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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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abcadgfawghaeheheahaeh

i think why they are so called "dead" claude example meet a girl marry her and so go on and tommy is like 50 years and got kids and wife and cj well he just keep living like a normal person living his life happy. that is my answer

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i think why they are so called "dead" claude example meet a girl marry her and so go on and tommy is like 50 years and got kids and wife and cj well he just keep living like a normal person living his life happy. that is my answer

Yea that explains it all thanks

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boothy
That graffiti doesn't mean they have to be dead for whatever reason. It just means they say goodbye to the old main characters and that they'll never be seen anymore.

 

And I don't think any of them are dead, not even Vic.

 

-Vic was not the brother, it was someone else, the police thought Lance and a brother had returned, the known criminal is Vic but it wasn't actually him. He left the crime scene since 84.

 

-Tommy is also retired, he gave his position to his son and married Mercedes.

 

-CJ, well he wiped out the Ballas and Vagos and has a lot of friends, so he lives a safe life. I'm not sure but I think there was some reference to him in LCS (on the radio or something with Madd Dogg).

 

-Toni, lives in his restaurant with his mother and overweight.

 

-Claude just left Liberty City after the heat on him and all the things he did.

what nice endings for them all

 

i would have said that cj quit being a gangster and lived life as mad dogs' manager

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keithmii2

 

Maybe R* will make a final 3-era game so we can find out.

Until then, we'll have to just be content with spculation.

That would be nice, but I doubt it. The GTA 1 guy didn't appear in GTA 2. The GTA 2 guy didn't appear in GTA 3. The guy in GTA 3 didn't appear in vice city, and Tommy didn't appear in San Andreas. The thing is, the protagonists don't come back, and are most likely dead because they live a life of crime; they could be shot down the next day. But I think Niko might come back, as he and Roman have total control of the streets. We might be even expecting an appearance from Brucie in the next game, because he's a side character, and would most likely not get killed. Michelle would most likely have a role in the next one, as she turned out to be a spy. She'll most likely have a very significant role in the next game. However, as there are multiple story lines in GTA4, either she or Roman will be dead.

 

Roman WILL NEVER make a return in GTA unless it's before Niko came.

 

Also the LoveFist billboard in IV goes against all the talk that the previous GTAs don't exist

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G The Generous

in 1984(Vice City)Vic Vance is die,Tommy stay alive

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Flesh-n-Bone
in 1984(Vice City)Vic Vance is die,Tommy stay alive

What are you talking about? Vice City was set in 86. Vic didn't die, it was just someone who was posing as him because he left Vice City in 84. Tommy was still in jail back then but he came out in 86 and took over.

 

 

In my eyes none of them are dead.

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newn

Well for me personally other GTAs would be not interesting except few versions (i don't think that belongs to any of the characters death):

San Andreas Stories (on PC iof course),

Vice City Stories PC version,

Liberty City Stories PC version,

GTA 4 PC version,

and 1-3 years stories after Vice City, GTA 3 and San Andreas (those of course have some linked content to characters deadth, but as far as i know no one of those characters was death untill 2007 or something like that and to those versions that's good, because they should be wset untill 1995).

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Damo.

I think people read into that graffiti thing too much. It's an Easter Egg.

It's just a way of saying that they're finished with the III canon, it doesn't mean those characters are dead.

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marineman13

yeah but if you think about the liberty city that "claude" and "toni" are in isn't the same as GTA 4 so i agree that its a diffrent cannon

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Mitorafer

I played any GTA from 3 and above exept IV and chinatown wars

CJ Nor anyone of the members that were mentioned died

 

GTA 3 :

you kill catalina and claude lives

GTA Vice city:

you kill sonny and lance vance and tommy vercetti lives

GTA SA:

anyone knows it tempenny exidently kills himself and cj lives

GTA LCS:

salvatore drives you in a boat in the final mission and you kill peeps i don't remember much more and tony cipriani lives

GTA VCS:

you kill martinez and another guy don't remember hes name (i think one of the two mendez brothers) and victor vance lives

 

I don't remember detailes cause my ps2 stopped working hes dead cause hes to old (4 years) and fall on floor many times...

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Snapple Escobar

I'd like to think CJ is still alive, although not so much involved with the Grove anymore but busy with Madd Dogg, the casino and other things, maybe even living in one of those nice houses up in Mulholland or Richman. Of course Sweet wouldn't be happy but that's his problem. The character who I'm most interested in what he's up to is Mike Toreno. Out of all the GTA characters he's the one I'd most like to appear again to get to know more about him. In fact the next GTA should revolve around him biggrin.gif

 

And I wish people would stop going on about how these people never existed in the GTA IV universe. What has that got to do with anything?

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crazybandit19

lol hope he not dead, would be cool to use him is future gta games, unless he is too old

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Magic_Al

CJ is seen skydiving on TV in IV. "But it's just an Easter Egg! The graffiti on the wall says he's dead!" Well I say the graffiti is the Easter Egg and the TV is real! "They're both Easter Eggs!" Well then they cancel each other out! "Uh..."

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Prasdana

we know CJ robbed Caligula Casino and Salvatore really angry about that and Sal didn't say anything about that in both LCS and III.so did Salvatore get his revenge?

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NeoVsSmith

In gta 4 theres some easter egg magizine that has a picture that looks like CJ, They said he died from age. but idk where the sources are anymore

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AlfieWilRus
In gta 4 theres some easter egg magizine that has a picture that looks like CJ, They said he died from age. but idk where the sources are anymore

SA was set in 91 (I think forgot) and 4 was in 2008. Ok CJ was 25 in 91 so he would only be 42 when 4 took place so I don't think he died of old age.

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Dark_side646

I'm of the opinion that he didn't. I'm not sure but in LCS, I think its mentioned that the Sindacos took complete control of Caligula's Casino in LV, implying that Salvatore and the rest of the Leone gang move out of Venturas at some point, leaving the Sindacos to take over. If Salvatore could kill CJ, I don't see him having any problems killing Woozie and rubbing out 4 Dragons to eliminate any competition. However, if he truly had killed off CJ, why would he suddenly just leave Caligula's, considering the casino had become a big source of income for him and the Leones?

 

The Sindacos had been ousted from Venturas, the Forelli attempt at any backlash was thwarted and the Leones had complete control over Caligula's. The only other competition would be the 4 Dragons. But if Salvatore had managed to kill CJ, he would've taken out their main muscle man and a valuable member of the Casino shareholders in the process, leaving them in a comparatively weakened state and more vulnerable to be rubbed out of Venturas, leaving the Leones the most powerful entity in the City.

 

Despite such a possibility, he left the place. Sure the Casino was robbed but it did get back on its feet, considering it became a source of income for Sindacos in LCS. Like I said, this is just a speculation. Anything is possible. However, if CJ has the possibility of getting killed by a vengeful Salvatore then Tommy might have killed by a Forrelli member seeking vengeance and Toni could've been killed by a Triad or Yakuza ambush as well. What really bugs me is how Salvatore came to know that CJ was involved in the robbery. CJ was in disguise, him and the others robbed the place in darkness, killed every security member who saw him and, for added measure any security camera (if there were any in1992) was disabled due to the power cut.

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MyDog

I doubt that Tommy could get killed by the Forelli's, after establishing such a powerful organization in VC.

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Dark_side646

Well, its not like CJ was a poor beggar on the streets. Even if he wasn't as powerful as Tommy, he still held a lot of power. Not only was his gang the most powerful in LS but he also had support of Los Aztecas and the possibly more powerful Mountain Cloud Triads by the end of the game. Besides, by the time Sonny died, the Forrellis still held a lot of power in LC. If Tommy, with all his support and his own gang by his side can thwart any attempt at another attack by the Haitians or Forrellis then the same can be said for the case of CJ and Salvatore. Thats why, if it is possible for Salvatore to kill CJ as revenge, then it is equally possible for any of Sonny's successors to kill Tommy as revenge too.

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MyDog

Grove Street Families were still a street gang, even after CJ's comeback to LS. Tommy, on the other hand, is a powerful crime boss, plus he had the help of Cubans and Bikers.

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Spider-Vice
Ok CJ was 25 in 91

How'd you know?

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Dark_side646
Grove Street Families were still a street gang, even after CJ's comeback to LS. Tommy, on the other hand, is a powerful crime boss, plus he had the help of Cubans and Bikers.

They weren't just a street gang but quite a strong street gang having almost as big an influence in LS as the Vercettis in VC. Besides, who is to say that they couldn't become more powerful and organised? If they weren't strong then neither were the Vercettis. Plus, Cubans and Bikers were also street gangs while the Mountain Cloud Triads were quite a strong organisation. Besides, Forrellis were also quite powerful during VC's events. Since Sonny's team wasn't enough, the next potential attack on Tommy could be more powerful with many more Forelli gang members than Sonny had in the previous attack that could be enough to do what Sonny couldn't.

In short, although Tommy is richer and has a more powerful gang, CJ has a more powerful support and greater potential. In full strength and with all their support, I believe both are equals. Hence, in my opinion, the possibility of Slavatore killing CJ is equal to that of Forrellis killing Tommy. Also, I'll have to repeat, how the heck did Salvatore find out about CJ's involvement in the Heist even though CJ was in disguise?

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MyDog
Grove Street Families were still a street gang, even after CJ's comeback to LS. Tommy, on the other hand, is a powerful crime boss, plus he had the help of Cubans and Bikers.

They weren't just a street gang but quite a strong street gang having almost as big an influence in LS as the Vercettis in VC. Besides, who is to say that they couldn't become more powerful and organised? If they weren't strong then neither were the Vercettis. Plus, Cubans and Bikers were also street gangs while the Mountain Cloud Triads were quite a strong organisation. Besides, Forrellis were also quite powerful during VC's events. Since Sonny's team wasn't enough, the next potential attack on Tommy could be more powerful with many more Forelli gang members than Sonny had in the previous attack that could be enough to do what Sonny couldn't.

In short, although Tommy is richer and has a more powerful gang, CJ has a more powerful support and greater potential. In full strength and with all their support, I believe both are equals. Hence, in my opinion, the possibility of Slavatore killing CJ is equal to that of Forrellis killing Tommy. Also, I'll have to repeat, how the heck did Salvatore find out about CJ's involvement in the Heist even though CJ was in disguise?

Now we're having a small debate, uh? After teaming up twice wink.gif

 

Anyway, it is true, but new Forelli boss may have just said "f*ck Sonny, I don't want a new war". As for Salvatore's discovery, maybe Zero has something to do with it?

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lil weasel

If CJ is alive and well... why didn't Rockstar followup with him in the latest GTA? Or maybe start a series of SA?

And who doesn't have a life that cares...

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Dark_side646

 

Anyway, it is true, but new Forelli boss may have just said "f*ck Sonny, I don't want a new war". As for Salvatore's discovery, maybe Zero has something to do with it?

I didn't really want to argue. I just wanted to explain that it would be quite difficult for Salvatore to kill CJ, giving an example of how difficult it would be for Sonny's successor to kill Tommy. You could be right, Sonny's successors could've just ignored Sonny's death and diverted the focus on the gang's influence in LC. Similarly, Salvatore could've just said,"Screw Venturas and screw the Casino. I'd rather spend my time gaining power in Liberty City."

And what, exactly, could Zero have done to make Salvatore know about this? He admitted ratting them out to Berkley but there was no mention of him ratting out to Salvatore. If this were true, the heist would've been easily prevented since Salvatore would've known about it beforehand. Besides, why the heck would Zero be stupid enough to tell Salvatore about the heist in the first place? It really bugs me to receive that phone call every time after Breaking The Bank... and keep saying to myself, "How the heck did he know that?" Stupid R* angry.gif .

 

@lil weasel :

So you mean to say that if R* does not follow up with a GTA character in a following GTA then that means that character is dead? Well, then its safe to assume that Tommy and the others are as dead as CJ.

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lazy34

Even if CJ was "disguised" his face wasn't covered.

If the casino had surveillance cameras they would've seen him entering the casino and also when the power came back on (because of Zero bragging to Berkley about the heist)

CJ was also the distraction drawing police attention for the escape.

How could Salvatore not know that CJ was involved in the heist?

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Dark_side646

His face can be covered, if we cover it with a mask item from the wardrobe. The joke glasses make a good disguise at any time. Besides, no matter what hairstyle you have before that, it is always reset to the cesar-style during the mission. There is no reason to believe that CJ would just go in there undisguised. If he didn't mind getting detected, he could've done everything without the Croupier clothing.

As for the police, the only mission related police that could see him could all be killed. They'd need to be, in order to obtain the getaway Police Heli. I really find it strange that with all the things he did, it was Salvatore who would know that CJ did something behind his back. Not the military of Area 51, not the police, not the Loco Syndicate but the guy whom CJ betrayed when he was disguised that actually found out.

Not to mention, this would be the first time this would happen. Tommy and the others, while robbing would even take each others names but nobody cared. The police would've surely seen Claude while he'd be running away after killing Kenji but the Yakuza remain oblivious. With the amount amount of crime CJ commits and if him getting detected was always so easy, the police and the military should be after CJ, not Salvatore. Lame. icon13.gif

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Omini

You can't really say that CJ being killed by Salvatore is as likely/possible as Tommy being killed by the Forellis, since in both cases you only have one side of the story so to speak. Yeah, Tommy became a powerful, rich crime lord in VC. CJ ran the most powerful street gang in Los Santos (which theoretically speaking, could be extended to San Fierro with the garage or Wangs Cars as a base of operations, and the desert with the airstrip as a base of operations).

 

However just how much power do the Forellis have? And how much power does Salvatore have? You can have a rough guess, but that's all it is - a guess. You can make an educated guess at the likelihood of CJ's and Tommy's survival, since you played as them and know what they've become...

 

Though with all that said, I just realised I haven't played VCS or LCS so I don't know what is revealed in them.

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Dark_side646

 

However just how much power do the Forellis have?  And how much power does Salvatore have?  You can have a rough guess, but that's all it is - a guess.  You can make an educated guess at the likelihood of CJ's and Tommy's survival, since you played as them and know what they've become...

 

Though with all that said, I just realised I haven't played VCS or LCS so I don't know what is revealed in them.

In the Intro Cutscene (that came with the SE version of SA, for PS2) during the meeting between Salvatore and Johnny Salvatore says,"Ever since Sonny Forrelli got himself pasted all over Florida, you think you run things in this town."

This would imply that Sonny did actually have a lot of power and that the Forrellis were quite strong during his time. Why else would Salvatore mention him like that for no reason? It is unlikely that the Forrellis would just lose all their turf, influence and power in LC the instant Sonny died. So I don't see any reason for them to not be strong enough launch another stronger attack on Tommy as payback.

 

On the lines of Salvatore and CJ, if Salvatore was able to kill CJ despite his gang and his friends watching his back, then why would he just leave the Casino and Las Venturas? It is shown in LCS that Paulie Sindacco, the Sindacco don, keeps moving from LC to LV to transfer the money, earned from the Casino, to fund their gang activities. I find it hard to think that Salvatore would just let go of an important source of income, especially after killing the main muscle of the competing Casino and just give it back to the gang, from whom they took control of the Casino in the first place. It only makes as much sense as Lance approaching a stranger, like Tommy, and not Vic after Pete dies, as would be claimed by the people, in the past, who used to insist that Vic was still alive.

 

In short : Yes, the Forrellis were quite powerful during Sonny's reign and would still be strong enough to launch another attack to kill Tommy. Also, it makes no sense for Salvatore to leave the Casino and Las Venturas, especially if he had been able to kill CJ.

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