drscot Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Have a read: http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis If you cant be bothered, here is the jist of it: Basically, because of dodgy carbon dating results, lack of physical evidence and immense reliance on written sources [as oppose to hard evidence] some people believe that the early middle ages never happened, and that the year 2007 is the year 1710. Apparently, this was originally because of a recording error, but scientists an archaeologists minds have run riot, and the governments aren't afraid of this because it covers their arses. Not one to advocate the existence of the apocalypse, but nout at all has happened today, and I was wondering if this might be because of the PTH, and that it wont happen for another 300 years. Discuss. P.S. I'm not worrying about the apocalypse happening, I'm merely throwing an idea that came to me while driving across town yesterday EDIT: Please don't flame and spam this topic saying that is bs, it makes a lot more sense than Harold Camping's bs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGTAGamer Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 So if the year 2007 was really 1710 then that means every historical date in history is wrong? So we are currently living in 1714 instead of 2011? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drscot Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 Yeah.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGTAGamer Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Yeah.. Wow I'm really confused now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drscot Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 What's so confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGTAGamer Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 What's so confusing? That every historical date in history is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinski Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 While it makes for an interesting idea, it has no base in science or fact and is all conspiracy bull. I'll take the word of qualified scientists over the word of a conspiracy nut. My biggest gripe with it though, is would it even matter? No, not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Well of course there's an immense reliance on written sources from this period, the reason? There is no other lasting medium. They obviously didn't have photography or video cameras and stories passed orally will only survive a few generations before becoming entirely unrecognisable therefore a reliance on written sources in lieu of other evidence isn't a flaw, its simply a neccesity. I would, in fact, disagree that there is a lack of physical evidence for the early medieval period. The time between the Fall of Rome (Circa 476) and the Schism between the Catholic and Orthodox churches (1054) is commonly considered the early medieval period and there is plenty of physical evidence for human activity and cultural transition during this time. For example, the artefacts of the Carolingian Empire. Of course, many historians debate this periodisation. Furthermore, written sources do, infact point to the passing of years. Chroniclers such as Bede were active in this period and provide a rough outline of yearly events during the years your article suggests don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drscot Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 What's so confusing? That every historical date in history is wrong. Its not wrong, its just shifted back a bit, still in the same order I agree entirely with you too, just somert I found on the internet and thought there should be a discussion about it... Another reason put forward was that structures built by the Greeks and Romans would be significantly more run down as peasants would have taken them apart for building materials etc. Robinksi: Would it matter? If it were true, not for us, but what about our children's children's children? I know I cant base an argument on hypothetical children, we all have bigger and more tropical fish to fry, but just an answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Tequeli Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 An interesting idea, that an entire era just didn't exist. Of course it's grossly Eurocentric and wrong. There is a wealth of written records about the early middle ages from Muslims, The Chinese and other civilizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drscot Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 I am in agreement, i dont believe this - but its like the da vinci code, its very very interesting, but utter bs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackProject Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 This is all a bunch of bull feces, the world will not end this year or next year because of some 2,000 year old book written by primitive men said so, or some barbaric culture that never had a great empire writing 2012 as the last year of their calender. I don't give a f*ck about these conspiracies, it's all lies and I don't bother to read any of them. Today is going to be a normal day like every other day, only brainwashed men think that a "rapture" will be coming and spend their life savings on programs to make people believe a rapture is really coming. I wish we could get rid of those men, nothing but a waste of food supplies and air wasting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 See, now this is what we get - rapture inspired crap spilling out into other topics that boil over like milk in a pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drscot Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 I wasn't spewing 'rapture inspired crap'.. i was using the rapture as an example - i agree with you, its bullcrap, i just posted it because i thought it was interesting what some idiots believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I wasn't spewing 'rapture inspired crap'.. i was using the rapture as an example - i agree with you, its bullcrap, i just posted it because i thought it was interesting what some idiots believe... Just to let you know, it's a bullsh*t conspiracy theory Debunked #1 Observations in ancient astronomy agree with current observations with no 'phantom time' added; for example the end of the Greco-Persian Wars was marked by two solar eclipses within a year and a half; the only possible dates are 2 October 480 BCE and 14 February 478 BCE Debunked #2 Think that about puts an end to this thread. AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshield Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 What's so confusing? That every historical date in history is wrong. Its not wrong, its just shifted back a bit, still in the same order So you're saying the Space-Time continuum is in fact still in tact? We won't implode into oblivion? This is like the da Vinci code in the sense that an author created a work of fiction for commercial gain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubbs51 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 So if the year 2007 was really 1710 then that means every historical date in history is wrong? So we are currently living in 1714 instead of 2011? What? Yay its before the American Revolution... i always wanted to take part in it. f*cking Redcoats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toup Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 The funny thing is, the only place that i could see this is the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drscot Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 There have been 10 volumes published about it, translated into tens of languages... References Debate on the issue Illig, Heribert: Enthält das frühe Mittelalter erfundene Zeit? and subsequent discussion, in: Ethik und Sozialwissenschaften 8 (1997), pp. 481–520. Schieffer, Rudolf: Ein Mittelalter ohne Karl den Großen, oder: Die Antworten sind jetzt einfach, in: Geschichte in Wissenschaft und Unterricht 48 (1997), pp. 611–617. Matthiesen, Stephan: Erfundenes Mittelalter - fruchtlose These!, in: Skeptiker 2 (2002). [edit]By Illig Egon Friedell und Immanuel Velikovsky. Vom Weltbild zweier Außenseiter, Basel 1985. Die veraltete Vorzeit, Heribert Illig, Eichborn, 1988 with Gunnar Heinsohn: Wann lebten die Pharaonen?, Mantis, 1990, revised 2003 ISBN 3-928852-26-4 Karl der Fiktive, genannt Karl der Große, 1992 Hat Karl der Große je gelebt? Bauten, Funde und Schriften im Widerstreit, 1994 Hat Karl der Große je gelebt?, Heribert Illig, Mantis, 1996 Das erfundene Mittelalter. Die größte Zeitfälschung der Geschichte, Heribert Illig, Econ 1996, ISBN 3-430-14953-3 (revised ed. 1998) Das Friedell-Lesebuch, Heribert Illig, C.H. Beck 1998, ISBN 3-406-32415-0 Heribert Illig, with Franz Löhner: Der Bau der Cheopspyramide, Mantis 1998, ISBN 3-928852-17-5 Wer hat an der Uhr gedreht?, Heribert Illig, Ullstein 2003, ISBN 3-548-36476-4 Heribert Illig, with Gerhard Anwander: Bayern in der Phantomzeit. Archäologie widerlegt Urkunden des frühen Mittelalters., Mantis 2002, ISBN 3-928852-21-3 Again, not saying i agree - i just thought it was an interesting example of what some idiots think.. i've received over 5 pm's about this - i didn't want sarcastic sh*t.. i wanted intelligent comments on others beliefs.. requested lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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