Department of Children and Families hurts children

[Sam998]

Hello. I have a bit of a history with DCF, and I want to see if anyone agrees with me or just thinks I'm an idiot.

 

When I was 4 my parents got divorced. DCF butted there rotten head into the mix and made things more complicated and painful than they needed to be.

 

When I was 14 my dad was arrested, on trumped up charges, for hurting my step mom. DCF went so far to try and get my word on the incident, almost making me miss school just because I was there the night it allegedly happened. They thought I would like to watch my dad get arrested and then be harrased about it by their vile organisation? Rotten f*cks

 

So that's my history with DCF. I'm wondering if my opinion is frowned upon, or if I'm not the only one thinking this. Thanks.

[Josh]

If you are talking about the Department for Children, Schools and Families in the UK, then that doesn't exist anymore.

 

And your father hurt your sep-mother? Sounds like he deserved to get arrested.

[sivispacem]

If you are talking about the Department for Children, Schools and Families in the UK, then that doesn't exist anymore.

 

And your father hurt your sep-mother? Sounds like he deserved to get arrested.

Naa, he's a septic.

With regards to the DFCF trying to push you into giving information regarding what had happened that night, it may have equally been the case that the police were pressuring them to extract information from you. What would you have rather experienced?

[Mike Tequeli]

I watched some features on how corrupt Social Services is in the US. It's kind of disturbing that they can take your kids away on such a flimsy basis.

[Sam998]

I'm not talking about whatever the UKs version is. DCF is kind of like Child Services but in Connecticut.. And apperently Florida? which is kind of weird.

[Struff Bunstridge]

I'm not talking about whatever the UKs version is.

Don't be so dismissive - I guarantee neither I nor anybody else is going to research a government body that operates only in Connecticut, and possibly also Florida, enough to talk specifics with you on this. Why not open it up a little?

 

On topic, so your Dad was arrested on allegations of domestic abuse, and as a 14 year old, you were asked about it? Doesn't sound very vile to me - you were both old enough to be able to offer an account of what happened, and also young enough that there is a need to ensure you have a safe living environment. I think it's responsible that they checked up on you - too many domestic abuse victims slip through the net.

 

If the charges were as trumped up as you say, I'd have jumped at the opportunity to try and exonerate my father by telling them what really happened.

[Mafia Drive Gunner]

Child and family services all over the world try to protect people from domestic violence and other forms of abuse that go on everyday in a normal (well, as close to normal) setting.

 

You said the DCF made the situation worse by butting in on your parents divorce proceedings, but I don't think divorce proceedings can get any more painful then they normally are. The only reason they are there is to make sure things don't get ugly, which can happen very quickly. And how on earth would you have had a real grasp on what was going on anyways when you were only 4 years old.

 

You don't seem very appreciative of what Family services try to do for people.

[Sam998]

 

I'm not talking about whatever the UKs version is.

Don't be so dismissive - I guarantee neither I nor anybody else is going to research a government body that operates only in Connecticut, and possibly also Florida, enough to talk specifics with you on this. Why not open it up a little?

 

On topic, so your Dad was arrested on allegations of domestic abuse, and as a 14 year old, you were asked about it? Doesn't sound very vile to me - you were both old enough to be able to offer an account of what happened, and also young enough that there is a need to ensure you have a safe living environment. I think it's responsible that they checked up on you - too many domestic abuse victims slip through the net.

 

If the charges were as trumped up as you say, I'd have jumped at the opportunity to try and exonerate my father by telling them what really happened.

Asking someone to help lock up there on family member is abhorrent. I don't care if he was guilty or innocent. The pain a domestic abuse victim is no where near as painful as that of a convict. No reason to add more pain to a situation.

 

If I was taken out of my parents house suicide wouldn't just have been an option. It would've been the only option. From this perspective they would've been (indirectly) responsible for a death because they wanted "justice", which by their standards is punishing peoples whos lives are already terrible.

 

[QOUTE]Child and family services all over the world try to protect people from domestic violence and other forms of abuse that go on everyday in a normal (well, as close to normal) setting.

 

You said the DCF made the situation worse by butting in on your parents divorce proceedings, but I don't think divorce proceedings can get any more painful then they normally are. The only reason they are there is to make sure things don't get ugly, which can happen very quickly. And how on earth would you have had a real grasp on what was going on anyways when you were only 4 years old.

 

You don't seem very appreciative of what Family services try to do for people.[/QOUTE]

 

Bull. sh*t.

 

Divorces actually aren't bad. That's a misconception popularised by people who probably don't have divorced parents. The most painful part is probably the one where your dad is forced into a small apartment in a sh*t neighborhood while your mom keeps the three story quasi mansion. My first memories are because of DCF. Also I've heard all possible sides of the story. My opinions are educated.

 

No, I'm not. In a "perfect world" they would be thrown in jail and separated from their families.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2011 by Sam998

[Josh]

Asking someone to help lock up there on family member is abhorrent. I don't care if he was guilty or innocent. The pain a domestic abuse victim is no where near as painful as that of a convict. No reason to add more pain to a situation.

No it really isn't. You know what I think, I think that your dad deserved what he got. And it's not abhorrent, it's standard procedure in any domestic violence case to make sure that all of the details are correct.

[boxmonster]

Your mom lived in a three story quasi mansion? Fancy. Also your points make no sense; you told us half a story and expected us to be on your side. So far I just see you supporting domestic abuse.

[Sam998]

Your mom lived in a three story quasi mansion? Fancy. Also your points make no sense; you told us half a story and expected us to be on your side. So far I just see you supporting domestic abuse.

 

Josh how do you know what my dad got? For all you know he's getting out april and has only been there since January. Who knows

I kinda count a basement as a story...he didnt have one

 

Maybe quasi mansion is a bit extreme but you get the idea.

 

 

[blitz]

Sam, wait, how old are you?

[Adler]

This sounds familiar...

 

It is kind of annoying how these agencies do step into other people's business; however, you said your step-mom made the call in the other topic, right? DCF and the authorities wouldn't get involved unless they had probable cause, and were just doing their jobs when they did intervene.

[creat3d22]

Child and family services all over the world try to protect people from domestic violence and other forms of abuse that go on everyday in a normal (well, as close to normal) setting.

 

You said the DCF made the situation worse by butting in on your parents divorce proceedings, but I don't think divorce proceedings can get any more painful then they normally are. The only reason they are there is to make sure things don't get ugly, which can happen very quickly. And how on earth would you have had a real grasp on what was going on anyways when you were only 4 years old.

 

You don't seem very appreciative of what Family services try to do for people.

And you seem completely ignorant of how they actually operate. Do some digging around on America's CPS. The government doesn't give a sh*t about you nor your troubles, no matter how strongly you want to believe it. If CPS was there for the wellbeing of children, they wouldn't take away kids from perfectly fine homes to give them right away to f*cking pedophiles.

[Adler]

If CPS was there for the wellbeing of children, they wouldn't take away kids from perfectly fine homes to give them right away to f*cking pedophiles.

I have to ask, can you name one instance of such?

[Josh]

 

And you seem completely ignorant of how they actually operate. Do some digging around on America's CPS. The government doesn't give a sh*t about you nor your troubles, no matter how strongly you want to believe it. If CPS was there for the wellbeing of children, they wouldn't take away kids from perfectly fine homes to give them right away to f*cking pedophiles.

If the government didn't give a sh*t then would they even have a service like that. That's the whole reason why governments impose tactics, so that they can solve social problems through sanctions or investment. You've voted them in in the hope that they would protect your interests and those of the people closest to you and they will do that generally because it is their job. And would I call a home where Daddy is beating Mommy and Mommy doesn't have the courage to leave a fine home? I think that the beaten party will disagree with that.

 

And of course, the government is kidnapping kids and forcing them to live with perverted weirdos. Do you have any idea of the paperwork you have to get through in order to adopt a child legally?

[Sam998]

 

This sounds familiar...

 

It is kind of annoying how these agencies do step into other people's business; however, you said your step-mom made the call in the other topic, right? DCF and the authorities wouldn't get involved unless they had probable cause, and were just doing their jobs when they did intervene.

I had forgotten about this topic, it seems like I posted it so long ago.

 

My step mom didn't call anyone, a neighbor did.

 

Ideally DCF and the cops wouldn't get involved without probable cause, but in reality they do.

 

@blitz I'm 15

[sivispacem]

wouldn't get involved without probable cause, but in reality they do.

So physical assault isn't probable cause? Hell, there was even a second witness.

Christ, I can't believe your still holding this same idiotic attitude.

[Sam998]

wouldn't get involved without probable cause, but in reality they do.

So physical assault isn't probable cause? Hell, there was even a second witness.

Christ, I can't believe your still holding this same idiotic attitude.

No one ever saw a physical assault.

 

I can't believe you still hold the same idiotic assuming attitude.

[*MURDOC*]

Okay, I'm trying to make sense of this.

 

Your dad did not hurt your step-mom?

 

Where did the abuse charges come from?

 

What did you step-mom say when they questioned her?

 

 

 

 

Just trying to fill in the blanks.

 

 

[Sam998]

Okay, I'm trying to make sense of this.

 

Your dad did not hurt your step-mom?

 

Where did the abuse charges come from?

 

What did you step-mom say when they questioned her?

 

 

 

 

Just trying to fill in the blanks.

1. My Dad may have abused my step mom but the only "proof" they have is bruises.

2. If a women has bruises, is married, and blames them on her husband the charges are basically inevitable.

3. I don't know, she told me to go to a different room.

[*MURDOC*]

So you're saying your step-mom lied about the abuse, and the bruises were from something else?

[Sam998]

So you're saying your step-mom lied about the abuse, and the bruises were from something else?

I'm saying my step mom may have lied about the abuse, and people get bruises all the time. it means nothing.

[*MURDOC*]

Well, you have nothing that proves otherwise, so it could go either way.

 

 

It was basically her word against his, and she had bruises to back up her claim, while he had nothing to back up his.

 

 

I understand that bruises aren't necessarily 100% "proof", but it kind of gives her a bit more credibility.

 

Also, there are people who are thoroughly trained to know the differences between bruises caused by abuse, and those caused by other things.

Edited May 27, 2011 by *MURDOC*

[Sam998]

Well, you have nothing that proves otherwise, so it could go either way.

 

 

It was basically her word against his, and she had bruises to back up her claim, while he had nothing to back up his.

 

 

I understand that bruises aren't necessarily 100% "proof", but it kind of gives her a bit more credibility.

I actually don't think it does, because she said he hurt her neck yet the bruises where only on her arms.

 

Also, if it's someones word against someone else's why should one of them be put in jail for 5 months? (he can't pay bail)

 

Innocent until proven guilty

[*MURDOC*]

It's quite obvious that you're never going to listen to anything we have to say, because of your blatant bias, so I guess I'm done, there's not much use in talking about it anymore, you're pissed that your dad got arrested, and it clouds any other thoughts in your head that aren't "child services is a bunch of scumbags", which is silly since you don't consider any of the other large amounts of people who those "scumbags" have saved from terrible situations.

[Sam998]

It's quite obvious that you're never going to listen to anything we have to say, because of your blatant bias, so I guess I'm done, there's not much use in talking about it anymore, you're pissed that your dad got arrested, and it clouds any other thoughts in your head that aren't "child services is a bunch of scumbags", which is silly since you don't consider any of the other large amounts of people who those "scumbags" have saved from terrible situations.

Simply disagreeing with your points isn't not listening to them. I know what you said, we just have a difference of opinion. If you can't handle that why are you in the Debates and Discussion section?