Peer Pressure

[Cheat]

Why do people become involved in habitual illicit drug use, or violent alcoholism? One of three reasons. They're either rebelling against a system they're too stupid or too ignorant to understand, someone told them to and they're not clever enough to rationalise it themselves, or circumstances have weakened them to the point that it's nothing more than escapism.

Since when has it been impossible for one to put his plans into action just because he wants to?

 

Like, take sex for an example. You have sex, don't you? Why? Pleasure. Sex is all good, right? It is.

And, it is legal. It's encouraged by the popular culture, and the society doesn't even try to deny you from it. So, nobody's gonna tell you that "ur just doin it cuz ur girl wants u to bang her", or that you're doing it "just cuz u wona b kool", correct? Correct. Nobody's gonna say that.

 

Now, the very moment that we change the subject of the debate into something that's illegal, these theories start to pop up like mushrooms in the rain. I don't know whether it's the human mind of a person who's against the topic, which is, in our case, cannabis, that causes them to try and defend their own opinion and turn down the opposing one, or whether the person is scared to personally support the topic. No matter what it is, he will try to deflect the plan supporting cannabis, unless he's a stoner.

 

What do most stoners look for in weed? Pleasure, or at least that's what I do. No, I'm not rebelling against the system, at least I don't do it by smoking weed. No, nobody told me to do it, I personally made friends with the people who supply me with it. No, I'm not being escapistic. That's the US in 'Nam, that's not me. I know the risks remain unclear, but please, do prove me a death caused by cannabis, and no, actions under the influence don't apply.

 

Funding organized crime? Please, I live in Helsinki, not f*ckin' Naples. I buy from a home-grower who gets his seeds online, overseas. I don't buy weed from Tony Soprano, Avon Barksdale or Stringer Bell. I apply to be the person you categorized as having "found by some miracle the grower of such substances".

I heavily agree with your theory, buying drugs under some circumstances can and will fund organized crime, but even if I were to be a person doing that, you know what? I wouldn't care. I wouldn't go f*cking with their program, I'm just the customer.

 

 

"Victimless pleasure". Hardly.

 

Hardly, but not impossibly.

[anus]

Ganja doesn't cause any mental illnesses or cancer.

 

If the 'studies' you posted that spread the lie that ganja causes mental illnesses are true, the rate for mental illnesses would not be stable in periods where ganja use has increased. A study that shows how the rates for schizophrenia and psychosis have remained stable and in some cases even decreased during periods of increased ganja use.

 

Lester Greenspoon, an MD at Harvard who's been studying ganja since 1967 also says that ganja does not cause mental illnesses and that the

 

 

cannabis-causes-psychosis line is disproved by the absence of "even a blip in the incidence of schizophrenia after millions of people started smoking marijuana in the 1960s"

 

He also goes on to say that

 

 

Cannabis use appears to have increased substantially amongst young people over the past 30 years, from around 10% reporting ever-use in 1959-70, to around 50% reporting ever-use in 2001 in Britain and Sweden. If the relation between use and schizophrenia were truly casual and if the relative risk was around five-fold, then the incidence of schizophrenia would have more than doubled since the 1970s. However, population trends in schizophrenia incidence suggest that incidence has either been stable or decreased over the relevant time period.

 

Another article which speaks of how ganja doesn't cause mental illnesses:

 

 

But if smoking cannabis in early puberty will subsequently trigger schozophrenia at an older age, can not be proven by van Dijk

 

Why is it that none of these 'studies' which spread the lie that ganja causes mental illnesses are consistent with reality if they are indeed true?

 

Even experts who have been studying ganja for decades, like Lester Greenspoon, disagree that it causes mental illnesses.

 

Cannabidol, which is a cannabinoid found in ganja is a very strong antipsychotic which is used to cure schizophrenia and all mental illnesses. But none of these 'researchers' who spread the lie that ganja causes mental illnesses have bothered to take that into account.

 

What we're seeing is nothing more than Reefer Madness V2, while the intelligent people who are educated on and experienced with ganja have already rejected the lie that it causes mental illnesses, there are still some people who believe in this lie. However, with time, these people will come to reject it as well (hopefully), just like how people today look back and laugh at Reefer Madness V1.

 

As for cancer, to be honest, saying ganja causes cancer is so absurd that it would make any experienced ganja user, or a person who has cured him/herself of cancer by using ganja, to laugh.

 

Ganja has been proven to cure cancers:

 

 

 

 

 

Breast cancer:

 

1

 

2

 

3

 

Cervical cancer:

 

1

 

Colon cancer:

 

1

 

2

 

3

 

Brain cancer:

 

1

 

2

 

3

 

Leukaemia:

 

1

 

2

 

3

 

Lung cancer:

 

1

 

2

 

3

 

Smoking ganja does not increase risk of lung cancer:

 

1

 

Lymphoma:

 

1

 

2

 

Melanoma:

 

1

 

There are more studies dealing with testicular cancer, oral cancer, etc. Let me know if anyone wants me to post 'em up. I just copied and pasted the list from one of my posts in the Debates & Discussion topic.

 

By saying it causes cancer, you're denying the entire body of work of people like Rick Simpson as well as the many people who have cured themselves of cancer by using ganja.

 

Btw, it's also really funny how in countries like Bharat and Nepal, where people have been using ganja before the rest of the world even knew what ganja is, have never reported it to cause mental illnesses or cancers. It has always been regarded as a herb with great medical value.

 

I've noticed that sivispacem is someone who's believing in Reefer Madness V2, and lacks much real experience or first hand knowledge on ganja. so none of what I post will really have any effect on making him see the truth, but hey, atleast these resources will be helpful to anyone else who goes through this topic.

Edited May 21, 2011 by Warlord.

[sivispacem]

 

I've noticed that sivispacem is someone who's believing in Reefer Madness V2, and lacks much real experience or first hand knowledge on ganja. so none of what I post will really have any effect on making him see the truth, but hey, atleast these resources will be helpful to anyone else who goes through this topic.

...Which is just evidence that further points to your utter, nigh-on-paranoid delusions. I've quite clearly spoken of my previous experience and first hand knowledge. You just choose to ignore it because it doesn't suit your narrow-minded, convoluted and utterly illogical reasoning.

 

 

What do most stoners look for in weed? Pleasure, or at least that's what I do. No, I'm not rebelling against the system, at least I don't do it by smoking weed. No, nobody told me to do it, I personally made friends with the people who supply me with it. No, I'm not being escapistic. That's the US in 'Nam, that's not me. I know the risks remain unclear, but please, do prove me a death caused by cannabis, and no, actions under the influence don't apply.

 

Please re-read what I said. I referred to habitual users, rather than casual users. I'm a firm believer that people can use drugs casually- pretty much any drug, in fact, bar perhaps heroin and other opiates- without it having a detrimental effect on their life, mental state et cetera. Even frequent use is not necessarily habitual. The habitual aspect applies to those who are compelled to use by certain circumstances, rather than using freely and having complete control over their desire to use.

 

As for deaths caused by cannabis directly-

 

One

Two

 

Admittedly, not many, but very few people are killed annually from MDMA, and most of those due to allergic reactions, water poisoning (action, so under your rules, doesn't count) or overdoses.

Edited May 21, 2011 by sivispacem

[anus]

I don't consider getting high a few times to be enough experience to make the kind of false statements you did.

 

When people who have been smoking ganja for decades disagree with what you say, you know there's a problem.

[sivispacem]

I don't consider getting high a few times to be enough experience to make the kind of false statements you did.

Does frequent, regular (at least weekly, often daily) use over a period of about 3 years qualify?

Prove empirically my statements are false. Go on, I challenge you. You cannot, for every piece of evidence you present has an equally compelling piece of counter-evidence. I acknowledge there is a considerable amount of confusion and debate surrounding the subject, you fail to even acknowledge that.

[Cheat]

I don't consider getting high a few times to be enough experience to make the kind of false statements you did.

Does frequent, regular (at least weekly, often daily) use over a period of about 3 years qualify?

Prove empirically my statements are false. Go on, I challenge you. You cannot, for every piece of evidence you present has an equally compelling piece of counter-evidence. I acknowledge there is a considerable amount of confusion and debate surrounding the subject, you fail to even acknowledge that.

Bring the popcorn!

[anus]

 

Does frequent, regular (at least weekly, often daily) use over a period of about 3 years qualify?

Cool.

 

But the people who have been using ganja for decades have more experience and are better qualified to speak on ganja.

 

As for the rest of your post, I'll tell you what I said in the Debates & Discussion topic:

 

 

Since you believe in Reefer Madness V2 and seem to dislike ganja, nothing I say will make you see the truth, bro. So, if you truly believe in the lie spread by anti-ganja organisations that ganja causes mental illnesses and cancers, which many experts on the subject disagree with as well as not being consistent with reality, you're free to do so.

[sivispacem]

Since you believe in Reefer Madness V2 and seem to dislike ganja, nothing I say will make you see the truth, bro. So, if you truly believe in the lie spread by anti-ganja organisations that ganja causes mental illnesses and cancers, which many experts on the subject disagree with as well as not being consistent with reality, you're free to do so.

..And I responded by saying that I was open to the idea that it was harmless, or as near as makes no difference harmless. But my bone of contention is the fact that you deny the validity of anything that contradicts your opinion. This isn't about the ganja any more, it's more me trying to fathom your attitude towards critique and trying to understand how you can deem everything that agrees with you to be correct, and everything that disagrees with you to be lies and/or propaganda, when to an outside, impartial observer, they are both of roughly equal validity.

[Vercetti27]

I'd love to meet Typhus in real life. I'm so morally inperfect so it could be interesting

[creat3d22]

I can't really defend cigarettes as there's no good in them, but if an adult smoking a spliff now and then and a few beers with friends is "weak" to you... I can't imagine what kind of a pain in the a** you'll grow up to be.

I am grown up. And I have grown up to be perfect. Completely morally perfect. And it's primarilly because I have rejected all those mind-numbing parasites who have to dull their senses and whore out their free will to seek superficial popularity.

I am better than them. In every way. And if that sounds self-righteous or arrogant to you, I'm glad. Because "self-righteousness" to a junkie piece of sh*t is simple truth to any decent human being.

 

Men let all sorts of leeches into their hearts. It's true. They accumulate women so they won't get cold at night. They drink alcohol so they will gain the confidence they're too pathetic to exhibit in daily life. They smoke weed to sharpen the very mind that they themselves have neglected. They turn to churches and Bible-thumpers because they want to believe that their degeneracy can be forgiven.

 

Compared to that, I am a God. And you can be too. That's the beautiful part. At any moment, you can decide to stop being a sheep and create your own path, free of all those things that try to rob you of your individuality. All men have within them the potential for divinity, for a higher state of being, yet they willingly settle for a meaningless humdrum existence. Whittling away the years, caring for nothing and no one besides their own decadent appetites, being slaves to human weakness whilst defending their weakness as 'fun'.

 

Surely you can muster enough common sense and resolve to elevate yourself above the common, libidious hordes? Surely you can see that I am completely right, as always?

it's just Typhus being Typhus.

I'm sorry I don't spend enough time on a video game forum to know which regulars are serious or not.

[Cheat]

I respect a man with such self esteem and such a strong opinion, but I fail to understand you, Typhus.

 

In your post, you - as far as I understand - claim that smoking weed is a thing that tries to "rob you of your individuality". Seriously? No.

You encourage to live inhumdrumly, follow one's own dreams and create one's own path - in colloquial language, "live the life". And I agree, I can't co-sign enough. With that, you seem to have a moral code very similar to mine.

 

I live my own live, the way I want to. I don't care about other people's opinions. I, like you would say, create my own path and follow it. Have you ever thought that another person than you may think differently? I do, and smoking weed is something I want to do on my own path - I wasn't encouraged to, I was never offered a hit, nor was I ever told to cop some weed. It was me, just me and nobody else who did it, went through the process of finding a connect and purchasing the product.

 

I aim for the same thing that you do, Typhus. I want to be the lord of my own live, I look for that "higher state of being", and I know I, within me, have the potential for divinity. I am not willing to settle for a meaningless humdrum existence, all literally quoting you, agreeing. And what that does to me, is doing what I want to do, not what someone else wants me to. And guess what? I want to smoke weed.

 

You're a philosophist, and I respect that. But elitistic is also what you are. Arrogant, too, all due respect.

[creat3d22]

I find it remarkable that in this day and age, smoking weed would be considered a "meaningless humdrum existence".

A meaningless existence is spending your entire life enslaved to your preconceived morals (before they are tested in the real world), the same dead-end job your entire life and considering worthless entertainment to be worthy of spending most of your efforts on. A meaningless existence is being content with whatever your society/peers want you to be.

 

Smoking herbs has nothing to do with your aspirations (and potential) as a human being.

[Typhus]

I respect a man with such self esteem and such a strong opinion, but I fail to understand you, Typhus.

 

In your post, you - as far as I understand - claim that smoking weed is a thing that tries to "rob you of your individuality". Seriously? No.

You encourage to live inhumdrumly, follow one's own dreams and create one's own path - in colloquial language, "live the life". And I agree, I can't co-sign enough. With that, you seem to have a moral code very similar to mine.

 

I live my own live, the way I want to. I don't care about other people's opinions. I, like you would say, create my own path and follow it. Have you ever thought that another person than you may think differently? I do, and smoking weed is something I want to do on my own path - I wasn't encouraged to, I was never offered a hit, nor was I ever told to cop some weed. It was me, just me and nobody else who did it, went through the process of finding a connect and purchasing the product.

 

I aim for the same thing that you do, Typhus. I want to be the lord of my own live, I look for that "higher state of being", and I know I, within me, have the potential for divinity. I am not willing to settle for a meaningless humdrum existence, all literally quoting you, agreeing. And what that does to me, is doing what I want to do, not what someone else wants me to. And guess what? I want to smoke weed.

 

You're a philosophist, and I respect that. But elitistic is also what you are. Arrogant, too, all due respect.

It's funny you should say that. Because my problem has never been so much with weed or alcohol or tobacco but the reasons for doing it.

That's what really kills me. You see, I may not like drugs, I may not like booze or cigarettes. But if you can honestly tell me that you indulge in those vices of your own free will. Then I respect that. I respect a man who stands by himself, even if what he stands for is disgusting to me.

 

What I don't respect and what I can't defend is these motherf*ckers who wantonly destroy themselves and then hide behind their upbringing or other pathetic excuses. I knew a guy who was morbidly obese, he'd eat and sh*t, eat and sh*t, eat and sh*t. And you know what his excuse was? He blamed his weight problem on his aunt dying. His aunt, who died years ago. She was the reason he looked grotesque. She was the reason he couldn't eat his dinner without breaking a sweat. She was the reason that he had 60-plus nicknames about what a pathetic twat he was.

 

I'm no Fascist. I have no desire to intrude into your private business or control you. All I ask is that people stand by their choices and recognise those choices as their own. Do you know how much sick sh*t I could have done by now? And tell me, if I got caught, would you respect me if I turned on the waterworks and started sobbing about how I was beaten as a child and that absolved me of any guilt? I wouldn't. I'd like to slit the throat of the man who acts like that, it's laughable.

 

What we call 'peer pressure' is actually used as nothing more than a damn security blanket to shield the weak and feeble-minded from accepting responsibility for their actions. Besides, I do not consider cannabis as big a problem as promiscuous sex and alcohol. I just want people to stand up, be strong, be everything a human should be. We shouldn't be ashamed of sinning. We shouldn't be ashamed of a little excess. But our guilt, our grovelling and pointless guilt is revolting.

 

You have to answer to yourself and yourself only. Be honest and accept who you are. I think that's a reasonable request.

[sivispacem]

I just want people to stand up, be strong, be everything a human should be. We shouldn't be ashamed of sinning. We shouldn't be ashamed of a little excess. But our guilt, our grovelling and pointless guilt is revolting.

This.

[Typhus]

I'm sorry I don't spend enough time on a video game forum to know which regulars are serious or not.

But apparently you've spent sufficient time here to tell me to 'grow up'. I would love to know what insights you have into my personality that allow you to give me such sage advice.

[creat3d22]

I'm sorry I don't spend enough time on a video game forum to know which regulars are serious or not.

But apparently you've spent sufficient time here to tell me to 'grow up'. I would love to know what insights you have into my personality that allow you to give me such sage advice.

Your presumption of being morally perfect gives quite a lot of insight into your personality. Factor in your complete intolerance for different principles than yours, and the efforts to figure you out become entirely pointless.

[Typhus]

I'm sorry I don't spend enough time on a video game forum to know which regulars are serious or not.

But apparently you've spent sufficient time here to tell me to 'grow up'. I would love to know what insights you have into my personality that allow you to give me such sage advice.

Your presumption of being morally perfect gives quite a lot of insight into your personality. Factor in your complete intolerance for different principles than yours, and the efforts to figure you out become entirely pointless.

But considering my viewpoints, however intolerant, have been thought out and considered it is hardly a comment on my maturity. An immature person, as you stated before, holds opinions simply because they have been spoon fed to them. I am not such a person. If you hold an idea because you have used logic and sound reasoning to create that idea, how then are you - in any way - immature?

 

I don't mind if you hate me, but accusing me of being immature is just not true. Not even a little bit.

[Cheat]

Woah, you just... Damn.

 

You just summarized my thoughts completely, I heavily agree with you on everything else but, obviously, our point of view regarding the use of weed.

 

 

But if you can honestly tell me that you indulge in those vices of your own free will. Then I respect that.

 

Yes, I can. Honestly.

 

 

I respect a man who stands by himself, even if what he stands for is disgusting to me.

 

And this, man, you had my jaw droppin', 'cause this perfectly summarizes one of the most important moral teachings I have adopted, and is my personal definition of a strong human being, be it woman or man.

 

Everything about the lame-ass excuses and all that, co-f*ckin'-sign, man. That's not me, but that's a lot of people around me - or matter of fact, people no longer around me due to their ignorant view of life.

 

 

What we call 'peer pressure' is actually used as nothing more than a damn security blanket to shield the weak and feeble-minded from accepting responsibility for their actions.

 

This.

 

 

You have to answer to yourself and yourself only. Be honest and accept who you are. I think that's a reasonable request.

 

And this, man, this man is a f*ckin' genious. Someone summarize his posts, put them together and call it a Bible, yo. Typhus, I take my hat off to you.

[creat3d22]

I'm sorry I don't spend enough time on a video game forum to know which regulars are serious or not.

But apparently you've spent sufficient time here to tell me to 'grow up'. I would love to know what insights you have into my personality that allow you to give me such sage advice.

Your presumption of being morally perfect gives quite a lot of insight into your personality. Factor in your complete intolerance for different principles than yours, and the efforts to figure you out become entirely pointless.

But considering my viewpoints, however intolerant, have been thought out and considered it is hardly a comment on my maturity. An immature person, as you stated before, holds opinions simply because they have been spoon fed to them. I am not such a person. If you hold an idea because you have used logic and sound reasoning to create that idea, how then are you - in any way - immature?

 

I don't mind if you hate me, but accusing me of being immature is just not true. Not even a little bit.

It's immature if it's "thought out" without you knowing anything about the subject at hand.

 

And I don't "hate" you, why would I spend so much negative energy on a freaking username? Text on a screen isn't worth such strong sentiments.

[JayC]

You're just saying that cause your username is just so f*cking awful.

[creat3d22]

 

You're just saying that cause your username is just so f*cking awful.

I'm sorry we can't all be perfect and care about such things... I'm still working on my moral perfection, gimme a break!

[Typhus]

You're just saying that cause your username is just so f*cking awful.

I'm sorry we can't all be perfect and care about such things... I'm still working on my moral perfection, gimme a break!

Well, it takes time. But I'm sure that if you step away from the bong for a few days, you can make some good progress.

[chris]

What the f*ck am i reading?

[*MURDOC*]

What the f*ck am i reading?

A whole bunch of stupid sh*t, written by a bunch of people who believe they are "better" than everyone else for one reason or another.

[Sam998]

What the f*ck am i reading?

A whole bunch of stupid sh*t, written by a bunch of people who believe they are "better" than everyone else for one reason or another.

I think I may agree with murdoc for once...

[AceRay]

wow, what a discussion

good job Typhus

[ska]

Stay in school, kids.

[Xboxless]

errrr.....drugs will fry your brain.

 

Typhus, I would normally absolutely hate someone who called themselves a perfect being......but I only dislike you.

 

@Murdoc....yes.

 

 

I knew it would come to this, the people who claim they are resilient to peer pressure and don't smoke and bla bla think they are better. The others get pissed.

 

Thank you for another lesson in the stupidity of mankind, and why I wish we would all just disappear.

[Angel Avenue]

the people who claim they are resilient to peer pressure and don't smoke and bla bla think they are better. The others get pissed.

Do you think you're better off being a smoker ?

[*MURDOC*]

I think we're better off listening to ourselves.