Dwagginz Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 That's not a setting that should really be toyed with. The most you'll ever really need to set it, and this is rare in itself, is about 105MHz from what I remember. If you change it you're more likely to cause issues for yourself. Your PSU seems a bit suspicious, too, as it's not a brand I've heard of. General tech wisdom says that branded PSUs are the only ones you should use (And by branded it means ones from the bigger names, so Corsair, Antec and a bunch I've just forgotten), because the cheap ones just aren't going to cut the mustard, by both being unreliable and potentially dangerous to either you or your hardware. Have you looked at your computer's fans recently? If they're clogging up or not working, then you're risking overheating, which does fit your symptoms. Run with the side of the case off and see if it helps. Blow into your fans (Compressed air is recommended although the organic method has so far worked for me) to see if it dislodges dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) First up, Frontech is not a great brand but is a BRAND i dont know much about it I'm changing the PSU anyway. Second, my side case is always off and i clean the coolers regularly so that in my case wouldn't be an issue.. The only thing i dont get is that why does my computer act normal when the GPU is removed?? Less power? I dont think so, I've got a 450w PSU.. I'm gonna change it to 500w though.. I'll see if that works.. What IF its not the PSU? what'll I do then? I've no idea.. I mean my GPU just cant die 'cause of GTA IV, I was playing for an hour and the computer suddenly froze, my computer freezes after 2 minutes since then.. Some times it hangs at the start up screen where the GPU BIOS thing is displayed!! Sometimes it says overclocking flailed on start up.. Some time it just freezes in the BIOS Setup and sometimes (very rarely) it runs for hours without any problems.. I dont know whats going on?????? Edited May 21, 2011 by JiM-4a2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniperrrman Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) I personally think your gpu died. Did you overclock? Do you hear a beep when your computer starts up? Any black spots or weird colors on your GPU? Did you smell anything weird in the past days since it happened? About the PSU: Trying to run "heavy" games like GTA4 on a integrated GPU literally takes your GPU to the maximum level of power usage, so 450w could be too low. Just to be sure, remove your RAM and try to boot your pc. Let someone who knows alot about computer hardware look at it.. Its better than asking people on the internet. Edited May 20, 2011 by Sniperrrman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverTheBelow Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Nope.... I rebooted it and it froze again... Checked the bios and 150mhz is still there.. Idk how it ran magically for a couple of hours...? Cant say much about overheating 'cause it freezes while i'm in bios setup... Just runs for 2-3 minutes.. Any gusses anyone??? Really should not touch that value, can cause other instabilities later on down the line. Judging by all of these symptoms it sounds like it could be your PSU. Though have you checked your GPU temperature as soon as you get into Windows using a program such as MSI Afterburner? Consider taking the side of your case off while doing this to help slow down aformentioned overheating. When your computer 'crashes' you say, does the screen just go black or does the whole computer turn off? If it turns off I'd bet on that either being the PSU, motherboard or simply a short on the graphics card. I accidentally shorted my graphics card by touching the top while attempting to plug in a fan connector and the whole thing turned off. Edited May 20, 2011 by OverTheBelow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 If you want to be sure about your BIOS setup, load safe defaults, save and reboot, that should fix any possible issues that arise after messing with things you really shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 I had never overclocked or changed the settings or anything like that.. I was just playing and my computer froze and is still freezing.. About the crash, it just freezes it dosen't reboot, the pointer stays where it is and everthing stops responding except the reset button.. And if music is running in the background then a sub-machine gun firing like sound plays and the computer freezes.. No BSOD shows up. Tried everything so far, loading fail-safe and all that stuff except changing the PSU, I haven't changed it yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 22, 2011 Author Share Posted May 22, 2011 Has anyone ever experiened this kind of GPU problem? If yes then please share the solution with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Amd sempron 2.8ghz There's your problem, that Processor is NOT supported by IV-it is a Single core, and IV needs at least a Dual Core to run. I know Semprons are single core, cause that is what my old XP laptop has. But, if your video card is messed up, the simple and most common sense thing to do would be to buy a new one. No offense intended. Also, shouldn't the topic title be "The user screwed up my GPU"-lol, since a game cannot mess up a GPU-only the user trying to put extra strain on it by running a game with a Single core processor that is not supported by the game in the first place.-lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Amd sempron 2.8ghz There's your problem, that Processor is NOT supported by IV-it is a Single core, and IV needs at least a Dual Core to run. I know Semprons are single core, cause that is what my old XP laptop has. But, if your video card is messed up, the simple and most common sense thing to do would be to buy a new one. No offense intended. Also, shouldn't the topic title be "The user screwed up my GPU"-lol, since a game cannot mess up a GPU-only the user trying to put extra strain on it by running a game with a Single core processor that is not supported by the game in the first place.-lol This dosent even make any sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Amd sempron 2.8ghz There's your problem, that Processor is NOT supported by IV-it is a Single core, and IV needs at least a Dual Core to run. I know Semprons are single core, cause that is what my old XP laptop has. But, if your video card is messed up, the simple and most common sense thing to do would be to buy a new one. No offense intended. Also, shouldn't the topic title be "The user screwed up my GPU"-lol, since a game cannot mess up a GPU-only the user trying to put extra strain on it by running a game with a Single core processor that is not supported by the game in the first place.-lol This dosent even make any sense... What doesn't make sense? It is in plain English-If your Video card is messed up, then the common sense thing to do would be to BUY a NEW one and REPLACE it. What's hard about that? No offence intended. Also, you have a AMD Sempron Processor-those are Single Core (1 CPU) processors. I have an AMD Sempron processor on my old XP Laptop, and that's how I know those are only a Single core..... IV needs at least a Dual Core Processor to run optimally-that is why your processor IS NOT supported by the game. No offence, but even my cousin's daughter, who is in 4th grade can understand my last post-so what is confusing you about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 radioman you're not getting it are you?? This is NOT about running gta iv optimally.. Its about FIXING the video card not REPLACING it.... So, you're the one whos having a hard time understanding this topic, your cousin's daughter who is a 4th grader would understand it better.. No offence huh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UserCommenter Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 radioman you're not getting it are you?? This is NOT about running gta iv optimally.. Its about FIXING the video card not REPLACING it.... So, you're the one whos having a hard time understanding this topic, your cousin's daughter who is a 4th grader would understand it better.. No offence huh??? You're pretty dense dude. The 4th grader would just tell you to get something new if the older one isn't working correctly. Pretty common sense if you've tried everything and nothing is helping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 radioman you're not getting it are you?? This is NOT about running gta iv optimally.. Its about FIXING the video card not REPLACING it.... So, you're the one whos having a hard time understanding this topic, your cousin's daughter who is a 4th grader would understand it better.. No offence huh??? You're pretty dense dude. The 4th grader would just tell you to get something new if the older one isn't working correctly. Pretty common sense if you've tried everything and nothing is helping... Dude i had used my money to get this video card and now its gone.. I hope you understand the situation i'm in right now... Besides, I'm a high school student so i dont work or anything.. Everytime i need money I've to ask dad for it so buying a new video card is not an option till july.. I was thinking maybe i could fix the old one 'cause i dont think it has died yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 I have a feeling that I can fix it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotin3 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I checked your first post and recognise the symptoms, your best bet is to find a cheap replacement because that card is done for, those cards are about $30.. not exactly gaming gear but for an old pc its not worth buying better anyway. Dont buy a new PSU or anything, its neither the solution or worth it if you ask me.. It wasnt gta iv's fault, it could have happened with any other demanding 3d app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 I checked your first post and recognise the symptoms, your best bet is to find a cheap replacement because that card is done for, those cards are about $30.. not exactly gaming gear but for an old pc its not worth buying better anyway. Dont buy a new PSU or anything, its neither the solution or worth it if you ask me.. It wasnt gta iv's fault, it could have happened with any other demanding 3d app. Are you sure about it? Is there absolutely no fix to it? There must be something.. I've heard that hardware never gets damaged unless you do crazy benchmarks or install ultra faulty drivers and I did neither... There must be a fix to it, how can you be so sure?? Death of my GPU is just not possible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Anyone please.. Can anyone help with this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 radioman you're not getting it are you?? This is NOT about running gta iv optimally.. Its about FIXING the video card not REPLACING it.... So, you're the one whos having a hard time understanding this topic, your cousin's daughter who is a 4th grader would understand it better.. No offence huh??? You're pretty dense dude. The 4th grader would just tell you to get something new if the older one isn't working correctly. Pretty common sense if you've tried everything and nothing is helping... Dude i had used my money to get this video card and now its gone.. I hope you understand the situation i'm in right now... Besides, I'm a high school student so i dont work or anything.. Everytime i need money I've to ask dad for it so buying a new video card is not an option till july.. I was thinking maybe i could fix the old one 'cause i dont think it has died yet.. Since you said you are in High school, then a simple solution would be to get a part time job that way you can have your own money to buy things you want-since(from seeing your flag in your topic) it looks like you are from the USA, you can get a part time job, as the minimum working age in the USA is 14, and since you say you are in High school, that would make you at least 15 Years old. Then, you can afford to buy a new video card for your PC. That is an eay solution for you to get a new video card-get a job. And, let this be a hard lesson learned to not try to run CPU/GPU intensive games on a under-powered pc. Sempron processors are not good for gaming at all-they struggle to run III, VC, and SA at decent fps, so what makes you think IV will run right on it.? I have confirmed that about III, VC, and SA on that processor, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmoo Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) Have a heart Radio, We were all young once lol Anyone please.. Can anyone help with this.. @ Jim I know it is hard to take and sometimes we always think there is a way out of a problem when really there is no way These guys know what they are talking about. Listen to them If it was software related and a few tweaks and tickles could solve the problem then these guys would tell you how to fix your problem but your problem is now obviously hardware related It does sound like your GPU has died because it has gone under intense pressure from GTA IV when not supported It could be your processor has been killed, again due to the pressure of processing the game Sitting here, without opening up your PC and without watching exactly what happened when the 1st problem happened, it is a lot of guess work Does your Computer have an intergrated graphics chip? It more than likely does Remove your Graphics Card and let the computer recognise the intergrated graphics and see if you still get the freezes Obviously on the intergrated graphics you will not be able to run GTA IV but the most important thing here is to sort out your problem If your computer works fine with no freezes then you have isolated the problem If it still happens then the list is endless on what the problem could be... Good luck mate *edit* just seen on 1st post that you have already removed the GPU - apologies Edited May 23, 2011 by marmoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 I'll just test this sh***y video card on my cousins computer, if it works fine then i'll have to consider changing the psu, and if it dosent then i'll give it to my cousin's 5 years old son who'll at least make something out of its fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 ONE more thing, I've a geforce 7025 onboard, is there anyway to just play gta iv on it??? There must be some tweak or anything to make the graphics look sh*tty and thus have a smooth gameplay.. BTW its 512mb video card but the fact that it is onboard really sucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniperrrman Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 No it won't run on that card.. sorry to say that. Really if you want to run these heavy ''next generation'' games, buy a new pc. If you don't have money for that, don't play games as you can't run them on your pc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 I'll buy a better video card soon and maybe a core i7 too but right now I'll have to stick to onboard graphics and I'll find a way to run GTA IV on it with atleast 15 fps outside, trust me I'll since I've done it before on intel integrated graphics I wont have any problems now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwagginz Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Does your 8400 not have a warranty on it? Assuming you've not tried to pull it apart, you should be able to get in contact with the manufacturer (NOT nVidia) and arrange some sort of return/replacement - That is, if it's in warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 (edited) Does your 8400 not have a warranty on it? Assuming you've not tried to pull it apart, you should be able to get in contact with the manufacturer (NOT nVidia) and arrange some sort of return/replacement - That is, if it's in warranty. You contradicted yourself when you said "Get in contact with the Manufactuer(not Nvidia)..." Nvidia IS the manufacturer of Nvidia cards.. But anywho, chances are he WILL have to go through Nvidia(the Manufacturer) for warranty issues, as MOST stores(around the gulfcoast anyways) only give you a 15-day return policy on PC equiptment(Hardware and Software). Just a friendly heads up. But, as I said before, Sempron processors(what the OP said he has) ARE NOT meant nor good for gaming.-Heck they even struggle to handle less intensive games(III, VC, and SA)-so, how is it suppose to handle a game like IV, which requires at least a Dual Core processor. Semprons are single-core processors. I have an old XP Home PC with a Sempron processor and even III lags and freezes on it-and III has a LOT LOWER specs than IV, so what makes him think it will handle IV properly without messing something up in the process.? Just curious why people try to run the game on under powered processors that do not meet minimum specs anyway? Here's proof of how bad III lags on Sempron processors: Here's proof of VC lagging on Sempron processors: Just a heads up on how older games lag on that processor-if these lower spec games lagg like this, what makes people think that IV can handle them? Just curious? Edited May 28, 2011 by radioman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiM-4a2c Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Does your 8400 not have a warranty on it? Assuming you've not tried to pull it apart, you should be able to get in contact with the manufacturer (NOT nVidia) and arrange some sort of return/replacement - That is, if it's in warranty. You contradicted yourself when you said "Get in contact with the Manufactuer(not Nvidia)..." Nvidia IS the manufacturer of Nvidia cards.. But anywho, chances are he WILL have to go through Nvidia(the Manufacturer) for warranty issues, as MOST stores(around the gulfcoast anyways) only give you a 15-day return policy on PC equiptment(Hardware and Software). Just a friendly heads up. But, as I said before, Sempron processors(what the OP said he has) ARE NOT meant nor good for gaming.-Heck they even struggle to handle less intensive games(III, VC, and SA)-so, how is it suppose to handle a game like IV, which requires at least a Dual Core processor. Semprons are single-core processors. I have an old XP Home PC with a Sempron processor and even III lags and freezes on it-and III has a LOT LOWER specs than IV, so what makes him think it will handle IV properly without messing something up in the process.? Just curious why people try to run the game on under powered processors that do not meet minimum specs anyway? Here's proof of how bad III lags on Sempron processors: Here's proof of VC lagging on Sempron processors: Just a heads up on how older games lag on that processor-if these lower spec games lagg like this, what makes people think that IV can handle them? Just curious? i really dont know why i used to get 20 fps...??? Anyway, i'm not in gulf and i've to contact the manifacturer not nvidia thats 'cause nvidia is NOT the manifacturer of my video card, i just have nvidia chipset which itself has been manifactured by biostar therefore i've to contact biostar which i already did.. I'll see what happenes now.. And thanks a lot everyone for helping me.. Gtaforums is a great place to look for help.. Thanks again. Edited June 1, 2011 by JiM-4a2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unc13bud Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 i ordered a galaxy 9500gt from newegg last night for $9.99 after rebate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 i ordered a galaxy 9500gt from newegg last night for $9.99 after rebate What's with that 'after rebate' at NewEgg? I don't get what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 It's simply a discount after purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exxon Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Ah, I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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