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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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Lewis Chappers

African-American's in South-Central tend to have worryingly low life expediencies. Its 50/50 in all fairness. Though, C.J. did want to get out of "the game." Who knows, he might have got out of the thug life? I don't know...

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lil weasel

Dan H. has said that Rockstar does not comment on speculation; that they like to read what fans and commentators postulate. So unless Rockstar makes an Official Statement we are free to dream, and keep the rumors rolling :^:.

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King Andreas

They ignore my mail (unless it's purchase related) because they hold GTA 5 fans in higher regard than San Andreas fans; multiplayer is a bigger "priority" for them than a San Andreas sequel. They might as well have spit in my face.

 

Patching their plot-holes by resorting to this "universe" nonsense is also quite sad.

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lil weasel

"Universe" nonsense wouldn't be necessary IF players would stop insisting on having the GTA stories connect.

Taking each one as an independent story seems difficult for some people.

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CarIJohnson

I'm alive guys.

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Deissp

I'm alive guys.

 

Actually, Rockstar say you don't exist.

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King Andreas

Having the titles "1", "2", "3", "4", and "5" implies a canon series. If a book author wrote a "part 1, 2", and so forth rife with contradictions, accompanied with a "universe" justification, they'd be deemed "plot-holes" by fans. Why should the GTA series be granted an exception?

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PkUnzipper

 

QUOTE (RidingHigh @ Jun 1 2008, 22:56) I think R* stated that all of the past GTA characters are dead, which is why none returned to IV. R* killed Tommy, CJ, Toni, Vic and Claude so they won't have to be asked on the next GTA, "Will Tommy or CJ make a cameo?", they can answer simply, "No. They're dead."

Pretty much what he clearly said. It was already made official thousands of years ago that all the past protagonists will be dead. In fact, the likely occurence of them being dead is very high. It's because they live the life of a criminal so they can be shot down the next day.

 

 

Yep. And this is also exactly why R* deliberately pissed off the TLAD fanboys by letting Trevor kill off Johnny when you first meet Trevor in the intro mission.

 

And lets be realistic here based on what we're given in the current GTA universe:

 

1. Whatever gang turf wars happened between SA time frame over 25 years ago, it didn't go well for GSF. So IMO GSF is clearly KIA as an active set of Grove Street. Because the Ballas now occupy Grove Street. Besides, all the OGs who founded GSF are either dead (like Big Smoke, Ryder back in SA). Or crack/base heads like B-Dup. Or MIA/AWOL like Sweet and OG Loc.

 

2. So the remaining GSF members who survived the Ballas take over of Grove St, would've long since joined the GCF, or moved on from banging a long time ago....

 

3. At the end of SA, CJ was most likely in charge of the GSF instead of Sweet. This is based on the respect he'd earned from the GSF and Sweet. So he was most likely killed in action, since the Ballas now own Grove St. But

 

4. If CJ is still alive in present day SA--and really did quit GSF--then he's probably what Lester would say "has gone quiet". :lol:

 

Because with all that $$$$$ he was making working with Wu Zi, his properties/assets around the map, the Casino in Las Venturas, and his chop shop business with Ceasar in San Fierro, CJ could easily afford to retire from gang banging TBH.

 

5. But to date, the only explicit acknowledgement R* has made on CJ, was that memorial on the staircase wall in Roman's apt. This memorial also showed up in a couple other places in LC come to think of it. But anyways, they haven't mentioned anything about CJ in GTA 5. You also saw what they let Trevor do to Johnny :/ As well as quite a few chars who Niko dealt with in LC like the UL paper guy.

 

CJ spent all of his time in SA trying to unify the GSF with Seville Familes etc. And now the GCF are too busy set tripping with each other to take on the Ballas or the Vagos. So it's only rational to assume CJ is very dead. :/

 

RIP CJ. :cool:

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markusizr

I dont think cj is dead cos he still lives on los-santos with his brother sweet

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digital31

CJ is alive I think. If you stand by some of the Families homies in CHamberlain Hills and listen to them talk, you'll occasionally here them say "OG Johnson is gutter than a muthaf*cka" ....OG being Original Gangster, usually a name given to the older gangsters thats been through it all and done much for the hood. You remember CJ took back the hood at the end of San Andreas, so now i'm sure in this day in time he would be an OG.... They could be talking about Sweet too, but at least we know one of them is alive, Sean or Carl Johnson.

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GeorgeGTA

Carl Johnson isn't dead. And it won't be.

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Grievous

Didn't he turned into bigfoot?

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Layne Staley

idk but i was mad when i seen ballas took over the grove in gta 5 after all the work i put in in SA with taking back spots lol

 

i remember going spot to spot clearing out gang waves just praying to get that call from sweet to do the last mission....it felt like forever before i finally got that call

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Grievous

Yeah it was terrible the way they wanted to shoe-horn in the gang war mini-game into the main narrative.

 

What would have been better was that the gang wars could influence the story without it being an obligation, so if you took control of plenty of neighborhoods, Grove Street OGs would regularly come to assist you during missions.

But if you didn't participate in gang wars, then the Ballas and Vagos would send for reinforcement and you will have more to enemies to shoot at.

 

Instead, they had us deal with this hour long gun fight in the worst possible time possible as the streets are run by riots!

And yet still it was the last GTA to had such a epic grand finale.

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seventhreeo

the only confirmed fates are of Vic Vance (dead) and Claude (they said he wasn't dead, I forgot where I found it) and it's implied Tommy is successful in 1992 in The Introduction

 

oh and Toni may be the leader of the Leones since.. you know

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Node

Personally I think CJ would still be in San Andreas, god knows what he is doing but I doubt he would have left.

 

Going by the dialog at the beginning of the game, he was looking to stay and by the end of it was doing pretty well for himself.

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Bixz57_2

EDIT: << merged 'new' topic into existing topic >>

 

Hello i'm French. Salvatore wanted to kill CJ because of burglary. Toni is the henchman Salvatore, look at the beginning of GTA: Liberty City Story. True ?

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same subject

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Pooyan Cyrus

CJ is probably alive now. If you look at it from each universe's aspect...

 

In 2D universe: He isn't even born.

 

In 3D universe: San Andreas' ending is in 1993. Back in 93, The Families were stronger than ever and the Grove St Families which were part of them, were strong too. CJ was a grove st gang OG and so they would do anything to protect him. We have no canon information from his life after 1993 in this era.

 

In HD universe: One of "The Families" famous OGs is named CJ. We don't have any more information aboit him but some Families members can be heard talking on phone saying "Hello OG Johnson" and some of the older members can be seen talking on phone saying "Hi CJ, Whats goin on?" or stuff like that.

 

If you believe in connection between universes, by merging the timelines you see that CJ is alive, or at least he was, until 2013.

He seems to be a cross-universe guy, like Lazlow.

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PooyanCyrus, on 01 Jan 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:PooyanCyrus, on 01 Jan 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:PooyanCyrus, on 01 Jan 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

CJ is probably alive now. If you look at it from each universe's aspect...

 

In 2D universe: He isn't even born.

 

In 3D universe: San Andreas' ending is in 1993. Back in 93, The Families were stronger than ever and the Grove St Families which were part of them, were strong too. CJ was a grove st gang OG and so they would do anything to protect him. We have no canon information from his life after 1993 in this era.

 

In HD universe: One of "The Families" famous OGs is named CJ. We don't have any more information aboit him but some Families members can be heard talking on phone saying "Hello OG Johnson" and some of the older members can be seen talking on phone saying "Hi CJ, Whats goin on?" or stuff like that.

 

If you believe in connection between universes, by merging the timelines you see that CJ is alive, or at least he was, until 2013.

He seems to be a cross-universe guy, like Lazlow.

 

No, he isn't , stop making up bullsh*t, nobody is [...] to believe you .

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snakewithoutatongue

i think Tommy Vercetti is still alive and ruling the entire vice city and he has the most powerfull gang in GTA history.if he can get killed it would be only possible that a ,man in his own gang ratted on him with Forellis

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Stratocastor15

Just want to jump in here. Considering at the end of San Andreas the Grove is the largest and strongest gang in LS, and in GTA V, they don't exist, it is quite possible that he has been killed. Grove St. is now occupied by the Ballas, and they seem to control a large amount of Strawberry/Davis. It may have been Salvatore and the Leones, or maybe the Ballas just overthrew them. Either way, I could see CJ being dead, just seems like R* would have added some sort of easter egg or reference, other than the Hood Safari one.

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lil weasel

Considering at the end of San Andreas the Grove is the largest and strongest gang in LS, and in GTA V, they don't exist, it is quite possible that he has been killed. Grove St. is now occupied by the Ballas, and they seem to control a large amount of Strawberry/Davis.

It would appear to me that since only Sweet survived of the Original Gang and since Carl wasn't interested in Grove St (along with his sister). It is more likely that when Sweet died Carl with his millions moved to a more appropriate neighbourhood. So without the force of Carl's leadership the Groves just faded away.

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Jeansowaty

Reading all this, I cannot believe how many stupid people are on these forums... the 3D Universe (where SA is) is NOT canon to the HD Universe (where V and IV are). Sure, there are references like Lazlow, Families, Ballas etc. however they ARE NOT THE SAME!

OT, I think CJ might have died, however it couldn't have been Salvatore or his men. They all were weakasses, come on, which heavily armed guy with an AR10 wouldn't spot a sniper on the rooftop across the street? Duh.

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Stratocastor15

 

Considering at the end of San Andreas the Grove is the largest and strongest gang in LS, and in GTA V, they don't exist, it is quite possible that he has been killed. Grove St. is now occupied by the Ballas, and they seem to control a large amount of Strawberry/Davis.

 

It would appear to me that since only Sweet survived of the Original Gang and since Carl wasn't interested in Grove St (along with his sister). It is more likely that when Sweet died Carl with his millions moved to a more appropriate neighbourhood. So without the force of Carl's leadership the Groves just faded away.You make a good point, and this is a great theory. I personally don't want to think that CJ died, because he was one of my favorite characters. I like your ideas weasel.

 

@Jeansowaty that is also true. Even bringing back Johnny wasn't cannon, just designed to add to the story. I don't think R* will ever tell us what happened to previous characters. Maybe one day we'll find out.

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BMW1992

why the [Rock]star doesn't release official info about that?

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correct spelling

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lil weasel

 

 

an interview with Sam Houser, Dan Houser, Terry Donovan, Christian Cantamessa, Jeff Rosa, and another developer.

They mentioned that they do love what the community comes up with sometimes, and they leave it alone to see how its resolved.

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Stratocastor15

 

 

 

an interview with Sam Houser, Dan Houser, Terry Donovan, Christian Cantamessa, Jeff Rosa, and another developer.

They mentioned that they do love what the community comes up with sometimes, and they leave it alone to see how its resolved.

 

In other words, they must love watching people on the forums fight about it! :lol:

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Kuai Liang

EDIT: << New Topic merged into existing topic of same nature >>

hello i was searching the wiki and there's no news sayings that he is dead so im asking is he dead ?

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HeroBrineR007

http://gta.wikia.com/Carl_Johnson

 

Full name: Carl Johnson

Also known as: CJ Busta Romeo Playboy Pig

Status: Alive

Gender: Male

Date of birth: 1968

Place of birth: Los Santos, San Andreas

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