disposable in the eyes of the cops, society, even the other gangmembers won't do anything because they were secretly against him. Again, this is what L.A. police truely did in real life. Plus a professional hit against these people would look suspicious, getting killed by gangmembers was common in LA, R* did a great job of keeping it real.

 

Nobody could link CJ to Tenpenny without Tenpenny already having evidence to blackmail them. Toreno was probably the only one who could have taken Tenpenny down without also ending up in jail, but that wasn't his concern.

 

If you haven't seen

[this was not included in the game, it is a seperate thing. Make sure to watch it, it may give you a better idea of the whole story.

 

I do agree that the story was hard to follow midway through SF but a 2nd play through made everything clear to me.

 

 

 

 

[Rockstar20124]

 

If you haven't seen

[this was not included in the game, it is a seperate thing. Make sure to watch it, it may give you a better idea of the whole story.

 

I do agree that the story was hard to follow midway through SF but a 2nd play through made everything clear to me.

Thanks for the tip I have watched it entirely. Really strange this "The Introduction" was only available with the special edition of SA only for PS2. I have only played the regular (xbox) version. Yeah, it makes it definitely clear who fired the shots that got CJ's mother killed. Some Ballas. Still a pity you couldn't track those bastards down somewhere in the story. Or maybe as an epilogue after the chase with Tenpenny? They should be killed even if it wasn't their goal to kill the mother but Sweet. Live (and die) with the consequences. You are responsible for your own actions. Intentionable or not. Maybe a good lesson or morale for the game? Anyway, just like somebody else said, I really would have preferred a full gangsta story in (a bigger scale) Los Santos then going to San Fierro. I also enjoyed the beginning way more then the middle. But I did really like Las Venturas. It's the most colorful city maybe ever in a GTA game because of the special model international landmarks they use in real life for those hotels and casino's. Like piramyds and stuff. And obviously the flashy big lights from the casinos at night I don't think I will ever play the story a second time. But now and then even although I finished the story some time ago I do like to come back and fly in the Hydra or drive the Quadbike or Vortex and such

[ahash08]

Well, I played The ballad of gay tony and it is quiet good as well better than normal GTA Iv, like it got more action and more things to do thats what i want and want more in next GTA V...

[SunshineBoy]

A simple revenge type story would suit. I think R* should focus more on characters background stories.

[ahash08]

True, They should focus more on Character background stories....

[SunshineBoy]

True, They should focus more on Character background stories....

More likely than that of San Andreas, a cool and ordinary story which forces character into certain circumstances.

[No Limits]

SA is my favorite GTA for a number of reasons. 1 was the game had a vibe to it that stuck throughout the whole game. The game was not about the hood or gang life. It was about in my eyes showing 3 different sides to 1 story and showing those different sides in each location. The gang and hood business obviously didn't mesh with anything past Los Santos the same way the casino and mob lifestlye didn't mesh with anything past Las Venturas and the various more open things that happened in San Fierro wouldn't fit rite anywhere else. Every location CJ went to he adapted because that's what R* intended with the storyline. thhe main elements were always present and never changed despite the gameplay aspects. It was always about saving and keeping what was left of CJs family together as well as discovering how your mother was killed and how the vast sums of money that was open for anybody with the crack epidemic changed friends into enemies, how cops tried to react to these changes and even how that trade influence was widespread across the game including the drug routes to and from San Fierro. All the other stuff like Area 69 was for entertainment values and never really took away from the overall story.

 

I will say however I anticipated SA much more for what it originally was shown as in Game Informer with it's unveiling of you being a young gang member in the streets of Los Santos. I remember that cover story talking about how you and 3 members of the hood could perform cordinated home invasions and how the story just focused on that 1992 LA vibe with gang violence, police corruption, racial tensions and riots. but once more of the game was revealed and more info started coming out I started wanting SA even more when there was originally supposed to be turf all across the state, you could build and manage your own casino, you ran your gang and all the other stuff that didn't make it to the game. If it weren't for SA all the stuff that people were so excited about for IV and all the pre release speculation which mostly were things that were in SA being enhanced or new features that didn't make it to SA or were new features never in a GTA game, that speculation may have never happened. Hell some people were disappointed that 4 didn't follow the SA path. And its not the highest selling GTA for no reason.

 

But all i want for 5 is a good story in the criminal underworld. The "gangsta" life that some of you have been so negative about is a life that you really don't care about and obviously know very little about other then pre conceived thoughts and what you read or hear. However that life is much deeper then what some of you have been saying and those 25+ year conflicts have meanings it's just that the majority of the 1s involved now in that conflict weren't involved when it 1st occured and their only reason for keeping it going is because the 1s before them did. However the gang culture is much more about money then disputes and every faction of crime rather street gangs or organized all work together in 1 way or another. A city like LA for instance is ran by street gangs. there is organized crime presence from various groups but the street gangs run that city. However those street gangs need guns and they get guns from groups that have guns. OMG, Russian and Asian organized crime. they need drugs so they get their drugs from Mexican Cartels, Asian groups and other traffickers. It's all just 1 process. with that said the storyline should be based off the area and what R* are trying to tell not off of a theme. If the game was in Los Santos then there is no story to be told other then from street gang perspective. The FBI, DEA, LA County and other agencies raid LA street gangs yearly black, hispanic, asian and so forth. Now of the game was in Vice there is numerous options. You could go Cuban gangster, or Haitian, or Colombian, Jamaican, Italian and so forth.

[Toup]

How about a new and different thing? Why am I posting anyway... Any GTA will do.

[Official General]

 

But all i want for 5 is a good story in the criminal underworld. The "gangsta" life that some of you have been so negative about is a life that you really don't care about and obviously know very little about other then pre conceived thoughts and what you read or hear. However that life is much deeper then what some of you have been saying and those 25+ year conflicts have meanings it's just that the majority of the 1s involved now in that conflict weren't involved when it 1st occured and their only reason for keeping it going is because the 1s before them did. However the gang culture is much more about money then disputes and every faction of crime rather street gangs or organized all work together in 1 way or another. A city like LA for instance is ran by street gangs. there is organized crime presence from various groups but the street gangs run that city. However those street gangs need guns and they get guns from groups that have guns. OMG, Russian and Asian organized crime. they need drugs so they get their drugs from Mexican Cartels, Asian groups and other traffickers. It's all just 1 process. with that said the storyline should be based off the area and what R* are trying to tell not off of a theme. If the game was in Los Santos then there is no story to be told other then from street gang perspective. The FBI, DEA, LA County and other agencies raid LA street gangs yearly black, hispanic, asian and so forth. Now of the game was in Vice there is numerous options. You could go Cuban gangster, or Haitian, or Colombian, Jamaican, Italian and so forth.

@ No Limits

 

I definitely agree with you on this quote 100 per cent. What you are saying here is what I've been saying all along. It don't matter whether one is talking about street gangs, Mafia, or Mafia-style criminal groups, drug cartels etc - it's all organized crime, pure and simple. Organized crime is organized crime. All gangs and criminal organizations that have a main objective to primarily make money and profit from illegal activities will come under the category of organized crime. But the main problem here is that some people on here with lesser intelligence seem to think that organized crime only refers to criminal groups that deal mostly with white collar crimes and also criminal groups with members that like to generally wear nice suits with their guns tucked inside, smoke cigars, ride around expensive, executive, chaffeur-driven cars, and reside in some luxury downtown building suite.

 

And you are definitely right about the fact that most criminal groups in the USA are somehow inter-linked with one another. All of this, is something a certain bunch of guys on here need to understand.

 

@ Silentype

 

Thanks for the comment man.

Edited July 5, 2011 by Official General

[MikeWh]

Gangsta - never again. Please, never again. It was cool for the first 5 minutes, then it turned into a pointless story and they had to make the side missions and things more whacky to make up for a lack of narrative.

 

Nice PM I received:

 

firstly, the developper make what they want if they want to make a gangsta "story" they will do it and i think they don't care of the pointless opinion from a scarface/vice city fan type ...

 

 

secondly, if you don't like a gansta type storyline without giving a real-depth opinion (with arguments) don't simply post. and you will no lost any credibility...

 

 

The subject was 'grew up kid'.

 

Other than the wrong tenses, terrible grammar and bad spelling; I am deeply offended that my maturity is being brought into question when I make a valid point. The storyline of GTA San Andreas was almost non-existent. It was dragged out for too long and because of that some missions bore no significance to the outcome of the story and there was no narrative cohesion. In fact, I'd go so far as to suggest most of the missions were thrown in to beef the game up.

Edited July 5, 2011 by MikeWh

[SmoothGetaway]

Call me crazy but I found the GTA4 story anything but simple. Then again I also think that Niko and Co would mop the floor with CJ and his crew.

 

I'd actually prefer an even more complex story with more decisions, with more time spent "looking over your shoulder" so to speak. In other words I'd like to be constantly wondering if some of my 'friends' were going to be be backstabbing bitches at some point.

[thaturtlelover]

id like to c one where u start in prison and make shanks or await a short stent in prison then hit the streets or one comeing from the top

[spicev]

i want it to be crazy like San Andreas, And i hope they bring the customization and gang aspects back

[CheesyJ]

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

[Finn 7 five 11]

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

Well actually the intro movie adds a lot more depth to the story (San Andreas, i very highly recommend watching it.

 

Here is P1 -

Here is P2 -

 

Those two are the best quality ones.

[CheesyJ]

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

Well actually the intro movie adds a lot more depth to the story (San Andreas, i very highly recommend watching it.

 

Here is P1 -

Here is P2 -

 

Those two are the best quality ones.

I'm not saying that the game lacks any depth what so ever, as the story isn't bad at all, but what I'm saying is that the story is nowhere near as developed as that of GTA 4 and the whole gangster story is not very original.

[Silentype]

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

When it boils down to it, both gta 4 and sa's storylines are about revenge, so your comment about more complexity in gta 4 needs to be elaborated on.(and then I'll probably/possibly give you an instance/parallel from gta sa, and vc, and gta 3, cause they're basically all the same, structurally that is.)

[CheesyJ]

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

When it boils down to it, both gta 4 and sa's storylines are about revenge, so your comment about more complexity in gta 4 needs to be elaborated on.(and then I'll probably/possibly give you an instance/parallel from gta sa, and vc, and gta 3, cause they're basically all the same, structurally that is.)

That is true, but the story of GTA was something that I found interesting and different in a way I didn't feel with San Andreas.

[Silentype]

 

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

When it boils down to it, both gta 4 and sa's storylines are about revenge, so your comment about more complexity in gta 4 needs to be elaborated on.(and then I'll probably/possibly give you an instance/parallel from gta sa, and vc, and gta 3, cause they're basically all the same, structurally that is.)

That is true, but the story of GTA was something that I found interesting and different in a way I didn't feel with San Andreas.

In what way?(details would be nice.) Also when you say "GTA" do you mean gta4 or all the gtas without a.... you know.

[CheesyJ]

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

When it boils down to it, both gta 4 and sa's storylines are about revenge, so your comment about more complexity in gta 4 needs to be elaborated on.(and then I'll probably/possibly give you an instance/parallel from gta sa, and vc, and gta 3, cause they're basically all the same, structurally that is.)

That is true, but the story of GTA was something that I found interesting and different in a way I didn't feel with San Andreas.

In what way?(details would be nice.) Also when you say "GTA" do you mean gta4 or all the gtas without a.... you know.

Sorry for not being very clear in my post. When saying GTA, I meant to say GTA 4. I should have been clearer than that.

 

I think that the story was original and unique in its own way. You don't really get a lot of stories that revolve around a Serbian immigrant going to America. Of course you do have the whole American dream thing which foreigners travel to America for, but it hasn't been explored with Eastern European's a lot in either game or film.

 

San Andreas could maybe be described as more original than the average gangster story, however at the end of the day that is what it is. It is an avenue which has been explored hundreds of times.

[Silentype]

 

I would much rather see a good story like we witnessed with GTA 4. The story of San Andreas may have been a blast, but I guarantee you that if I put my mind to it, I could quite easily create a game like it: well the sotryline at least. If anything, the gangsta story is simple.

 

I thought the story of GTA 4 was so much better and a lot more complex than the one we witnessed on San Andreas. If you asked me to create a story as good as that, I think I would really struggler to do that, as it was a superb storyline.

When it boils down to it, both gta 4 and sa's storylines are about revenge, so your comment about more complexity in gta 4 needs to be elaborated on.(and then I'll probably/possibly give you an instance/parallel from gta sa, and vc, and gta 3, cause they're basically all the same, structurally that is.)

That is true, but the story of GTA was something that I found interesting and different in a way I didn't feel with San Andreas.

In what way?(details would be nice.) Also when you say "GTA" do you mean gta4 or all the gtas without a.... you know.

Sorry for not being very clear in my post. When saying GTA, I meant to say GTA 4. I should have been clearer than that.

 

I think that the story was original and unique in its own way. You don't really get a lot of stories that revolve around a Serbian immigrant going to America. Of course you do have the whole American dream thing which foreigners travel to America for, but it hasn't been explored with Eastern European's a lot in either game or film.

 

San Andreas could maybe be described as more original than the average gangster story, however at the end of the day that is what it is. It is an avenue which has been explored hundreds of times.

Your absolutely right, and the gangster/gangsta theme has been explored numerous times on tv and in movies, but to explore these themes in a video game is an experience, that is in my opinion more immersive and better than the rest. So yeah, while the themes have been explored before, the video game medium gives a fuller, different, and overall better experience than t.v. or movies and is necessary to explore in that format.(in my opinion.)

Edited July 9, 2011 by Silentype

[rmisdice]

I will admit that the gangsta story turned me off in GTA: SA, however the Mafia type stories and revenge stories are getting repetitive as well.

 

How about this kind of story? the main story involves you playing as a character who wants to take over the city, they always make the stories about wanting the good life, what if the character wants more? a greedy character could make the story more appealing.

Edited March 21, 2012 by rmisdice