Npc wanted level.

[Mr.Moffat]

 

In IV npc's would get into quite intense an interesting shootout;s and you never were sure who would win, it was random a guy with an Ak could be killed by a lone cop just because he got a lucky shot in, I always found it very entertaining to watch, how ever most of the time armed npc's would only get in shootout with cops if a cop car was luckily driving by or you called it, then you wuold have to call another if you wanted a fight to continue.

 

I propose we give them a mini wanted level, not the full blown player system. Example player gets in shootout with npc's two attack weilding ak's, player retreats to cover, a nearby cop walking by notices them and trys to arrest them (one star) the men can run, surrender or fight back (also happens in 4) they attack killing the cop. They now have 2 stars. A cop car spawns to try and kill them , a gunfight ensues, the gun man kill another cop, but the surving cop diarms one, a helicopter turns up for dramatic effect (not too shoot them) then a single swat van turns up and wipes the floor with the gun man due to swats superior skills. gunmen killed the police remain to secure area, choooer flies around for a while ambulance turns up.

 

So what do you think? i think these would be very entertaining to watch, especially there was an area with very well armed criminals, it would also satisfy people who want more random things happeining in the city and it would make the place feel dangerous

[EvilDynasty]

It already happens but not good enough

 

this is a good idea

[Official General]

I've now found a most brilliant set of ways to create shoot-outs in the street between NPCs, that does NOT include cops.

[Kwandilibro]

I've now found a most brilliant set of ways to create shoot-outs in the street between NPCs, that does NOT include cops.

Well you can't mention it and not tell us.

[Official General]

 

I've now found a most brilliant set of ways to create shoot-outs in the street between NPCs, that does NOT include cops.

Well you can't mention it and not tell us.

@ Kwandilibro

 

LOL, I was waiting for a few responses. But since you insist, I will gladly reveal all.

 

I will give you instructions on how achieve shoot-outs and gunfights between NPCs that do not involve the police on a game-by-game basis starting with GTA IV (original game). Trust me it works, as I've discovered it and tried it many times. It has actually made me play GTA IV and the Episodes all over again, its made it a lot more fun for me. I've created shoot-outs that look so real and brutal that they look like something out of The Wire ! Ok here it is.....

 

GTA IV (original game) :

 

1st method - You need to achieve the maximum friendship level with Dwayne Forge (provided you did not kill him). Once you achieve this, you will be able to call Dwayne for back-up and he will send you a car with two black gang members that are always armed with guns. These gang members will act as your bodyguards and they will follow you everywhere you go, and they will shoot at anyone that attacks you or if you attack them. Once you have them in your company, go to any area of Liberty City and Alderney that has a presence of gang members. Start trouble with the other gang members and watch your bodyguards and the gang members pull out their guns and have big shoot-outs and gunfights with each other in the streets. You can just watch everything unfold from a distance.

 

This method can be done anywhere on the map where you can locate OC groups and gangs, but I think the best areas to try this are the Firefly Projects (Broker), North and East Holland (Algonquin), South Bohan, Acter (Alderney) and Cerveza Heights (Dukes).

 

2nd method - Get a cop car and proceed to the Vigilante missions by logging on to the LCPD crime database. Once you are on the database, go and view "Current Crimes". It will show you a small list of crimes taking place in the area near where you are located. There will normally always be a notice telling you that gang activity is taking place. Select the gang activity notice and use the cop car to go to the location where the gang activity is taking place. Once you get there and see the gang members, park the cop car at safe distance, get out and call Dwayne's back-up. Your armed bodyguards will arrive and they will immediately engage in a shoot-out or gunfight with the gang members at the scene. You can just stand by and watch the whole thing while they shoot up the place and shoot each other to bits.

 

This method can be done anywhere on the map, there is no difference whatsoever as to which area it takes place in.

 

THE BALLAD OF GAY TONY :

 

You must have started and completed a good number of the Drug War side missions to do this. This should work once you have completed somewhere in between 15 to 25 of the Drug Wars side missions. At this stage, once you have completed a single Drug Wars mission, go straight to the Schottler or Beechwood districts of Broker. Look closely and you will notice members of the Northwood Dominican drugs gang hanging around the streets amongst the Jamaican gang members that claim those districts as their territory. The Northwood Dominicans dress a bit like the Spanish Lords in terms of colour, but they still look a little different and sometimes appear to look more Black-Hispanic mixed. Start trouble with any one of the Northwood Dominicans or Jamaican gang members and make sure that anyone of them fires a gun. Once that happens, other Northwood Dominicans and Jamaicans that are nearby and armed will pull out their guns and start shooting at each other. A gunfight will erupt and you can just watch the whole drama take place from a distance. Shoot-outs between these two get real vicious.

 

THE LOST AND DAMNED :

 

Go to the projects in North Holland or the Burger Shot in Varsity Heights. You will generally see North Holland Hustler gang members and Uptown Riders gang members hanging out in the same places. Start trouble with anyone of them and again, make sure a gun is fired by anyone of them. Once you do this, the North Holland Hustlers and the Uptown Riders will start shooting at each other, and again you can watch the gunfight unfold from a safe distance.

 

That is that my friend. Try it and let me know what you think !

 

Note: Police may sometimes get invloved in all the NPC shoot-outs I've described, IF they happen to be nearby or be somehow alerted to the drama. However, there are many times the police are not always around to attend to the scene, so you wont have to worry about police interfering with these wild shoot-outs between gang members and spoiling the show for you.

 

If anyone needs more information on how to do this, just PM me and I will get back to you.

Edited January 24, 2011 by Official General

[Linki]

Bravo man, bravo.

 

 

[Mr.Moffat]

 

LOL, I was waiting for a few responses. But since you insist, I will gladly reveal all.

 

I will give you instructions on how achieve shoot-outs and gunfights between NPCs that do not involve the police on a game-by-game basis starting with GTA IV (original game). Trust me it works, as I've discovered it and tried it many times. It has actually made me play GTA IV and the Episodes all over again, its made it a lot more fun for me. I've created shoot-outs that look so real and brutal that they look like something out of The Wire ! Ok here it is.....

 

GTA IV (original game) :

 

1st method - You need to achieve the maximum friendship level with Dwayne Forge (provided you did not kill him). Once you achieve this, you will be able to call Dwayne for back-up and he will send you a car with two black gang members that are always armed with guns. These gang members will act as your bodyguards and they will follow you everywhere you go, and they will shoot at anyone that attacks you or if you attack them. Once you have them in your company, go to any area of Liberty City and Alderney that has a presence of gang members. Start trouble with the other gang members and watch your bodyguards and the gang members pull out their guns and have big shoot-outs and gunfights with each other in the streets. You can just watch everything unfold from a distance.

 

This method can be done anywhere on the map where you can locate OC groups and gangs, but I think the best areas to try this are the Firefly Projects (Broker), North and East Holland (Algonquin), South Bohan, Acter (Alderney) and Cerveza Heights (Dukes).

 

2nd method - Get a cop car and proceed to the Vigilante missions by logging on to the LCPD crime database. Once you are on the database, go and view "Current Crimes". It will show you a small list of crimes taking place in the area near where you are located. There will normally always be a notice telling you that gang activity is taking place. Select the gang activity notice and use the cop car to go to the location where the gang activity is taking place. Once you get there and see the gang members, park the cop car at safe distance, get out and call Dwayne's back-up. Your armed bodyguards will arrive and they will immediately engage in a shoot-out or gunfight with the gang members at the scene. You can just stand by and watch the whole thing while they shoot up the place and shoot each other to bits.

 

This method can be done anywhere on the map, there is no difference whatsoever as to which area it takes place in.

 

THE BALLAD OF GAY TONY :

 

You must have started and completed a good number of the Drug War side missions to do this. This should work once you have completed somewhere in between 15 to 25 of the Drug Wars side missions. At this stage, once you have completed a single Drug Wars mission, go straight to the Schottler or Beechwood districts of Broker. Look closely and you will notice members of the Northwood Dominican drugs gang hanging around the streets amongst the Jamaican gang members that claim those districts as their territory. The Northwood Dominicans dress a bit like the Spanish Lords in terms of colour, but they still look a little different and sometimes appear to look more Black-Hispanic mixed. Start trouble with any one of the Northwood Dominicans or Jamaican gang members and make sure that anyone of them fires a gun. Once that happens, other Northwood Dominicans and Jamaicans that are nearby and armed will pull out their guns and start shooting at each other. A gunfight will erupt and you can just watch the whole drama take place from a distance. Shoot-outs between these two get real vicious.

 

THE LOST AND DAMNED :

 

Go to the projects in North Holland or the Burger Shot in Varsity Heights. You will generally see North Holland Hustler gang members and Uptown Riders gang members hanging out in the same places. Start trouble with anyone of them and again, make sure a gun is fired by anyone of them. Once you do this, the North Holland Hustlers and the Uptown Riders will start shooting at each other, and again you can watch the gunfight unfold from a safe distance.

 

That is that my friend. Try it and let me know what you think !

 

Note: Police may sometimes get invloved in all the NPC shoot-outs I've described, IF they happen to be nearby or be somehow alerted to the drama. However, there are many times the police are not always around to attend to the scene, so you wont have to worry about police interfering with these wild shoot-outs between gang members and spoiling the show for you.

 

If anyone needs more information on how to do this, just PM me and I will get back to you.

 

 

 

Nice tips know a few of them myself, but I want police to be involved I want swat to appear themselves, a chopper to appear by itself without you doing anything, to arrest the npcs who are shooting, I just want to sit back and watch and not be bothered

[scottymactavish714]

@Mr.Moffat

 

I think that's one of the biggest aspects of the game. Just being able to stand on the sidewalk and watch things happen. Having something comical or cinematic happen without even pressing a button.

[Mr.Moffat]

 

I think that's one of the biggest aspects of the game. Just being able to stand on the sidewalk and watch things happen. Having something comical or cinematic happen without even pressing a button

 

And giving npc's a mini wanted level would add to that, im not sure im clear on what people think of my idea.

[Long Haired Freaky Guy]

I think it would be a cool idea to see like 2 police cars fly past you, you follow them, and they turn up to a shootout going on between NPC's. GTA is meant to be about crime, yet the only criminal seems to be you in the whole of Liberty City...would have been fun to see random shootouts between NPC's and police, with helicopters turning up aswell. I remember they had helicopters that always flew around in San Andreas, and it added to the whole crime aspect of the game, but it would be much better to see them in action, not to just be there for the looks.

[IllnessGTA]

FINALLY, someone mentions this. I think it would be cool if you randomly encounter the SWAT trying to kill a few bank robbers. It would be a cool random event.

[Emm Ell]

I like these ideas, it could be similar to the 'random events' in Red Dead, with a little more variety/action.

 

Drug deals 'going wrong' between 2 gangs.

Drive-by shootings, stabbings, robberies etc, it would be brilliant.

[El Zilcho]

I'd love to see a high speed car chase against traffic on the high way, and if you follow them eventually the chaser catches up, executes the escapee and perhaps utter some dramatic one liner - now that's what I call random awesomeness!

[scottymactavish714]

So at what point would the cops priority shift from the NPC's to you?

 

if there was a mini wanted system for AI what if you had 2 stars and some gang dude had 6?

 

when would the police start to ignore/attack you?

[Mr.Moffat]

 

So at what point would the cops priority shift from the NPC's to you?

 

if there was a mini wanted system for AI what if you had 2 stars and some gang dude had 6?

 

when would the police start to ignore/attack you?

 

Hmm good point, well obviously you don't have to have a wanted level, for an npc to have one, but if you did, I guess the simplest thing to do, would be for the police to go for the bigger threat, ie I may have 2 stars, but im only carrying a bat and hiding behind a wall, and there's 3 guys with ak's, police will go for the most immeadite threat. In GTA4, even if you have a wanted level and there is a guy shooting, the police will often go for him and ignore me as long im out of the way.

 

Once while playing IV, I had a one star wanted level, and there was a guy shooting me with a mini uzi, a cop car turned up with two cops, the first cop began shooting the npc with the gun and the second came for me, but the npc killed the other cop, so the cop who was going for me, ran back and shot him. So even al;ready the AI kinda knows who to take out first

 

 

 

[Long Haired Freaky Guy]

So at what point would the cops priority shift from the NPC's to you?

 

if there was a mini wanted system for AI what if you had 2 stars and some gang dude had 6?

 

when would the police start to ignore/attack you?

 

Hmm good point, well obviously you don't have to have a wanted level, for an npc to have one, but if you did, I guess the simplest thing to do, would be for the police to go for the bigger threat, ie I may have 2 stars, but im only carrying a bat and hiding behind a wall, and there's 3 guys with ak's, police will go for the most immeadite threat. In GTA4, even if you have a wanted level and there is a guy shooting, the police will often go for him and ignore me as long im out of the way.

 

Once while playing IV, I had a one star wanted level, and there was a guy shooting me with a mini uzi, a cop car turned up with two cops, the first cop began shooting the npc with the gun and the second came for me, but the npc killed the other cop, so the cop who was going for me, ran back and shot him. So even al;ready the AI kinda knows who to take out first

My point exactly. If you have 2 stars but the other guy has 6, then the relvant wanted level will still apply for you. A couple of cars will be sent looking for you, whils the higher police force will be dealing with the other guy. Why would there need to be a lack of police after you just because they are after someone else?

[Coral_City]

I'd love to see a high speed car chase against traffic on the high way, and if you follow them eventually the chaser catches up, executes the escapee and perhaps utter some dramatic one liner - now that's what I call random awesomeness!

Example:

 

Driver is some crazed machete loving man. He takes the hostage and cuts the person's head off. Then he says:

 

"Well, looks like he got a-'head' of himself"

[Long Haired Freaky Guy]

I'd love to see a high speed car chase against traffic on the high way, and if you follow them eventually the chaser catches up, executes the escapee and perhaps utter some dramatic one liner - now that's what I call random awesomeness!

Example:

 

Driver is some crazed machete loving man. He takes the hostage and cuts the person's head off. Then he says:

 

"Well, looks like he got a-'head' of himself"

When did Horatio quotes become part of the topic?

[Racecarlock]

I think this would work really well. I mean, if police is on in a GTA IV free mode match, doesn't this already essentially happen? Except with other players, but I don't think it would be hard to adapt it to NPC use. It would definitely create more random events.

 

In the meantime, here's another tip for GTA IV shootout chaos. Go to the airport and make sure you're in a vehicle with your cellphone scrolled to the wanted down cheat. Shoot a gun out the window and immediately use the code. If done correctly, the police should have a shootout with the security guards in the tan shirts. Some police may have assault rifles.

[Finn 7 five 11]

So at what point would the cops priority shift from the NPC's to you?

 

if there was a mini wanted system for AI what if you had 2 stars and some gang dude had 6?

 

when would the police start to ignore/attack you?

 

Hmm good point, well obviously you don't have to have a wanted level, for an npc to have one, but if you did, I guess the simplest thing to do, would be for the police to go for the bigger threat, ie I may have 2 stars, but im only carrying a bat and hiding behind a wall, and there's 3 guys with ak's, police will go for the most immeadite threat. In GTA4, even if you have a wanted level and there is a guy shooting, the police will often go for him and ignore me as long im out of the way.

 

Once while playing IV, I had a one star wanted level, and there was a guy shooting me with a mini uzi, a cop car turned up with two cops, the first cop began shooting the npc with the gun and the second came for me, but the npc killed the other cop, so the cop who was going for me, ran back and shot him. So even al;ready the AI kinda knows who to take out first

Hopefully the AI in the next GTA will be advanced enough to handle this, but the autoaim on IV couldn't even handle the "biggest threat" thing, i could sometimes have a guy shooting me i aim at him and it aims at some old lady behind him, if your protag can't handle it, i don't see the police handling it either.

 

I want lots of random stuff to happen in the next gta, random interesting and funny things to happen, quite frequently, so you never know whats going to happen.

 

 

I think this would work really well. I mean, if police is on in a GTA IV free mode match, doesn't this already essentially happen? Except with other players, but I don't think it would be hard to adapt it to NPC use. It would definitely create more random events.

 

They made it work for San Andreas, vice city and GTA III, usually it was just cops chasing criminal, but it still happened.

[scottymactavish714]

two words. drug wars.

 

although the most you can get during a drug war is two stars madd cops stilll chase you like a lot

and your two dude have intense weaponary. just blow up a toll booth or kill a cop and lead them to a drug war like during a stickup mission and watch the firefight ensue. Ive done it multiple times. its actually so dangerous.

There first time I did it was wild. people started running around on fire hahaha. because most of the npcs had molotovs

[Secura]

Why in the hell can't there be dog fights as well i mean come on having peds climb into a chopper and shoot at a Black hawk would be just awesome. It would also be better if the more gang members there were the more cops show up. Also i will now tell you of an expirement i had on IV.

 

 

I first got in a cop car and headed straight to do gang missions, i kept doing those missions until i found the largest group i possibly could. I found this group of about 20 gang members held up in the parking area of the northwood hostpital, so this is when i did it. I instantly gave my self a 6* wanted level and waited for cops to show and boy did they show. There were about 200 of them when i took my wanted level off and then the battle began. Noose members got invovled in some fierce battles but many of them fell, not a single police man killed one of the gang members. That was until the FIB showed up. The men scrambled for cover but 6 were shot dead before that instinct hit them and another 6 were killed trying to make it to cover. when these men where in cover they were dangerous they took out the entire street by blowing up one single car. The street looked like a bomb had been dropped and only 3 FIB members remain they tried to get on thier feet but where all shot dead in the proccess.

 

 

 

And then i shot them with a sniper rifle about 300 yards away. As you can see the AI vs AI combat is not well balanced at all which is a shame. I hope they rectify this in V.

Edited February 2, 2011 by Lightning Strike

[Official General]

Why in the hell can't there be dog fights as well i mean come on having peds climb into a chopper and shoot at a Black hawk would be just awesome. It would also be better if the more gang members there were the more cops show up. Also i will now tell you of an expirement i had on IV.

 

 

I first got in a cop car and headed straight to do gang missions, i kept doing those missions until i found the largest group i possibly could. I found this group of about 20 gang members held up in the parking area of the northwood hostpital, so this is when i did it. I instantly gave my self a 6* wanted level and waited for cops to show and boy did they show. There were about 200 of them when i took my wanted level off and then the battle began. Noose members got invovled in some fierce battles but many of them fell, not a single police man killed one of the gang members. That was until the FIB showed up. The men scrambled for cover but 6 were shot dead before that instinct hit them and another 6 were killed trying to make it to cover. when these men where in cover they were dangerous they took out the entire street by blowing up one single car. The street looked like a bomb had been dropped and only 3 FIB members remain they tried to get on thier feet but where all shot dead in the proccess.

 

 

 

And then i shot them with a sniper rifle about 300 yards away. As you can see the AI vs AI combat is not well balanced at all which is a shame. I hope they rectify this in V.

Why not follow some of the tips I've provdided earlier in this thread ?

 

When you do the LCPD Vigilante missions, you should call Dwayne's back-up to get invloved, sh*t gets real crazy for real. It also looks more interesting to see two sets of criminal gangs shooting it out rather than having police getting invloved all the time. You can even just start trouble with other gangs and call Dwayne's boys and watch them get into massive gunfights with these gangs and you can just watch the whole thing.

 

Seeing police get involved in gunfights too much gets a bit boring for me, you see this all the time in GTA IV when playing the game normally, because the a**holes are f**king evereywhere anyway !! I don't always like having the police invloved in stuff like this.

[Secura]

Why in the hell can't there be dog fights as well i mean come on having peds climb into a chopper and shoot at a Black hawk would be just awesome. It would also be better if the more gang members there were the more cops show up. Also i will now tell you of an expirement i had on IV.

 

 

I first got in a cop car and headed straight to do gang missions, i kept doing those missions until i found the largest group i possibly could. I found this group of about 20 gang members held up in the parking area of the northwood hostpital, so this is when i did it. I instantly gave my self a 6* wanted level and waited for cops to show and boy did they show. There were about 200 of them when i took my wanted level off and then the battle began. Noose members got invovled in some fierce battles but many of them fell, not a single police man killed one of the gang members. That was until the FIB showed up. The men scrambled for cover but 6 were shot dead before that instinct hit them and another 6 were killed trying to make it to cover. when these men where in cover they were dangerous they took out the entire street by blowing up one single car. The street looked like a bomb had been dropped and only 3 FIB members remain they tried to get on thier feet but where all shot dead in the proccess.

 

 

 

And then i shot them with a sniper rifle about 300 yards away. As you can see the AI vs AI combat is not well balanced at all which is a shame. I hope they rectify this in V.

Why not follow some of the tips I've provdided earlier in this thread ?

 

When you do the LCPD Vigilante missions, you should call Dwayne's back-up to get invloved, sh*t gets real crazy for real. It also looks more interesting to see two sets of criminal gangs shooting it out rather than having police getting invloved all the time. You can even just start trouble with other gangs and call Dwayne's boys and watch them get into massive gunfights with these gangs and you can just watch the whole thing.

 

Seeing police get involved in gunfights too much gets a bit boring for me, you see this all the time in GTA IV when playing the game normally, because the a**holes are f**king evereywhere anyway !! I don't always like having the police invloved in stuff like this.

this was done as an expriment my friend, an expriment to find out how well the damn police force copes against low life thugs. Turns out not to well

[Mr.Moffat]

 

Why in the hell can't there be dog fights as well i mean come on having peds climb into a chopper and shoot at a Black hawk would be just awesome. It would also be better if the more gang members there were the more cops show up. Also i will now tell you of an expirement i had on IV.

 

 

I first got in a cop car and headed straight to do gang missions, i kept doing those missions until i found the largest group i possibly could. I found this group of about 20 gang members held up in the parking area of the northwood hostpital, so this is when i did it. I instantly gave my self a 6* wanted level and waited for cops to show and boy did they show. There were about 200 of them when i took my wanted level off and then the battle began. Noose members got invovled in some fierce battles but many of them fell, not a single police man killed one of the gang members. That was until the FIB showed up. The men scrambled for cover but 6 were shot dead before that instinct hit them and another 6 were killed trying to make it to cover. when these men where in cover they were dangerous they took out the entire street by blowing up one single car. The street looked like a bomb had been dropped and only 3 FIB members remain they tried to get on thier feet but where all shot dead in the proccess.

 

I've experinced something like this on a mission, but after a while I realised the police were unable to kill the gang because the game would'nt let them, I saw one guy get shot 7 times and he did'nt flinch, perhaps this is what happened to you?, I mean in normal circumstances the noose teams destroy anything.

 

 

 

[Secura]

Why in the hell can't there be dog fights as well i mean come on having peds climb into a chopper and shoot at a Black hawk would be just awesome. It would also be better if the more gang members there were the more cops show up. Also i will now tell you of an expirement i had on IV.

 

 

I first got in a cop car and headed straight to do gang missions, i kept doing those missions until i found the largest group i possibly could. I found this group of about 20 gang members held up in the parking area of the northwood hostpital, so this is when i did it. I instantly gave my self a 6* wanted level and waited for cops to show and boy did they show. There were about 200 of them when i took my wanted level off and then the battle began. Noose members got invovled in some fierce battles but many of them fell, not a single police man killed one of the gang members. That was until the FIB showed up. The men scrambled for cover but 6 were shot dead before that instinct hit them and another 6 were killed trying to make it to cover. when these men where in cover they were dangerous they took out the entire street by blowing up one single car. The street looked like a bomb had been dropped and only 3 FIB members remain they tried to get on thier feet but where all shot dead in the proccess.

 

I've experinced something like this on a mission, but after a while I realised the police were unable to kill the gang because the game would'nt let them, I saw one guy get shot 7 times and he did'nt flinch, perhaps this is what happened to you?, I mean in normal circumstances the noose teams destroy anything.

I have just performed the same expriment on a llesser ammount of gang members, once again the police failed to do thier jobs. 3 bikers took out 2 NOOSE vans full of men and a car of FIB men + 4 normal patrol cars thats about 20 people. however its not that the cops didn't try its like the criminals had superior weapons and abilities

[Mr.Moffat]

 

I have just performed the same expriment on a llesser ammount of gang members, once again the police failed to do thier jobs. 3 bikers took out 2 NOOSE vans full of men and a car of FIB men + 4 normal patrol cars thats about 20 people. however its not that the cops didn't try its like the criminals had superior weapons and abilities 

 

Yeah they don'tseem to respond well to organised gang members, but randomley on the street they do, One thing they need to fix is to make the noose teams actually stay together in a team, there quite formidable if they get the drop on you when in a tem!!

[scottymactavish714]

I recently did a drug war (the stickup) and it was the one in dukes near the toll booth to bohan. theres a truck parked there and some tankers. anyways.

I blazed through the toll booth shot some cops to get those two stars and about 4 or 5 squad cars met me at the location. I did minimal damage to the NPC's unless they started really damaging me. But they mainly focused on the police. I had to keep both sides at bay and pretty soon Armando and Henrique were molotov-cocktailed to death. I even helped the cops a bit shooting at some of the druggies to get them to the disadvantage. I narrowed it down to two guys and they held it down for at least 30 minutes. The street was absolutely littered with guns cars and bodies. It was ridiculous. The cops had little to no effect on them. They both had AK47s but still. At least 30 cops were massacred. Its definitely unbalanced.

[Mr.Moffat]

After some experimenting, It does seem to be the case. Now the police at times do get the advantage, but the gang menbers are normally better armeed more numerous, and usually in better locations.

 

But even so its all down to the physics and AI that make it so enjoyable, the way npcs take cover and blind fire when under intense fire. Simple things like a shootout between cops and two gang members with shotguns. The firefight begins in hove beach. 2 vs 2. All the traafic stops and gets abandoned. firefight ensues eveeyone is in cover shooting at each other for a few minutes, they keep missing, the shotguns tear cars apart, tyres blowing, suspension rocking, then one shotgun blasts gets through the cab of a taxi and clips a cop, he reacts and stumbles out on to the street and promptl gets shot in the chest and goes down, on the floor squirming and shouting things like I never had a threeway. the other cop pops up and by pur luck gets a headshot in. the other gang member moves to anothe car, the cop reposistions aswell, moving out of sight behind a van, a shotgun blast is heard, the cop falls bakc into view on the floor, the gang memeber escapes, then the paramedics turn up! this is a true story, this happened between random peds, it was'nt on a mission or anything. this is what we need to see more of

[Official General]

The other day, I just created this real crazy shoot-out in a subway train station between Dwayne's boys and some North Holland Hustler gang members. I called up Dwayne's boys and we went downstairs into the subway train station in North Holland. There were a bunch of NHH gang members by the ticket gates just chillin'. To start it off, I pointed a gun at a gang member who pulled his out and fired at me, and Dwayne's boy's fired theirs and there was like 3 NHH gang members who were all armed and they pulled out their guns too, and began firing. Bullets flew and rained everywhere in the station. There were lots of screaming and shouting, people running away, and lots of innocent bystanders got struck by stray bullets in the process. The rival gang members all found safety and cover by hiding behind the brick pillars, while anyone in the way just simply got clipped by bullets. I saw so many inncocent people stagger away from the scene with bullet wounds. Some uniformed policemen came by and started to fire their guns too, also hitting innocent bystanders, they just did not have a clue. That sh*t was just pure murderous madness and mayhem. I did nothing but watch the whole thing unfold, damn that was one real vicious gunfight.

 

I did a similar thing in Beechwood City in The Ballad of Gay Tony. I saw Northwood Dominican drugs gang members hanging around in Beechwood City, which is Jamaican gang turf. I pointed a gun at a NDDD gang member and he pulled out his gun and fired. There was like 3 Jamaican gang members and 3 other NDDD gang members all armed with guns present nearby, and they just started firing guns at each other. The streets constantly echoed with gunfire and there was flashes and gunsmoke everywhere. An NDDD gang member just walked up to the entrance of the Homebrew Cafe and machine-gunned a Jamaican gang member to death with his Uzi. I also saw a Jamaican gang member step out of his car, took out his shotgun and he just blew away an NDDD gang member with one blast. Police did not turn up for a good while, and by the time they did, bodies were strewn all over the place !