stinomontana Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 so, ive been looking for a new pc, since my current rig is a little outdated (pentium 4 3.06ghz) im a big noob when it comes to pc's so i need some advise + i dont have a big budget, and i want my pc to be able to play gta4 or silent hunter 5 smooth http://www.vandenborre.be/WEB/NL/Desktop-c....qaS.9nNednMC8k http://www.vandenborre.be/WEB/NL/Desktop-c....qaS.9nNedoPC8k http://www.vandenborre.be/WEB/NL/Desktop-c....qaS.9nPitnKC8k would these be any good? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Do not buy pre-built PC, they are very sh*tty for their price and also half of the components is not mentioned at all, so you don't really know what you're buying. It's much better to buy components separately - that way you get the best deal and also you know exactly what you're buying. I'd suggest something like that: 124,90 € AMD Phenom II X4 955 - 3,2 GHz, cache L3 6 MB http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/4291725/art/a...55-3-2-ghz.html 179,00 € SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 6870 - 1 GB GDDR5 - PCI-Express 2.1 (11179-00-40R) http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/8224042/art/s...1-gb-gddr5.html 69,90 € ASUS M4A77T/USB3 - Socket AM3 http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/5657710/art/a...ket-am3-ch.html 37,90 € Samsung SpinPoint F3 Desktop Class HD502HJ http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/3698346/art/s...sktop-clas.html 49,90 € CRUCIAL PC-geheugen Ballistix 2 x 2 GB DDR3-1333 http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/9009722/art/c...listix-2-x.html 36,90 € Antec VP-450P-EC 450 W http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/8868173/art/a...w-pc-voedi.html 15,90 € LG GH22NS50 22x SATA http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/3493866/art/l...ta-interna.html 32,90 € Cooler Master Elite 310 http://www.pixmania.be/be/nl/3484031/art/c...emkast-bla.html = 547,30 € Here you have a decent four core CPU, very fast graphics card, proper motherboard, fast 500GB hard drive, 4GBs of RAM, very good power supply, DVD recorder and great computer case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinomontana Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 ok thanks for the info, is it hard to install al those components? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 No, in fact it's quite easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I posted htis yesterday but the post didn't come through, i would strongly suggest looking at some video tutorials before you try putting a computer together, or going to your local PC shop and ask them how much they would charge to put the pieces together for you. By the way a 450w PSU ain't gonna cut it, your going to need a 600w power supply or higher to be on the safe side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) By the way a 450w PSU ain't gonna cut it, your going to need a 600w power supply or higher to be on the safe side. rotfl. Post some proof please, because from what I know this CPU "consumes" 125W, and this GPU consumes 163W (under full load, which cannot typically be reached). The rest of the PC is not going to need more than 20-30W. Overall this PC goes way below the limit of this PSU. Edited March 21, 2011 by yojo2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I cannot view those pages my internet cuts out every-time, go with 450w then, but i would rather be safe than sorry and have a busted computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA3Freak-2001 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 As long as its a good quality 450w PSU it should be alright, of course I'd maybe go a 500w to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentKiller Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 By the way a 450w PSU ain't gonna cut it, your going to need a 600w power supply or higher to be on the safe side. I also share this opinion. My computer came with a 475W PSU and it certainly didn't cut it, despite the manufacturer saying that everything would run fine with it. Also, a better PSU will leave plenty of room for upgrades, should your budget allow for it in the future. Today I replaced the stock PSU with a new one, as I'm also upgrading my video card and adding more components over the coming months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I also share this opinion. My computer came with a 475W PSU and it certainly didn't cut it, I assume you bought pre-built PC, right? And this is why you shouldn't, because 99% of pre-built PCs have sh*tty PSUs and that's the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinomontana Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Ok, thanks for the info guys, ill drop by a pc shop and ask them if they can put together a rig for me. i dont think its gonna work if i have to put it together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentKiller Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I assume you bought pre-built PC, right?And this is why you shouldn't, because 99% of pre-built PCs have sh*tty PSUs and that's the effect. Yeah, but this PC ain't bad at all. It was just a stupid design decision from Dell that prevented the stock GTX 260 card from working properly. A new Cooler Master PSU and a GTX 570 card, and the PC is as good as new and ready to kick major ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yeah, but this PC ain't bad at all. It was just a stupid design decision from Dell that prevented the stock GTX 260 card from working properly. A new Cooler Master PSU and a GTX 570 card, and the PC is as good as new and ready to kick major ass. Go for HP in the future. From what I've seen Dell uses a special connector on some models for front panel, so if you want to upgrade the motherboard, you have to upgrade the case too. HP seems to under-rate their PSUs. I ran an AMD Athlon x2, three HDDs, two ODDs, and an 8800GTX on the Bestec 250w PSU that came in my Compaq. 8/ Also had a PCI S3 graphics card, but that was so old it didn't really draw much power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yeah, but this PC ain't bad at all. It was just a stupid design decision from Dell that prevented the stock GTX 260 card from working properly. A new Cooler Master PSU and a GTX 570 card, and the PC is as good as new and ready to kick major ass. Go for HP in the future. From what I've seen Dell uses a special connector on some models for front panel, so if you want to upgrade the motherboard, you have to upgrade the case too. HP seems to under-rate their PSUs. I ran an AMD Athlon x2, three HDDs, two ODDs, and an 8800GTX on the Bestec 250w PSU that came in my Compaq. 8/ Also had a PCI S3 graphics card, but that was so old it didn't really draw much power. Here comes the HP salesman again. I am glad you will go to the pc store, it is a much better option than buying a pre-built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Here comes the HP salesman again. They use quality hardware and make good products. If you don't like that, then what the f*ck are you doing in the section about PCs? My god, I get bashed for supporting someone who uses the highest quality parts they can get to build affordable pre-built systems all the way from tablets to servers, but nobody gets bashed for supporting Macs? No, I get bashed for bashing Macs. Explain that sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn 7 five 11 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Here comes the HP salesman again. They use quality hardware and make good products. If you don't like that, then what the f*ck are you doing in the section about PCs? My god, I get bashed for supporting someone who uses the highest quality parts they can get to build affordable pre-built systems all the way from tablets to servers, but nobody gets bashed for supporting Macs? No, I get bashed for bashing Macs. Explain that sh*t. Well i wasn't bashing you, and it is debatable on what the best parts are, is AMD better than Intel? it all depends on how much you pay, if you mean "HP is the best value for money" then i understand you, but you cannot just say they use the best parts because it depends on how much money you spend, more money you spend generally the parts are better. You get bashed for bashing macs because you are bashing, its easy to say "Macs are overpriced for what they are IMO" you say things completely out of context, like when someone was talking about building a PC and mentioned that he had a mac, and you just blurted out "how sh*tty macs are, how apple is a bullsh*t company, sell your mac and build a better pc blah blah blah" That has nothing to do with the topic, its like if i said "HP is sh*t sh*t sh*t" when you suggest buying one, well i don't. When people bash you about promoting HP all the time they are not actually bashing the company which is the difference, maybe when you tell people to buy HP you should try this. "I recommend HP since i have always had good experience with them" not "Buy HP mac is sh*t, HP is the best" There you go i attempted to explain to you why people bash you. Also you asking me why i am in the pc section because i mention how you always promote HP in a forced manner does not mean i don't like the company, you jumped to conclusions there pal. Lets stop this, still have a problem which i am certain you do since you have trouble accepting other peoples opinion PM me and we will sort it out. Warning i know kung fu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'm just going to make one last off topic post here just to clarify to everyone. Get this all settled to avoid anything else in the future. I do accept other people's opinions. But Mac vs PC is not an opinion. Apple using false claims and bullsh*t to market ALL of their products. They get the hardware just as cheap as anyone else, but they don't have to pay for licensing costs for the OS, or worry about mark-up from other stores when you're buying through an Apple Store. So even selling products at the same price as everyone else, they would still make tons more profit than others, but they then charge so much more for no reason other than to get rich. ALL of the claims of higher security and stability are flat-out lies. This is one of very few companies that I actually "dislike." So that's it on why I don't like Apple. If you disagree with ANY of it, don't post here, just PM me and I will explain more in-depth with sources. Now for HP, they make a wide range of systems. From cheap laptops to servers. If you go out and buy the cheapest desktop you can find, you'll run into problems eventually no matter what brand it is. So that's why I like to compare the higher-end stuff. When it comes down to it, HP and Dell are really the only ones that decent quality mid to high range systems. I prefer HP. They've got better warrranties, and much better customer support than any company I've ever seen. They also make some of the best monitors you can buy. (Look up the dream color.) Now that's opinion, so there's really nothing that anyone should have to say about it. And when I warn people not to buy Apple products, it's because I want them to see the Apple products for what they are, not what Apple makes them out to be. I'd like for everyone to be able to make informed buying decisions. If people ask for advice I will give it to them. No one on this forum has the right to tell me to not help people make informed decisions. And I don't do anything in a forced manner, especially not promote HP. I simple mentioned that it's easier to upgrade HPs than some Dells. The only thing I do even close to forcibly is urge people to understand the TRUE differences in Apple products vs competitors. So there. I'm done now. Like I said before PM if ANYONE has anything to say about my post. There is more than enough off-topicness going on here already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'm just going to make one last off topic post here just to clarify to everyone. Followed by a massive post. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Joking aside and back to the PSU issue, I thought all (or almost all) of the major full-system companies used unbranded power supplies bought wholesale, most likely from the same company or group of companies, to power their systems? The Dell XPS 720something I dismantled a while back certainly did, 1000w dell-badged PSU FTL- it had gone pop after, ohhh, about 100 hours total use (albeit spread over about 3 years). In the grand scheme of things, splashing out all of £60-odd for a half-decent PSU is no great expenditure for the prospect of better system stability and possible future-proofing (as well as the added bonus of most decent brand PSUs now coming with 5+ year warranties). AMD Ryzen 5900X (4.65GHz All-Core PBO2) | Gigabye X570S Pro | 32GB G-Skill Trident Z RGB 3600MHz CL16 EK-Quantum Reflection D5 | XSPC D5 PWM | TechN/Heatkiller Blocks | HardwareLabs GTS & GTX 360 Radiators Corsair AX750 | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic XL | EVGA GeForce RTX2080 XC @2055MHz | Sabrant Rocket Plus 1TB Sabrant Rocket 2TB | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB | 2x ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q | Q Acoustics 2010i | Sabaj A4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PresidentKiller Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Well, the Dell I got is a great system, but I agree the PSU and their customer service are crap. I'm definitely building my next PC, but this one will last me at least for another couple of years. About HP, I used to like them, back when Compaq and them were different companies. After they merged, I ran for the hills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinomontana Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 quick question, woulnd it be cheaper if i used my current pc to build up to a better one? this may sound like a stupid question, but again i dont know sh*t about pc's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anus Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Here comes the HP salesman again. They use quality hardware and make good products. If you don't like that, then what the f*ck are you doing in the section about PCs? My god, I get bashed for supporting someone who uses the highest quality parts they can get to build affordable pre-built systems all the way from tablets to servers, but nobody gets bashed for supporting Macs? No, I get bashed for bashing Macs. Explain that sh*t. Bestec PSU review at Jonnyguru. HP by no means uses top tier components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Bestec PSU review at Jonnyguru. HP by no means uses top tier components. Regardless, it still ran all those components and even at five years old was putting out quite a bit more power than it says it can, hinting towards a PSU that under rated for safety and stability, rather than over rated for sales. This seems to be a controlled unpredictable problem with this specific PSU which is probably why HP stopped using it even low-power systems. (was only available in the cheap systems anyways, see my last post.) Most, if not all newer HP systems I've seen have had Delta Electronics PSUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoječ Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 quick question, woulnd it be cheaper if i used my current pc to build up to a better one? this may sound like a stupid question, but again i dont know sh*t about pc's I don't know what PC do you have now, but it's most likely that the only old parts you can use are the case, HDD and ODD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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