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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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DoctorMike

He is either dead or retired, but it looks like that Toni killed him sometime in 1993 or something then he killed a mademan in 1994, Thats probably why Salvatore didn't mention CJ or didn't ask him to kill CJ at all. Because he is most likely dead.

He might be the Underboss-Boss/leader of the GSF if he is retired.

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GTA-Biker

He's probably alive,either living in some mansion in north LS, making loads of money by owning a mechanic garage in SF and an airfield in Bone County, co-owning a casino in LV and working as Madd Dogg's manager,or has returned to Grove Street and continued being second in command in GSF (in which case it's not impossible that he later got killed in a fight against Ballas or Vagos).

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Bananasean

1. CJ is rich enough to hire a hundred bodyguards with mini guns

2. Toni should stay in Liberty and celebrate with Sal instead of hiding in another city since CJ is in SA and the Leones would protect him in Liberty.

3. I remember there's a mission in LCS that involves a big gunfight. The Leones carried Tec-9s (or Uzis? ) during the mission.

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lil weasel

Former State Senator Carl Johnson, who served his community and state.in the Senate from 1994 to 2006.died

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Michael

If Carl Johnson would be still alive, he would almost be fifty years and the ninetees are already twenty six years ago. He has multiple houses in the state of San Andreas, his gang took over Los Santos and he has very important friends such as Woozie and he has enough money. I think he would retire and live the good life.

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Rocket man FI
You are right but if he in Los Santos,He would surely appeared in gta v.Also,He has Madd Doggs crib

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The Time Ranger

I heard If you say his name three times while looking in a mirror he won't appear.

 

He made it to the top of the pile, he has a lot of money and some very powerful friends, unless Rockstar specify otherwise I'm going to assume he's living the high life in Los Santos.

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DetectivePhelps

It's all speculation, imaginations. Never was confirmed & 2, I've tried to go back to them WOP Italians to start war, nothing. In my game he's alive.

What happens in gta3, don't care for. That's just me.

 

And believe me, Dear Heaven I would enjoy as a drifter with nothing to do, spending my every waking hour hunting them Italians bullet by bullet on every temple of each & everyone of them. How I hunger for that!!!!! Yes, It's personal for me!!

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lil weasel

It's all speculation, imaginations. Never was confirmed

EXACTLY, what Rockstar, Dan Hauser said they like to to see on the various forums.

That is why Rockstar story writers left such large holes in the story, so Fans can fill in the Details from their imaginations.

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Reameb

I dont think he is dead, im pretty sure he is alive, enjoying all the money with his family and friends. He can buy all the protection he wants too xD

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Queen Elizabeth II

Yeah, I wonder why doesn't Salvatore mention "that black guy" who robbed him. Weird. Is CJ... dead? I don't think so.... or do I?

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

Is Carl Johnson dead? Because in GTA IV, I saw some graffiti on a wall saying:"Victor - never forget you / always remember you bro", "RIP Claude", "RIP Toni", "remember Tommy - u r still my hero", "Carl I love you RIP everyone miss you", "RIP Vic".Did he get the electric chair for killing that cop or something?

Police or Opponent Gang Members must have encountered them.

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Omega_Is_Here

Carl is far from being dead my friend.

And ''Rockstar story writers left such large holes in the story, so Fans can fill in the Details from their imaginations'' i'd have to agree on this.

But what most probably happened after the events of San Andreas,is that cj went on a tour around the world with maccer,paul,kent.

Also there is a photo easter egg in gta iv,featuring (In theory) cj wearing a suit holding a glass of wine and getting a lap dance.The photo seems to indicate that cj is a multi billionaire,enjoying the rich life and stuff like that.

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy

I dont think he is dead, im pretty sure he is alive, enjoying all the money with his family and friends. He can buy all the protection he wants too xD

???? :/

 

You have played this game and the others in the series, right? :sarcasm:

 

Perhaps, you might reconsider what this game has to teach people. :monocle:

 

You do realize that, as each of these games demonstrate, there is such a thing as enough protection, right? :panic:

 

Just saying.....

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Bananasean

why is it so hard for people to understand the difference between an OG and a MADE MAN!!!

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Honker1944

^Maybe becouse we have never seen the Grove Street Families hierarchy. I've only heard that Ryder was probably lieutenant becouse GSF deals with grass. And Cj death is one of most likely.

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lil weasel

Rockstar's Writers/Story Board/Producers have never made "Clear" what the GSF did.
They left it open for the Fans to Speculate on just about everything.
But. We do know that GSF does not have any connections with Drugs as an an income.
No Grass, or harder substances, except for person use (Ryder*). only purchases by individuals. There is no distribution.
We have Ryder acquiring Weapons, but again no sales.
We have Carl accumulating Money at GS. But unknown for what other than neighbourhood pay offs. Which to me means Shakedowns, Protection, and Burglary.

During the Game Carl acquires other business ventures, so they are not Home Income prior.

 

If Big Smoke is in on heavy drug production then why is his "Partner" Ryder cooking his own?

 

I still go with the Senator (state) Carl dying of old age or disease as I posted before, being as good as any..

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The Wolf Man

He went quiet.

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GW99WG

that is actually r*'s way to say that none of gta's older characters is coming back and they just might be in another universe due to the fact that none of the cities look like their old renditions

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JosephStalin

Carl bottomed for some 6'5 well-endowed gangbanger named Tyrone he f*cked carl so hard that his heart stopped permanently.

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Bananasean

CJ retired and became a pro wrestler. His ring name is Apollo Crews.

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MisterLanceVanceDance

The most logical conclusion is CJ was whacked, he robbed the mafia casino & cost Salvatore Leone a lot of money. Sal calls CJ after the heist and threatens CJ & his family's lives while Carl just mocks him lol ... Italian mafia wouldn't forget about that. Clues in GTA 5's present day HD universe also support this theory as Grove St. Families' set is completely dissolved while rival gangs from the 90's era still exist in Los Santos.

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Osho

Yeah... that's why instead of doing something to hurt CJ, Salvatore chose to leave SA and move back to LC because of the simple fact that in order to carry out the threats, any Mafia family relies on men ( guys like Toni ) they can trust and guarantee success in getting close to their target, and carryout a hit. Salvatore was nothing more than a pussy after losing power in LV due to the betrayal who relied only on his own two hands, and there's no one in SA who will be interested in having an alliance with a loser like Salvatore that could help to join him and take up the task of killing CJ, which is why Sal was left with no choice but go back to LC.

So, the idea that 'Sal threatens CJ & his family's lives' itself sounds hilarious, let alone impossible and the most illogical thing in the first place. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

CJ has an entire GSF behind him, including the strong alliance with those who will readily come to aid him. There's nothing to threaten him in SA. By the end of the story, CJ was a lot more powerful ( even more than pussy Salvatore ) and established strong bases of operations across SA, including the GSF as the dominant gang in LS.

CJ isn't the only one who had their lives threatened by Salvatore which was all because of his paranoia.

Oh and the whole "Toni killing CJ" is also completely implausible since there's no mention of Toni ever venturing outside LC. Even if he did at some point, there's no way Toni could escape SA unharmed and alive after killing a powerful man like CJ with so many strong men around him to protect.

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MisterLanceVanceDance

Lol come on of course Sal wouldn't carry out the hit himself, anyone with a basic understanding of the mob would know the Don keeps clean hands. Here's the call which would foreshadow the hit. Doesn't have to be Toni Cipriani, Sal would have sent anyone to whack CJ the same way he sent CJ to Liberty City to carry out a hit.

 

 

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Osho

Anyone? But whom?

Salvatore can't send "anyone to whack" other than his affiliations with men we know based on the events that have actually occurred in the "in game" universe which mentions "no one" nor any instance of him sending any men to carry out such a hit before Claude eventually assassinates Salvatore.

Not happening.

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MisterLanceVanceDance

I could've sworn in San Andreas' story Salvatore sent CJ, a street hoodlum he barely knew to Liberty City to whack a Forelli mob member who crossed him. If he's willing to hire just about anyone for a hit on someone who wronged him, do you really think he never followed up on that post-casino heist call? He had quite some time to organize it considering Claude doesn't assassinate Salvatore until 9 years later in 2001... lol

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Osho

Dude, I was talking about any instance post-CJs betrayal. How did you know that Salvatore did sent CJ to carry put a hit?

Because its recorded in game. Similarly, there's no such record of Salvatore sending "any one" to SA and kill CJ. We're talking about the popular and powerful man called CJ and if Salvatore killed him then certainly we would know about the same before Claude kills him. :p

Its simple, common sense. It can't be a matter of speculation because Salvatore is recorded as "deceased" in game universe which means any major and significant events will be known to the player. The fact there's no strong hint nor passing mention that indicates Salvatore had hired someone to kill CJ makes absolutely clear that he has no further role to play whatsoever, after leaving SA and post-CJs betrayal.

If Salvatore was alive, just like CJ at the end of the events that happened during the entire period in the "in game universe" then chances are Salvatore can send someone to kill CJ at some point in future.

But that's not the case. So, NO.

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Bananasean

WOW! A 8 year old topic with 416 replies! Keep it alive guys.

 

Anyways I still think CJ is 80% alive cuz he's n crime expert. There are only a few guys in the world that are brave enough to steal army equipments. The Leones were much weaker before their killing machine returns to LC.

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MisterLanceVanceDance

Of course we're keeping this alive, GSF 4 LYFE lol

 

But Salvatore ultimately ordering a hit on CJ is only a theory. None of us know what happens to CJ, Rockstar left that open for us to imagine & debate about for years to come ... CJ's totally dead tho.

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Son of Zeus

Of course we're keeping this alive, GSF 4 LYFE lol

 

But Salvatore ultimately ordering a hit on CJ is only a theory. None of us know what happens to CJ, Rockstar left that open for us to imagine & debate about for years to come ... CJ's totally dead tho.

Suggesting that Salvatore sent anyone to kill him is quite silly. No ordinary thug stands a chance against any GTA protag.

 

So Toni would be the only option and there's no way Toni would be able to kill CJ. CJ was way too skilled and powerful at the end of SA.

 

The most probable amswer is that he left the hood life and enjoyed life. Maybe even convinced Sweet to leave the gang lifestyle.

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