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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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lil weasel

Of course CJ is being watched by the 'Government', are you dips forgetting that Toreno IS THE 'Government'.

That the trouble with a Republic too many hired help thinking they run things. smile.gif

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WhistleBlower

But I wasn't talking about Mike Toreno.

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lil weasel

I am.

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WhistleBlower

Nevermind, then. confused.gif

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Dark_side646

 

Well, who knows if they didn't? We don't know what happens after Vice City.

According to The Introduction video, that came with the Second Edition of the PS2 version of SA, Tommy is very much alive and well in VC during 1992. Also, Vic stole an attack helicopter in 1984 but he held out on his own nicely enough till 1986. With the government already having their hands full with incidents that took place 6 to 8 years earlier, and not seeming to have much progress, I doubt CJ and Toreno need to be worried about anything they did in 1992.

 

 

or maybe he covered himself up

So Tommy can cover himself up (without any potential help from a government agent) but CJ can’t? How does that work?

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JustRob

Well just because they're alive and well doesn't mean the government didn't get to them. Stealing an heli or a tank is bad but not so much to be punished by death. Maybe they did a little time in between the different games, who knows.

 

As for Tommy covering himself he up, he pretty much got influence throughout the entire city so I think he'd be able to think of something

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Flesh-n-Bone

 

Well just because they're alive and well doesn't mean the government didn't get to them. Stealing an heli or a tank is bad but not so much to be punished by death. Maybe they did a little time in between the different games, who knows.

 

As for Tommy covering himself he up, he pretty much got influence throughout the entire city so I think he'd be able to think of something

Similarly, CJ has influence all over the state and is rich enough to get a bail out, not to mention Toreno can use his power to free him if he gets prison time. Specially if there will be no proof about Toreno and CJ having been seen in the same place shortly before CJ wrecked havoc and pissed off the FBI or somebody else in the government. Not to mention, the theory that CJ could have testified if caught.

 

@Prasdana: Is that The Miz getting a clothesline by Jack Swagger in your avatar?

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nfscu2

When CJ dies,he comes back to life(in the hospital)regardless of how many times or how he died.Even if Salvatore would have killed him,he would have come back to life.Just a lame guess,don't take it seriously user posted imageuser posted image

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lil weasel

 

[...] Not to mention, the theory that CJ could have testified if caught.

 

Maybe you haven't noticed. People don't testify if the US Government doesn't want it.

"Killed while escaping/resisting/etc."

"took their own lives before capture..."

"Died in the fire." etc...

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WhistleBlower

Lol, maybe CJ simply bought the state of San Andreas. The guy can amass a trillion dollars before he even hit his 30s. And this is back in 1992...

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JustRob
Well just because they're alive and well doesn't mean the government didn't get to them. Stealing an heli or a tank is bad but not so much to be punished by death. Maybe they did a little time in between the different games, who knows.

 

As for Tommy covering himself he up, he pretty much got influence throughout the entire city so I think he'd be able to think of something

Similarly, CJ has influence all over the state and is rich enough to get a bail out, not to mention Toreno can use his power to free him if he gets prison time. Specially if there will be no proof about Toreno and CJ having been seen in the same place shortly before CJ wrecked havoc and pissed off the FBI or somebody else in the government. Not to mention, the theory that CJ could have testified if caught.

 

@Prasdana: Is that The Miz getting a clothesline by Jack Swagger in your avatar?

It's a lot different though. Tommy had a lot more direct control. Sure CJ had some achievements across the state, but owning a garage and a car showroom can hardly be called "controlling" San Fierro. Also the Ballas are still active in Los Santos at the end. In Las Venturas CJ's influence is mainly because of his connection to Woozie, and Woozie is doing his own thing out there. Caligula's still prospers. In the countryside he got nothing. In the desert he got nothing but a run-down airstrip.

 

Can you truly say CJ has influence all over the state?

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Dark_side646

 

Well just because they're alive and well doesn't mean the government didn't get to them. Stealing an heli or a tank is bad but not so much to be punished by death. Maybe they did a little time in between the different games, who knows.

So why do Tommy and Vic get minor punishments but CJ gets an instant death sentence? Didn’t Tommy and Vic also kill a lot of people, including soldiers, while trying to steal the tank and attack helicopter?

 

 

As for Tommy covering himself he up, he pretty much got influence throughout the entire city so I think he'd be able to think of something

Its not like CJ is a nobody. You said it yourself that he has a name for himself throughout the entire state. He had his fair share of power and influence too.

 

 

Maybe you haven't noticed. People don't testify if the US Government doesn't want it.

So the US government would prefer that their $60million project remain missing?

 

 

Tommy had a lot more direct control.

Just because he has a few more businesses means he has more direct control of the law? How does that work? Besides, its not like the Vercettis were the only gang in VC. GSF seemed to have almost as much turf in LS as the Vercettis do in VC. And just like the Ballas in LS, the Haitian gang would provide constant problems for Tommy. If Tommy has allies like the Cuban gang and the Bikers then so does CJ. And if CJ's allies can't help him out, neither can Tommy's.

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lil weasel

Who said CJ wouldn't talk... before he died/disappeared...

Beside the Project was finished when CJ took it. they can build more. After all it disapears everytime he 'parks' it outside the house. Funny how it reappears at the Verdant Meadows Airdrome...

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Dark_side646

If they can build more jetpacks without any problems, why would they care about the one that CJ stole? Not to mention, every time they take it back from CJ, it'll simply re-appear at Verdant Meadows.

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Hitman843
If they can build more jetpacks without any problems, why would they care about the one that CJ stole?

I dont think they can build another.The first one was a 60 mil $ project

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Dark_side646

Further emphasizing that they keep CJ alive for his testimony instead of just killing him when/if they find him.

 

However, now that I think a little more deeply on this issue, I think that CJ might actually be dead. If I'm not wrong, R* stated before the release of GTA4 that it would not have any characters from the previous games. As an explanation R* said that by then most of them would be dead anyway. I don't know if this info was official or not. However, if this is true, then it has been 3 years since that announcement. So as of 2011, CJ and the others might have died a long time ago. They may have died a natural death or could have been killed by their enemies or the government. None of us can be truly certain but I'd put government involvement as the least likely.

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WhistleBlower

Claude, Tommy, and CJ all obviously lead pretty dangerous lives, so I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they've all died by 2008. Of course the exact details of their deaths are left for the player to decide for themselves. They've made it clear that the GTA III era was over.

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JustRob

Well, Tommy seems to be doing quite nicely for himself in 1992, so I don't think Claude would be dead seven years after GTAIII.

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WhistleBlower

 

Well, Tommy seems to be doing quite nicely for himself in 1992, so I don't think Claude would be dead seven years after GTAIII.

What does Tommy doing well in 1992 have anything to do with Claude? There's nothing in the GTA III era that even suggests that they crossed paths, let alone get along with each other. I know everyone likes to think that their favorite characters are invincible, but if that's the case, then there's no point in trying to discuss their futures in a realistic manner.

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Dark_side646

 

Well, Tommy seems to be doing quite nicely for himself in 1992, so I don't think Claude would be dead seven years after GTAIII.

If Claude can survive on his own, without any allies, and with almost every gang in LC being his enemy, then I don't see why CJ should be dead. Even the FBI had a beef with Claude, not only when they caught him blowing up a plane in the mission S.A.M. but also for stealing whatever he stole in the mission A Drop in the Ocean from under their noses. If he can survive despite this, then it should be a cakewalk for CJ.

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grandtheftautovideogamer

I hear CJ is supposed to make an appearance in GTA 5. So I dont think Salvatore killed him for robbing the bank at caligula's casino.

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WhistleBlower
I hear CJ is supposed to make an appearance in GTA 5. So I dont think Salvatore killed him for robbing the bank at caligula's casino.

Most likely just a cameo appearance for a cutscene. Maybe even in a radio interview with Lazlow as a little treat for fans of San Andreas. That actually sounds pretty cool, now that I think about it. colgate.gif

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JustRob
Well, Tommy seems to be doing quite nicely for himself in 1992, so I don't think Claude would be dead seven years after GTAIII.

If Claude can survive on his own, without any allies, and with almost every gang in LC being his enemy, then I don't see why CJ should be dead. Even the FBI had a beef with Claude, not only when they caught him blowing up a plane in the mission S.A.M. but also for stealing whatever he stole in the mission A Drop in the Ocean from under their noses. If he can survive despite this, then it should be a cakewalk for CJ.

Oh come on. Are we going on this tour now for every character in the GTA series? There was nobody who was involved as directly with the government as CJ. Moreover, I don't see what other games have to do with this. "If the government didn't go after Claude, they didn't go after CJ". What is this based on? Their situations and surroundings are completely different, not to mention they live in different times.

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Gareth Alan Willmer
However just how much power do the Forellis have?  And how much power does Salvatore have?  You can have a rough guess, but that's all it is - a guess.  You can make an educated guess at the likelihood of CJ's and Tommy's survival, since you played as them and know what they've become...

 

Though with all that said, I just realised I haven't played VCS or LCS so I don't know what is revealed in them.

In the Intro Cutscene (that came with the SE version of SA, for PS2) during the meeting between Salvatore and Johnny Salvatore says,"Ever since Sonny Forrelli got himself pasted all over Florida, you think you run things in this town."

This would imply that Sonny did actually have a lot of power and that the Forrellis were quite strong during his time. Why else would Salvatore mention him like that for no reason? It is unlikely that the Forrellis would just lose all their turf, influence and power in LC the instant Sonny died. So I don't see any reason for them to not be strong enough launch another stronger attack on Tommy as payback.

 

On the lines of Salvatore and CJ, if Salvatore was able to kill CJ despite his gang and his friends watching his back, then why would he just leave the Casino and Las Venturas? It is shown in LCS that Paulie Sindacco, the Sindacco don, keeps moving from LC to LV to transfer the money, earned from the Casino, to fund their gang activities. I find it hard to think that Salvatore would just let go of an important source of income, especially after killing the main muscle of the competing Casino and just give it back to the gang, from whom they took control of the Casino in the first place. It only makes as much sense as Lance approaching a stranger, like Tommy, and not Vic after Pete dies, as would be claimed by the people, in the past, who used to insist that Vic was still alive.

 

In short : Yes, the Forrellis were quite powerful during Sonny's reign and would still be strong enough to launch another attack to kill Tommy. Also, it makes no sense for Salvatore to leave the Casino and Las Venturas, especially if he had been able to kill CJ.

Well Tommy Vercetti is still alive and in control in 1992. So 6 years on and no Forelli attacks its safe to say the Forellis aren't bothered about Tommy that much.

 

It doesn't take 6 years to organize a hit squad in the GTA 3 Universe

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Dark_side646

 

There was nobody who was involved as directly with the government as CJ

Just like CJ, they were following someone else's orders, so they were as directly involved as him. And it doesn't matter how indirectly Claude and the others were involved against the government. If CJ is punished for his actions against the government then Claude, Tommy and Vic are no exceptions. Just like CJ, they'd be in the government's hit list, regardless of how directly or indirectly they were involved against the government.

 

 

Moreover, I don't see what other games have to do with this. "If the government didn't go after Claude, they didn't go after CJ". What is this based on?

The other games portray similar acts by other people against the same government whom Toreno forced CJ to work against. Each game in the GTA3 era is canonically connected with the others, being either a sequel or prequel to the other games. That is what they have to do with this.

In such a scenario, if the government decides to punish the actions of one culprit then there's no reason for them to let another culprit go un-punished. Hence, if Claude could survive despite not only having offended the government but with 5 gangs gunning for him (and without any allies) then for CJ, it should be a walk in the park.

 

 

Their situations and surroundings are completely different, not to mention they live in different times.

Their situations weren't different. They were all following other people's orders but were directly involved otherwise. As for the surrounding and timelines then lets see. The government doesn't go after Tommy and Vic because they lived in VC in 1986 and 1984 respectively. They don't go after Claude because he lived in LC in 2001. But they go after CJ because he lived in SA in 1992? How does that work?

 

 

Well Tommy Vercetti is still alive and in control in 1992. So 6 years on and no Forelli attacks its safe to say the Forellis aren't bothered about Tommy that much.

The Forrellis were the strongest gang in LC with Sonny as their leader and their power couldn't have diminished instantly after Sonny died. So if such a strong gang wasn't bothered about Tommy, I see no reason why a comparatively weaker gang should be bothered about CJ. Especially considering what became of the Casino in LCS.

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tommzy2

Well after you finish robbing caligula's, salvatore calls you and calls you a backstabber and says that both you and your family is dead.

 

Could salvatore have called a hit ending CJ's life?

 

Does that explain why CJ's name's written on the walls?

 

user posted image i suggest opening this image in a new tab so it can have a white background (more clearer)

 

or is it possible that CJ could have protected himself? he had the grove, alot of money, had a pitch in the 4 Dragons Casino, and also connections with Toreno who was a government agent spy dude.

 

could toreno have helped CJ from getting killed by salvatore's men?

 

could cj have gone to be a multimillionaire. expanded his businesses, he also had a pitch in madd dogs music career.

could that explain this sign in gta iv? fruntalot,

 

user posted image

 

fruntalot, an urban clothing company. cj could have been the owner?

 

 

what do you guys think, CJ could have died, or he could have been well off and well protected, with lots of money and connections to keep him alive.

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john12

Sal himself dies in gta 3, LOL how will he kill CJ?

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buzbegone
Sal himself dies in gta 3, LOL how will he kill CJ?

I dunno, maybe before Sal dies?

 

Anyway no proof at all, just speculation on an empty threat. You're shooting blanks in the dark.

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Spider-Vice

GTA 3 was passed in 2001. GTA SA was in 1992. I don't think CJ has died. After San Andreas he had all the money and power, I guess he could take Salvatore's kingdom in San Andreas down and still survive. Remember GTA IV is a different era, all the characters have been forgotten, not necessarily dead.

 

Also use the search function before making a topic, I remember lots of topics like this. smile.gif

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Metzger

I do not think that CJ has died, because, as we could see through a storyline and a gang wars, it will take more than just a dozens of armed thugs and law enforcement officers to bring him down. He is like a Frank Castle (alias The Punisher), John Rambo or John McClane, he can handle himself even in the most sticky situations. Although there was a situation, where CJ has surrendered to the police, but he did this to protect his severely wounded brother. Besides, he is now wealthy man who can buy himself a lot of protection (for example, like a Starkweather from Manhunt).

 

However, if CJ's fate will be death from assassin's hands, then CJ will put up a really serious fight without a doubt.

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