AceRay Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 And again, Miamivicecity posts the best post the topic. No offence to anyone else, some were close, but you take the cake. I don't see how GTA4 was simple. There were some very complex characters in it I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long_Haired_Boy Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The main reason I disliked San Andreas was because of all of this hard 'Gangsta' sh*t. I much preferred IV because Niko was actually a character you could connect with, whereas CJ was just annoying. The story in IV was hardly simple, it was, as a user above has pointed out, a complex plot of revenge and the pursuit for happiness. I didn't even realise that SA had a story... You saying San Andreas didnt have a story is silly. You just couldnt connect with the game because the character was black. GTA 4 WAS A DEAD END STORY TO ME. DRIVE HERE KILL HIM, STEAL THIS, PROTECT THIS. SAN ANDREAS WAS STARTING FROM NOTHING AND THE GAME REWARD YOU FOR PUTTING IN WORK AND DOING THINGS. I COMPLETE GTA 4 AND ALL I GOT WAS MORE DLC. But niko's character had more personality...I'm not trying to convince you that niko was a better character but what made you think CJ was a better? Niko started off with nothing and basically ended with nothing (depending on the final choice u made at the end) and it made for a more realistic character. Granted CJ was hella fun to play as in San Andreas lol but I just dont see how he was a better character. I'm not doubting your choice nor do I disrespect it...just curious that's all Your right, I meant GTA 4 gameplay. The story was great! CJ and Niko were both the same despite their skin colors and nationality. They both came from somewhere different in hopes of making a change. A "Maybe here things will be different" attitude. Even thought CJ left to Liberty in the first place. I just think CJ had more on his shoulders with the corrupted cops and other gangs. His choices affected the game more. San Andreas to me cater to every one except the [pre-programmed prejudiced people(People who never met a black person but assume there all the same because the TV says so. ). Also, I dont see how gangs and gangstas in GTA were such a bad thing ever since San Andreas, apparently no one understands perception. Wasnt Tommy V(Vice City) crew called The Vercetti Gang? but I digress... Im no way in any shape or form saying Niko sucked compared to CJ. GTA 4 was alot more depressing at times because I wanted to give Niko that American Dream! I would of killed any one to get it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blow-job Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Giving replies and inserting quotes by editing your earlier posts is annoying and confusing. Mind what you're doing yourself when criticizing others. On topic; I'd like the protagonist's story to be one where he's near the top of his game. Be it gangster or 'gangsta'. Have the character's story start where he's in a similar position to Tommy Vercetti at the very end of Vice City – new big-shot, with some power, notoriety etc but still vulnerable in some ways with a lot of enemies. PS that comment about working class black guys was actually racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentype Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) those fake-ass gangster stories ARE simple. R* couldn't make much of it in san andreas and added much crazy sh*t like area69 because gangsta (which are just lower-class of black people and not italians in 1930 new york) stories are bland and boring. gta iv story wasnt simple, it was about revenge and going for non-existant american dream. here's my 2 cents also, DarrinPA, please contribute more than one word next time, with reasons why yes or why not. And to OP too, you have only one sentence which ends with multiple dots so it looks even more unfinished. Supreme Team, Black Mafia, Black Mafia Family(BMF), "Pistol Pete" Rollack, Midget Molley, Romper Room Gang, Frank Matthews, Teddy Roe, The Best Friends(Detroit), "Maserati Rick" Carter, Demetrius Holloway, Young Boyz Inc.(Y.B.I.), The Chambers Brothers, Larry Hoover/Gangster Disciples, Jeff Fort(crime leader who plotted with Libya to blow up buildings in Chicago. sounds real bland & boring to me), Angelo Roberts(4 corner hustlers), Willie Lloyd, Lorenzo "Fat Cat" Nichols & Pappy Mason, Felix Mitchell/69 mob, Aaron Jones, Dino & Troy Smith, Darryl Whiting/New York Boyz.(I could go on, but the point is, you and a host of others like you on this forum apparently have not the slightest clue about asian, latino or any other "persons of color" involved in crime/organized crime, let alone black organized criminals, and your knowledge of italian criminals is probably very limited too, so I could only hope that you would do research before submitting broad generalizations and blatantly false statements.) Also if it wasn't for a few jewish and italian gangsters(with sense) in the 1920's/30's the "white",(italian,jewish etc.) criminal underworld in New York(even, perhaps the whole u.s.) would've been much more combative then it turned out to be. On a nother note, fortunately/unfortunately(for you) R* depicted the gangbanging aspect of black, latino/"minority" crime in gta sa to which individuals,(such as yourself) who have none to a very limited and ignorant type of "knowledge" and understanding of things outside of their "bubble" can then use to validate(within their/your limited and unknowing head) their stereotypical, ignorant(maybe/probably racist) view of, not just black, but various "people of color." Hence your comment about lower class black folk and whatnot. To get on topic, I would have to say I personally would like to see an irish mob story,(as i've stated in various other topics before.) but if R* were to give us a black, latino, or asian protagonist involved in the Chicago underworld, a russian/eastern european, or even another italian mobster I wouldn't complain.(just as long as they don't give us a protag who doesn't line up with reality, like say a swedish mobster in a swedish mob family in america, for instance.) Edited July 3, 2011 by Silentype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahash08 Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 hmmm i hope that story gonna be gangsta if it gonna be in san andreas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahash08 Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 hey everyone i will start a poll story similar to GTA IV or Similar to GTA SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKUS. Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 A simple story like GTA Vice City..GTA IV... a gangsta story is great too.. but the gang wars is completely pain in ass for me... the other gangs attack your territory and you've got to leave whatever you're doing for go there... is a completely pain in ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_GTAFREAK_ Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Simple: IF San Andreas is going to return, then GANGSTA, of course!! ... but, play San Andreas without that ghetto felling would be very interesting too... IF Vice City is going to return, then SIMPLE STORY on it!! ... i like that kind of playing too anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpain Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 San Andreas had one of the worst storylines in any video game. Period. Rockstar's other games, LA Noire and Red Dead Redemption had better stories than any other GTA. Other games such as Mafia 2, the Mass Effect series, Portal 2 and the Half-Life series had some amazing storylines. Now the games that I have mentioned above had some good characters. And you need memorable characters to make a good story in a video game. VC had the best cast of characters and therefore the story was superb. I hated all the characters from SA and the IV era. The only characters I liked from the IV era were Packie McReary and Johnny Klebitz. Final answer, I don't want a gangsta story or a simple story. I want a story that engages me emotinally. I only play video games with a good story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgcarva1 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Yes, I would very much like an Irish Mob storyline in a place like Boston, I really want a new city for V. Not a simple story where a bunch of heroin-addicted african-american (not racism, most "gangstas" as the OP refers them are actually african-american young men) young men do stupid sh*t to be able to buy a nice apartment and ride in an Escalada with 24 inch rims... Yes, sure thing colored people have had Organized Crime as well, that would be pretty good, a storyline involving people of color in Organized Crime, but no "we're gonna kill them because we've been at war for 25 years and no one knows the reason why"bullsh*t (beginning of GTA SA). Like I have stated, a story that makes you attached to the characters, for example, I was sad when Cole ... in LA Noire<- MAJOR SPOILER ALERT But yeah, like stated before, I'm tired of the "rags to riches" bullsh*t, R* has got to step up their game, of course I'll still play V, but not be as entertained by Single-Player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael2Corleone Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 in R* games there is allways ome f**ed up endings like L.A Noire for example and GTA IV too Deal or Revange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwandilibro Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I smell ignorance... I want to see another gang based storyline, but I'd like R* to get it right this time. Not one so full of stereotypes. I wonder if Official General posted in this topic yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0xiC Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 In what way is the GTA IV story simple, and how is a "gangsta story" the opposite of a simple one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Murdoch Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 In what way is the GTA IV story simple, and how is a "gangsta story" the opposite of a simple one? Simple: The twist of an ex soldier seeking revenge and trying to help his gambling addiction before they both get dragged down into the criminal underworld. Gangsta: The twist of having betrayal, people constantly shooting you, not being able to trust people and many, many different plots and cliffhangers/stories. Get what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrinPA Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The main reason I disliked San Andreas was because of all of this hard 'Gangsta' sh*t. I much preferred IV because Niko was actually a character you could connect with, whereas CJ was just annoying. Perhaps Niko was a charater YOU could connect with, but not everybody that plays GTA connects with a poor immigrant that only wants money and has anger issues. CJ is a character that a lot of people can connect with, it's ok if you can't, but don't speak for everybody who plays GTA. gangsta (which are just lower-class of black people and not italians in 1930 new york) stories are bland and boring Um, did you play SA? Because the storyline included gangsters from just about EVERY race possible. Grove Street and Ballas - African American, Vagos and Varrios Los Aztecas - Mexican and possibly Puerto Rican, Triads and all the other Asian gangs from different countries, The Biker Gangs who sell the drugs are Caucasian, There was a Russian Gang, ect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgcarva1 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The main reason I disliked San Andreas was because of all of this hard 'Gangsta' sh*t. I much preferred IV because Niko was actually a character you could connect with, whereas CJ was just annoying. Perhaps Niko was a charater YOU could connect with, but not everybody that plays GTA connects with a poor immigrant that only wants money and has anger issues. CJ is a character that a lot of people can connect with, it's ok if you can't, but don't speak for everybody who plays GTA. gangsta (which are just lower-class of black people and not italians in 1930 new york) stories are bland and boring Um, did you play SA? Because the storyline included gangsters from just about EVERY race possible. Grove Street and Ballas - African American, Vagos and Varrios Los Aztecas - Mexican and possibly Puerto Rican, Triads and all the other Asian gangs from different countries, The Biker Gangs who sell the drugs are Caucasian, There was a Russian Gang, ect... Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). Also the storyline in SA is not "gangsta", just the beginning. The rest of the story you deal with government agencies, italians, chinks and etc. so if they do make it a "gangsta" story, they should KEEP IT a "gangsta" story (although I would rather have an option to deal with everything, not just street gangs who stab each other with spoons because they got no money to buy guns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwandilibro Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The main reason I disliked San Andreas was because of all of this hard 'Gangsta' sh*t. I much preferred IV because Niko was actually a character you could connect with, whereas CJ was just annoying. Perhaps Niko was a charater YOU could connect with, but not everybody that plays GTA connects with a poor immigrant that only wants money and has anger issues. CJ is a character that a lot of people can connect with, it's ok if you can't, but don't speak for everybody who plays GTA. gangsta (which are just lower-class of black people and not italians in 1930 new york) stories are bland and boring Um, did you play SA? Because the storyline included gangsters from just about EVERY race possible. Grove Street and Ballas - African American, Vagos and Varrios Los Aztecas - Mexican and possibly Puerto Rican, Triads and all the other Asian gangs from different countries, The Biker Gangs who sell the drugs are Caucasian, There was a Russian Gang, ect... Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). Also the storyline in SA is not "gangsta", just the beginning. The rest of the story you deal with government agencies, italians, chinks and etc. so if they do make it a "gangsta" story, they should KEEP IT a "gangsta" story (although I would rather have an option to deal with everything, not just street gangs who stab each other with spoons because they got no money to buy guns). Just out of curiosity, what the f*ck are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentype Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) I smell ignorance... I want to see another gang based storyline, but I'd like R* to get it right this time. Not one so full of stereotypes. I wonder if Official General posted in this topic yet... I smell it too. fgcarva1-When, lets say a white/caucasian individual uses the word "gangster" with a high emphasis on a instead of er to refer to and differentiate a black criminal from a white or any other than black criminal(indicative of a white/caucasian individual, because you see most black folk don't emphasise the a when referring to black criminals and then emphasise er when referring to white criminals. A gangsta is a gangsta, if you catch my drift.) they appear to generally be referring to all black criminals.(because they're unaware, have no knowledge of black criminals, and have preconceived notions that all black criminals are gangbangers.) As for your point about "rags to riches" I have to say I feel R* haven't done "rags to riches" right yet(in the gameplay dept. and storyline wise, except for gta vc and vcs, in my opinion.), atleast when compared to certain gameplay elements in Scarface, The Godfather 2 and even Assasins Creed Brotherhood.(to name a few.) Edited June 25, 2011 by Silentype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorSpeed914 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 What is it with you people and the "gangsta" obsession? San Andreas was a great game, but if it were up to some of you, you would have it remade in HD as GTA 5. It's not going to happen. Rockstar has already done the "gangsta" game. Let's hope they bring something new to the table; I'm definitely not against old GTA 3 era stuff coming back, despite what Rockstar and GTAForums members may say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmike72 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 What is it with you people and the "gangsta" obsession? San Andreas was a great game, but if it were up to some of you, you would have it remade in HD as GTA 5. It's not going to happen. Rockstar has already done the "gangsta" game. Let's hope they bring something new to the table; I'm definitely not against old GTA 3 era stuff coming back, despite what Rockstar and GTAForums members may say. The obsession comes from people who think R* is going away from the series after IV so they think "hardcore gangsta stuff" is needed you really can't do much with a "gangsta" type storyline. We also have a lot of people who watch too much Gangland. And think they know gang life inside and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perroGtA97 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). Also the storyline in SA is not "gangsta", just the beginning. The rest of the story you deal with government agencies, italians, chinks and etc. so if they do make it a "gangsta" story, they should KEEP IT a "gangsta" story (although I would rather have an option to deal with everything, not just street gangs who stab each other with spoons because they got no money to buy guns). Just out of curiosity, what the f*ck are you talking about? Just out of curiosity - can't you read? I perfectly understood what he wrote and I think same way as he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwandilibro Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). Also the storyline in SA is not "gangsta", just the beginning. The rest of the story you deal with government agencies, italians, chinks and etc. so if they do make it a "gangsta" story, they should KEEP IT a "gangsta" story (although I would rather have an option to deal with everything, not just street gangs who stab each other with spoons because they got no money to buy guns). Just out of curiosity, what the f*ck are you talking about? Just out of curiosity - can't you read? I perfectly understood what he wrote and I think same way as he does. So you're proud of being an ignorant piece of sh*t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long_Haired_Boy Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) Ignore all the ignorant comments mostly made by people who live outside the US. You cant argue with a idiot and some of the members in this forum can be a little whinny at times. I see nothing wrong with both of these co-existing. Gangs in GTA is just a norm as cars, like the Mob is just a norm like weapons. This topic has turn into a racy mis-informed orgy of arguments based on color and creed! Edited June 26, 2011 by Long_Haired_Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorSpeed914 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). Also the storyline in SA is not "gangsta", just the beginning. The rest of the story you deal with government agencies, italians, chinks and etc. so if they do make it a "gangsta" story, they should KEEP IT a "gangsta" story (although I would rather have an option to deal with everything, not just street gangs who stab each other with spoons because they got no money to buy guns). Just out of curiosity, what the f*ck are you talking about? Just out of curiosity - can't you read? I perfectly understood what he wrote and I think same way as he does. So you're proud of being an ignorant piece of sh*t? Why do you say things that are better said to a mirror? Most of your posts are insults and you really contribute nothing to the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Moffat Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 I loved iv's story, but i would have no prob with another street gang story (I refuse to say gangsta!) But it has to be a proper portrayl of the dangers and the way of life, not this glamorised bs that other games throw out that make all the 13 year olds think that bein GANGSTA NIGGA is the sh*t. SA was batsh*t insane, but i did enjoy the opening missions in the hood and SA did have undertones of the dangers such as drug use and friends and family being killed indiscrimitlay, but many over looked that cause thy was just chillin with these homies icing fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgcarva1 Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). Also the storyline in SA is not "gangsta", just the beginning. The rest of the story you deal with government agencies, italians, chinks and etc. so if they do make it a "gangsta" story, they should KEEP IT a "gangsta" story (although I would rather have an option to deal with everything, not just street gangs who stab each other with spoons because they got no money to buy guns). Just out of curiosity, what the f*ck are you talking about? Just out of curiosity - can't you read? I perfectly understood what he wrote and I think same way as he does. So you're proud of being an ignorant piece of sh*t? Why do you say things that are better said to a mirror? Most of your posts are insults and you really contribute nothing to the board. Yeah, I agree with Bucky. Please put some more effort on the stuff you write, I know most of what you write is garbage, if not all. What I wrote was perfectly clear, it's probably your mental diseases that disallow you from understanding it. The other guy commented saying that my reply was perfectly clear and you called him "ignorant"? What's the evidence that you have when accusing someone. OK, but to continue, R* should bring an entire new concept instead of the "Rags to Riches" story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertical limit Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 At the end of the day, it depends on the location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift-Kingz Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 gangsta (which are just lower-class of black people and not italians in 1930 new york) stories are bland and boring. ... what? Anyways, yeah, R* should bring something different rather than all the previous stuff we've seen in GTA. I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing qualities which were similar to some of the previous games, but it's time for something new and of course, ORIGINAL. Yeah, but if you haven't read the title of the post, we're discussing a "gangsta" story which basically is low-class African American gangs (generally that's what people mean when they say "gangsta"). So your going to base your logic off people who say 'gangsta' meaning 'lower class african-american gangs'? What the f*ck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vertical limit Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Why is this dude busted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentype Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 (edited) What is it with you people and the "gangsta" obsession? San Andreas was a great game, but if it were up to some of you, you would have it remade in HD as GTA 5. It's not going to happen. Rockstar has already done the "gangsta" game. Let's hope they bring something new to the table; I'm definitely not against old GTA 3 era stuff coming back, despite what Rockstar and GTAForums members may say. The obsession comes from people who think R* is going away from the series after IV so they think "hardcore gangsta stuff" is needed you really can't do much with a "gangsta" type storyline. We also have a lot of people who watch too much Gangland. And think they know gang life inside and out. Can you clarify your comment about gangland.(are you trying to say the show is a hoax? are you having trouble believing there are criminal organizations lead by and consisting of black and latino people? do you know gang life inside and out? do you even live in a area with gangs?) "you can't do much with a "gangsta"(lets be honest you mean any and everything black) type storyline."- if you say so, but I must tell you this cause you seemingly and probably don't know, not every black criminal, or gangsta(said with an exaggerated a) as some white/caucasians like to call them, are gangbangers. On another note, R* haven't done the best when it has come to making the player feel like they've gone from rags to riches.(In my opinion, and as evidenced by other games i've played, scarface, godfather 2 and so on, that have done a much better job, atleast in that dept.) So I hope in gta 5/next they can do it right. Edited June 26, 2011 by Silentype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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