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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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Csabi98
Damn, Rockstar killed CJ? I can't believe it, there are too many posibilities either. I would write my most hated enemies R.I.P. [Name] on the wall even if he wouldn't be dead. TV shows can be old too. I hope he ain't f*cking dead. Its not good to know that I'm playing GTA SA right now with a dead protagonist?!

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0909090
Damn, Rockstar killed CJ? I can't believe it, there are too many posibilities either. I would write my most hated enemies R.I.P. [Name] on the wall even if he wouldn't be dead. TV shows can be old too. I hope he ain't f*cking dead. Its not good to know that I'm playing GTA SA right now with a dead protagonist?!

Thats bullsh*t Rockstar never said that any of protagonists are dead (well except Vic...).

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Csabi98
Damn, Rockstar killed CJ? I can't believe it, there are too many posibilities either. I would write my most hated enemies R.I.P. [Name] on the wall even if he wouldn't be dead. TV shows can be old too. I hope he ain't f*cking dead. Its not good to know that I'm playing GTA SA right now with a dead protagonist?!

Thats bullsh*t Rockstar never said that any of protagonists are dead (well except Vic...).

Still they put that graffiti on the wall. I hope CJ is not dead or I'm gonna get out of the PC and get a life, which I really don't want.

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0909090

What would change if he is dead? If you like SA then it doesn't matter if he is dead or not.

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Irrational

I hope so.

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tomatowithcamera

I think he got killed by Salvatore Leone. Why? After the bank heist mission in GTA SA he gets a phone call from Salvatore threating to kill CJ. Maybe even Toni Cipriani was sent to kill CJ in 1994 (the reason why he was hiding) then returned to Liberty City in 1998 (LCS)

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Haashir911

 

I heard that in GTA 5 u'll be playing as Chico Vialpando the son of Kendl Johnson and Cesar Vialpando Your Cousin Leo Johnson(son of CJ and Denise) lives with you because CJ got shot in 1992 and Denise in 1995 in a Car Crash but it also says u'll be meeting Toni Cipriani so i dont know.

 

EDIT: Ain't so joe;

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=511593

Bullsh*t !

One of the Developers has Confirmed the Person in V's Name is "Albert De Silva"

And So Has the Concept Artist !

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/11/14/is-alber...lead-character/

Edited by lil weasel

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Didowe
I think R* stated that all of the past GTA characters are dead, which is why none returned to IV. R* killed Tommy, CJ, Toni, Vic and Claude so they won't have to be asked on the next GTA, "Will Tommy or CJ make a cameo?", they can answer simply, "No. They're dead."

Pretty much what he clearly said. It was already made official thousands of years ago that all the past protagonists will be dead. In fact, the likely occurence of them being dead is very high. It's because they live the life of a criminal so they can be shot down the next day.

Well, I hope in the next-gen Vice City game, we can avenge Tommy's family.

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arkad12

Yes, they're all dead, as they don't exist in GTAIVs universe.

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0909090
Yes, they're all dead, as they don't exist in GTAIVs universe.

When they are in other universe that doesn't mean they are dead wink.gifsmile.gif .

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Dragonjack

Sorry to say but its just a game and it kind of sucks that the old characters from the past GTA games were all gone i'm being honest as well... sad.gif

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OG Chico
Damn, Rockstar killed CJ? I can't believe it, there are too many posibilities either. I would write my most hated enemies R.I.P. [Name] on the wall even if he wouldn't be dead. TV shows can be old too. I hope he ain't f*cking dead. Its not good to know that I'm playing GTA SA right now with a dead protagonist?!

Yeah. It would felt really weird. Kinda like with Vic Vance.

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King Andreas

See? This is why we need a San Andreas sequel.

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Dr._White-Z

I think CJ either died when Ballas attacked Grove Street or escaped and is hiding somewhere.(possibly with a fake id)

Sweet must've stayed and killed Ballas members to his last breath.(Sweet is awesome)

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simonp92

I think CJ either died when Ballas attacked Grove Street or escaped and is hiding somewhere.(possibly with a fake id)

Sweet must've stayed and killed Ballas members to his last breath.(Sweet is awesome)

It is possible Ballas never attacked Grove street. Keep in mind that the two eras are not connected, so in the 3D era grove street was possibly never taken over, and in HD era, CJ and Sweet never existed so the events of SA never took place in the San Andreas we know from GTA V.

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Dr._White-Z

I know,

but my theory is based off 3D universe characters existing in the HD universe.

I like to think that they exist in the HD universe but it is not very likely since Rockstar likes to have a fresh start when they make a new GTA universe.

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lil weasel

There is also the idea that CJ exterminated the other gangs (in this game).

Sweet most likely went back to hard drugs with that skinny crack whore of his.

CJ moved on with his shakedown, slumlord, recording and casino empires.

Edited by lil weasel

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daggerbomb

There is also the idea that CJ exterminated the other gangs (in this game).

Sweet most likely went back to hard drugs with that skinny crack whore of his.

CJ moved on with his shakedown, slumlord, recording and casino empires.

source or didnt happen ratatataatta

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Cebra

 

There is also the idea that CJ exterminated the other gangs (in this game).

Sweet most likely went back to hard drugs with that skinny crack whore of his.

CJ moved on with his shakedown, slumlord, recording and casino empires.

source or didnt happen ratatataatta

 

"There is also the idea that CJ exterminated the other gangs (in this game).

Sweet most likely went back to hard drugs with that skinny crack whore of his.

CJ moved on with his shakedown, slumlord, recording and casino empires."

 

There's your source.

Edited by PhilosophicalZebra
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lil weasel

 

There is also the idea that CJ exterminated the other gangs (in this game).

Sweet most likely went back to hard drugs with that skinny crack whore of his.

CJ moved on with his shakedown, slumlord, recording and casino empires.

source or didnt happen ratatataatta

 

Obvious you have not played the game. It is all in the game play and the cut scenes.

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TonyMontanaCDL

I think CJ should be dead at least by 1998.

 

Salvatore Leone don't forget sh*t and after CJ screwed him like that, he sent Toni to go kill him and make his bones for the Leone Family. Why you think Toni was hiding for a few years before LCS began? You have to think, CJ screwed Sal out of all that money, he's not the kind of guy to let that sh*t go either....Toni kills him, along with Sweet for revenge to Sal, and then he's just like a son to him. Just my theory.

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caseclosedjk

Quick theory based on the above post:

 

Carl left sanandreas to go back to LC after the end of the game. Possibly around 1993 or so, Carl went to Liberty City to expand his empire and possibly gang influence. However, when he arrived, Toni Cipriani was ordered by Salvatore to kill Carl. Toni had to lie low in Vice City for 5 years because carls friends were still in town looking for him. Between that 5 years, the rest of the grove influence in LC were killed off by the leoni family and their allies, and finally, in 1998, Toni returned and LCS began.

 

That is my theory.

 

Now here is a theory that is unlikely, but if the 2 eras are somehow still connected, it could go:

 

Carl left sanandreas to go back to LC after the end of the game. Possibly around 1993 or so, Carl went to Liberty City to expand his empire and possibly gang influence. However, when he arrived, Toni Cipriani was ordered by Salvatore to kill Carl. Toni had to lie low in Vice City for 5 years because carls friends were still in town looking for him. Between that 5 years, the rest of the grove influence in LC were killed off by the leoni family and their allies, and finally, in 1998, Toni returned and LCS began. Within the 20 years after carls death, Sweat was killed by rival gangs, Kendl and ceaser flee to another city, and grove becomes independent without leaders. Sometime in this time, grove street is taken by ballas and many of the old structures were torn down and new homes were built. Carls ex girlfriend denise robinson changed her name back to Clinton, her maiden name (There was talk she was married once, and had 3 kids), and she stayed loyal to the grove street families. Due to losing carl, she became more bitter than she was. She eventually was forced to raise her sisters son after her death. She still lives near grove street to this day due to dedication to her lost love.

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Blastoise1994

I haven't read this topic all the way through, but I'd like to give my own little ideas as to what or where the III era protagonists ended up. :p

 

Claude - With no one left to work for and no one left to run from, Claude moves back to San Fierro and eventually becomes an actor in Vinewood. Dies in 2005 doing a stunt jump for a street racing movie.

 

Toni - Still ran the family restaurant, along with the remnants of the Lenone mafia, with his mom up until the day she died. Completely wrecked from the experience of losing his mother, Toni leaves the country and becomes a new man.

 

Tommy - Some time between 1986 and 1992 Tommy cleaned up, cut his losses and "retired", got married, had kids... All somewhere far, far away from Vice City. He started going to schools and giving speeches about how a life of crime only leads to bad things, but was assassinated in 1997.

 

Vic - Died in 1986. His brother, Pete "8-Ball" Vance, still visits his grave from time to time, and murdered both Tommy and Rosenberg, in 1997 and 1999 respectively, blaming them for his brothers' deaths, explaining why he's in jail as of 2001.

 

CJ - Ran the Grove Street Families gang alongside his brother Sweet up until about 2007 when a few rogue gangsters revolted and killed them both, ultimately taking the GSF back to exactly what they were in 1992, a smalltime street gang. All of CJ and Sweet's money and properties were given to Kendl and Cesar, as it was written in his will, and sold off, as Kendl and Cesar, now parents, wanted to keep their kids away from gang life.

 

I didn't do one for Mike, but having never played GTA Advance I figured I wouldn't do him justice. Anyhoo. :p

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Rainbow Party

I think the graffitis just mean that the characters won't return in later games but still, Rockstar can do whatever they want and I don't think the GTA universe or timeline is meant to make sense anymore as a 1 whole canonical thing or even as different eras/realities.

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SonofYankton

i hope not..

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Deissp

Rockstar say:

 

"NOPE SAN ANDREAS ISN'T IN THE SAME UUUUNIVERSE AS GTA IV SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE CJ AGAIN HAHAHAHHA"

 

Then they say

 

"WELL IN GTA IV IT SAYS CJ IS DEAD"

 

So they can't just contradict themselves. CJ's fate is really unknown. He could have died. He might not have. Until Rockstar flat out says "Carl Johnson is/is not dead" I suppose we can't know. Let's just assume he's alive.

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FlyeThemoon

:D yup he dead, he hang out on blilboard just outside the Algonquin Safehouse

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Deji

Salvatore killing CJ? Maybe. But since CJ's acts are what drove Salvatore to paranoia, I think Sal was just happy to get out of San Andreas as quick as possible, after tying up other loose ends. I find it hard to believe CJ would of relocated after having becoming such a major power in San Andreas, nor would he have died as the result of any petty street war. The idea of the mafia killing off grove street is flawed too.. the mafia don't usually get involved in petty street wars.

If CJ were to be killed by anyone, I'd imagine it'd be some sort of heir to Tenpenny (another corrupt cop would have more chance of getting to CJ and they're more likely to be able to back CJ into a tight corner - not killing him, but starting something with him which results in his death after some time), but GTA storylines aren't really made to give you an idea of a protags roots or how the rest of his life went... the most important part is that the story is stupid and stretched enough to send you on over 80 missions :p

 

Wait for Rockstar to say whether CJ is dead or not? 'Rockstar' have no friggin clue! They are just a company, a major employer. Dan Houser has the most influence over the scripts, but he damn sure doesn't write the important stuff. Look at the list of writers for each game (dunno why there's a white background to most of it.. GTAForums just decided it was cool):..

 

GTA III

Dan Houser

Paul Kurowski
James Worrall

 

GTA VC

Dan Houser

James Worrall

 

GTA SA

Dan Houser

James Worrall

DJ Pooh

 

GTA IV

Dan Houser

Rupert Humphries

(omg where's our usual writing team?!)

 

GTA LCS

Dan Houser

James Worrall

David Bland

(oh, there they are)

 

GTA VCS

Dan Houser

David Bland

(well at least they had a guy who worked with a guy who wrote the original titles...)

 

GTA V

Dan Houser

Rupert Humphries

Micheal Unsworth

 

Why does one "universe" of GTA feature so little of a previous universe? Because aside from a couple easter eggs here and there, Dan Houser is not actually bringing much to the scripts. Most of the connected scripts are written by people who have already been involved in writing the relevant GTA universe. There is a writer (who could just have be pulled in from the sidewalk for all we know) for each major storyline and that affects the whole direction of the GTA cannon and each game's theme. 'Rockstar' aint telling us nothing about the story outside of the games, since they aren't the writers and it's "not in their area of expertise".

 

 

Now remember that a game story is very different from a movie story. Not in what they can do or what they do do, but in how important each thing is. Of course this differs from film to film also, but generally films are better suited to continuity and realism than games. Game storylines are meant to be over the top and dragging. If not, then you might just be enjoying a nice animated movie with very little entertainment on the game side of things.

 

You could take the movie out of a game and still end up with a game (albeit with a confusing and unjustified set of missions). Take the game out of things though and you've got a movie... which you might enjoy so much you might not even pay attention to the lack of game.

Edited by Deji

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