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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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aims187420

In Liberty City Stories,I believe the radios station is Chatterbox. On the show with the two guys parodying Steve Jobs and Bills Gates, there's a caller named Denise who is going on about how bad the Internet is and ends the call talking about killing her boyfriend with an axe.

 

Could that be Denise Robinson and CJ?

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Dark_side646

Good point. It could be them. There's also a rumor that a guy, called Ken, calls the station and is believed to be the Ken from VC and SA.

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aims187420
Good point. It could be them. There's also a rumor that a guy, called Ken, calls the station and is believed to be the Ken from VC and SA.

That's really cool!

 

I love the GTA series. It's amazing how all of the games are interwoven. I started with SA last year after being bitten by the gaming bug, and have slowly been working my way through all of them. ! is very frustrating, and have given up on getting very far into it, though playing it made me laugh. I'm still looking for II, and will get IV as soon as possible.

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Zee

in my own personal cannon Toni Cipriani killed Cj before the begining of LCS and thats why he went into hiding but thats just my own f*cked up version of the story

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Prasdana
in my own personal cannon Toni Cipriani killed Cj before the begining of LCS and thats why he went into hiding but thats just my own f*cked up version of the story

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Dark_side646

 

in my own personal cannon Toni Cipriani killed Cj before the begining of LCS and thats why he went into hiding but thats just my own f*cked up version of the story

At first, I was convinced that it could've been a possibility when you said this. Now, I'm having my doubts. I haven't played LCS but if I'm not wrong, Toni had killed a made-man of the Leones for Salvatore and fled from LC to lay low. Now, I might be wrong but if this is true, things get a bit confusing. Firstly, why would Salvatore make CJ, of all people, a made-man? Secondly, after killing a guy in SA, if Toni wanted to run away from that area and hide, then LC was the best hiding spot. He could even hide in SA, considering there were 3 cities where he could hide but LC would definitely be the better choice. He'd be far from SA, where nobody might track him down, and he would be living in his home-town. So, if Toni had killed CJ (a guy from SA), then why would he run away from LC instead of hiding there?

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ilikebacon3000

 

Good point. It could be them. There's also a rumor that a guy, called Ken, calls the station and is believed to be the Ken from VC and SA.

That's really cool!

 

I love the GTA series. It's amazing how all of the games are interwoven. I started with SA last year after being bitten by the gaming bug, and have slowly been working my way through all of them. ! is very frustrating, and have given up on getting very far into it, though playing it made me laugh. I'm still looking for II, and will get IV as soon as possible.

I know I'm a little late on this conversation, but just to let you know, you can download II for free off of Rockstar's website. It is completely legal/legit. They put that along with the original GTA up for download a while back.

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Dingleman

I think CJ was killed eventually by Sal. I even made a little easter egg about it in the SA:LC mod if you check out the bottom of the dam.

 

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WhistleBlower

Edit: Nevermind, lol.

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SNOMADO
In Liberty City Stories,I believe the radios station is Chatterbox. On the show with the two guys parodying Steve Jobs and Bills Gates, there's a caller named Denise who is going on about how bad the Internet is and ends the call talking about killing her boyfriend with an axe.

 

Could that be Denise Robinson and CJ?

in san andreas, we find out that the mute person goes to liberty city with catalina (GTA III) and that was when salvatore swore to kill CJ. LCS is way before GTA III. so in order of time, it was first LCS, San Andreas, then GTA III.

 

Hope i helped

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In Liberty City Stories,I believe the radios station is Chatterbox. On the show with the two guys parodying Steve Jobs and Bills Gates, there's a caller named Denise who is going on about how bad the Internet is and ends the call talking about killing her boyfriend with an axe.

 

Could that be Denise Robinson and CJ?

in san andreas, we find out that the mute person goes to liberty city with catalina (GTA III) and that was when salvatore swore to kill CJ. LCS is way before GTA III. so in order of time, it was first LCS, San Andreas, then GTA III.

 

Hope i helped

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no actually, the correct time order is San Andreas, LCS, and III wink.gif

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lil weasel

 

QUOTE (In in-game chronological order

(not the order they were released in)

the third generation Grand Theft Auto games are:)

• Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories Set in: 1984 - Released in: 2006

• Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Set in: 1986 - Released in: 2002

• Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Set in: 1992 - Released in: 2004

• Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Set in: 1998 - Released in: 2005

• Grand Theft Auto Set in: 2000 - Released in: 2004

• Grand Theft Auto III Set in: 2001 - Released in: 2001

• Grand Theft Auto IV Set in 2008 – Released in 2008

 

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Tyler

Yeah, you're missing Liberty City Stories - the cornerstone of this argument.

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JustRob

Near the end of GTA: San Andreas (or after the end of, depending on when you do the Caligula heist), Salvatore Leone gives CJ a call, telling him that he will murder him, his family, and his friends.

 

Now, Salvatore is a man with influence. Even though he was dealt a blow in Las Venturas, he was still strong in Liberty City until his death in 2001. GTA San Andreas took place in 1992, so there were nine years between his threat and his death, so anything could have happened.

 

I don't think the Leones would take control of Los Santos, as we never hear anything about that during GTAIII. But I think it to be very likely that they would assassinate CJ and Sweet and pretty much rub out the Grove. Maybe even Cesar and Kendl.

 

So CJ could have been killed by the Leones. But here's another theory:

 

During Interdiction, Mike Toreno mentions that CJ is now wanted by the government, and Russians want to interrogate him, even though it's not their highest priority. However, CJ has done a lot to sabotage the government, like during Stowaway, or Black Project, and pretty much all of Toreno's missions.

 

So another possibility is that CJ was eventually arrested or killed by the government.

 

Thoughts?

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Rhoda

Perhaps. It's implied, sure, but I honestly never gave it much thought. I don't know about you but I had my CJ killed often, mainly because of parachute failure. Don't forget, Leone influence in San Andreas wasn't mentioned in III as it probably hadn't been conceived at that point. Maybe CJ is that much of a cold, bad "nigga" that he avoided it? Thinking on though, maybe he, Claude and Tommy all died? The graffiti in IV suggests so, but this may well be an easter egg and merely a subtle way of saying farewell to the series.

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Hitman843

I dont know but i love how Cj turned Salvatore into a paranoid freak.

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lil weasel

SEARCH is your Friend. Olde Game means many topics are already covered.

REFERENCE:

What are they doing now.

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=457669

 

Is CJ Dead? http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1060127443

 

There’s nothing wrong with ‘bumping’ an olde Topic IF you make a Substantial addition to it.

 

 

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JustRob

Okay then, just for the sake of completion, here's the full list:

 

1984 - GTA Vice City Stories

1986 - GTA Vice City

1992 - GTA San Andreas

1997 - GTA1

1998 - GTA Liberty City Stories

2001 - GTAIII

2013 - GTA2

 

Anyways, on a different note, don't forget that CJ also had government agents after him. Toreno says in Interdiction that Russian investigators are asking for permission to capture and interrogate him. Plus, don't forget how CJ sabotaged the government.

 

- He stole a valuable truck that was important to a government agency

- He shot down several helicopters from the government in order to protect a drug package

- He supplied one of Toreno's men with equipment

- He entered a government plane and killed everyone on board and blew it up

- He stole a multi-million dollar black project from the best protected secret lab in the world, Area 69

- He collected mysterious green liquid from the government

- He stole a fighter jet from a government assault ship and then used it to blow up government ships

- And if you include beta stuff, he killed off a lot of FBI agents to protect The Truth from being captured

 

So yeah, that's a big list. The government would definitely want to assassinate him, or at least capture and torture him. So that's the Leones who are after CJ, plus the government. Sure Grove Street is a big street gang, and with the Varrios Los Aztecas backing them up they have quite some numbers, but not enough to stand against such a force.

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sonnyBlack

Good points, JustRob, but CJ did do all that single-handedly. I feel he'd be too bad of a motherf*cker to be brought down by Sal or even the government, especially if they try to take him on in his stronghold in Ganton. They'd have to get through his gang first and whatever back up from the Aztecas and Mountain Cloud Boys too. And then try to take him down face to face.

 

I know that's terribly unrealistic thinking, but CJ's capable of some hardcore stuff as we all seen in the game. Perhaps I'm overestimating his capabilities, but the dude even managed to get into Area 69 with the military on full patrol. And after killing mostly everybody, he makes out with the 60 million dollar goods. The man's a beast!

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Kurator

Even if CJ was killed, he would just respawn at the closest hospital biggrin.gif

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lil weasel

Right smile.gif

But, the first item on that list isn't a Government Truck. It was a Mafia Truck. So the government wouldn't be bothered with CJ since he did'nt do anything to threaten the Nations Oil Supply. However the Mafia would... as they have long memories regarding money. confused.gif

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riquenunes

I really hope so. He and that gangsta bullsh*t from San Andreas.

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JustRob
Good points, JustRob, but CJ did do all that single-handedly. I feel he'd be too bad of a motherf*cker to be brought down by Sal or even the government, especially if they try to take him on in his stronghold in Ganton. They'd have to get through his gang first and whatever back up from the Aztecas and Mountain Cloud Boys too. And then try to take him down face to face.

 

I know that's terribly unrealistic thinking, but CJ's capable of some hardcore stuff as we all seen in the game. Perhaps I'm overestimating his capabilities, but the dude even managed to get into Area 69 with the military on full patrol. And after killing mostly everybody, he makes out with the 60 million dollar goods. The man's a beast!

I don't know if the Triads would help Carl out. He and Woozie are friends, sure, but would they interfere if the government was after him? I think they might find that a tad risky and hang back.

 

But yeah, he did do all that, but most of them he accomplished because of the element of surprise. Nobody expected one guy to infiltrate their top-secret bases.

 

I don't know about him stealing the Black Project. Sure, CJ is powerful as hell, but weren't they just underestimating him? Carl needs to have some sort of weakness. They could kidnap his brother and force him to surrender.

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sonnyBlack

A possible weakness could definitely be Sweet. Seeing how he blamed CJ for their younger brother Brian's death, I don't think Carl would be able to live with himself if Sweet got killed from his actions.

 

And as for the Triads not wanting to interfere with the government, that could be the case, but I can't help but think something would come along to help CJ get through it. Mike Toreno might even return to provide some assistance for Carl, or his agents even since he did help them out in a few missions.

 

I'm probably just grabbing at straws here though. I'm a wishful thinker. lol

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lil weasel

After reading all that... And just finished watching a ReRun movie... CJ equates with xXx.

and, going with the Area 69 business. Why wasn't there a check point? Just an open gate with a pacing guard some distance inside. Come on that's a set up. Like using Leg-Irons as Hand-cuffs to allow their use for the prisoner escape as in some poorly thought out movie.

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JustRob
A possible weakness could definitely be Sweet. Seeing how he blamed CJ for their younger brother Brian's death, I don't think Carl would be able to live with himself if Sweet got killed from his actions.

 

And as for the Triads not wanting to interfere with the government, that could be the case, but I can't help but think something would come along to help CJ get through it. Mike Toreno might even return to provide some assistance for Carl, or his agents even since he did help them out in a few missions.

 

I'm probably just grabbing at straws here though. I'm a wishful thinker. lol

I guess, I'm just someone who likes tragic endings hahah.

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Secro

If the players believe the newpaper thing in GTA IV, then yes he is dead.

 

If we stay in the third era, I don't think so;

 

-He has Grove Street and Sweet as his closest aid.

-He has the Aztecas and Cesar and Kendl as his second closest aid.

-He has the Mountain Cloud Boys, or should I say the whole San Fierro Triads, as his third closest aid.

-He managed to infiltrate an army base, an army ship, and an army fueling point, aswell as the National Guard Depot.

-He killed many government workers for Toreno.

-Toreno is working for a government agency, so technically, he is his ally.

-He collected all the horseshoes, oysters, sprayed all the tags, and took a photo of all the snapshots givin him lot of weapons, Desert Eagle, Knife and SMG for his gang also, and giving him infinite lunge ability.

-He is probably with maximum muscles and driving, biking, boating and flying stats, and surely maximum ability skills for all the weapons.

-These guys are also stupid; CJ goes to a Pay 'n' Spray and they leave him alone even if they saw him going in the garage. The same if we go to sleep (saving game).

 

I believe that he's only going to die of a natural cause; old age.

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JustRob

I don't think Toreno would help CJ. When he told him that Russians wanted to interrogate him, it didn't sound like Toreno was planning on doing anything about it. Also, Toreno owes nothing to CJ, why would he do him a favor? It's not in Toreno's nature to do things out of charity.

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Adler

CJ's still alive according to my game. Still awaiting Salvatore's hitmen, government agents, Balla drivebys, Russian assassins, natural causes, etc. It's like time stood still after I beat the game. Been 1992 for 5 years.

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Dark_side646
Also, Toreno owes nothing to CJ, why would he do him a favor?

To save his own skin. The moment CJ lets Toreno's name slip, his captors (government / Russians / aliens) would go straight for Toreno. With such a lot on the line, why would CJ not reveal who he was working for? Toreno doesn't seem like the guy who'd ignore such a possibility. To save himself he'd have only two options. Either to kill CJ and eliminate any danger of exposure or to give him protection against the people his organisation was fighting.

 

If he wanted to kill CJ, he could have done that the moment CJ became useless to him. Instead, he lets CJ go and frees Sweet as promised. The end of his involvement with CJ doesn't necessarily mean the end of any further danger to him and his organisation. Unless he is completely impossible to track down, even by the government and military, he'd have to protect CJ if he'd want to protect himself. Also, if we take Toreno's words seriously, CJ has nothing to fear from the Russians. Toreno, himself, stated that the Russian government had bigger things to worry about than a one-time interference by a petty street thug.

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