sivispacem Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 £1.34 per litre petrol and £1.40 a litre of diesel its funny how Americans moan like mad about there fuel prices going up but really its nothing, it only seems high because there cars are fuel guzzling pieces of sh*t. I've seen it as low as £1.31/£1.35 respectively. Also, its comparatively so high here because we have about 70% fuel duty. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061376410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 £1.34 per litre petrol and £1.40 a litre of diesel its funny how Americans moan like mad about there fuel prices going up but really its nothing, it only seems high because there cars are fuel guzzling pieces of sh*t. I've seen it as low as £1.31/£1.35 respectively. Also, its comparatively so high here because we have about 70% fuel duty. thats pretty cheap i would love to pay that, ive seen diesel at 1.37 in Birmingham but the further out of the cities the more expensive it is and i live in the country. ive heard its pretty cheap around cities near docks. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061376417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 its funny how Americans moan like mad about there fuel prices going up but really its nothing, it only seems high because there cars are fuel guzzling pieces of sh*t. No, we whine because we don't like the idea of paying more for gas so some asshole in the middle east can buy another island and gold plated car. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061376427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield 2 Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 €1.475 per litre of diesel / €1.579 per litre of petrol. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061376635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlover325 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 its funny how Americans moan like mad about there fuel prices going up but really its nothing, it only seems high because there cars are fuel guzzling pieces of sh*t. I'd much rather have my fuel-thirsty SUV than some little piece of econo-junk. I'll always prefer space, comfort and power over economy. There's nothing worse than being stuffed into a sardine can fitted with a sewing machine motor. My S10 (may it RIP ) is as small as I'm willing to go. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061376682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield 2 Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 its funny how Americans moan like mad about there fuel prices going up but really its nothing, it only seems high because there cars are fuel guzzling pieces of sh*t. I'd much rather have my fuel-thirsty SUV than some little piece of econo-junk. I'll always prefer space, comfort and power over economy. There's nothing worse than being stuffed into a sardine can fitted with a sewing machine motor. My S10 (may it RIP ) is as small as I'm willing to go. I don't really understand the point of driving a truck as a normal car. I'd consider a 5-Series E39 quite large and comfortable... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061376797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
epoxi Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Most people drive trucks because of the large amount of space and the high seating position (hence the recent plague of crossovers where car manufacturers have tried to replicate the SUV view with a car chassis). They are more convenient to transport things and have historically been safer. In countries where fuel is cheap enough, the minor extra cost of running the truck is justified by these advantages. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061377033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Most trucks I've been in aren't even that roomy. You have to have a crew cab to get any reasonable kind of space (or a burb/excursion). I've driven XJ's like carlover has and ZJ's and neither were as roomy as my little 5er. Airbags and modern bulky center consoles eat up so much space. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061377836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) its funny how Americans moan like mad about there fuel prices going up but really its nothing, it only seems high because there cars are fuel guzzling pieces of sh*t. I'd much rather have my fuel-thirsty SUV than some little piece of econo-junk. I'll always prefer space, comfort and power over economy. There's nothing worse than being stuffed into a sardine can fitted with a sewing machine motor. My S10 (may it RIP ) is as small as I'm willing to go. I don't really understand the point of driving a truck as a normal car. I'd consider a 5-Series E39 quite large and comfortable... yeah you can get an audi a4 or a6 or a bmw 3 or 5 series with a 2 litere diesel engine and its good on fuel, the engine will last and its powerful. or if you want a 4 x 4 why not get a diesel one? other than that quit whining about fuel if you are driving a 3 litre plus petrol car. Edited June 10, 2012 by nic_23 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 yeah you can get an audi a4 or a6 or a bmw 3 or 5 series with a 2 litere diesel engine and its good on fuel, the engine will last and its powerful. or if you want a 4 x 4 why not get a diesel one? other than that quit whining about fuel if you are driving a 3 litre plus petrol car. ... Getting a Diesel truck and a gas truck can be the difference in spending $2000 or $6000+ They're not as common over here in the States, Diesel cars are all but non existent over here, and there's a good number of people that have never so much as been inside a car with an engine smaller than three liters. It's a different world over here that you obviously fail to even begin to understand. So don't don't try to insult something you don't grasp in the slightest. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) yeah you can get an audi a4 or a6 or a bmw 3 or 5 series with a 2 litere diesel engine and its good on fuel, the engine will last and its powerful. lol. powerful? yeah right. So much for ultimate driving machine when you have some anemic piece of sh*t like that in a bimmer. And usually, diesel is so much more expensive here that it's not really worth it unless you tow/haul, which is why they're primarily only in 3/4+ ton trucks. You're not usually saving any money in a diesel VW or Merc (our primary diesel cars here) unless you convert them to run on WVO. The only factory diesel 4x4's here are 3/4+ ton trucks, H1's/Humvees (which could technically fall into the former category), some rare 70's-90's 1/2 ton Chevys, and older (70's and 80's) 1/4 ton trucks and SUV's that had some really horrible diesels (Nissans/Izuzus). Edited June 10, 2012 by Lurch Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 i see where you guys are coming from, i mean diesel is good but it depends how much more expensive it is, i mean you will get about 50mpg in a 3 litre diesel bmw or audi. and i mean the manufacturers over there could sort it out. i mean we have range rovers here that are diesel, audi 4x4's toyota 4x4's. basically what i am trying to say is you have no right complaining about fuel prices when its not that much at all. i think they have made sh*tty diesels for the americans because over here they have got the diesel engine smooth and it runs like a petrol engine and they are good because we all drive manual here and they are alot easier on the clutch. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 basically what i am trying to say is you have no right complaining about fuel prices when its not that much at all. It doesn't matter if I drive an H1 with 640ci gasser swapped into it, if I'm paying twice as much for gas as I should for the sole purpose of making someone else rich, then I have every right to complain. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 basically what i am trying to say is you have no right complaining about fuel prices when its not that much at all. It doesn't matter if I drive an H1 with 640ci gasser swapped into it, if I'm paying twice as much for gas as I should for the sole purpose of making someone else rich, then I have every right to complain. well thats tough sh*t isnt it, you will have to get used to it because fuel is going up everywhere, you will be in for a real treat when it goes up in the future. by the way what is the price of petrol now? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) i see where you guys are coming from, i mean diesel is good but it depends how much more expensive it is, i mean you will get about 50mpg in a 3 litre diesel bmw or audi. Maybe 50 smaller, inferior imperial mpg but not 50 US mpg. You have to work to get 50 US MPG out of a 2 liter Jetta TDI. Once converted over, our figures don't look quite as bad and yours don't look quite as good. Also, underpowered? My 535i literally makes almost twice the power of a 524td with comparable torque figures and over twice what a 524d of the same year was making (they actually used to sell diesel 5ers here back then). The cost of the two was pretty similar as well. For the same money, I'd rather have the big, powerful 3.5 gasser and go fast. Sure it says I'm only getting 16 mpg but I'm having fun with it. There's really been very little in factory high performance diesels so far (Though BMW and Audi are certainly trying to change that). Edited June 10, 2012 by Lurch Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 You will have to get used to it because fuel is going up everywhere It sort of isn't though. Its dropped quite significantly in the last 6 months. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 There's really been very little in factory high performance diesels so far (Though BMW and Audi are certainly trying to change that). oh yeah i know what you mean, well the 535 diesel is 313 bhp , 0-60 5.5 seconds and 52mpg now if thats not powerful for a diesel i dont know what is. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 basically what i am trying to say is you have no right complaining about fuel prices when its not that much at all. It doesn't matter if I drive an H1 with 640ci gasser swapped into it, if I'm paying twice as much for gas as I should for the sole purpose of making someone else rich, then I have every right to complain. well thats tough sh*t isnt it, you will have to get used to it because fuel is going up everywhere, you will be in for a real treat when it goes up in the future. ... What is the point of that post? I mean really. For one, fuel prices are currently going down over here. And then you basically say that under equal circumstances, everyone except the U.S. has the right to complain about fuel prices. Please f*ck off with your elitist bullsh*t. No one wants to hear it. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 It's certainly not bad but I'm guessing the price of one isn't far off of a twin turbo 550i. Then you have the 550d with 376 hp but that's almost into M5 price territory. As long as diesels command such a premium, there's always going to be a better bang for buck gasser option. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 What is the point of that post? I mean really. For one, fuel prices are currently going down over here. And then you basically say that under equal circumstances, everyone except the U.S. has the right to complain about fuel prices. Please f*ck off with your elitist bullsh*t. No one wants to hear it. its not really elitist bullsh*t its probably what is going to happen. americans always come across as loud mouthed people that think they have the right to everything, anyway you never told me the current petrol prices? It's certainly not bad but I'm guessing the price of one isn't far off of a twin turbo 550i. Then you have the 550d with 376 hp but that's almost into M5 price territory. As long as diesels command such a premium, there's always going to be a better bang for buck gasser option. the 535d is £44,295 and the 550i M Sport is £55,915. i guess its just the way things work in different countries Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Average price of regular 87 octane gas in my city today is $3.15 and some in town as low as $3.04. Add about 12 cents for mid grade 89 and another 12 cents for premium 93. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 its not really elitist bullsh*t its probably what is going to happen. americans always come across as loud mouthed people that think they have the right to everything, anyway you never told me the current petrol prices? "Americans don't have the right to voice their opinions" And you do? You're coming off as a load mouthed elitist prick right now. I already said that gas around here is $3.33 for regular. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic_23 Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 Average price of regular 87 octane gas in my city today is $3.15 and some in town as low as $3.04. Add about 12 cents for mid grade 89 and another 12 cents for premium 93. so that works out at 56p a litre so that's nothing to moan about, it could probably double and its still cheap. but we have higher grades, its 95 normal and 97 super unleaded i think. also i think the diesel is better quality in europe. "Americans don't have the right to voice their opinions" And you do? You're coming off as a load mouthed elitist prick right now. I already said that gas around here is $3.33 for regular. not really im just saying no one needs to complain at 50 or 60p a litre. you guys are just too used to cheap fuel. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted June 10, 2012 Share Posted June 10, 2012 but we have higher grades, its 95 normal and 97 super unleaded i think. also i think the diesel is better quality. If you are going to start an argument based on pedantry, at least check your facts. The European RON and US systems use different benchmarks to measure Octane level so the US 89 is about equivalent to 95. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061378793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield 2 Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 but we have higher grades, its 95 normal and 97 super unleaded i think. also i think the diesel is better quality. If you are going to start an argument based on pedantry, at least check your facts. The European RON and US systems use different benchmarks to measure Octane level so the US 89 is about equivalent to 95. No, the States use AKI. Our 95 Unleaded is between Midgrade and Premium in the US (91 octane), while US Premium is 97 Unleaded here. We have in Europe what's called V-Power Racing - that's 99 octane in the EU and 94 octane in the US respectively. The Regular in the States is 87, but in Europe it would be 91 Unleaded. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061379345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Some places here will sell anywhere from 105 to 113 octane (racing fuel) and it's about $8-9/gallon. No actual set price on it. Very high alcohol content so it smells like moonshine. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061380368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwalker83 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 They might a well bring back the horse and cart. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061380373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield 2 Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Some places here will sell anywhere from 105 to 113 octane (racing fuel) and it's about $8-9/gallon. No actual set price on it. Very high alcohol content so it smells like moonshine. V-Power Racing is $7.50 a gallon, but then, regular unleaded is $6.52. Without all the EU taxes and duties it would be about $4 a gallon in the States I'd say. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061380395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivispacem Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Some places here will sell anywhere from 105 to 113 octane (racing fuel) and it's about $8-9/gallon. No actual set price on it. Very high alcohol content so it smells like moonshine. V-Power Racing is $7.50 a gallon, but then, regular unleaded is $6.52. Without all the EU taxes and duties it would be about $4 a gallon in the States I'd say. There are usually fuel depots at racing circuits that sell ultra-high octane fuels. I know for a fact there's one opposite the main paddock complex at Silverstone that sells 103 octane race fuel but its hideously expensive- £3.05 a litre so about £14 a gallon. The highest octane road fuel I've ever seen is 102 (BP Ultimate 102) but they discontinued that some years ago which was about £2.50 a litre back in 2007-8. I ran it a few times in my Corrado and S4, but never really noticed that much of a difference over Shell V-Power which is my fuel of choice for petrol engined cars. I've seen 117 octane somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember where- may have been Santa Pod raceway. The US AKI system seems to be base on an average between MON and RON ratings- 85 under MON is 90 under AKI and 95 under RON, but of course its not actually that simple in reality as the methods for measuring RON and MON are entirely different. Edited June 11, 2012 by sivispacem Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061381040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWh Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 88p a litre when I started driving... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/470423-prices-of-fuel-going-up-by-30/?do=findComment&comment=1061382413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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