GTA 5 will get old quickly...

[human_nature42]

Lol thanks...

 

Exactly -we'd be buying the brand, not the game.. R* can do it 'cos they have established themselves as a respected game maker person place thingy... [that failed]///

It's okay I understood exactly what you said.

 

I remember when someone made a thread saying that the GTA series might come to an end after GTA 5, I was like yeah if Rockstar wants to lose millions and millions of dollars and revenue.

[*MURDOC*]

 

IF SOMEONE KEPT THROWING you large amounts of delicious candy... eventually you wouldn't want candy anymore. My point is, with GTA4, Rockstar satisfied your GTA craving, but at the same time, still left you wanting more. Exactly what they wanted to do! Furthermore: GTA5 will be IV + fun.

Nuff said.

not really, reform kind of hit the nail on the head to be honest. and even with every feature and option on every grand theft auto, theres still plenty of ideas that havent yet been touched that could have easily made it into IV

You say easily, but some of the things you listed would have made the game take signifigantly longer to create and release.

I'm wondering if you would have been one of those people who, in that situation, would complain that the game is taking too long to come out.

 

I just see it as people wanting too much out of a game that's most likely the start of a 'series' (example being the last GTA 'series' III,VC& SA), they probably didn't want to give you too much at first, because if they did, you would then complain about how the next game's basically the same game in a different setting.

 

If they gave us all that sh*t right off the bat, what would we have to look forward to in the next game, besides the obvious things?

[HipHopHeadSeb]

i dont like when people complain about how long a game takes to come out.....

im definately not 1 of those people, i believe the longer it takes for a game the better it should be.

unless of course it gets delayed for some annoying reason.

but ye i agree with inversionoff.

[Drift-Kingz]

I expect GTA5 to be really, really good.

Well of course you would know...

 

 

 

 

 

Nah just kidding. Anyways, I bow down to your point here grope. Well said.

[reform]

 

You say easily, but some of the things you listed would have made the game take signifigantly longer to create and release.

I'm wondering if you would have been one of those people who, in that situation, would complain that the game is taking too long to come out.

 

I just see it as people wanting too much out of a game that's most likely the start of a 'series' (example being the last GTA 'series' III,VC& SA), they probably didn't want to give you too much at first, because if they did, you would then complain about how the next game's basically the same game in a different setting.

 

If they gave us all that sh*t right off the bat, what would we have to look forward to in the next game, besides the obvious things?

If they're holding back on simple features that they've had before in past games, then all that says is that they still have nothing new up their sleeves.

 

It makes no sense that Taxi missions were available for a short time at the start of IV, but then taken away. People don't like having something, and then having it taken away.

 

Then there's all the interiors that become available during certain missions, but become unaccesable, or simply vacant after their time in the sotry is up.

 

It happens again in TBOGT, where during the night we can enter most nightclubs, but as you progress, you once again lose content instead of gaining it.

 

These are just a couple of examples of features that should have remained available beyond their short stint where they are relevent to the story. There's plenty of other non-groundbreaking features from past GTA's that should have just been in IV by default.

[HipHopHeadSeb]

dont get me wrong i did like GTA IV it just didnt live up to my expectation, aswell as most ppl i know. i really was expecting a step up in terms of both graphics AND options. especially because the leap we experianced, from old consoles to next gen.

 

features taken out of san andreas like robbing houses, car customization and country side etc etc etc annoyed me.

 

the fact that taxi missions arent permanent is annoying like reform ses.

 

i do play IV but it does get boring pretty quickly in my view. IV maps is boring compared to SA in my opinion

 

of course gta 5 will be a good game, my worry is how good of a game will it be. i really wont be happy with IV.5, i wasnt even really happy with IV

 

i agree with reform

 

EDIT : i kind of feal confident that there gonna include features from RDR to GTA... but they never included features from the warriors into GTA, and the features the warriors had were just perfect for GTA games, like mugging people, smash n grabs stick up on shops, vandalism, buying drugs, all the melee weapons, stealing car stereos.... i was also really hoping for much better hand fighting like the warriors, and the ability to tackle running away targets... (its retarded we cant tackle people who run away, but you can on the warriors which is now a well old game) fighting on the warriors is insane. on IV its slow and unresponsive and inaccurate

 

these are all things i was really hoping for in GTA IV, they were in the warriors, which is a rockstar game. and they never included anything from the warriors ,really let me down.

 

and even with all this i can still think of things that were never introduced to GTA but need to be

Edited May 16, 2011 by HipHopHeadSeb

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

i cant think of a game that SHOULDNT have online multiplayer.

every game should have online play.

 

 

NO! You are wrong. There's no opinion about this. You are wrong. Very wrong. You don't play many genres of games do you? You think all platformers should have a tacked on online multiplayer mode? You think all adventure games and RPGs should tacked on multiplayer? You think every puzzle game should have some sort of random online multiplayer? I could go on and on. If you think every game needs online multiplayer then you cant play many games.

 

With that said, GTA is something that very much suits multiplayer and it should be improved with GTA V.

[HipHopHeadSeb]

i play games from sand box gangster games, to first person shooter games, to action adventure games, to racing games and so on....

i am not wrong.. i literally cannot think of a game that wont benifit from online play... im not sure about puzzle games but im sure online play could be cleverly incorporated into a puzzle game in a fun and competitive way.

if you think a game shouldnt have online play just because its in a certain genre then lol at you, online play has plenty of possibilities.

 

EDIT : heavy rain! thats a game i cant see having online play, i cant see how online would work on that game.. it took me a while of racking my brains to think of that game

 

i even play city building games on the PC.. which have online play

 

ANOTHER EDIT : even quiz games have good potential for online play.

Edited May 16, 2011 by HipHopHeadSeb

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

i play games from sand box gangster games, to first person shooter games, to action adventure games, to racing games and so on....

i am not wrong.. i literally cannot think of a game that wont benifit from online play... im not sure about puzzle games but im sure online play could be cleverly incorporated into a puzzle game in a fun and competitive way.

If you cant think of a game that wouldn't benefit from online play then you don't play many games. Ok I'll give you a short list off the top of my head. Super Mario Galaxy. How the HELL would you incorporate online play there? Or in most platformers for that matter? Certain platformers suit co-op or something like sonic suits a race mode. Most are single player focused and wouldn't benefit at all from online play.

 

Any Legend of Zelda game. What would you have? Random online sword fights? Boomerang deathmatch? It would be retarded having any sort of online mp in a game like that and would be tacked on and take time that would be better spent on perfecting the single player. Adventure games like that in general would not benefit from online.

 

Any Professor Layton game or puzzle game of that type. No way could you come up with any sort of multiplayer mode. Certain puzzle games yes, but something like Professor Layton, no. Or Ghost Trick. Or Hotel Dusk. I'm mentioning a few DS games I'm looking at right now.

 

I'm not going to waste my time listing all the games that don't suit online play. We both know there's thousands of games that do not need online mp, and if they did include it then the game would likely end up worse because developers would simply be wasting their time on a game mode that would be tacked on and crappy instead of improving the single player.

 

 

[HipHopHeadSeb]

 

i play games from sand box gangster games, to first person shooter games, to action adventure games, to racing games and so on....

i am not wrong.. i literally cannot think of a game that wont benifit from online play... im not sure about puzzle games but im sure online play could be cleverly incorporated into a puzzle game in a fun and competitive way.

If you cant think of a game that wouldn't benefit from online play then you don't play many games. Ok I'll give you a short list off the top of my head. Super Mario Galaxy. How the HELL would you incorporate online play there? Or in most platformers for that matter? Certain platformers suit co-op or something like sonic suits a race mode. Most are single player focused and wouldn't benefit at all from online play.

 

Any Legend of Zelda game. What would you have? Random online sword fights? Boomerang deathmatch? It would be retarded having any sort of online mp in a game like that and would be tacked on and take time that would be better spent on perfecting the single player. Adventure games like that in general would not benefit from online.

 

Any Professor Layton game or puzzle game of that type. No way could you come up with any sort of multiplayer mode. Certain puzzle games yes, but something like Professor Layton, no. Or Ghost Trick. Or Hotel Dusk. I'm mentioning a few DS games I'm looking at right now.

 

I'm not going to waste my time listing all the games that don't suit online play. We both know there's thousands of games that do not need online mp, and if they did include it then the game would likely end up worse because developers would simply be wasting their time on a game mode that would be tacked on and crappy instead of improving the single player.

i dont play childish nintendo games.. but i have done before so here goes...

 

super mario could easily benifit from co-op multiplayer or even versus multiplayer. ill let you imagine possibilities as you play, if your imagination cant figure out something fun to do with an online player on that game. then your imagination is extremely sh*t, and so is that game.

 

same with zelda.

 

professor layton? pffft. like i said maybe puzzle games couldnt have online play but im sure theres a way.

[*MURDOC*]

i play games from sand box gangster games, to first person shooter games, to action adventure games, to racing games and so on....

i am not wrong.. i literally cannot think of a game that wont benifit from online play... im not sure about puzzle games but im sure online play could be cleverly incorporated into a puzzle game in a fun and competitive way.

If you cant think of a game that wouldn't benefit from online play then you don't play many games. Ok I'll give you a short list off the top of my head. Super Mario Galaxy. How the HELL would you incorporate online play there? Or in most platformers for that matter? Certain platformers suit co-op or something like sonic suits a race mode. Most are single player focused and wouldn't benefit at all from online play.

 

Any Legend of Zelda game. What would you have? Random online sword fights? Boomerang deathmatch? It would be retarded having any sort of online mp in a game like that and would be tacked on and take time that would be better spent on perfecting the single player. Adventure games like that in general would not benefit from online.

 

Any Professor Layton game or puzzle game of that type. No way could you come up with any sort of multiplayer mode. Certain puzzle games yes, but something like Professor Layton, no. Or Ghost Trick. Or Hotel Dusk. I'm mentioning a few DS games I'm looking at right now.

 

I'm not going to waste my time listing all the games that don't suit online play. We both know there's thousands of games that do not need online mp, and if they did include it then the game would likely end up worse because developers would simply be wasting their time on a game mode that would be tacked on and crappy instead of improving the single player.

Some of the genres you listed may not be plausible to have versus multiplayer, but would be excellent with co-op.

 

There's more to multiplayer than deathmatches and sh*t.

[HipHopHeadSeb]

There's more to multiplayer than deathmatches and sh*t.

exactly.

[GTAWithStyle]

MP is awesome in IV and will be even more awesome in V... I'm sorry but that's just the way it will be

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

 

i play games from sand box gangster games, to first person shooter games, to action adventure games, to racing games and so on....

i am not wrong.. i literally cannot think of a game that wont benifit from online play... im not sure about puzzle games but im sure online play could be cleverly incorporated into a puzzle game in a fun and competitive way.

If you cant think of a game that wouldn't benefit from online play then you don't play many games. Ok I'll give you a short list off the top of my head. Super Mario Galaxy. How the HELL would you incorporate online play there? Or in most platformers for that matter? Certain platformers suit co-op or something like sonic suits a race mode. Most are single player focused and wouldn't benefit at all from online play.

 

Any Legend of Zelda game. What would you have? Random online sword fights? Boomerang deathmatch? It would be retarded having any sort of online mp in a game like that and would be tacked on and take time that would be better spent on perfecting the single player. Adventure games like that in general would not benefit from online.

 

Any Professor Layton game or puzzle game of that type. No way could you come up with any sort of multiplayer mode. Certain puzzle games yes, but something like Professor Layton, no. Or Ghost Trick. Or Hotel Dusk. I'm mentioning a few DS games I'm looking at right now.

 

I'm not going to waste my time listing all the games that don't suit online play. We both know there's thousands of games that do not need online mp, and if they did include it then the game would likely end up worse because developers would simply be wasting their time on a game mode that would be tacked on and crappy instead of improving the single player.

i dont play childish nintendo games.. but here goes...

 

super mario could easily benifit from co-op multiplayer or even versus multiplayer. ill let you imagine possibilities as you play, if your imagination cant figure out something fun to do with an online player on that game. then your imagination is extremely sh*t, and so is that game.

 

same with zelda.

 

professor layton? pffft. like i said maybe puzzle games couldnt have online play but im sure theres a way.

Lol. Childish Nintendo games? Ah the stereotypical bro gamer. If it doesn't have violence, guns or has cartoony graphics then it sucks. For teh record, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is one of the best games ever made and easily one of the best games of last year.

 

And no Super Mario Galaxy would no benefit from co-op or versus. It could if they changed the level designs majorly to accommodate co-op, but that would just hurt the single player focused level designs. New Super Mario Bros Wii does. In fact it already has co-op. Split screen only though. The design of Mario Galaxy doesn't suit co-op. The fact you called Nintendo games childish leads me to believe you know absolutely nothing about the games anyway. But you want an example of another platformer? Super Meat Boy. Try incorporating online mp in to that. Not even co-op would suit that. Then again you've probably never even heard of Super Meat Boy since platformers are probably alien to you.

 

Zelda is an adventure game all about the single player. Please, tell me one way online play would benefit the game without feeling tacked on.

 

So you concede puzzle games? You're going to have to concede a ton of other games from other genres too. Play more games.

[HipHopHeadSeb]

your an idiot.

 

 

and no, a game doesnt need violence in it for me to play it... i just said i play racing games and city building games....

 

and YES MARIO WOULD BENIFIT FROM ONLINE PLAY U SPAZ

 

im not gonna explain all the different scenarios of how mario could have online, because theres so many, and if you cant even think of 1 then your a f*cking retard.

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

i play games from sand box gangster games, to first person shooter games, to action adventure games, to racing games and so on....

i am not wrong.. i literally cannot think of a game that wont benifit from online play... im not sure about puzzle games but im sure online play could be cleverly incorporated into a puzzle game in a fun and competitive way.

If you cant think of a game that wouldn't benefit from online play then you don't play many games. Ok I'll give you a short list off the top of my head. Super Mario Galaxy. How the HELL would you incorporate online play there? Or in most platformers for that matter? Certain platformers suit co-op or something like sonic suits a race mode. Most are single player focused and wouldn't benefit at all from online play.

 

Any Legend of Zelda game. What would you have? Random online sword fights? Boomerang deathmatch? It would be retarded having any sort of online mp in a game like that and would be tacked on and take time that would be better spent on perfecting the single player. Adventure games like that in general would not benefit from online.

 

Any Professor Layton game or puzzle game of that type. No way could you come up with any sort of multiplayer mode. Certain puzzle games yes, but something like Professor Layton, no. Or Ghost Trick. Or Hotel Dusk. I'm mentioning a few DS games I'm looking at right now.

 

I'm not going to waste my time listing all the games that don't suit online play. We both know there's thousands of games that do not need online mp, and if they did include it then the game would likely end up worse because developers would simply be wasting their time on a game mode that would be tacked on and crappy instead of improving the single player.

Some of the genres you listed may not be plausible to have versus multiplayer, but would be excellent with co-op.

 

There's more to multiplayer than deathmatches and sh*t.

True. But again I could name TONS of games where multiplayer of any kind would not suit. SOME would suit co-op. SOME suit versus. Some suit a single player only experience. Anybody that plays a good variety of games knows that. Come on, anybody that actually thinks every game needs mp is delusional. Tacking on some sort of mp to a game that doesn't suit it is never a good thing.

[InversionOff]

95% of games are suitable for multiplayer. including mario and zelda the ones that arent suitable for multiplayer arent worth playing.

[Drift-Kingz]

Mario? Childish? Really, are you f*cking stupid?

[InversionOff]

Mario? Childish? Really, are you f*cking stupid?

sarcasm?

[Drift-Kingz]

Nope. If it was, I would add the sarcasm smiley ( ).

[InversionOff]

Nope. If it was, I would add the sarcasm smiley ( ).

mario is childish, i played it when i was incredibly young, it has bright colours and its easy, plus its aimed at children, so yeah, i dunno if it can get much clearer then that. and that smiley doesnt represent sarcasm very well lol

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

 

your an idiot.

 

 

and no, a game doesnt need violence in it for me to play it... i just said i play racing games and city building games....

 

and YES MARIO WOULD BENIFIT FROM ONLINE PLAY U SPAZ

 

im not gonna explain all the different scenarios of how mario could have online, because theres so many, and if you cant even think of 1 then your a f*cking retard.

I'm an idiot? You're the one that actually said EVERY game needs online mp. That's idiocy. That's beyond idiocy. For one, respond to this. What good would come out of Super Meat Boy having online of any sort? What good would come out of Hotel Dusk having online play? What good would come out of Zelda having online play?

 

You also said you don't play childish nintendo games. You just grouped every nintendo game ever made into childishness. And I'm the idiot? I could come up with dozens of games where online play would enhance nothing.

 

Come on now. For real. Do you honestly believe EVERY game needs online play? Come on now, surely you see how idiotic that statement is by now? But I will admit using Mario as an example wasn't the greatest example to use, even if it is better as a single player focused game.

Edited May 16, 2011 by I like GTA and Saints Row

[InversionOff]

every game i can think of needs online play. well they dont NEED it per say, but they could easily benifit from it, like hiphopheadseb said. unless your talking about that proffessor game, which i have never played, but that type of game seems to be in the rare category of unstuitable for online play, like merdoc (i think thats his name) said online is more then just death matches.

 

also he never stated every game from nintendo was childish, you listed zelda and mario... and your suprised when he said they were childish?

you really are an idiot. zelda is hard is some parts of the game, but i was still young when i mastered it.

Edited May 16, 2011 by InversionOff

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

every game i can think of needs online play. well they dont NEED it per say, but they could easily benifit from it, like hiphopheadseb said. unless your talking about that proffessor game, which i have never played, but that type of game seems to be in the rare category of unstuitable for online play, like merdoc (i think thats his name) said online is more then just death matches.

 

also he never stated every game from nintendo was childish, you isted zelda and mario... and your suprised when he said they were childish?

you really are an idiot.

Ok, so what about the ones I just listed? Have you played them. Play them and tell me those would benefit from online. You are wrong. You are an idiot if you think every game. Heavy Rain is another example. Point and click adventures. Certain simulation games There are LOADS of exceptions. You are very ignorant if you think there aren't loads that wouldn't benefit from online.

 

By the way lol at Zelda being childish. Many of the puzzles and level designs in that series can be quite tough for kids. To call that childish is retarded. And ignorant.

[InversionOff]

 

every game i can think of needs online play. well they dont NEED it per say, but they could easily benifit from it, like hiphopheadseb said. unless your talking about that proffessor game, which i have never played, but that type of game seems to be in the rare category of unstuitable for online play, like merdoc (i think thats his name) said online is more then just death matches.

 

also he never stated every game from nintendo was childish, you isted zelda and mario... and your suprised when he said they were childish?

you really are an idiot.

Ok, so what about the ones I just listed? Have you played them. Play them and tell me those would benefit from online. You are wrong. You are an idiot if you think every game. Heavy Rain is another example. Point and click adventures. Certain simulation games There are LOADS of exceptions. You are very ignorant if you think there aren't loads that wouldn't benefit from online.

 

By the way lol at Zelda being childish. Many of the puzzles and level designs in that series can be quite tough for kids. To call that childish is retarded. And ignorant.

your retarded and ignorant taking peoples posts so literally that you cant even realise the guy said himself not quite every game could hold online play and even gave an example himself which you just repeated, and once again if you cant think of a scenario in mario or zelda fun for online then your even more retarded. i said 95% of games are suitable, i never said every game, but its clear that hiphophead didnt mean every single game in the entire world even tho thats what he said.. but he corrected himself afterwards. and his arguement is alot better than yours im afraid.

 

by the way, ye gta 4 does get boring after a while, and gta really needs more to really hold onto the replay value

Edited May 16, 2011 by InversionOff

[I like GTA and Saints Row]

every game i can think of needs online play. well they dont NEED it per say, but they could easily benifit from it, like hiphopheadseb said. unless your talking about that proffessor game, which i have never played, but that type of game seems to be in the rare category of unstuitable for online play, like merdoc (i think thats his name) said online is more then just death matches.

 

also he never stated every game from nintendo was childish, you isted zelda and mario... and your suprised when he said they were childish?

you really are an idiot.

Ok, so what about the ones I just listed? Have you played them. Play them and tell me those would benefit from online. You are wrong. You are an idiot if you think every game. Heavy Rain is another example. Point and click adventures. Certain simulation games There are LOADS of exceptions. You are very ignorant if you think there aren't loads that wouldn't benefit from online.

 

By the way lol at Zelda being childish. Many of the puzzles and level designs in that series can be quite tough for kids. To call that childish is retarded. And ignorant.

your retarded and ignorant taking peoples posts so literally that you cant even realise the guy said himself not quite every game could hold online play and even gave an example himself which you just repeated, and once again if you cant think of a scenario in mario or zelda fun for online then your even more retarded.

When I said not every game would benefit from online he didn't concede that was true and say he meant only the majority. If he says that then all well and good. He literally said he couldn't think of one game that wouldn't benefit from online. He then said puzzle games might not. And Heavy Rain. I continue to come up with examples but instead of actually replying with a counter argument, all he can do is say an insult. Because he knows I'm right. Hell, you just conceded I'm right. Not all games benefit from online. If he only meant most then he should have said most. When I came up with examples of games he should have said he meant most and stopped this right then and there.

 

I can think of scenarios where online could be implemented in some of the games I said. Can I think of a scenario where the game would be the better for it? In most, no. Because in most the mp would be tacked on and take away from the single player and they are single player focused games. Mario perhaps, but many other games no.

[tenfold]

Although i do agree that every game can make good use of online features, what with the almost limitless modes fathomable. This isn't the issue of this thread, this conversation needs to end, and if you wish to continue it, take it somewhere else instead of destroying this thread.

 

And i love GTA, you are obviously not right in his eyes and insisting that you are right IS ignorant. Me personally, can think plenty of plausible heavy rain online features, and if you gave me enough time, me and my friends could probably come up with all sorts of online modes that could be used on every genre of game.

Edited May 16, 2011 by tenfold

[Drift-Kingz]

 

Nope. If it was, I would add the sarcasm smiley ( ).

mario is childish, i played it when i was incredibly young, it has bright colours and its easy, plus its aimed at children, so yeah, i dunno if it can get much clearer then that. and that smiley doesnt represent sarcasm very well lol

Cite where the Mario series is aimed for children (which in general, really isn't). The Mario series in general is mainly aimed for casual, typical gamers. There are no major aspects that make the game mainly suitable for children at all. Does rescuing a character in a game seem childish? Does going through challenged (that test your mind and skills) obstacles to rescue 'Princess Peach' (I will admit, that name seems a bit corny) seem childish? Because IMO, I don't think so, and I'm pretty sure many others agree with me as well. There are tons of people out there (that aren't childish) that still play Mario today, mainly because they find it humorous, and take advantage of it as a 'mind game'. Yes, I said 'mind game'. Mario offers such complex obstacles, it will literally test your brain and coordination. Nintendo doesn't do it for children, they do it for entertainment and offering people, regardless the age, an enjoyable, decent experience.

 

Also, bright colors doesn't make the game childish. GTA Vice City had bright colors. Did Rockstar make that game so that children could enjoy themselves in a deranged manner? Or how about GTA 1? Hmm? Did Rockstar do that for children? I mean seriously, that point was stupid in so many ways, it could take ages to describe it in a clear manner.

 

 

your retarded and ignorant taking peoples posts so literally that you cant even realise the guy said himself not quite every game could hold online play and even gave an example himself which you just repeated, and once again if you cant think of a scenario in mario or zelda fun for online then your even more retarded. i said 95% of games are suitable, i never said every game, but its clear that hiphophead didnt mean every single game in the entire world even tho thats what he said.. but he corrected himself afterwards. and his arguement is alot better than yours im afraid.

 

by the way, ye gta 4 does get boring after a while, and gta really needs more to really hold onto the replay value

 

I'm gonna ask you, cite where 95% of games are suitable for implementing it into an online multiplayer aspect. Tell me, where did you get that from? Hmm? Because you seem to be spewing off random sh*t, which clearly doesn't make any sense.

 

I agree with 'I Like GTA and Saints Row'. I don't get how all games NEED to have an online experience. There is no f*cking way. Take Mario for example. The game is based on a basic story which leads to an adventure and going through obstacles which test your coordination and skills. So now add an online experience to that, and what do you get? NOTHING. Just shows that all games don't require or need an online experience. You must be completely ill-informed to assume that.

[InversionOff]

 

I'm gonna ask you, cite where 95% of games are suitable for implementing it into an online multiplayer aspect. Tell me, where did you get that from? Hmm? Because you seem to be spewing off random sh*t, which clearly doesn't make any sense.

of course that statistic was made up and random, your another example of a retard taking posts to seriously. oops seriously is the wrong word, i ment literally.

but tenfold is right, im out of here.

[Drift-Kingz]

I never took it seriously. All I did was spread a point out. If anyone is the retard, it's you. Making up a random statistic just to look smart? Get tha f*ck out of here.