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Mister Pink

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Mister Pink
8 hours ago, Is this The Guy? said:

I was just watching that lol.  I came across it this morning on Netflix

 

”Did Andy ever tell you what he had to do to get the water released?”

 

lol it was so f*cked up yet so good I ended up watching it twice today.

There’s another one on Hulu but I haven’t gotten to watching that one yet.

 

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Haha, yeah, poor Andy. I really felt for him. 

 

It's incredible what some marketing can do. It's also amazing that they blew $27,000,000  and still couldn't throw together a semi-decent festival lol. With the relitive low cost of the acts, they could have made something massive with that kind of funding. You'd have to wonder if Billy McFarland ever thought he would make this a successful festival or if he was just drunk on self-delusion and just enjoyed spending the money and if something came out of it, it was a bonus. 

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Is this The Guy?

I highly doubt he spent anywhere near that amount of money on the festival itself.  I don’t know what he spent on advertisement or influencers but the majority of it probably went to his partying, expensive cars, and private jets trying to keep up the lavish lifestyle he was selling everyone.

 

Dude either had a golden tongue or everyone he was surrounded by, including investors, were complete idiots because I don’t know how he could have gotten as far as he did without paying anyone.

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Hmmm nice bike

Just watched this again. An ABC Primetime special from 2003 about what probably ended up being one of the most-documented looks into the mind and life of a celebrity stalker/obsessive fan (because he videotaped himself for over a year plotting to kill Bjork, including videtaping the construction of a mail bomb that was intended to either kill or severely injure her).

It's really sad how this guy was only 21 and put all his energy into building a bomb instead of doing something else, just because his obsession (and racial hatred against Bjork's then-fiance) consumed him and nobody could help him. Because this was also a few years before 9/11, it's also amazing how he managed to actually get a bomb from his apartment in Florida onto a cargo jet where it made it to a post office in London where it was about to be delivered to Bjork. I think it shows just how vulnerable things like air travel and shipping were before September 11th.

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Big Fat Paulie

Can we discuss documentary mini-series on here?

If so, then Ken Burns is my favorite documentary maker of all time. I was blown away when I saw The Civil War for the first time, and it was my absolute favorite documentary until Ken Burns outdid himself in 2017 with The Vietnam War.

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Mister Pink

Yes, I started The Vietnam War but didn't get to keep up with it. It's on Netflix, so I'll restart it.  I kept meaning to watch The Central Park 5 too. 

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Big Fat Paulie

Prohibition is another great Ken Burns documentary.

 

Another one of his that is also on Netflix is The West, an underrated gem from 1996.

 

Honestly, The West forms a holy trinity of Ken Burns documentaries alongside The Civil War and The Vietnam War.

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ṼirulenⱦEqừinox

Just finished three-part series on the Atlanta Child Murders on Investigation Discovery. While I have seen some other Documents on this case this one was one of the better one by the way they did it breaking it into three parts and do talk about something that other documentaries haven't spoken about that he wasn't responsible for all 28 murders because evidence didn't support it and it was found out later that two of the children were killed by relatives and then in 2014 a Klansman admitted to being responsible for one of the child murders but it was swept under the rug because they didn't want a "race war"

 

I'll see if I can download and upload the full ID Doc and if I can i'll post it here

 

This video isn't the one I watched as I can't link it as you wouldn't be able to watch it unless you're subscribed to Investigation Discovery with your cable company but CNN did a decent one where they also interviewed the suspected killer (He was never charged and convicted of the child killings but only of two adults but was unofficially "convicted") 

 

 

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LazlowsucksiloveslutS

I must have watched about a hundred documentaries on Billy The Kid and other legends of the old west.

 

But BiLLy the Kid is not as interesting as Wild Bill or Doc Holiday or wYatt Earp or the Daltons.

 

Interesting fact: in my town there was this man who was a reincarnation of Wild Bill Hicokck. He had the long hair, flamboyant style in dress, warm look when he was calm and cold stare when angry. I miss him, even if he wasn't such a nie guy, but he brought liveliness o a small town. There will never be anyone like him. It was an honor to have known this guy. Now that I think about it. He truly was one of a kind.

On ‎2‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 2:06 AM, Big Fat Paulie said:

Prohibition is another great Ken Burns documentary.

 

Another one of his that is also on Netflix is The West, an underrated gem from 1996.

 

Honestly, The West forms a holy trinity of Ken Burns documentaries alongside The Civil War and The Vietnam War.

You ever seen 28 days of anarchy? That's f*cking awesome. Not 100 percent sure it was 28 days , could have been 36 or something. Anyway this documentary is about the period of Bonnie and Clyde, Babyface Nelson and others

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On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 6:00 AM, CountdownIIExtinction said:

I must have watched about a hundred documentaries on Billy The Kid and other legends of the old west.

 

But BiLLy the Kid is not as interesting as Wild Bill or Doc Holiday or wYatt Earp or the Daltons.

 

Interesting fact: in my town there was this man who was a reincarnation of Wild Bill Hicokck. He had the long hair, flamboyant style in dress, warm look when he was calm and cold stare when angry. I miss him, even if he wasn't such a nie guy, but he brought liveliness o a small town. There will never be anyone like him. It was an honor to have known this guy. Now that I think about it. He truly was one of a kind.

You ever seen 28 days of anarchy? That's f*cking awesome. Not 100 percent sure it was 28 days , could have been 36 or something. Anyway this documentary is about the period of Bonnie and Clyde, Babyface Nelson and others

No I think it was called 20 or 30 months of anarchy, not days. This documentary was basically about days of motorized bandit, when there was no federal law and FBI. iT WAS CRAZY HOW jOHN dILLINGER WAS BROKE OUT JAIL NUMEROUS TIMES, THEY ACTUALLY TOOK OVER POLICE STATIONS LOL. cOOL TIMES-

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Mister Pink

Great watch. A race takes about 60 hours to complete (no sleep), over rugged terrain. Most people will never finish it. Only about 18 people have completed it since it's beginning in 1986. Nobody finished it this year. It's insanely hard. 

 

 

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The Time Ranger

Bob Lazar: Area 51 and the flying saucers.

So this was disappointing, Bob Lazar is a man who worked in Area 51 and broke the story that allegedly the government had alien spacecrafts stored there. Bob Lazar is one of the more believable ufo witnesses but this documentary did not satisfy my curiousity. 

 

They never really challenged holes in Bob's story, and when he got annoyed at being questioned they never pressed him for answers. When you come out with claims like this you have to have full disclosure. 

 

The documentary maker made it too much about himself also, with a "dramatic" recreation of a text conversation he had while Bob was raided by the feds, complete with moody lighting for added effect. 

 

Mickey Rourke provided narration during these transation sequences where trippy images of space filled the screen while he would wax lyricial about life, the universe, and the meaning behind it all. Whoever wrote his script just went to town with the thesaurus, adding in as much pseudo-intellectual bollocks as possible, also Rourkes voice was quite slurred, that was a complaint among watchers but it didn't really bother me, it's more the overly fancy english designed to mask the lack of depth to his words that annoyed me. Also this echo at the end of certain sentences, to add some gravitas to the words spoken, that was a poor choice too. To be honest these parts were unintentionally funny, I found myself looking forward to them for the wrong reasons.

 

So an interesting topic but a poor documentary, if you want to know more about Bob Lazars story he was on the Joe Rogan podcast recently, listen to that over this documentary. 

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Mister Pink

That's a pity. He went on Joe Rogan but haven't watched it. Was going to watch the doc first. Wasn't expecting much but you just confirmed it. 

 

One a positive note, The Dawn Wall. Wow. I'd give 9 or 10/10. 

 

 

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I have an interest in ufos and aliens and as a result I've watched and read a lot about the subject. This is the best piece of media about the subject I've ever consumed. It focuses on Dr Steven Greer who started the disclosure project, an attempt to release the info to the public about the aliens, and to make peaceful contact with the aliens. It features credible eye witnesses giving their stories, from high ranking military officers to government officials. 

 

It talks not just about aliens and ufo's, but the shadowy powers that are keeping it under wraps, not the government but a power behind the US government who are pulling the strings. It theorizes what the end game is for this group and what they hope to achieve. 

 

There was so much content that it really needs a second watch just to absorb everything, I almost felt that a convoy of black Hummers would pull up and take me away after watching. Anyway it's on netflix and is well worth a watch even if you only have a passing interest in the subject. 

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Guest Billy Russo

Did anybody see this? I haven't played much DBD but I might play it for this DLC.

 

 

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On 6/6/2019 at 11:00 PM, LazlowsucksiloveslutS said:

I must have watched about a hundred documentaries on Billy The Kid and other legends of the old west.

 

But BiLLy the Kid is not as interesting as Wild Bill or Doc Holiday or wYatt Earp or the Daltons.

 

Interesting fact: in my town there was this man who was a reincarnation of Wild Bill Hicokck. He had the long hair, flamboyant style in dress, warm look when he was calm and cold stare when angry. I miss him, even if he wasn't such a nie guy, but he brought liveliness o a small town. There will never be anyone like him. It was an honor to have known this guy. Now that I think about it. He truly was one of a kind.

You ever seen 28 days of anarchy? That's f*cking awesome. Not 100 percent sure it was 28 days , could have been 36 or something. Anyway this documentary is about the period of Bonnie and Clyde, Babyface Nelson and others

I don't know if you're from the U.S or not but if you are check and see if you have the American's Hero Channel if you do be on the lookout for Gunslingers, They've been reairing that series on AHC profiling all of the old cowboys and outlaws from the old west and it's a Point Of View show so it's them telling you their stories instead of an Historian or Expert

 

If you're unable to find it, don't have that channel or don't live in the U.S but you are able to search for shows via On Demand search for Gunslingers

 

I promise you won't be disappointed 

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Lonely-Martin

The Devil Next Door on Netflix was quite interesting as I didn't know much of the story beforehand though sure I'd heard of it in headlines at some point. It's all about an older man from Cleveland that was happily enjoying family life until he was suspected of being a concentration camp war criminal nicknamed 'Ivan the Terrible' because of the crimes committed there.

 

To be fair, I don't like the amount of footage from the camps as I've seen enough from documentaries on the subject, and some of the pain on survivors was also pretty upsetting too. Definitely one for the stronger stomach. But overall it's a very interesting story and well made documentary that's full of twists, the lawyer defending the man I found hard to like too but gave me Saul Goodman vibes though.

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Mister Pink

That's definitely on my list to watch next. Looks really interesting. ^

 

Last night I watched Fire In Paradise on Netflix. It's a really compelling account of one of the California fires in 2018 that wiped out a whole down and killed 85 people. The sense of helplessness and fear is rattling as roads got blocked and people had to abandon their cars and try to escape. There's a couple of clips in the video that look like something out of a disaster movie. It's very surreal. 

 

 

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Lonely-Martin

I've watched 2 more Netflix miniseries docs this week, both interesting for varying reasons. (Bit of a longer post than anticipated).

 

The Confession Killer. This one is about Henry Lee Lucas, as outside of smaller reading and the Michael Rooker movie inspired by these crimes (Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer), I knew less facts and it was a great documentary to learn more of this criminal and the wild claims/numbers associated with the him. The Texas Rangers didn't look too good here and it's interesting to see how things spiralled. A good watch and much more less grim (if ever it can be given the topics) to watch than my next mention...

 

Don't F**k With Cats: The Hunt For An Internet Killer. I vaguely remember this story in the news but not much outside basic headlines. (Too scared to research it as I don't want to bump into footage that shockingly is apparently still out there!!). This one has a very dark nature to it as there's much less left to the imagination or glossed over. Though it doesn't fully show the crimes, it's very close to it, and it will infuriate animal lovers as shown in the documentary itself. *Some Spoilers below*

 

This one is getting a more mixed reaction for a couple of reasons, but it ends with interesting/provoking questions/thoughs, including regards to those involved in investigating, and even us viewers too as to guilt or complicity with the case and true crime itself as a topic/genre. Something that I hadn't given as much thought to as I have now.

 

This documentary leaves questions regarding the case so I feel it's not as thorough as it could be, or the case still has answers to seek as there is a glaring unresolved aspect. Also shows the power of the internet beyond the killer's crimes with online bullying, the unity to find justice, the way those good with a computer can find out so much about Joe Bloggs. It's crazy to think about really though I felt this doc didn't fully explore those aspects as much as it could have. An uncomfortable and flawed documentary, but one that does give food for thought too.

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Mister Pink
14 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Don't F**k With Cats: The Hunt For An Internet Killer. I vaguely remember this story in the news but not much outside basic headlines. (Too scared to research it as I don't want to bump into footage that shockingly is apparently still out there!!). This one has a very dark nature to it as there's much less left to the imagination or glossed over. Though it doesn't fully show the crimes, it's very close to it, and it will infuriate animal lovers as shown in the documentary itself. *Some Spoilers below*

 

This one is getting a more mixed reaction for a couple of reasons, but it ends with interesting/provoking questions/thoughs, including regards to those involved in investigating, and even us viewers too as to guilt or complicity with the case and true crime itself as a topic/genre. Something that I hadn't given as much thought to as I have now.

This series was great. I know it's only 3 episodes but I felt compelled to watch them back to back. It's one of those Netflix docs that just keeps unraveling and the story gets more shocking. It's crazy. 

 

But yeah, it does raise a good point. I appreciate their self-awareness. Were they complicit? And when I think about it, I think not. Their intentions were sound and laudable. This Magnotti guy was all ready doing harm to the animals and this would have continued and possibly murders could have continued if nobody was really on his tail. I think it was inevitable he would have progressed on to people. And whether he had those hunters as his "audience" to fuel him or chase him or not, he would have found another way to get thrills from the chase.  

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3 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

But yeah, it does raise a good point. I appreciate their self-awareness. Were they complicit? And when I think about it, I think not. Their intentions were sound and laudable. This Magnotti guy was all ready doing harm to the animals and this would have continued and possibly murders could have continued if nobody was really on his tail. I think it was inevitable he would have progressed on to people. And whether he had those hunters as his "audience" to fuel him or chase him or not, he would have found another way to get thrills from the chase.  

one thing that most sadistic/sociopath/serial killers appear to have in common is that they relish in their own media coverage or perceived legacy.

the mainstream media and our modern news cycle are absolutely complicit in the proliferation of public/spree murders. more gruesome the better. wall to wall coverage. every detail. your name and face on the front page. every word of your manifesto published. around the clock coverage. TV specials in your honor. documentaries in your honor. are you a handsome serial killer, too? do you have a charming personality, perhaps? we'll make a feature Hollywood film about you. we'll cast you for a cute actor with washboard abs. the media loves a good massacre. they love a good pile of bodies. but they never seem willing to talk about their own role in the pileup.

 

should we talk about our own role? as the viewer?

obviously someone is consuming these documentaries. someone is watching these cold case TV shows. someone is downloading these extremely popular murder mystery podcasts. Zac Efron was pretty hot as Ted Bundy. word on the street is that Leonardo DiCaprio will soon portray another butcher. I'm sure he'll look fabulous when he does. the cinematography will be gorgeous. someone will probably win an award. a shiny golden trophy and a shower of applause for a job well done. such respect! such high art! how come it's cool for serious actors to play seriously evil characters who committed serious evil with great adulation and dignity, but the moment a standup comedian in a dive bar says the word "chink" while telling a joke, their entire career must be destroyed and buried in the ashes?

 

sorry; that's slightly off topic.

the point is... I'm afraid the "inevitability" you speak of might actually be more self fulfilling prophecy than not. given the way our so-called culture is heading. I'm not gonna' sit here like Jack Thompson and claim that violent video games or movies or lyrics are leading to more violence in society. but I'm pretty sure that our society's frivolous and lackadaisical relationship with violence - especially the veneration provided by mass media - contributes to those situations where a borderline case crosses the final threshold. generally speaking, a hundred years ago, I think these kinds of people used to just disappear into homelessness and the obscurity of history. whatever... but today the crazies can see their new potential; celebrity. recognition. validation. infamy. righteousness.

 

and why shouldn't they?

we provide it in spades.

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To respond (a bit off topic but it's relevant to the topic of the documentary).

 

You are right, generally speaking. I was really commenting on this specific Magnotta case.  By that I mean, he all ready got the notoriety by publishing publicly the videos of the cats before a group formed to go after him. So, in a sense, that specific group, I don't think Baudi and team should feel the burden of guilt for his crimes. But yes, I think we're all complicit in some way. It's why I try not to read much of the news. Most of it is absolutely irrelevant to me and my life. It's dark entertainment. It's horror that happens other people, not me. Little-to-no news actually influences positively or negatively my daily decisions because it's irrelevant. Point being that media outlets and the general public all contribute to producing platforms for serial killers to feed in to their narcissistic behaviour and gain notoriety.  

 

1 hour ago, Awful Waffle said:

but I'm pretty sure that our society's frivolous and lackadaisical relationship with violence - especially the veneration provided by mass media - contributes to those situations where a borderline case crosses the final threshold. generally speaking, a hundred years ago, I think these kinds of people used to just disappear into homelessness and the obscurity of history. whatever... but today the crazies can see their new potential; celebrity. recognition. validation. infamy. righteousness.

I don't know about that. I think overall violent crimes and homicides going down globally and I don't think there is any evidence linking violence in media or media in general giving a platform to serial killers - increasing or encouraging those on the precipice to jump over in to the darkness. I mean what percentage of people are believed to have psychopathic tendencies. I think I read it's 1%. And of that percentage, how many will actually commit violence, let alone commit violence seeking infamy? Surely with the rise of cinema, TV and then internet this trend would go up. OK, granted the term serial killer is a relatively new concept as we know it today but we still have about 100 years of data records of murderers. It should show us some indication, even a trend. But the data says homicides, globally are receding. 

 

I think the celebrity and recognition you speak of is just relative to the person at the time and relative to the time they live in.  I just don't think Facebook or BestGore is going to make and on-the-fence psycho think, "you know, I was waiting for 4k streaming and for Africa to get better wi-fi infrastructure but you know what 1080p will do, and my target audience is mainly UK/US, but this will do, think I'll start hacking some limbs.")  OK, I'm being bit silly, but in jest. These people that act on their thoughts generally act on impulse and feel compelled again and again to do it. Yes, some internet or media notoriety feeds in to psyche in some way but more as an afterthought or justification. 

 

And for every psychopath on the fence about their psychopathy and dealing with themselves, there is more therapy, more  mental health awareness, psychology and medication, and ways to reduce probability of acting out.  I think if you removed all news media and removed the internet, I don't think it would reduce the probability of psychopaths acting out. They'll always have some local notoriety, be it from victims families and friends, if they seek that kind of attention. 

 

Sorry, I know we've gone way off topic. It's an interesting subject. And it just speaks to the power of the documentary. It raised these questions and sparks great debate. For anyone that's interested, here's a link to the trailer. 

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

I do tend to agree with @Mister Pink more on this, although do understand many points raised on both sides. We've always had an interest in violence though, real or fake, I like the fake stuff, lol. I remember being a kid that'd skip to the gory images in history lessons in my ignorance, and I am a bit of a gore-hound with my horror flicks too, lol. 

 

I do like a documentary that see's me look to learn more though like this one had, not so much the case/people involved, aside a few loose ends, but the wider issues and impacts as I feel this was another big eyeopener for the authorities as much as anything else. This 'Cats' documentary reminds me a bit like Bowling For Columbine in how much I've found could be discussed from it. :)

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14 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

I think overall violent crimes and homicides going down globally and I don't think there is any evidence linking violence in media or media in general giving a platform to serial killers

that's true but that's not the point I made.

I'm not concerned with battery, assault, or individual homicide. those are separate crime statistics. I already conceded that there's no good link between violent media and violent actions. that was never my point.

 

I'm concerned specifically with spree killing and/or spectacular displays of public violence.

this is about going postal. not crimes of passion. arguably the amount of Columbine's we experience as a society is on the rise compared to 100 years ago.

 

14 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

I think the celebrity and recognition you speak of is just relative to the person at the time and relative to the time they live in.  I just don't think Facebook or BestGore is going to make and on-the-fence psycho think, "you know, I was waiting for 4k streaming and for Africa to get better wi-fi infrastructure but you know what 1080p will do, and my target audience is mainly UK/US, but this will do, think I'll start hacking some limbs.")  OK, I'm being bit silly, but in jest. These people that act on their thoughts generally act on impulse and feel compelled again and again to do it. Yes, some internet or media notoriety feeds in to psyche in some way but more as an afterthought or justification.

you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not talking about facebook and bestgore.

I'm talking about The Wall Street Journal. USA Today. LA Times. Chicago Tribune. CNN. BBC. ABC. NBC. CBS. Fox. international media outlets with round the clock, in depth coverage on every TV and newsstand. plastering your name and face and life story all across their pages and channels. detailing your exploits and ranking your numbers alongside the other famous killers of our time. it's really no different than when ESPN reports the stats from last nights big game or has their panel of experts sit down to argue about which Hall of Famer was the best. Albert Pujols or Babe Ruth? John Wayne Gacy or Anders Behring Breivik? you know, the Babe had to contend with a different era of pitching and infield defensive fly rules than Albert; and while John racked up his numbers nice and slow over a longer period of time, Anders had the distinct advantage of high capacity magazines and an isolated island all to himself. both great strategies. who's the GOAT? you decide!

 

:/

 

again: I'm talking about spree killing and public massacre. not crimes of passion. I think you're wrong about this.

these people often do not act on impulse. they explicitly plan. they're cautious. they're methodical. they don't want to get caught... not right away. they plan for the incoming media storm. they plan for the recognition. they document. they take selfies, make video diaries, and write manifestos. they follow their own coverage to keep tabs on both how close the police might be getting and how far their notoriety is rising. this is one of the few things that almost all of them have in common. especially in the 21st century. the trend is most certainly upwards.

 

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

 

14 hours ago, Mister Pink said:

And for every psychopath on the fence about their psychopathy and dealing with themselves, there is more therapy, more  mental health awareness, psychology and medication, and ways to reduce probability of acting out.  I think if you removed all news media and removed the internet, I don't think it would reduce the probability of psychopaths acting out. They'll always have some local notoriety, be it from victims families and friends, if they seek that kind of attention. 

unfortunately it's all just speculation, too.

it's a debate we cannot even test.

 

pardon the pun, but the cat is already out of the bag, as it were.

we'll never know how many less cases we might have if the media wasn't so keen on glorifying them... because we don't have that time machine... this is the timeline of reality that we're stuck inside of. our culture is constantly praising the virtues of violent conflict resolution or lone vigilantism. our media cannot wait to detail their adventures and elevate their profile. to think that the proliferation of such content and idealism has no impact on the psyche of those most prone to succumbing to it is naive at best. it has to influence them. how can it not??

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Billy Russo
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@Mister Pink

 

Good to see you!

 

That Don't F With Cats documentary was messed up but incredibly well made. Although I must admit I found the ending a bit cringeworthy, calling out the viewers kind of. It's just a bit dumb when they put all of this work in making the documentary and will make money from it, so to try to shame people or make them feel guilty for being more aware of someone's crimes is just...I don't how to feel about it. I mean, I understand it in a way and we shouldn't really be giving people like this huge fame but it just happens. When something like this happens, it gets talked about, it makes the news and people want to understand how a person could commit these sort of crimes. It's fascinating and disturbing. 

 

This is one of the more interesting ones I've watched. Luka was a really strange individual, all those fan pages with fake accounts creeped me out and how he was basically living in his own movie. When they showed the Basic Instinct comparison, it blew my mind. You just wonder how the brain of someone like that works. I didn't know about Luka Magnotta before this documentary, so I was totally gripped in every 'plot' twist so to speak throughout. I ended up binge watching the whole thing in one sitting. Definitely needed a breather after it all. Even though you don't see the full videos of what he did, it still made me feel uncomfortable and sick.

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J Dilla

Paris Is Burning is one of my favorite documentarys. Very powerful stuff, highly recommend

 

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Mister Pink
On 1/22/2020 at 1:02 PM, J Dilla said:

Paris Is Burning is one of my favorite documentarys. Very powerful stuff, highly recommend

 

Oh sh*t! Nice one! Yeah, I remember watching that about 5 years ago on Netflix. Great doc! I had to Google it to see what you were on about as I didn't remember the name. It's got a 100% critics rating on RT, too. 

 

It's docs like these that inspire me to make documentaries. I love docs about interesting people and weird and wonderful sub-cultures. 

 

 

 

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J Dilla
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On 2/12/2020 at 8:02 PM, Mister Pink said:

Oh sh*t! Nice one! Yeah, I remember watching that about 5 years ago on Netflix. Great doc! I had to Google it to see what you were on about as I didn't remember the name. It's got a 100% critics rating on RT, too. 

 

It's docs like these that inspire me to make documentaries. I love docs about interesting people and weird and wonderful sub-cultures. 

 

 

 

I was super suprised recently seeing that this got reissued by criterion collection!

 

comparing some screens the leap in quality is pretty big

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"New 2K digital restoration, supervised by director Jennie Livingston, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
New conversation between Livingston, ball community members Sol Pendavis and Freddie Pendavis, and filmmaker Thomas Allen Harris
Over an hour of never-before-seen outtakes
Audio commentary from 2005, featuring Livingston, ball community members Freddie Pendavis and Willi Ninja, and film editor Jonathan Oppenheim
Episode of The Joan Rivers Show from 1991, featuring Livingston and ball community members Dorian Corey, Pepper LaBeija, Freddie Pendavis, and Willi Ninja
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"Paris is Burning will be available on February 25, 2020"

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Awful Waffle

this might be the only place on Earth where nobody is talking about Tiger King lol...

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22 hours ago, Awful Waffle said:

this might be the only place on Earth where nobody is talking about Tiger King lol...

I know, it's on my list. 

 

Did you watch it? What did you think?

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This 2006 documentary had a big effect on me the first time I watched it. It follows Australian film maker George Gittoes as he meets three rapping brothers who see hip hop as their way out of their Miami ghetto. Showing the brothers rapping about their daily struggle in the hood while George interviews those in the drug trade who gladly show off their guns brings a stark reality to their lyrics.

 

The oldest brother has an especially interesting viewpoint as he is a soldier just back from Iraq, who is home now, but still in a dangerous environment. He had previously met Gittoes during the making of his ealier documentary "Soundtrack to War."This documentary showed the impact music has on US soldiers during the Iraq war.

 

Major spoilers below in tags

Then about a quarter way through the documentary things take a deadly turn as one of the brothers is shot dead by a local gang member, and the question of was the killing due to jealously of the brothers documentary is raised.

 

It's a difficult watch but it's worth it, the film won a few awards but seems to be quite unknown which is a shame. I think it deserves more recognition for what it was and became, a well made gritty documentary which turned tragic, showing firsthand the senseless violence that plaques some aspects of American society.

 

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