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cidamelo

I Completed TLAD 100% and I STILL LIKE RAY BOCCINO

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cidamelo

junkpile are you crazy?! tounge2.gifPhil Bell, NO DOUBT!!

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scedion

I hate Ray, Johnny and The rest of the Lost excluding the damned traitors were awesome and it was the Lost doing all the hard work they lost many members trying to get the diamonds and they deserved the money they lost blood trying to get it in the first place so why should Johnny give the money to Ray when it was Johnny and his Gang doing all the work, if it wasn't for Billy and Brian then the Lost can probably take on Ray and his crappy gang.

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PhantomRoxas101

To me it's like this, I don't really like Ray Boccino BUT I respect him as a person. Him and Johnny could've been alright and wouldn't of had any problems if Billy didn't tell Ray all those lies. Ray Boccino was WRONG for trying to put a hit on Phil, and so it proves he's not a good guy. He's two faced, and deserved dying by the hands of Niko. Ray was cool, but he wasn't a very loveable character. I preferred Phil anyhow, and would've killed Ray if given the choice.

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The Odyssey
To me it's like this, I don't really like Ray Boccino BUT I respect him as a person. Him and Johnny could've been alright and wouldn't of had any problems if Billy didn't tell Ray all those lies. Ray Boccino was WRONG for trying to put a hit on Phil, and so it proves he's not a good guy. He's two faced, and deserved dying by the hands of Niko. Ray was cool, but he wasn't a very loveable character. I preferred Phil anyhow, and would've killed Ray if given the choice.

I don't know why rockstar made it so you had to kill ray. It would be intresting if you had to choose between Ray or Phil. Two Mob guys, and you had to choose who was the rat, and kill them. Even so, I'd still kill Ray. It seemed that Phil and Niko had a better bond than Ray and Niko, and Phil was a much more intresting and likeable character IMO.

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cidamelo

Phil is the TRUE TRAITOR!!

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Mister Pink

Best topic title in a long time. I'd love to see it printed on a t-shirt.

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Johnny-K

First of all, its clear who is my favourite gta character but I like to consider myself as a person who tries to mantain his objectivity no matter the situation. Also I want to mention that i actually read the whole tread.

 

I get it you like Ray maybe even more than I like Johnny, but I've been waiting to play as a biker since Vice City doing missions for Mitch Baker, also my name translated to English is Johnny.

 

All facts point him up beeing a douchebag, sneaky, a suck-up to Pegorino and cruel. An example of that is when he killed the guy screwing him over by throwing him in the crusher. Sure I get that in mafia world you dont walk away easy, but he could have chosen a more humain way to dispose of him, a bullet between the eyes is less terrifying. We all see what he is made of but you always try to spinn it in a good direction. Another thing, atm I am replaying gta iv and in museum piece cutscene before you go meet Johnny, Nico had to threaten him not to go before giving his word on finding florian. Further proof that he is the kind of guy who is using people, like using Ashley because I couldt find anything clear that he has some genuine afection for her, besides, the irish mobsters know that for a fact. What happend in the museum we can never be sure, he could have gotten him jumped or a big confusion. Throughout the hole game you can tell that he is the type of guy who wants to get to the top no matter the costs, and steps on everyone who gets in his way. Try to compare him to Phil Bell, wich one seems more trustworthy?

The only reason you couldn't choose wich one to kill is obvious: you can't make a clear ending in tlad based on the choise nico would make.

 

Sure, Johnny isn't a saint either, he did steal Ray because he saw what kind of person he really is and I'm guessing hate rather than greed made him wanna steal him. He never thought about himself, he put the brotherhood first and that is what counts. Sure he made a bad decision that time, I didn't like it either, especialy because the club house gets burnt and Jim killed, and after you finish the story there isnt much to do.

 

cidamelo, I accept the error made by Johnny, but Ray has many flaws, you need to accept that, not saying he was a rat though.

 

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cidamelo

ThePinkFloydSound I would wear it!

Johnny-K I agree with some points: Ray Boccino is kind suck-up for Pegorino, but I guess it's the only way for him to get ahead in the corporation! Because no one in the game truly likes him! He seems to not have friends or family!! Well, about the crusher... Ray Boccino was always betrayed, and obviously it's a bad thing to do, but everyone in GTA is bad!!! Niko may try to have a 'moral', but he still is as bad and criminal as more 'psychopath' characters like Ray or Claude.... sarcasm.gif And Ray isn't that bad! He seems to truly care about Ashley (if you see Taking In The Trash, he was very caring of her), and in Was It Worth It, he was sad when his henchman was killed!. Yes Niko always seemed to hate Ray, from the moment he met him! But Ray always tried to be nice with Niko, you can see it in "A Long Way To Fall", and Ray always called Niko "Nicky", in a friendly way, and he helped NIKO a lot, finding Florian and giving him a safehouse!! Obviously, as Niko always treats Ray badly, he starts to get suspicious about Niko.... ph34r.gif And Niko KNOWS he mistreats Ray, because when he kills him, he calls Roman and feels guilty! Ray Boccino LOOKS more like a rat than Phil, he seems more arrogant because his appearance - he is tall and handsome while Phil seems that fatty friend everyone has! Ray never made something that would made us think he was a rat! Maybe he didn't tell everything to Jimmy about the diamonds, but he was very honest with all of his henchman, Niko and Johnny included! Phil was a lover of THE BOSS WIFE, and he fooled Jimmy soooo much that he thought they weren't having an affair!! And why was Phil soooooooo worried about FBI? AND HE SUSPICIOUSLY MOVED TO A SMALL TOWN!!!! (Witness Protection Program anyone??) Phil was so smart NO ONE distrusted him!!

Johnny-K no problem, it's good to hear other opinions too! I love to talk about GTA anyway lol.gif

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Fisciletti
and Ray always called Niko "Nicky", in a friendly way,

I don't think so, many people call each other like that even not being friends.

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cidamelo

Fisciletti it might be said in an ironic way (like when Ray called Johnny "Jon-Jon", but I think he was friendly towards Niko in the beginning!!

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Johnny-K

Well, I hope this topic should put things into perspective: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=525039

 

To most of all he was never a guy to like in the first place, even Pegorino in his first cutscene says: "Would you rather have a talented snake or a stoical lion?"

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cidamelo

Johnny-K Jimmy Pegorino is a fool, I don't agree with anything he says!!

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AdvanceTrak RSC

Straight up Ray Boccino is an arrogant prick. He was funny at times but all in all an arrogant prick

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Mr Rabbit

I liked ray, but he was a bit of a 2-faced ass, but I liked him, reminded me of a criminal version of ray romano

i was hoping killing him or phil would be a choice, I would kill Phil - volume 1

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WildBrick142

Harbouring a Grudge - Packie: "Oh yeah, Ray Boccino's a slimy motherf*cker. The one thing you can rely on him for is greed"

In GTA IV you are warned about Ray so I dont think he should be liked.

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unc13bud

i liked phil for the most part - the fact that he was in the italian mob, but not italian was interesting

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cidamelo

NateShaw92 Ray Romano lol.giflol.gif I think he looks like Claude, my husband and his voice actor, Joe Barbara tounge2.gif I don't think he was exactly two-faced, maybe too ass-kisser, but not a rat...

WildBrick142 I think the one who is a slimy mothe***** is called PACKIE MCREARY sneaky2.gif I hate him!! He seems that stupid nowadays young playboys tounge2.gif

unc13bud yes like in Godfellas, but I don't like Phil!!

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lol232

Since I disliked them Equally, reward the depends on who would I kill.

It says that Ray would have given you a bid reward, so I guess I'd Terminate Phil.

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junkpile

I think the one who is a slimy mothe***** is called PACKIE MCREARY sneaky2.gif I hate him!! He seems that stupid nowadays

I have to disagree about Packie. He is far away from being a slimy motherf*cker. If you listen carefully to his dialogues during friendship activites, or even Kate's, you soon will find out.

 

 

Here an exerpt:

 

Kate to Niko:

"Packie's not a sociopath. He's a psychotic cocaine addict, sure, but

he's actually quite sentimental and longs for normality. He just thinks

that he'll find it by doing 5 hits of X a day, and smoking crack at

weekends after a spot of bank robbing. He's my brother, but he's an

idiot. You're not."

 

 

 

Packie to Niko:

"You seem like a solid guy, Niko. I know you talk about this bad sh*t

that happened to you, but I think you can get over it, you know. You're

a survivor."

 

" At least you know yourself, man. f*ck, I don't know what I am. An

Irishman, an American. I think I'm straight but when it's late at night

and I need another gram... I've thought about doing some f*cked up

sh*t, man. My family's just as confused. Are we gangsters or cops?

Drunkards or priests? Some people call this sh*t Catholic guilt. I

reckon it's just confusion."

 

"My father was a long way from a saint... I wanted to be an artist. I

could draw really well. It wasn't exactly encouraged. I was kept home

from school so I could roll joints for my dad. Soon I had different

goals. f*cking stupid world though, isn't it?"

 

"I didn't say everything. He molested Gerry and me - then he killed

himself - nobody speaks much about it..."

 

 

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cidamelo

junkpile I still hate him, I've heard all that dialogue and I admit I felt kind sad when he said he was molested and given up the dream of being an artist but I really don't like that type of guy!! (or character, if you want tounge2.gif) I prefer Gerry McReary

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junkpile I still hate him, I've heard all that dialogue and I admit I felt kind sad when he said he was molested and given up the dream of being an artist but I really don't like that type of guy!! (or character, if you want  tounge2.gif) I prefer Gerry McReary

Alright but what do you exactly "hate" about him? Packie is clearly compensating his problems. Anyway he is a loyal friend and protective of his family.

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Johnny-K

How long is this gonna last? Either you want to keep this topic alive or you are blind when it comes to him. All the ingame characters describes him to be selfish and a bad person one way or the other. I admit that Johnny was greedy when he stole from Ray, but dont you think its time you admit that he isnt a good guy? Want proof? http://www.gta4.net/characters/ check out Rays description at the end: ''Ray only seems to care about himself.''

 

I am sure that you are a great person, but in real life lets hope people can reason with you in more important issues than this one, because here you clearly refuse to accept the ideea. suicidal.gif

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cidamelo

junkpile well I don't like his way, you know... Actually I admit it's personal: he remembers a friend of my husband: he is like Packie, small, bald, drugged addicted and all... Even his voices are similar! The only thing different is that the friend isn't Irish or that young tounge2.giftounge2.gif I don't like the "Packie" style, do you know what I mean? In the first mission I already hated him tounge2.gif He just has that douche attitude!!

Johnny-K but I don't think it's wrong to Ray only think about himself, as I explained monocle.gif He kind 'lives alone' in this mafia life... tounge2.gif Well I guess it's going to last until people keeping posting on it, anyway I think it's cool to discuss the GTA story alien.gif Obviously he isn't a good guy, I think the only good people in the game must be Kate tounge2.gif I just don't think he is that bad!!

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junkpile
How long is this gonna last? Either you want to keep this topic alive or you are blind when it comes to him. All the ingame characters describes him to be selfish and a bad person one way or the other. I admit that Johnny was greedy when he stole from Ray, but dont you think its time you admit that he isnt a good guy? Want proof? http://www.gta4.net/characters/ check out Rays description at the end: ''Ray only seems to care about himself.''

 

I am sure that you are a great person, but in real life lets hope people can reason with you in more important issues than this one, because here you clearly refuse to accept the ideea. suicidal.gif

Some people say "don't create topics that already exist/use search function", then again picking up an older topic is also wrong?

If there's something you want to talk about, let's just do it here.

It's good to see people like cidamelo appreciate the depth of these games, appreciate the characters.

 

About Ray:

now how is that a proof for anything? lol.gif

Still I have to say you're right, he mostly cares about his own. In TLAD if you kill Niko in Collector's Item, Johnny calls Ray and he says:"I never trusted Niko..."

 

But then again, Niko is not one to trust. Take a look on Niko from Ray's perspective. He is a skilled, hired gun. But if you look at his resume, Niko either kills his former employers or is involved in their death somehow.

Like already said, Ray finds Florian, he even cares about the outcome. He pays quite a lot and introduces Niko further to Phil.

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Johnny-K

From Johnny's point of view its very obvious why he doesn't trust Nico. He might suspected that he had been involved in Jason's death but mainly because he was Ray's hired gun and we all know how he felt about the guy. His has good instincts.

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From Johnny's point of view its very obvious why he doesn't trust Nico. He might suspected that he had been involved in Jason's death but mainly because he was Ray's hired gun and we all know how he felt about the guy. His has good instincts.

It's Ray who says this. Try to kill Niko in Colletor's Item in TLAD. Then Johnny will call Ray and say he has killed Niko. Ray says:"I never trusted the guy (Niko)."

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cidamelo

Actually I think Ray actually cares about people lol.gif For example in Taking In The Trash he seems to really care about Ashley (I think in the beggining he started to date her just because the diamonds, but then he started to like her), he calls Niko after Weekend At Florian's to see if everything went well with Niko and after Was It Worth It? He does a very desesperate face when his henchman dies

 

junkpile Ray was right because Niko killed him lol.gif And Niko has always treated him badly, obviously I would get suspicious

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Actually I think Ray actually cares about people lol.gif For example in Taking In The Trash he seems to really care about Ashley (I think in the beggining he started to date her just because the diamonds, but then he started to like her), he calls Niko after Weekend At Florian's to see if everything went well with Niko and after Was It Worth It? He does a very desesperate face when his henchman dies

 

junkpile Ray was right because Niko killed him lol.gif And Niko has always treated him badly, obviously I would get suspicious

Yes...even two more examples why he isn't as bad as people make him look.

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SuperGTFan

So 9 months later , Johnny K is dead , you happy now OP ? 😂😂😂

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