Gareth Alan Willmer Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Right there's been a lot of confusion out there about the GTA 3 and GTA IV Era and if they are the same and in conclusion to each other. So im going to clear this up right now. In The Grand Theft Auto 3 Era we witnessed crazy out of this world story lines and events leading up to what the GTA 3 Universe was all about. In the GTA 3 Universe we witnessed heros like Claude Tommy Vercetti Carl Johnson Toni Ciprani Victor Vance Adding to this other characters that where part of the GTA 3 Universe which helped make the GTA 3 universe more popular. All the events and story-lines of the GTA 3 Universe have all still happend as of today May 2011. However in the GTA IV universe no of these events ever did happen since GTA IV is a separate Universe to GTA 3. This means none of the events in the GTA 3 universe ever happend in the GTA IV Universe. The GTA IV Universe is based on none of the events in GTA 3 ever happening which is why you don't see the forellis salvatores mafia etc. Originally rockstar intended to carry on the GTA 3 events and make liberty city the one we all knew and love from GTA 3 with some massive additions however they decided to start a fresh and made GTA IV all based in a separate universe. To make this clear to all of you the GTA IV Liberty City is not the GTA 3 Liberty City you all know and love. In the GTA IV era aka universe its still Liberty City with different events meaning none of the GTA 3 Charicters ever existed. There are references to the GTA 3 era all threw out the GTA IV game and dlcs however this is a reference for nostalgia GTA 3 fans and does not in anyway suggest all the GTA 3 characters are dead since they never existed nor the events from the GTA 3 Universe in the GTA IV universe to begin with. So there you have it GTA 3 and GTA IV are not to be confused as to being the conclusion as they are not. However there is a possibility with enough demand from the public for Rockstar to do one final GTA 3 era game for the Playstation 3 or Xbox 360 which would answer a lot of questions after the events of GTA 3. I can assure you that Rockstar wont kill any of the GTA 3 Charicters in the GTA 3 era as they wouldnt want to upset to many fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Thanks Captain Obvious. I think we've known about this for a few years now. GTAIV is not just a new start story and character wise though. Liberty City in GTAIV is pretty much New York remade and renamed. Liberty City in GTAIII was based on New York, but lacked landmarks such as the Statue of Liberty. In other words, Rockstar is going for realism now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioman Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Thanks Captain Obvious. I think we've known about this for a few years now. GTAIV is not just a new start story and character wise though. Liberty City in GTAIV is pretty much New York remade and renamed. Liberty City in GTAIII was based on New York, but lacked landmarks such as the Statue of Liberty. In other words, Rockstar is going for realism now. Yeah, it may seem obvious to most people, but...there are A LOT of people who confuse the two games, as they have posted in the LCS(Liberty City Stories) section asking for help with the IV Era games though. It was even mentioned that the games are the same....here. Just a heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB0333 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Well, you have to be naturally stupid to mix those two eras or not forwarded to GTA serials. It's either first or second. In my opinion, first one is prevalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It's too bad they've cut off all comms with the III era. But it would be good if they made another game in the III era style. Screw realism, fun is what determines the desire to play. Also, SOme of the III era characters HAVE been killed: Victor Vance and Claude (in GTA2) but all others are alive for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB0333 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Also, SOme of the III era characters HAVE been killed: Victor Vance and Claude (in GTA2) but all others are alive for good. Killed? Hmm... As far as I know, III era has nothing to do with GTA 2. They aren't connected. So, the Claude from GTA 2 isn't Claude from III, don't you remember? (at least I think so ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Claude had 2 lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB0333 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Claude had 2 lives. Hah, aha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) So, the Claude from GTA 2 isn't Claude from III, don't you remember? No, they are, don't be ridicculous. GTA:III was meant to be a prequel to GTA2, they were from the same series. But Vice City created that 'era' separation between GTA2 and GTA:III which is totally artificial and not planned by Rockstar. Let's return on-topic now, shall we? EDIT: JustRob, sorry for the mistake, my bad! Edited May 16, 2011 by Arsen Vitiuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Actually it's technically not a prequel since it takes place after GTAIII. But since GTA2 was released first, it's not a sequel either... Hmm I forgot what you call that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jago Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Actually it's technically not a prequel since it takes place after GTAIII. But since GTA2 was released first, it's not a sequel either... Hmm I forgot what you call that. He said GTA III was a prequel to GTA 2, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo -___- Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I still believe there's no eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I still believe there's no eras. But IV's Liberty City makes us believe so. I also believe there are no 'eras' but someone made such a definition and people sticked to it. I doubt it was a Rockstar producer who said that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB0333 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) Oh man, this is becoming real complicated... No, Claude from 2 and III can't be same. As someone said, GTA 2 events are after III's. It's placed in Anywhere City, which was meant to be futuristic one. Year is not known, but it is in far future, for sure. So, they aren't same. VC is based on III's engine, so if we're going to involve eras in this, III and VC are in same era. Edited May 18, 2011 by AB0333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Oh man, this is becoming real complicated... No, Claude from 2 and III can't be same. As someone said, GTA 2 events are after III's. It's placed in Anywhere City, which was meant to be futuristic one. Year is not known, but it is in far future, for sure. So, they aren't same. VC is based on III's engine, so if we're going to involve eras in this, III and VC are in same era. No, GTA2's Claude and GTA:III's Claude are the SAME!. Can you easily find two guys on the streets that are similar in behaviour and appearance with the name 'Claude' which is quite rare in USA. The events in GTA2 take place in Anywhere City in 2013, so that's not in far future, believe me, even if compared from the point of 2000's year view. If we're gonna sort the games by engine, then III won't belong to III era as III's engine is different from VC's to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB0333 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Yeah, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie_ Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 You can tell Rockstar cares a lot less about this timeline and characters thing than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 They actually do care a lot, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered to re-introduce characters like Kent Paul and Ken Rosenberg in GTA San Andreas. Hell, they even re-used Jethro and Dwaine, two minor characters from Vice City. The same goes for Donald Love. They wouldn't have made him show up in Vice City if they didn't care about their characters. It's just that Rockstar's plan was always to make a trilogy, nothing more. So they did, plus they created two extra games, LCS and VCS. I just think Rockstar thought that era was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I just think Rockstar thought that era was done. Too bad if they really thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulieee Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 @JustRob: (I'm not being sarcastic here ) Hey, what you said really makes sense, you are right. They probably wanted to make a trilogy and added the two "spin-off" games, LCS and VCS (which were shit imo), and then they closed the chapter to start something new. Like the stories of those old characters have already been told and they won't re appear in the new games. It makes sense, thanks for making it clear! (again, not being sarcastic) Too bad if they really thought so. Yah, I didn't like the "new era" very much either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleBlower Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) So, the Claude from GTA 2 isn't Claude from III, don't you remember? No, they are, don't be ridicculous. GTA:III was meant to be a prequel to GTA2 It was, as in what could have been, meaning that it isn't actually true that both Claudes from GTA 2 and GTA III are the same. Like I've said before, it's merely a coincidence. Darkel was originally going to be in the game but they scrapped him out. Donald Love was originally going to be killed, but he mysteriously disappeared instead. Is there a connection in the final product? No. So then why is it that you apply the same logic for Claude? Pre-production/beta =/= the final product. You know what I think is that it's easy for you to say that there's a connection since GTA 2 is based in such a vague futuristic setting (news flash: Anywhere City means *gasp* absolutely anywhere as it has no real identity) where you're in control of a character who doesn't speak. You're trying desperately to keep Claude's legacy alive. It's creepy, dude. Edited May 25, 2011 by WhistleBlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 At first I did not believe myself that GTA:III and GTA2 characters are different. But after playing these both games and watching GTA2 intro movie my mind changed. Claude CANNOT be a mere coincidence. Just think of it. Starting with the Rockstar producers are not stupid enough to make such a coincidence like naming GTA:III character after GTA2's if they were planned to be different characters. This has been done on purpose, as back then, in 2001, GTA:III was meant to be a prequel of GTA2, and it was. But after creation of Vice City in 2002, the gamologists (sorry, dunno how to call'em) introduced an artificial 'era' term, which separated organically connected GTA2 and GTA:III, thus splitting the only Claude in 2 Claudes, which became different although they are alike. That's what the world done to GTA games! In an attempt to save Claude's ass and reputation, Rockstar made a confirmation on several public sites like Facebook and Twitter that Claude is Claude Speed. But the already brainwashed snd indoctrinated majority iof GTA gamers did not accept this point. If you haven't played GTA2, then I suggest you do. You'll get the whole picture yourself. And as I said before, if, and only if, Rockstar producers say that there are, in fact, 2 Claudes, only then will I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleBlower Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 The GTA 2 intro movie looked like it took place in New York City and, not only that, it showed him in one scene yelling at someone else which further disproves the notion that both Claudes are the same since he is introverted. He NEVER shows any emotion in GTA III and he doesn't talk either. So yes, it can be a mere coincidence because at the end of the day he's just a bunch of pixels. His ass, let alone his reputation, doesn't need saving from the developers at Rockstar Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 His ass, let alone his reputation, doesn't need saving from the developers at Rockstar Games. You have no mercy for the guy! Anyway, you can't tell whether he was yelling or not. He could have as well opened his mouth in such an expressive way to show how much he wanted that Redneck to die. Also, in GTA:III Claude does express emotion sometimes. You have to understand, that compared to the movie, game programming had limitations at that time, so it could not shiw Claude as much as Malsen did in the movie. About the setting. You know, Anywhere City has no counterpart in real world, so they picked up the closest one available to film the movie in - New York City. Maybe this inspired making GTA:III in Liberty City. As far as I remember, on one of GTA:III artworks there was a picture of a back alley featured in GTA2 movie. Regarding Claude Speed: I will believe that they are different only if Rockstar producers say so. Until then, you're fighting the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycek Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I want to throw something to that discussion, so here you go: First, GTA doesn't exactly take place in 2013. The game was published at 27.10.1999 and I believed that date in the game is somewhat close. There was already discussion about that on GTAForums and here you got my points: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1060047042 I don't want to write this all over again, so I'm posting link. Second we don't know if the main character of GTA 2 is called Claude, because you can choose any name in the game. Claude Speed is guy played by Scott Maslen in the intro movie, but he didn't have to be in the game. Both of the characters are called Claude, so they can be the same person in two ways: 1. R* made nice intro with cool guy and wanted to use the guy somewhere else. 2. The same way like Batmans are connected. You got old Batman and Nolan's Batman. They are theoretically the same characters, but the dimensions where the movies were taking place are completely different. To sum this up: this can be the same guy, but as I say in earlier discussion the events from one game aren't connected to events from another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filip Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I choose 1 option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleBlower Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) Anyway, you can't tell whether he was yelling or not. He could have as well opened his mouth in such an expressive way to show how much he wanted that Redneck to die. He never shows any emotion though. That's the thing. He can't express his emotions. Maybe introverted isn't the exact term I'm looking for here. He was calm and collected. You know what I mean... Also, in GTA:III Claude does express emotion sometimes. You have to understand, that compared to the movie, game programming had limitations at that time, so it could not show Claude as much as Malsen did in the movie. Technical limitations is a poor excuse. The developers at Rockstar deliberately set up Claude's character to always listen and follow orders, provided said orders benefit him. Maria even calls into Lazlow's show on Chatterbox to express his behavior "He don't talk too much" and "He's always hanging out with the guys" etc. About the setting. You know, Anywhere City has no counterpart in real world, so they picked up the closest one available to film the movie in - New York City. Yes, which goes to show you how both Claudes aren't connected canon-wise. Maybe this inspired making GTA:III in Liberty City. Maybe. But that's all it would be. Inspiration. As far as I remember, on one of GTA:III artworks there was a picture of a back alley featured in GTA2 movie. Would you mind sharing it with us? Regarding Claude Speed: I will believe that they are different only if Rockstar producers say so. Until then, you're fighting the ocean. And you're not? So far I've provided more evidence to back up my claim. Edited May 25, 2011 by WhistleBlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) He never shows any emotion though. That's the thing. He can't express his emotions. Prove it. Maria even calls into Lazlow's show on Chatterbox to express his behavior "He don't talk too much" and "He's always hanging out with the guys" etc. That doesn't prove he's unemotional Yes, which goes to show you how both Claudes aren't connected canon-wise. Using your logic, the same could apply to Vice City's Donald Love and GTA:III's Donald Love. Whether the city exists in the real life or not has absolutely nothing to do with it! Would you mind sharing it with us? Here goes: Watch from 0:40 to 0:50. Now compare to: And you're not? No, I'm not. I'm fighting thousands of brainwashed and indoctrinated drones of the world's gameologists. Whatever the outcome, I will remain true to Rockstar and their words. Because they created the game and let it be so. ==================================================== First, GTA doesn't exactly take place in 2013. The game was published at 27.10.1999 and I believed that date in the game is somewhat close. That's wrong. 2013 is the date mentioned on the Rednecks website Second we don't know if the main character of GTA 2 is called Claude, because you can choose any name in the game. Claude Speed is guy played by Scott Maslen in the intro movie, but he didn't have to be in the game Disagree as well. The Intro depicts the guy that has to be in game - and that's cause Rockstar said so! The name selection has nothing to do with us playing as Claude under nickname (=our name) Both of the characters are called Claude, so they can be the same person in two ways: 1. R* made nice intro with cool guy and wanted to use the guy somewhere else. 2. The same way like Batmans are connected. You got old Batman and Nolan's Batman. They are theoretically the same characters, but the dimensions where the movies were taking place are completely different. Maybe. Maybe not. Rockstar can possibly tell. WHatever they say, I'll deem it ultimately correct! To sum this up: this can be the same guy, but as I say in earlier discussion the events from one game aren't connected to events from another. The Vice City events are not connected to GTA:III events in any way. How does that makes GTA:III & GTA2 somehow special? Edited May 26, 2011 by Arsen Vitiuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycek Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) There is no point in having discussion with you, because you're acting like a brick of concrete. You don't even wanna look at the evidence, because you already got your vision and nothing is gonna change it. That's wrong. 2013 is the date mentioned on the Rednecks website Vlad is saying about the eighties in GTA IV. Does it mean the game is taking place in the eighties? There are letters and diary on the GTA 2 website. Letters are dated on 1999 and diary on 2013. R* never officially stated when GTA 2 is taking place. They only said three weeks into the future. My proof shows that the game could take place in 1999 instead of 2013. Disagree as well. The Intro depicts the guy that has to be in game - and that's cause Rockstar said so! The name selection has nothing to do with us playing as Claude under nickname (=our name) Where is it stated that guy from the intro and the game are showing the same guy. Protagonist in GTA 2 was bald in beta, so it couldn't be the character played by Maslen. Besides that GTA 2 doesn't have any story, except this showed in letters and diaries on the website, so how do you know if the intro is connected to the game in any way. The Vice City events are not connected to GTA:III events in any way. How does that makes GTA:III & GTA2 somehow special? I don't even know what to write here. You just don't thinking properly if you are really mean this. Stories of GTA III and Vice are connected only a little, but you can't say that they are separated from each other. For example, we see how D. Love was learning to became a powerful mogul in LC, we see beginning of Forelli's downfall, etc. We don't see local connections (maybe because VC is taking place 15 years earlier than III), but we see global connections. And GTA 2 isn't connected in any way. Characters from 2 can't be found in III and vice versa. Edited May 26, 2011 by Tycek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsen Vitiuk Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The Vice City events are not connected to GTA:III events in any way. How does that makes GTA:III & GTA2 somehow special? I don't even know what to write here. You just don't thinking properly if you are really mean this. Stories of GTA III and Vice are connected only a little, but you can't say that they are separated from each other. For example, we see how D. Love was learning to became a powerful mogul in LC, we see beginning of Forelli's downfall, etc. We don't see local connections (maybe because VC is taking place 15 years earlier than III), but we see global connections. And GTA 2 isn't connected in any way. Characters from 2 can't be found in III and vice versa. Well, the GTA2 events are connected a little. I can prove it without any reference to Claude (or not Claude) In 2001 (GTA:III) we face the rise of the Zaibatsu as a medicine company "Zaibatsu Pharmaceuticals". By 2013 (GTA2) they became a large drug-trading concern known as "Zaibatsu Corporation", having very much influence in the criminal world. But, as GTA:III and Vice City, they are not connected globally. That settles it, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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