Game of Thrones

[darthYENIK]

 

Yes. Valyrian steel (dragon steel) and Obsidian (dragon glass), are effective against "others".

I got around to watching the preview for next week.

 

I'm So glad they're showing the real fighting pit. I was afraid it they were just going to have the big scene be in that dinky pit where Jorah kicked ass. Still won't be the same without Strong Belwas.

 

We didn't know for certain that dragonsteel and Valyrian steel were one and the same. It's a bit of a spoiler actually.

Valyrian Steel is from Valyria, the land of dragons. I would've been greatly surprised if it was anything else.

 

Anyway, hurry up and watch this episode, if my first post about it didn't get you excited I don't know what would. Maybe Dany and Tyrion having a conversation about some juicy lore like how Tyrion's brother killed Dany's father.

[Coin]

Controversial opinion I realise, but this season, Tyrion has gone from being one of my favourite characters on the show to my most disliked (at least as far as major characters go).

 

Rewatched the episode again today, as good as the Hardhome portion is, I find myself bummed out a little about the following;

 

 

 

*NotVal - I think in a very short period of time, they managed to conjure up a pretty interesting character here, so it's a shame that she's not lived to see beyond the episode. Her manner of death was frakkin' lame too. D&D don't like strong female characters like TWD doesn't like black characters.

*WHEN WILL TORMUND CRACK A BLOODY DICK JOKE

 

 

[El Dildo]

I'm not sure what's "spoiling" about Jon killing the Walker with his personal sword.

it just means that we learned something. exactly when the show wanted us to learn it. Jon learned the same thing at the same moment. it's not a spoiler, it's plot progression. it's a revelation we can celebrate. but it won't change anything either. Valyrian steel appears to be rare and expensive to work with.

 

Cersei sucking water off that dirty ass floor was great.

I was excited to see her mad scientist friend come to visit her. I forget his name... the Meister she brought into the council some time back. this is the same guy who still has The Mountain's body in his lab where he was trying to reanimate it (and you could see it twitching). he's gotta' have something up his sleeve for getting his queen out of that dungeon.

 

Arya gets her assassin training underway finally!

but seriously who is this blonde bitch that keeps hounding everything she does? how come whenever Arya gets an attitude everybody smacks her into shape, but this blonde girl goes around talking down to everybody and acting like a total snob and nobody cares. what is she doing there? everyone in this temple is so serious and stoic except for her. she doesn't belong. she doesn't make sense. what-ev's...

 

I enjoyed the meeting between Dany and Tyrion.

I'm not sure why anyone would call it "terrible" as it was just some backstory banter and poking fun at their legacy, trying to feel each other out. everything felt straightforward enough. the only part about this plot line that I don't like is Jorah and his stone-men-disease thing. I don't like plot devices that feel totally shoehorned and unnecessary. like they were traveling in that boat and they're ambushed by stone men out of nowhere (they're in a goddamn swamp or something) just so that Jorah can be forced to rush things along, like OMG I guess I don't have much time now.

 

can't wait for this arena showdown though.

[Coin]

He was considering it a spoiler in the sense that it hadn't yet been explicitly stated in the books that dragon steel == valyrian steel. But as both me and Darth eluded to, it was pretty much a given anyway and couldn't possibly been anything else (being magic aside, valyrian steel was alleged to be forged in dragon fire = steel forged in dragon fire = dragon steel ).

 

 

 

I enjoyed the meeting between Dany and Tyrion.

I'm not sure why anyone would call it "terrible" as it was just some backstory banter and poking fun at their legacy, trying to feel each other out. everything felt straightforward enough. the only part about this plot line that I don't like is Jorah and his stone-men-disease thing. I don't like plot devices that feel totally shoehorned and unnecessary. like they were traveling in that boat and they're ambushed by stone men out of nowhere (they're in a goddamn swamp or something) just so that Jorah can be forced to rush things along, like OMG I guess I don't have much time now.

 

My opinion;

 

 

 

The scene was just flat; the dialog was poor and the chemistry been the two was practically non-existent. Tyrion did not bring anything to the table that could not have been accomplished were it Ser Barristan instead of Tyrion.

 

The whole premise that Dany has to prove her worth to Saint f*cking Tyrion is ridiculous and not the other way around is ridiculous. It was a meeting I was quite looking forward to but the continued white washing of Tyrion's character has killed any excitement or enjoyment for me in this storyline.

 

Side note: I like how this is the second episode in a row where the writers have gone out of their way to retcon Dany forcing Hizhadr into marriage. I mean, why did they even do it in the first place?

 

 

Silver lining: No Grey Worm/Missandei romance in this episode.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2015 by ¥en

[Majestic81]

Cersei sucking water off that dirty ass floor was great.

I was excited to see her mad scientist friend come to visit her. I forget his name... the Meister she brought into the council some time back. this is the same guy who still has The Mountain's body in his lab where he was trying to reanimate it (and you could see it twitching). he's gotta' have something up his sleeve for getting his queen out of that dungeon.

 

 

 

"The work continues.."

----

 

I only have one question. how did that giant actually cross the sea? its unlikely that he can fit on any ship without breaking it to pieces.

 

 

And i liked Karsi, (the wildling woman) shame she died. She only appeared for a short time but she was cool.

 

Edited June 2, 2015 by Majestic81

[Abel.]

Controversial opinion I realise, but this season, Tyrion has gone from being one of my favourite characters on the show to my most disliked (at least as far as major characters go).

 

Rewatched the episode again today, as good as the Hardhome portion is, I find myself bummed out a little about the following;

 

 

 

*NotVal - I think in a very short period of time, they managed to conjure up a pretty interesting character here, so it's a shame that she's not lived to see beyond the episode. Her manner of death was frakkin' lame too. D&D don't like strong female characters like TWD doesn't like black characters.

*WHEN WILL TORMUND CRACK A BLOODY DICK JOKE

 

 

 

Wait, they introduce Val (at flipping last), then summarily

kill her off?

 

 

 

Wow.

 

 

I'd argue that D&D just don't do "strong female characters" that well, not that they don't like them. Brienne and Arya are great because most of their characterisation comes from the books, but ShowShae was just insufferable. D&D seem to have fallen into the trap that strong female characters^tm need to be gruff and unlikable, which is just asinine and borderline sexist. It's pitiful that in the attempt not to be sexist they create drab, unlikable female characters, or boring ones like ShowDaenerys.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Failure

[K20]

i'm glad tyrion is at a place where he can "relax" a bit, as all he seems to be doing of late is getting shafted and put under pressure. i did like his and daenerys convo, although i dont get why he was surprised when she said he should be her adviser, as wasn't this what he asked her when they met?!?!

 

sansa is a flop. always will be. theres no hope for her, she might as well be killed. taking up valuable air time.

 

hardhome fight was a good battle, showing the true strength of the undead.

 

next episode preview showed snow at the bottom of the wall with the wildlings, i'm guessing the other nights watch took command and wont let him back in. they'll watch the white walkers finish them off

 

 

i keep reading that the only hope for westeros is daenerys. as she has dragons, and they are the source of destroying the whitewalkers. dragon steel, dragon fire, dragon glass. dragons seem to be the key. something tells me that this will head towards daenerys taking over every piece of land, get on the iron throne, and remain there.

 

also another forum mentioned that daenerys, john snow and tyrion are of the same blood. far fetched but there was a really REALLY good explanation for it. i'll try find it.

 

[darthYENIK]

 

Controversial opinion I realise, but this season, Tyrion has gone from being one of my favourite characters on the show to my most disliked (at least as far as major characters go).

 

Rewatched the episode again today, as good as the Hardhome portion is, I find myself bummed out a little about the following;

 

 

 

*NotVal - I think in a very short period of time, they managed to conjure up a pretty interesting character here, so it's a shame that she's not lived to see beyond the episode. Her manner of death was frakkin' lame too. D&D don't like strong female characters like TWD doesn't like black characters.

*WHEN WILL TORMUND CRACK A BLOODY DICK JOKE

 

 

Wait, they introduce Val (at flipping last), then summarily

kill her off?

 

 

 

Wow.

 

 

I'd argue that D&D just don't do "strong female characters" that well, not that they don't like them. Brienne and Arya are great because most of their characterisation comes from the books, but ShowShae was just insufferable. D&D seem to have fallen into the trap that strong female characters^tm need to be gruff and unlikable, which is just asinine and borderline sexist. It's pitiful that in the attempt not to be sexist they create drab, unlikable female characters, or boring ones like ShowDaenerys.

Like ¥en said, it's "NotVal". She embodies the essence of Val, but isn't.

[uNi]

So f*cking good, and the mighty warlords of the army of the dead are f*cking bad ass.

[El Dildo]

I wish they hadn't ripped off Darth Maul for the one guy.

 

but yeah, they're cool.

like the horsemen of the apocalypse.

 

but now someone has to explain something to me.

is a White Walker anyone who comes back from the dead to fight the living? or is a White Walker specifically those tall Ice dudes who shatter when they're killed? because there's clearly 2 different 'species' at work here. the tall Ice bros seem to be leading the undead army and have the ability to stop and think while the rest of the horde are essentially mindless zombies.

 

is that the gist of it?

[Craig Kostelecky]

There are wights and White Walkers. Wights are the reanimated corpses that do most of the fighting. They need to be burned to be permanently killed. White Walkers are their leaders and can bring the dead back to life. The only way we've seen them created is with the babies that were sacrificed at the end of S4E04. White walkers can only be killed with dragonglass or Valyrian steel.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Craig Kostelecky

[El Dildo]

White Walkers are created by baby sacrifice?

or they use the baby to make more?

 

so how did the White Walkers even begin?? am I supposed to be asking these questions??

[darthYENIK]

We don't know all of the answers yet, on who they really are, where they come from, or even their motivations.

[Kirsty]

From a show point of view. It seems like the baby they turned might be to make more of themselves, since the deal with Craster was to take all the sons. Though why they would use babies I'm not sure since the ones we've seen are all ancient looking. Perhaps a new younger breed readying for war? We didn't see the faces of the shapely figures in the background after all. They have the magic to reanimate the dead but I don't think that has anything to do with their own backstory as a "species". The way to kill them is different like Craig said, as well as their ability to think instead of mindlessly killing. From the latest episode, it sure seems like they are showing that they have intentions to sweep all the lands as soon as winter fully comes; there was no hidden agenda there, just kill all the wildlings! The Night King basically flexed his dick and introduced himself to Jon Snow to show him what is edging closer and closer to the Wall. Though did they have the foresight that the wildlings were planning to leave somehow? Also waiting for one of them to be Benjen Stark.

[Ottae]

f*cking great episode, one of the best of the entire series. The battle at the end was fantastic and since it doesn't happen in the books, It was nice to actually feel nervous and not know how it pans out. Despite the Night's King looking Darth Maulesque, I'd say his appearance is justified since the ice horns are supposed to be a crown. I agree that the other Walker that fought Snow looked cooler though - maybe the Night's King just needs some long hair as well as his crown.

 

I didn't find Dany's convo with Tyrion bad at all, what did you expect them to talk about? They barely know each other! They spoke about stuff you'd expect them to and I found they had a good chemistry imo, it may have felt a bit chaste because Tyrion is apprehensive, not having met her yet. I don't feel like she was trying to prove to him why she is worthy, he seemed to be doing the convincing. But yeah, looking forward to seeing where that goes.

 

Glad to see Cersei suckling the floor, but someone on Reddit pointed out that there was a drip from the ceiling throughout the entire scene... that may have been easier to drink

 

 

@Kirsty - I had to edit your post on the last page. Spoilers!

[Coin]

I suspect we won't know jack about the Others/White Walkers until Winds of Winter is released.

 

Game of Thrones pin-up posters.

[FrikkenZz]

Off topic rant:

 

I cant seem to get into this season like usual. I just dont understand why everyone is making dumb decisions..

 

I feel like there arent a lot of character development or cool new faces. I was excited about Doran and Dorne but so far i have been disappointed. I feel like its lacking something, I used to get so f*cking excited watching Game of Thrones but im not very interested this time. There are no memorable moments for me thus far and we're almost at episode 7.. the "awesomeness" factor this show had is gone.

 

I feel like this season is the weakest out of them all. Maybe the upcoming episodes will change my mind.

This right here is why Breaking Bad was a nightmare to watch from start to beginning. Especially since Mr.White was such an @sshole on top of being an idiot in is decisionmaking.

Im not fan of the show not following the books just so it is said.

But I'm really happy about the show making it to the best part of Arya, I loved that arc in the books and also in the show. Btw the girl in the temple is only doing here job, as it is expected of her in the temple. The little scene in the last episode where she went all b*tchy and said she wasn't ready was unnecessesary though.

I have to just rip the books and the show apart in my mind forward, since it is hard to compare them when the show just goint in a different direction. The show will make some great entertaining but the books will tell the real story in my opinion.

[Kirsty]

@Kirsty - I had to edit your post on the last page. Spoilers!

Not really a spoiler, just speculation as I have no idea what happens in that scene, I was certain it was glimpsed in the season trailer.. Sorry

 

 

The show will make some great entertaining but the books will tell the real story in my opinion.

I think the best thing you can do is just as you said, treat them separately. Sometimes I find it hard to justify why such a highly grossing show has less episodes, most major shows now have 12-13 so when watching anything else you can really feel the difference. But, having starting to read the books (only on the first still) each chapter is just so rich in detail that I know deep down it won't ever be possible to fulfill everything between the pages and there are some characters we will never see in the flesh even if we had more time each season. From reading comments after each episode there are so many complaints about "butchering" the books, but at the end of the day I'm still thoroughly entertained by the TV show on it's own, it's not going to change because I've started reading the books. I can sympathise with the hardcore fans of course; I certainly appreciate the "real" story even more now.

[FrikkenZz]

My opinion is, as I have seen said by several others here before me: why add things that is not in the books when you could have included book stuff. I admit the Hardhome scene was cool and have some significance in form of action and showing off the white walkers and others. Action (and tits) is needed to make the mindless hordes watch the show. But they could have (generally speaking) spent more time on the details that bookreaders would have loved. It is too long since I last read the books that I can come up with good examples.I did find one after a little search. Kevan Lannister isn't offered (and declines) the position as Master of War (a completely new title wich isnt in the books, pointless), but as Hand of the King. He dosent just say that he dosent recognize her authority but demands that she makes him Regent and she should go back to Casterly Rock as Tywin intended.

 

After all the show wouldn't be made if it wasn't fif its popularity when it was a book series. Why just make up such details when there already is a story in place here.

[El Dildo]

My opinion is, as I have seen said by several others here before me: why add things that is not in the books when you could have included book stuff.

because.

as we seem to talk about every other page the books are not the show, the show is not the books. to compare them to each other does a disservice to both. we should really stop this pattern...

 

it's been said numerous times.

Kirsty is spot on, as well. you need to treat these as 2 separate entities or you're going to stop enjoying either of them because they're never going to match up. they can't. the books are too expansive, the show is too restrictive. the producers need to strike a balance or otherwise every single episode would need to be 3 hours long and seasons would take years.

 

Game of Thrones pin-up posters.

the fire extinguisher is a really nice touch.

Edited June 3, 2015 by El Diablo

[FrikkenZz]

 

My opinion is, as I have seen said by several others here before me: why add things that is not in the books when you could have included book stuff.

 

because.

as we seem to talk about every other page the books are not the show, the show is not the books. to compare them to each other does a disservice to both. we should really stop this pattern...

 

it's been said numerous times.

Kirsty is spot on, as well. you need to treat these as 2 separate entities or you're going to stop enjoying either of them because they're never going to match up. they can't. the books are too expansive, the show is too restrictive. the producers need to strike a balance or otherwise every single episode would need to be 3 hours long and seasons would take years.

And I have uttered some of these words myself in my first post:

I have to rip the books and the show apart in my mind forward, since it is hard to compare them when the show just goint in a different direction.

But it

1.is based on the books,

2.it does tell the same tale, but is adjusted to show format.

 

It is very natural to compare them because of these facts. And even though I'm not ranting about the big things wich is what I should be focusing on, it bothers me, and really is rubbing me the wrong way when small insignificant details are altered pointlessly. Ofc it would make a poor show to act out every word/scene/arc wich is in the books. But I am not talking about that.

 

I am going to seperate the books and the show in my head forward as I said, but I should not have to do that. It is possible to make changes that is more booklike than the "we make up a new title for Kevan, that will make the viewers want to see the next episode" bullsh*t that they do. And this makes me want to repeat these thoughts even though you think this is "resolved", just because you have said it before that you think that I should not compare them.

Edited June 3, 2015 by FrikkenZz

[Coin]

Them being two different entities doesn't magically shield or exempt the show from criticism from book readers, though.

 

I am quite capable of accepting changes when they are necessary and work. Even though the events of Hardhome play out completely different in the books, you don't see me complaining about the battle (beyond NotVal, but that's not a book reader complaint in the slightest) because it was arguably necessary to show what was shown moving forward.

 

I do think it is fair to crticise when;

 

1) Something happens in the show that also happened in the books, but it is slightly different and thus meaning the context ends up being something else entirely (see; Jamie 'raping' Cersei) 2) That major characters have been changed in ways that don't make sense or otherwise are off doing things worlds apart from what they were doing in the books.

 

Whilst one of the following is true;

 

1) Could these things been more in line with the books given the same amount of screen time? 2) Could these things have been more in line with books if the show didn't misappropriate screentime to bullsh*t*?

 

*Things like the Grey WormXMissandei romance, which even exclusively show watchers generally know is a waste of time.

 

Or the amount of screen time that Olly f*ckING Chekov is getting, for that matter. Seriously, that scene with him and Sam was such a f*cking waste of screen time as it was the same damn conversation Olly had with Jon a few episodes back - why haven't either of them mentioned to Olly about Jon having to 'break bread' with the Bolton after what happened to his family (Recall the scene where Jon was sending letters asking for men from the Northern lords)? I'd honestly be surprised if show viewers can't see what's going on with this, at this point xD

[El Dildo]

you're free to criticize.

 

just understand it's a complete waste of time.

[Coin]

you're free to criticize.

 

just understand it's a complete waste of time.

 

By that notion, why critisize anything ever?

Edited June 3, 2015 by ¥en

[El Dildo]

because some criticism is definitely constructive and produces positive change.

 

the show won't change.

the criticism in this case is futile

[Coin]

It can and has. Admittedly not from discussions had on GTAForums, but in that case, I don't consider discussing the show with you fine folks a waste of my time anyway.

[El Dildo]

if they've made significant changes to the show because of book-reader-feedback, that's news to me.

 

it just seems as though every other week there's some new backlash contrasting the show against the literature.

and it's like, you know they're never going to really match up, you know this is going to happen.

[Kirsty]

I think most often those on screen fillers or deviations with new characters are just for development of the show as a whole. I read somewhere there is a reason for everything in the books, perhaps they are just trying to do the same for certain things in the show and looking at the bigger picture while doing it, the end game. How many more seasons can it even go on for before going too far beyond the planned stories from the books? Even though more often than not even show watchers might complain about them too, I think the creators recognise how much time is precious in each episode. Didn't GRRM even reveal major unknown book plot points to them in case he dies?

 

For instance Olly being mentioned. Ser Alliser and some other brothers clearly disagree with Jon's decision, we saw in the preview Ser Alliser looking at Jon from the wall on their return, but I think they are building Olly up to be the one who either betrays him or saves him from any mutiny. You can't just >insert character here

 

 

when she discovered Bran and Rickon aren't really dead

 

 

in the latest episode if all the sh*tty things didn't happen before it.

 

Enough of that waffling, everyone already knows how good TV works for themselves, all I'm basically saying is that some of the things brought up by book readers are necessary for visuals that have to keep you supporting the characters and watching week on week, even if it departs from more loved characters and takes away their screen time. It's a completely different experience to reading words on paper, no matter how emotionally invested you are in the story. The universe is vast and I struggle to put the book down, but I read so many complaints about a lot of episodes with heavy dialogue being too boring and not enough action. This weeks battle had everyone in awe it was that well done, but is there really something that could be comparable to that for each chapter from the books? If it was directly translated word for word and each sequence the same, would it even be enjoyable to watch? Of course it could just be as simple as not being able to afford any more actors

[krashr]

Game of Thrones pin-up posters.

 

these posters are awesome!

Edited June 4, 2015 by krashr

[Majestic81]

I suspect we won't know jack about the Others/White Walkers until Winds of Winter is released.

 

Game of Thrones pin-up posters.

Missing Ygritte and Ellaria Sand.