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FoxtrotZulu

What happened to Carl Johnson, did he get killed?

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SMACKED!

he was killed by the illuminati

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Quinn the edgelord gem

No he's not dead Rockstar confirmed that he was still alive and the graffiti was for fun

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lil weasel

No he's not dead Rockstar confirmed that he was still alive and the graffiti was for fun

When and Where? A link would be nice.

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Honker1944

CJ has an entire GSF behind him, including the strong alliance with those who will readily come to aid him. There's nothing to threaten him in SA. By the end of the story, CJ was a lot more powerful ( even more than pussy Salvatore ) and established strong bases of operations across SA, including the GSF as the dominant gang in LS.

CJ isn't the only one who had their lives threatened by Salvatore which was all because of his paranoia.

Oh and the whole "Toni killing CJ" is also completely implausible since there's no mention of Toni ever venturing outside LC. Even if he did at some point, there's no way Toni could escape SA unharmed and alive after killing a powerful man like CJ with so many strong men around him to protect.

Yeah you only forget that noone in gta universe is enought protected. You forgot the fate of Johnny and Vic? Also Leones aren't as dumb to make a shootaut with CJ but there is another easiest way.

Toni plant bomb under Carl Fletzer when Johnson foes to speak with Woozie. After he get back Toni called him. "Whose speaking"

"Mister Salvatore sends his regards" Toni replied and press the detonator. A big explosion changed car to piece of hot steel but Cipriani doesn't turn back. He choose his way and that was only beggining.

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MrPeteyMax

CJ, Sweet, and everyone in San Andreas fell into a huge worm hole and time and space totally forgot they existed.

 

According to R* anyways.

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hozupindahows00s

CJ can never get killed. He's the greatest protagonist of all time.

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hozupindahows00s

 

It's all speculation, imaginations. Never was confirmed

EXACTLY, what Rockstar, Dan Hauser said they like to to see on the various forums.

That is why Rockstar story writers left such large holes in the story, so Fans can fill in the Details from their imaginations.

 

Yeah. CJ can't be killed by anyone. Look at all the crazy sh*t he did in the story. CJ is God.

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PhillBellic

No. He simply Respawned at the Hospital. ;)

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FaMeZ_FRoST

Lol cj didn't die he went out for hiding and where did you get the " he got abducted " thing from that's stupid XD one more thing there is easter eggs in GTA 5 saying CJ is in the game so he may still be alive. Ima be pissed if he is dead he was the best character, well along with the GTA 5 characters

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Osho

No reason to get killed. CJ made a shift towards a more legitimate business life that to think about getting into any serious troubles arising from a crime life, which may put his life in danger and constant risk seems almost implausible.

CJ is having a fantastic, successful life and the only goal left in his life is to transform the lives of all the people who supported him, waiting for a chance to put their life of crime behind, after what was continuously happening to them under Tenpenny, faction killings and drugs, which was put to an end because of CJs efforts'.

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NoobDude-

I read somewhere that the next installment of GTA would be having a brief cameo of CJ.

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universetwisters

It's funny going through the replies and seeing stuff like NO WAY CJ COULDA GOTTEN KILLED DA GROVE IS WAY TOO POWERFUL AND DA LEONES ARE WAY TOO WEEK when you have to factor in:

 

A) CJ possibly led a pretty public life after the events of SA, what with being a big rapper's manager, casino owner, etc. so it isn't like it would've been too hard to go after him, much like how he went after Madd Dogg's original manager.

 

B) Of course Sal left Las Venturas after the casino heist, but to say he merely forgot about CJ is a silly thing to say. There's literally nothing to imply that CJ wasn't the guy Toni was sent to kill. There's nothing to confirm it either, but considering the threat Sal left him and the timeframe of events, it's entirely possible that Sal had Toni kill CJ and lay low for a number of years from the GSF, Woozie's Triafs, etc. before it was safe to go back to Liberty City, thus starting LCS.

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Osho

There's literally nothing to imply that CJ wasn't the guy Toni was sent to kill.

When you factor in the fact that the heist mission is not required to complete the storyline, the possibility of 'B) Toni killing CJ' is - gone.

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universetwisters

 

There's literally nothing to imply that CJ wasn't the guy Toni was sent to kill.

When you factor in the fact that the heist mission is not required to complete the storyline, the possibility of 'B) Toni killing CJ' is - gone.

 

 

You don't need to buy the boatyard to beat Vice City, yet The Truth still told CJ that the mob bought it, and it had to have been the Vercetti mob because what other mobs would there have been in Vice City?

 

Even though it's not needed to complete the storyline, I'm sure it's still canon to go with how Rockstar envisioned it.

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Osho

You don't need to buy the boatyard to beat Vice City, yet The Truth still told CJ that the mob bought it

How can direct references to two living characters in-game means that we can interpret CJ is now dead? :lol:

You seem to be confused. Your example only shows that Boatyard was sold to Tommy. That's not a matter of speculation, dude. You don't need any "direct reference" from The Truth to prove that, because there's an entire Boatyard missiondedicated in-game for the players to understand. San Andreas makes a point of reference to them as returning characters. That's a different thing altogether to what I'm implying.

Toni was not mentioned anywhere in San Andreas for us to directly link him with CJ, nor the game LCS makes any "direct reference" of any sort to San Andreas that makes option B) "canon" to the storyline.

 

You failed to present a "point of reference" that links Toni with CJ - regardless of the heist mission - for us to NOT speculate!

 

I'm not saying that Rockstar could not have envisioned a "possibility" of CJ being killed by Toni.

But your Boatyard example is so far from making sense to link with CJ being killed by Toni as a SOURCE to prove that canon to the storyline. Its still a matter of speculation, and not a proof to call it canon.

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universetwisters

I don't think you're getting my point. You're saying that just because you don't need to do X to complete the story, it isn't canon. I'm saying just because you don't need to do X to complete the story, it's still canon.

 

Regardless of who Toni went to kill, I'm quite confident that it would have been CJ considering the history between Sal & CJ. The casino heist and CJ betraying Sal could've made him into the paranoid wreck he was in III. Sal tried to kill Claude after he worked for him, so who's saying Sal wouldn't have done the same with CJ? The heist is canon, CJ being killed by Toni is not, but I'm confident that CJ would've been the target.

 

>using smilies in a debate

 

Okay

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Journey_95

We don't know for sure but in my opinion he was killed by Toni. It doesn't matter how powerful CJ was, you can always get killed if you are in the life, see Victor Vance who was at his peak at the beginning of VC.

 

It makes for a better story if CJ suffers some consequences. You can't have it all, the hood, all the businesses, f*ck over a lot of people and yet somehow be invisible.

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Am Shaegar

.. f*ck over a lot of people and yet somehow be invisible.

It happened in IV, Niko survived in the end, and passing life as normally as before getting off the boat, despite a long list of crimes and murders committed, and without any of his own gangs or organizations to protect him. He was still driving a taxi and didn't end up becoming a powerful name across an entire state having a strong foothold and reach in San Andreas. So, it's quite possible. There are examples of realife gangsters or criminals turning to white collar businesses and politics managing to survive long over any threats from their rivals.

 

CJ didn't engage in any direct confrontation, making too many enemies, or backstabbing people later.

What happened with Salvatore was purely a business rivalry, not personal. Not a reason strong enough to risk sending someone like Toni, the most trusted Hitman to enter into another city, and kill a powerful man like CJ for no real gain. Killing CJ wouldn't make Salvatore automatically own LV, or expand his foothold into the city, since The Triads have a huge, successful presence already.

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Journey_95

 

.. f*ck over a lot of people and yet somehow be invisible.

It happened in IV, Niko survived in the end, and passing life as normally as before getting off the boat, despite a long list of crimes and murders committed, and without any of his own gangs or organizations to protect him. He was still driving a taxi and didn't end up becoming a powerful name across an entire state having a strong foothold and reach in San Andreas. So, it's quite possible. There are examples of realife gangsters or criminals turning to white collar businesses and politics managing to survive long over any threats from their rivals.

 

CJ didn't engage in any direct confrontation, making too many enemies, or backstabbing people later.

What happened with Salvatore was purely a business rivalry, not personal. Not a reason strong enough to risk sending someone like Toni, the most trusted Hitman to enter into another city, and kill a powerful man like CJ for no real gain. Killing CJ wouldn't make Salvatore automatically own LV, or expand his foothold into the city, since The Triads have a huge, successful presence already.

 

GTA IV has nothing to do with this..why are you so obsessed with it Osho?

 

Anyway Niko loses someone very important at the end (either Kate or Roman) so thats already plenty of consequences. CJ didn't even have to make a choice between the hood and his new lifestyle. He just got everything handed to him, a cheesy disney esque happy ending.

 

Of course it was personal. He abused Salvatore's trust and f*cked him over hard. Any mob boss with some respect would go after the guy who did it. Its not like people like Sal would be like "it was just business, I totally understand". And sending his best man to do the job is smart as well. The only problem would be the triads, thats why Toni went into hiding. Salvatore doesn't care about some street gang or that CJ was a manager and owned a garage..

 

But I know from this thread that you would rather retain your SA happy ending which is fine of course, there is no 100% proof for the CJ was killed theory but its a valid interpretation. Accept that.

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Am Shaegar

You need to read my name properly. I am not that Osho member you constantly keep throwing around his / her name for whatever reason.

 

Coming to the topic, Niko didn't have to make a lot of those choices. They are the consequences of his own mistakes that kept on piling up right till the end. Anyways, that has no direct connection to what I am talking here.

CJ ended up being stronger and powerful than before returning to LS in the beginning. Whether cheesy disney esque happy ending, or whatever you like to call, but the main point is, I don't think Salvatore has anything to gain by sending a Hitman for assassinating someone as powerful as CJ who isn't a serious threat to his businesses in LC to begin with. Other than maybe to simply satisfy his own ego.

Even then there's no clear evidence of him sending Toni to LV or SA. It's not a "valid" interpretation, just your own "personal interpretation", which is fine and I have no issues with that.

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Yinepi

Johnson? He joined the witness protection after killing Toreno while being drunk, and became a slipper-wearing mother f*cka stuck in a 32-bit low-poly '90s gangster power fantasy.

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Jack Lupino

No CJ aint dead.He will live in our heart forever and he will always be a busta!

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Journey_95

You need to read my name properly. I am not that Osho member you constantly keep throwing around his / her name for whatever reason.

 

Coming to the topic, Niko didn't have to make a lot of those choices. They are the consequences of his own mistakes that kept on piling up right till the end. Anyways, that has no direct connection to what I am talking here.

CJ ended up being stronger and powerful than before returning to LS in the beginning. Whether cheesy disney esque happy ending, or whatever you like to call, but the main point is, I don't think Salvatore has anything to gain by sending a Hitman for assassinating someone as powerful as CJ who isn't a serious threat to his businesses in LC to begin with. Other than maybe to simply satisfy his own ego.

Even then there's no clear evidence of him sending Toni to LV or SA. It's not a "valid" interpretation, just your own "personal interpretation", which is fine and I have no issues with that.

Yeah you are..you write about the same bs in the exact same way. One just has to compare to of your posts and it becomes clear. I know you were banned so you created another account & thats fine. Stop trying to fool people.

 

Salvatore cares about what he already did, not what he might do. He already f*cked him over and abused his trust. Thats more than enough for a ruthless mob boss to send people after him, they are all about satisfying their ego..

 

CJ getting killed by Toni would be a consequence of his own mistake as well. He f*cked with the mob for no reason.

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Am Shaegar

Yeah you are..you write about the same bs in the exact same way.

No. I am not.

And, what same bullsh*t? You keep complaining on the same lines about the jetpack, the story, and what not, and nobody tells you to stop then who are you to tell me about what should I write?

Do you own any licenses to IV that I need your permission? At least, I don't go to IV/V section to sh*t on the games like you do, and nobody calls your opinions as bullsh*t. So, stop acting like a hypocrite!!!

 

Not interested in having any talks with trolls like you, and if you continue to get personal, I am going to report your each and every post.

 

@ topic.

 

For me, I don't find any strong reason enough to believe that CJ is dead. Naturally at some point, we all die, but CJ getting killed by some guy called Toni, is very hard to believe, given his stature and strong position in SA. Also, Rockstar has done a good job in 3D era to link the series with returning characters and references, and nowhere it is implied about any such possibility of CJ getting killed by some reason or the other.

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Jesucristo

Is Carl Johnson dead? Because in GTA IV, I saw some graffiti on a wall saying:

 

"Victor - never forget you / always remember you bro", "RIP Claude", "RIP Toni", "remember Tommy - u r still my hero", "Carl I love you RIP everyone miss you", "RIP Vic".

 

Did he get the electric chair for killing that cop or something?

 

It's a way to say that all of them are from other universe and they will never come back to GTA games, because right now we're in HD Universe and CJ and company were from 3D Universe.

 

Greetings 10 years later. Probably you're dead LOL

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Ben the busta

CJ is not dead,you can see in GTA 4 on billboard advertising some kind of clothes so that means he is on high position.I would like from Rockstar to include him in next installment at least mention him .

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Evil empire

CJ will live if Rockstar has any further use of him and die in the opposite situation.

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