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cidamelo

I Completed TLAD 100% and I STILL LIKE RAY BOCCINO

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cidamelo

shadyslady I think Ray is hotter but I can see the resemblance lol.gif

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shahmen

 

MC_320 my son downloaded it for me but PLEASE DON'T BAN ME I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE AND I REALLY WANTED TO PLAY THE GAME cryani.gif  cryani.gif !!!

So thats how you got GTA Episodes From Liberty City

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OGIamLoco

 

MC_320 my son downloaded it for me but PLEASE DON'T BAN ME I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE AND I REALLY WANTED TO PLAY THE GAME cryani.gif  cryani.gif !!!

So thats how you got GTA Episodes From Liberty City

 

oh man, que ELO

 

"E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, E-evil Woman, Evil Woman"

 

 

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AlexGTAGamer

Well you have to do what you have to do to get along/survive in this world, you have to lie, cheat and steal just to survive, that is the cruel fate of life.

 

Unless you'r an amish, or a native, or someone who lives secluded from the rest of the so called "civilised world".

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Cpl.Dunn

I liked Ray too. He was cool. Although, i liked Phil more.

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cidamelo

AlexGTAGamer but when I said I like Ray, people said he was bad because he did bad things!!! But they like Johnny, and for me, Johnny is worst! Ray was never backstabbing!

Cpl.Dunn Ray is my favorite character from GTA IV! I think it's fun the rivalry between Ray and Phil lol.gif

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OGIamLoco

yeah but, your playing as johnny, everybody else is automatically the bad guy.

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Cpl.Dunn
AlexGTAGamer but when I said I like Ray, people said he was bad because he did bad things!!! But they like Johnny, and for me, Johnny is worst! Ray was never backstabbing!

Cpl.Dunn Ray is my favorite character from GTA IV! I think it's fun the rivalry between Ray and Phil lol.gif

Indeed it is funny. biggrin.gif

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cidamelo

OGIamLoco I don't think this way, usually we are on the side of who we are playing with (in this case, Johnny) but I never liked him!

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Ash_735
OGIamLoco I don't think this way, usually we are on the side of who we are playing with (in this case, Johnny) but I never liked him!

And that's the problem, you were on Ray's side long before TLAD, most of us who played IV felt there was something wrong about Ray, you fell in love with him! tounge.gif

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cidamelo

Ash_735 what's wrong about Ray? He didn't nothing wrong!! Other people, like Jimmy Pegorino and Johnny Klebitz did angry.gif !!

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Irish00

In my opinion Ray is the most greediest son of a gun ever in a GTA game. Don't you see cidamelo? You're blinded by love!

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cidamelo

Irish00 I can't remember when RAY betrayed somebody like Johnny did!!! angry.gif

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The Lolwut Pear

Actually, I just replayed TLaD and noticed something:

 

When you exit the museum, Ray's goons attack you. This is strange because if Johnny had stayed loyal to Ray, he would've had to exit the museum and bring the money to Ray. So it's pretty obvious that Ray didn't trust Johnny and had him jumped.

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buzbegone
Actually, I just replayed TLaD and noticed something:

 

When you exit the museum, Ray's goons attack you. This is strange because if Johnny had stayed loyal to Ray, he would've had to exit the museum and bring the money to Ray. So it's pretty obvious that Ray didn't trust Johnny and had him jumped.

Exactly. You even hear Johnny saying something like 'Ray's got a contract out on me, huh?' So in return, he took what he deserved.

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cidamelo

The Lolwut Pear Niko told Johnny has the money, and Niko left the museum before Johnny. What do you want him to think? "Oh Johnny is a good guy he will bring the money back to me". The worst is that Ray GIVE Johnny a chance lol.giflol.gif Ray isn't stupid, he knew Johnny would betray him. Johnny didn't sympathize with Ray, but this isn't a reason to steal him!! Or maybe this was a game's goof. Don't you remember in Museum Piece, they say "loose the Isaac's crew" but the goons aren't from Isaac, they're from Ray! notify.gif

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buzbegone
Johnny didn't sympathize with Ray, but this isn't a reason to steal him!!

I believe Ray putting a hit out on Johnny gives him more than enough reason to take the money.

Also, Niko didn't leave first. In the original IV, Johnny leaves first. It's complicated...

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Angel Avenue

 

Don't you remember in Museum Piece, they say "loose the Isaac's crew" but the goons aren't from Isaac, they're from Ray! notify.gif

It's correct, in vanilla you've got to lose Isaac's crew. sarcasm.gif

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The Lolwut Pear
Don't you remember in Museum Piece, they say "loose the Isaac's crew" but the goons aren't from Isaac, they're from Ray! notify.gif

It's correct, in vanilla you've got to lose Isaac's crew. sarcasm.gif

Half of the goons are Ray's, the other half are Isaac's.

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Angel Avenue
Don't you remember in Museum Piece, they say "loose the Isaac's crew" but the goons aren't from Isaac, they're from Ray! notify.gif

It's correct, in vanilla you've got to lose Isaac's crew. sarcasm.gif

Half of the goons are Ray's, the other half are Isaac's.

Sorry then, I haven't played vanilla in months.

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cidamelo

buzbegone I didn't understand?? Johnny runs with the money, but he go shooting his way out of the museum. In "Collector's Item" we see Niko leaving the place, then Johnny sees the people killed by Niko and say: I wouldn't want to be in this slav's way, or something like that notify.gif And Johnny thought about steal Ray right after Ray makes the deal with him, in "Diamonds In The Rough" Johnny says that in the first chance he will steal that "guido", he just wanted the money, why don't accept the one million then??Ray did NOTHING wrong!! angry.gif

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Jimbatron

Well, he does have Jim tortured with a blow torch. Maybe the Lost MC were asking for trouble by running off with all the money, but you can hardly say Ray is a good guy. According to Luca he also fed another guy to a dump truck. Having said that, most of the other GTA characters are not entirely savoury either.

 

Ray is an interesting character because he is not one dimensional. On the one hand, he does keep his word to Niko about finding Florian Cravic, even after the fiasco over the Diamonds at the museum - so there is some evidence he will make good on his promises. This said, he does come across as manipulative and vindictive at times. He clearly enjoys tormenting Johnny that he's been into Ashley. Some of his coversations to Niko are also threatening, after "Late Check Out" he implies that he should be greatful he hasn't been whacked over the Diamonds, and also takes a similar line through out the Gerald McReary missions. He also claims to Niko he made the introduction to Jimmy Pegorino, which is a lie, it was Phil Bell.

 

Ray's clearly not a good guy, but not in the same league of badness as Rascalov or Bulgarin.

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perroGtA97

i had to finish half of storyline today for just read your post which basically are deja vu for me except for befriending raygay. i even wondered why ray didnt got killed by jim but then understood that niko killed him in IV. and thats even better excuse. thought id want to kill him twice if not more.

 

it was selfunderstanding that johnny had to bet-ray ray and every smart human (yes) would do that. why not just get away with more money when you got cover like johnnys friends. thanks for reading - the lost and damned are my favorite over the ballad of gay tony because 2th is just glam crap despite almost unfunny yusuf amier.

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cidamelo

Jimbatron I ain't saying Ray is a good guy, but c'mon, almost no one in GTA is a good guy! If I think like this, I wouldn't like anyone in GTA lol.gif But when I created the topic "Ray Boccino" a lot of people said I was going to hate him in The Lost And Damned because he was bad, but I don't think he did nothing wrong (in a GTA yardstick, obviously tounge2.gif ) He didn't betray nobody, he was straight in his business! But Johnny stole his money, do you wanted him to think "Oh poor bikers I'll let them hang around with my money!!" obviously that no!! And he gave Johnny A LOT OF CHANCES!! I don't think he is so bad! A little sarcastic, but not a backstabbing! Yes I agree with you, he is not one dimensional, he is a very well designed character! He is a man of his word, and even thought Johnny and Niko treated him badly, he was straight with them. I think he likes to tormenting Johnny because of Ashley because he realized Johnny didn't like him. He could be sarcastic with The Lost (Johnny liked to criticize Ray too, calling him a guido, and he said Johnny should marry a coffin!!) After "Late Checkout" he just said the truth, I thought the same thing as him, I didn't see a threat on what he said, maybe it was a threat and I didn't realize notify.gif ? And I only heard Ray calling Niko in the Gerald mission "I'll Take Her", and I didn't see a threat too, there's another mission which Ray's call Niko? Maybe I killed him before some Gerald missions sad.gif Ray made Niko's introduction in the Pegorino Family. In "No Way In The Subway", Phil was suspicious about Niko "Are you sure this guy is alright? Have you checked him out?" Said Phil, and Ray said "I'm tellin' ya this guy's good" and in "Truck Hustle" Phil said "So Ray, who's the pal?" "You remember Niko, he's a good friend of mine." And then Ray says: "Niko is good, he'll do what you need", so Ray talked Niko up! Ok, I know that it's Phil who said about Niko to Jimmy, but it wouldn't be possible without Ray. And possibly, Jimmy wouldn't listen to Ray anyway, he seems to hate Boccino angry.gif And Ray says "Remember who made the introduction, who brought you in", I think he meant the Pegorino Family. And no one in GTA is a good guy lol.gif

 

perroGtA97 you're right, it was a very smart choice, it's better to have no money, no motorclub, and your best friend killed, than have 1 million dollar! sarcasm.gif The Lost was weaker than The Pegorino family, obviously they were going to LOSE (The Lost was over after it, it all begun in the "Civil War", but the diamond fiasco worsened the situation) Oh I am in the start of Ballad Of Gay Tony yet, but it seems very funny! I love The Lost And Damned, the ending is great, I assume I cried in the end, even though I don't like The Lost lol.gif

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Jimbatron

Come on - the phone call after "Late Checkout" is a very poorly disguised threat. First saying every other mouth has been closed but his who came near the Diamonds, and he should be greatful for that. Then remarks about the city being scary if you don't have friends. In Truck hussle, Phil is asking for Ray's help, but he says he's too busy - he's only talking Niko up because he dosen't want to do the job himself. Also he talks about the Diamonds as his Ice and demanding that Niko gets them back for him - basically Johnny and Niko did all the work stealing them for him - and the only people who have a possibly legitimate claim to own them are Gay Tony and Bulgarin.

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The Lolwut Pear
Actually, I just replayed TLaD and noticed something:

 

When you exit the museum, Ray's goons attack you. This is strange because if Johnny had stayed loyal to Ray, he would've had to exit the museum and bring the money to Ray. So it's pretty obvious that Ray didn't trust Johnny and had him jumped.

I rest my case, cid. You still haven't found a good answer against this. sly.gif

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cidamelo

Jimbatron I thought the same thing as Ray, almost everyone who stayed close to these diamonds ended up dead - including RayI didn't see it as a threat notify.gif I agree when he says "the city being scary if you don't have friends", I can see a little threat there but I think Ray was suspicious towards Niko because Niko always treated him badly, and everyone betrayed Ray. About Truck Hustle, that was Niko's job! Ray was, how can I say, an "white collar" criminal, he wasn't the kind of guy who was in the fight. Condemn Ray for it is the same thing as condemn an entrepreneur because he wins money without doing the manual labor! He was going to pay Niko and Johnny... and pay well! Yes, I know Ray isn't a good guy, he stole the diamonds but I even think he was too kind! How many chances he didn't give to Johnny?

The Lolwut Pear dozingoff.gif Ray's goons saw Johnny running away with the money, and Johnny was saying "I'll not let you tell Ray I have this money" what do you want them to do?? And if I were Ray, I wouldn't trust Johnny either happy.gif

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El Zilcho

5 pages? Come on cidamelo nobody really gives that much of a f*ck.

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cidamelo

El Zilcho I don't understand notify.gif If you don't care about it, why are you posting? No offence blush.gifalien.gif

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Irish00

She's got a point El Zilcho, my friend....

 

Anywho, it's simple. Johnny didn't trust Ray, Ray didn't trust Johnny. Therefore considering Johnny didn't want Ray to get the money, but Ray didn't trust Johnny in the first place, Ray was going to take out Johnny just in case. So the way I see it it's Ray's fault just as much as Johnny's.

 

You don't have to agree with me, but that's how I see it.

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