Dlc's

[Toup]

I decided to create this topic as this is a thing that almost every company has started charging for (sometimes for impressionant amounts of money, they're f*cking robbing us!). I, personnaly, have never bought a single DLC for a game because I completely disagree with this.

 

When we buy a product we should be given all the content it has, and then later, the companies should realese new content for FREE. Where is the sense of paying extra cash for a game that you already have? The company that does so might gain money, but looses respect. If this keeps going on like this we might end up paying 70 dollars for the CD and then other 70 for the content.

 

Share your opinion.

[OchyGTA]

The debate will go on, I am willing to pay for DLC if it is something like the EFLC as that was a game in its own right but I get pissed when I'm charged £10 for some sh*tty maps. In all honesty, I only buy COD DLC to get the zombie map.

[*MURDOC*]

I decided to create this topic as this is a thing that almost every company has started charging for (sometimes for impressionant amounts of money, they're f*cking robbing us!). I, personnaly, have never bought a single DLC for a game because I completely disagree with this.

 

When we buy a product we should be given all the content it has, and then later, the companies should realese new content for FREE. Where is the sense of paying extra cash for a game that you already have? The company that does so might gain money, but looses respect. If this keeps going on like this we might end up paying 70 dollars for the CD and then other 70 for the content.

 

Share your opinion.

Not all DLC is content that is already on the disc, and to just assume that is rather ignorant in my opinion.

 

Plus there are games that almost rely on DLC to stay afloat, so the game lasts much longer (a good example being music games like Rock Band), rather than pumping out sequel after sequel every few months.

 

 

 

 

But I do agree in part, I also find it a bit strange to pay for content that actually is already on the disc, and it likely is just to get a few extra dollars out of the consumer.

[Algonquin Bridge]

I think this image sums up how I feel about DLC:

 

There are exceptions, of course. Such as EFLC, Undead Nightmare, and DR2: Case West. I find each of these to be akin to an Expansion Pack, so don't mind paying for them.

[OchyGTA]

I think this image sums up how I feel about DLC:

 

There are exceptions, of course. Such as EFLC, Undead Nightmare, and DR2: Case West. I find each of these to be akin to an Expansion Pack, so don't mind paying for them.

Find it quite hard to compare COD to the Mona Lisa lol

[Narcis_speed6]

I have nothing against a dlc that actually changes something, instead of some skins and weapons.

[Lemus 91]

I don't ever think i've bought a DLC come to think of it. But i personally dont' give a sh*t paying a few extra bucks for DLC. money comes and goes.

[*MURDOC*]

 

I have nothing against a dlc that actually changes something, instead of some skins and weapons.

Even skins and weapons, at least in my opinion, can be worth it, but only if they are reasonable.

 

I honestly don't mind paying a dollar or two for a skin or something along those lines, if I like it, and if it's for a game I play often, but I've seen things like that go for around five dollars and such, and it seems a bit ridiculous.

[OysterBarron]

After having to pay for years now for content, I think its actually helping games more than anything, If you had all the content from the start then i know in my circumstances i play the game then dont touch it again normally. With DLC being added through the year it actually makes me pick up the game again and playit. I dont think i would have touched GTAIV again if it wasnt for the 2 pieces of DLC coming out.

 

Not all companys charge for content, I got map packs for rainbow six vegas 1 and 2 for free not to mention burnout paradise.

[Robinski]

A good idea executed badly, on the whole.

[Snake Without a Tongue]

I'm glad someone made a thread. Maybe now the LA Noire thread can go back to being about the game.

 

Anyway, I feel like everyone else does. I have no problem paying for something like EFLC, or new songs on Rock Band, but with games like Mafia II it feels like they're selling me bits and pieces of the game I already agreed to buy. And now with LA Noire, just the suggestion that, "oh, we accidentally made more game than we meant to so you'll have to buy more if you want to play it all" is total crap.

[anus]

Consumer sovereignty has become corporation sovereignty as most consumers don't have the self control to protest against bad business practices by not buying the product in question.

 

Most of the people who post in anger about how the COD DLCs are rip offs (which they are by the way) go ahead and buy them anyway.

[JOSEPH X]

I'm glad someone made a thread. Maybe now the LA Noire thread can go back to being about the game.

 

Anyway, I feel like everyone else does. I have no problem paying for something like EFLC, or new songs on Rock Band, but with games like Mafia II it feels like they're selling me bits and pieces of the game I already agreed to buy. And now with LA Noire, just the suggestion that, "oh, we accidentally made more game than we meant to so you'll have to buy more if you want to play it all" is total crap.

Pretty much how I feel. Games have become a bit of a carve-up these days.

 

It's just greed on the part of devs and publishers, and is just causing bad blood between them and gamers.

[[SM]CJZera]

I personally like Valve's way, a game is a service, not a product. People who buy them deserve all future content for it free, you still make a load of money through free DLCs, since new people buy the game anyway... Unless you make an entire new game, then it's okay to charge for it.

[baptiste]

DLC is great. I will always pay for good DLC. Sure theirs some bad DLC, but its not like you have to buy it.

 

No one really cares that you dont wanna buy the cod maps, dont buy them and move on with your life?

[Fnorg]

DLC is great. I will always pay for good DLC. Sure theirs some bad DLC, but its not like you have to buy it.

 

No one really cares that you dont wanna buy the cod maps, dont buy them and move on with your life?

Woo, sensibility!

 

Mass Effect 2 has had some pretty good DLC - some of it free, some of it not. I've bought them all, I think, except Arrival because I haven't had the time. Valve does it right by giving stuff away every two days or so. Honestly, I like DLC because I haven't had the chance to come across a really bad piece yet (the platform jumper thingy in ME2 doesn't count because it was free). Actually, I do remember Joe's Adventures for Mafia II, but I knew it was going to be bad so I pirated it. I played one mission and told myself f*ck this sh*t.

 

DLC increases a game's longevity and I'm all for that.

[The_Mario_Man]

I generally don't have much a problem paying for DLC when there's obviously a lot of work and content put into them (EFLC, Undead Nightmare, etc)

 

What I don't really like is DLC that is already done, packaged on the disk, or put on the market at the same time as the game's release just to stack another $10-20 onto a $60 price tag. But it really boils down to 'don't like it, don't buy it."

 

Better yet is DLC that charges you for stuff already in the game. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and Split/Second have downloads that charge you to unlock all of the weapons/items/vehicles/etc in the game without having to actually play through it. (Which, in my opinion, negatively affects replay value. Why play through the game again if you've already unlocked everything from the start?)

Edited May 15, 2011 by The_Mario_Man

[Dymez.]

DLC is a great addition when actually being an addition. Meaning, the way Rockstar does it, is right. GTA IV, Read Dead Redemption, and Midnight Club: LA were all very filling, good quality games that stand well on their own. The DLC really felt like an actual bonus and they also nearly felt like a full game on their own. EFLC to most was actually better than IV, Undead Nightmare was so much more lengthy than I expected and worth the dough, the South Central add-on to Midnight Club was also a very substantial addition. But the there are the others who make a full game and pretty much sell the consumer a 75% complete game for $60 and try to pawn it off as "extra" content for $30, later. This is what makes people condemn DLCs but no matter how much 50 people complain, there are millions who are still willing to buy it so it will never change.

 

There are developers that use the technology we have today to give us downloadable content.

 

Then there are developers that abuse the technology we have today to give us downloadable content. And to be honest, there is nothing we can do about them because the world is just too big and diverse for people to come together and stop them.

[Sam998]

I honestly wish there where no more map packs. Obviously there's the CoD examples, but there are also good developers that make them too. Bungie, a company that to me feels like Valve if they made Halo, made the Defient and Noble map packs. I haven't downloaded them yet, but that potential could have gone to something much cooler so it's a bit of a dissapointment.

[*MURDOC*]

 

I honestly wish there where no more map packs. Obviously there's the CoD examples, but there are also good developers that make them too. Bungie, a company that to me feels like Valve if they made Halo, made the Defient and Noble map packs. I haven't downloaded them yet, but that potential could have gone to something much cooler so it's a bit of a dissapointment.

 

 

Yeah dude, I'm with you on that one.

 

 

I would much rather stop playing the game, and then wait a long time for the next game to come out, rather than have the option to pay some extra bills to extend the experience of the game that I've enjoyed playing for the past few months.

[Rockworm]

This topic is a thin line between adding new content and just being greedy to the customers. It wasn't so long ago when I thought DLC = garbage and too be avoided at all cost. Then I got Episodes From Liberty City and I realized how wrong I was.

Obviously not a greedy attempt from the Devs to get more money from us.

Good DLC is that comes to mind is Fallout 3 (minus Operation Anchorage). New Vegas Dead Money and possibly the upcoming ones.

 

Mass Effect 2.

 

Usually I tend to wait for a game of the year edition like I did with Fallout 3 but honestly I don't have that kind of patience. But this hobby of ours isn't cheap to begin with.

I draw the line with appearance packs, and 1st day DLC. Just look at Dragon Age 2 to see what I mean with companies getting way too greedy.

Preorder this and get this and this and this and this.

If you don't pre order than this and this and this and this will be available to buy on day of release

Play our facebook game to unlock this.

play our Iphone app to unlock this.

Anyone who buys the game before January 1 will get this if not this will be available to buy on January 1.

Jeez at this point the line hasn't just been crossed its been butchered raped and forced to watch his entire species get slaughtered.

I hate what littleBigPlanet did. All these apperance packs and i can't for any reason see why anyone would see that as money well spent. I don't care how cheap it is.

I'm noticing fighting games leaving characters out so they can be DLC. Oh Shooma gorrath is a DLC now no thanks he should've been in the game from the start.

If its obvious it was left out of the game just so they can get more money from us I'm out and someone said its as simple as "don't want it don't buy it" But its not that simple I'm all for using your money the way you want but if you do buy these things then you're telling these companies that "please take my money I don't deserve it so you being greedy is doing me a favor"

[Robinski]

Mass Effect was my kryptonite for DLC. I'll usually pass on most things that don't provide a few hours of gameplay, but for some reason I just wanted Bioware to shut up and take my money. I think I bought everything apart from one of the appearence packs and Arrival, both only being left behind because I haven't played the game for months/don't have access to an xbox at the moment.

 

I' more of the camp that things like EFLC and Red Dead Nightmare are exceptions. They aren't examples of what good DLC is, but rather examples of outstanding DLC. I don't mean that in terms of fun but rather amount of content. I don't expect that sort of thing from any game really. I'd say that good, worthwhile DLC for me is more along the lines of the Fallout 3 pieces.

 

I still want my money back for the f*cking horse armour in Oblivion though. I was so niave.

[mattymcs]

I didn't realise this post was here so will c&p my thoughts I posted in the LA Noire thread.

 

I dont have a problem with DLC if -

 

- the game is value for money without it

 

AND

 

- the DLC is value for money

 

I love the last two fallout games and have put a ridiculous amount of hours into each. To say I got my moneys worth from the base game is a massive understatement. I bought all the DLC's for F3 and got my moneys worth out of them, and I will with all the NV ones too.

 

DLC isn't always a bad thing. If they make a good game and you are really into it, then having additional missions come out down the line is great, and not something that would have happened in the past.

 

To say that the makers should release all DLC for free after the game comes out is stupid. Why should they keep on making new stuff for no money? You can't expect that. If the game was worth buying in the first place then you don't need free DLC too. If the game isn't worth bying in the first place without DLC being added, then don't f*cking buy it.

 

I can understand where the companies are coming from with the Online Pass thing because of the second hand market. But I don't really buy second hand games, if it's a game I really want then it's a release day purchase, and if its a game that I would like but is less of a priority I will wait a couple of months till the price is halved and then buy it new.

 

I don't think 2nd hand games are great value for money as the savings aren't really that good as you can usually get games new pretty cheap online once it's been out a month or two.

 

 

[Mokrie Dela]

I really dislike preorder bonuses. By all means have ONE but not all these different ones. And now you pay for them? After a year, RDR's was released - THAT should have been free.

 

DLCs like TBOGT, TLAD, and the fallout packs, that add a lot more - that's ok. I'll happily pay a tenner for things like TBOGT and TLAD. They're worth it imo.

 

When you see games with extra cars and guns for download, for a price. That i disagree with.

 

Give us the game, in its entirety, for ouy 50 quid. Then if they release major add ons, fine.

[Snake Without a Tongue]

Something vaguely related. The co-op DLC for RDR. Am I the only one that felt guilty that they offered it for free? I played the hell out of that. I felt like I was stealing.

[Toup]

 

Something vaguely related. The co-op DLC for RDR. Am I the only one that felt guilty that they offered it for free? I played the hell out of that. I felt like I was stealing.

That's just one of the things that made RDR GOTY, it's those little things...

[Blackadder.]

I feel like DLC is a good idea, and the way Valve is going about it seems to be pretty good (outside of the MannCo/Robot Enrichment store) but there are of course companies that just abuse this. Mafia 2 is one of the worst examples that comes to mind, to which Take 2 then had the audacity to release a 'Director's Cut.' I'm all for adding content but taking it out is pretty weak.

 

I guess I'm one of the few who wasn't extremely impressed by Undead Nightmare either. It was pretty neat yes, but the story was really short and padded out with 'Complete 3 Graveyards' and 'Pick X and Y flowers.' Just felt like a really cheap way to extend an already short story.

[Claude4Catalina]

I remeber I had a few idea's for themed packs for GTAIV, had 4 weapons, 2 vehicles and 2 sets of clothes, which if they were priced at about 600 Microsoft Points and added a bit of fun to the game, I think it'd be worth it.

The themes were similar to Mafia II, so there was an Army theme, Gangsta theme and such. it was simply a pipe dream but packs like that which include 8 items at less than 100 points per item are worth it if you ask me, the Mafia II clothes and car packs felt tacked on and we're probably cut content, as was both of Jimmy's add-ons. Joe's Adventures however felt like it had some sort of value seeing as it had a vague storyline and actually a few decent missions. still cant compare to TLAD or BOGT, but thems the breaks.

[KilnerLUFC]

When you see games with extra cars and guns for download, for a price. That i disagree with.

What about games that release DLC to update car lists to coincide with real life, such as in Forza 3.

 

Not to come off as a cheap-ass, but when we are already paying £40 for a brand new game, then spending all the extra money on the DLC's, then you're looking at around £100+ spent in total on one game. With MW2, I haven't purchased any map packs, and to me, am not missing out on anything. Yes, if the maps suddenly dropped dramatically in price then I'd buy them just to try them out, but they just don't interest me at the minute.

 

I think the worst case this year has to be Homefront. If you ran out and purchased the game on the day of release, then you had to pay to actually unlock the later levels in MP, which annoyed alot of gamers. The fact that they are still charging people is insane. They bought the game on the day it was released, and actually ended up been the ones who lost out.

 

The sad thing is, it's all about the money, and not about how we feel anymore.

 

Something that would be cool to see introduced, maybe on the next generation, is some kind of rewards feature. Instead of GS, you get points/credits for doing certain stuff in a game, which can then be used on the Marketplace. To make it work in their favour though, these points could maybe only be used for DLC's by that company. For example, get an achievement in GTA and unlock some points, which can then only be used to purchase DLC from Rockstar.

 

Or do what Nintendo do, and actually reward us points for buying the game. The GC and the Wii games all came with points that could be used on the online Ninty shop. So why not points in our games that can be used for credit online?

 

Or, another suggestion would be what EA were planning to do, and that is to add a subscription service for their games. You pay an annual subscription, and it gives you discounted/free items for all of that companies games in the future.

[d0mm2k8]

Something that would be cool to see introduced, maybe on the next generation, is some kind of rewards feature. Instead of GS, you get points/credits for doing certain stuff in a game, which can then be used on the Marketplace. To make it work in their favour though, these points could maybe only be used for DLC's by that company. For example, get an achievement in GTA and unlock some points, which can then only be used to purchase DLC from Rockstar.

Do you know what would be better? If the damn DLC were released for free, like the few remaining companies who actually care for the customer anymore.