Improve the framerate R*

[GKP]

I have played GTA since 1997 - it has never been the best looking game of its generation - due in part to the free roaming nature of the game world and constraints of console tech. The framerate of GTA4 is poor - get into a 4/5 star chase and watch both the 360/ps3 struggle to maintain a playable rate - apparently the problem is also evident in the DLC games as well. Please dont think I am advocating the PC version, although the PC I have runs it smoothly , for a lot of people, it doesnt.

 

I am really hoping that R* will optimise GTA5 whenever it reaches us, and not take the 'its good enough' attitude that they have. Take a car around the fountain in Dukes and tell me if that is acceptable ! - 30FPS is fine IF it is sustained, dips to 10 fps in heavy action really hurts playability.

 

It is taking R* an awful long time to bring the next game out - have you been duped by thinking the DLCs were fully fledged games ?, its been over 2.5 years since the last fully new GTA, it will be 4 by the time were likely to see the next (Spring 2012) - by then I can only hope that the PS3/360s neck is wrung for every ounce of performance.

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

 

I have played GTA since 1997 - it has never been the best looking game of its generation - due in part to the free roaming nature of the game world and constraints of console tech. The framerate of GTA4 is poor - get into a 4/5 star chase and watch both the 360/ps3 struggle to maintain a playable rate - apparently the problem is also evident in the DLC games as well. Please dont think I am advocating the PC version, although the PC I have runs it smoothly , for a lot of people, it doesnt.

 

I agree, they should optimize frame rate to the densest action on screen. But IMO they should be able to make the game in Full HD.

[GKP]

^ true, having the PS3 version myself I am disapointed that it is 640p res ! - the last time I mentioned this issue I had plenty of people piling in on me for bashing the game. The framerate IS poor regardless of blinkered views - very strange it is NEVER mentioned on the GTA4 sub forum ...

 

On the flip side, I was and still am very impresed by EUPHORIA phyics, really astounding that no 2 ped animations are the same when running them over, or nudging them....

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

I guess most people bought the xbox360, since it was cheaper, and hence don't compare graphics to Gran Turismo, like I do. But indeed, while gran turismo is the way the graphics ought to be (Full HD), GTA has traditionally been about the gameplay, not the graphics. So, I'm not really complaining, just wishing they could do better.

[CW_Wonder]

I must comment on this: I don't think increasing the framerate can be done just like that. Sure, Rockstar North could, and should, optimize the engine and fine-tune the game further, but due to the immense amounts of stuff on screen at once and the relatively aged hardware on the PS3 and Xbox 360 it is difficult to achieve high or even stable framerates. This has been a problem in every console GTA title and I suspect it will be for the next few games, at least.

 

About the Gran Turismo 5 comment: you should know that the game renders internally at a lower resolution; I believe it was 1280x1080 or something. It is then upscaled, which then causes some graphical problems, mostly aliasing. Aliasing is also present on the PS3 version of GTA IV, most likely due to the fact that it also is upscaled from 640p to 720p. Full HD graphics wouldn't in any situation with current hardware be feasible on consoles, because they simply do not have enough processing power to handle rendering the huge and complicated environments in 1920x1080.

 

But who knows what the PlayStation 4 and Xbox [insert generic 360 successor title here] will bring with them.

 

(I definitely would be all in for higher framerates and resolutions, just saying, it might be pretty difficult for Rockstar)

[Kratos2000]

@CW_Wonder:

Sure... then it's just a miracle how GOW, Crysis 2 or other super heavy games work on these consoles.

[Finn 7 five 11]

This is why i might start pc gaming ^^ because it is getting too expensive for a load of outdated crap, that runs games poorly compared to a slightly higher priced (built yourself pc).

 

Consoles are behind and they limit our gaming.

[Ash_735]

It's all down to the engine, RAGE is an Xbox 360 oriented engine and even then it's not exactly the most brilliant, PS3 games suffer from downgraded graphics because the engine is set to the Xbox 360's GPU set up, meanwhile most of the PS3 SPU's get ignored, that's why games like GT5, GOW3, Uncharted, etc, look brilliant, they are all designed to take advantage of the SPU's to ease massive loads off the GPU. As for the PC versions, whilst RAGE works on PC, it's still a very bloated engine and performance hog for what it's doing, Ironic enough the PC version of RAGE is very CPU heavy.

[GKP]

thank you for not accusing me of bashing - I recall mentioning the same issue years ago for SA and other people were swearing blind that it was buttery smooth ! .

 

I believe R* can improve upon the gfx performance in the next GTA , only because by then, the RAGE engine itself should have been tweaked, lets not forget GTA4 had been worked on since 04 - before the PS3 was even out. I believe 720p should be a target resolution .

 

Any thoughts on release date, I believe we will see another Spring release April 2012 with some announcement of one sort or another at E3.

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

About the Gran Turismo 5 comment: you should know that the game renders internally at a lower resolution; I believe it was 1280x1080 or something. It is then upscaled, which then causes some graphical problems, mostly aliasing. Aliasing is also present on the PS3 version of GTA IV, most likely due to the fact that it also is upscaled from 640p to 720p. Full HD graphics wouldn't in any situation with current hardware be feasible on consoles, because they simply do not have enough processing power to handle rendering the huge and complicated environments in 1920x1080.

 

But who knows what the PlayStation 4 and Xbox [insert generic 360 successor title here] will bring with them.

 

(I definitely would be all in for higher framerates and resolutions, just saying, it might be pretty difficult for Rockstar)

Thank you for being more accurate. I was just saying, GranTurismo 5 graphics would be the standard to go for.

[CW_Wonder]

 

@CW_Wonder:

Sure... then it's just a miracle how GOW, Crysis 2 or other super heavy games work on these consoles.

But do those games have ridiculous amounts of explosions, pedestrians, cops, cars and other stuff on screen at once?

 

And besides, the RAGE engine is relatively inefficient. It uses a lot of resources (especially on PC) yet its graphical output doesn't really match its resource hogging.

 

And I know, I know, Crysis 2 looks beautiful and GOW isn't a ugly and light game either. But both have engines which have been designed to use all the power available and also are running a relatively limited environment. With GTA, anything can really happen. The environments are huge and the amount of AI needed is also huge, and the AI also is generally unpredictable.

 

Don't also forget that Rockstar seem to be pretty bad at programming on the PS3. You'd think they could handle the console after it being out for over four years, but apparently not.

 

EDIT: As also pointed out, RAGE is best suited for the Xbox 360. The PS3 versions continue to suffer from this.

[ikt]

GTA never was optimised. Every GTA game had amazingly high minimum specs for its time.

[Mr. Scratch]

Well the physics ate alot of the framerate when in use for ex when running over 12 or more peds the game strugles to use the physics well

[Kwandilibro]

This is why i might start pc gaming ^^ because it is getting too expensive for a load of outdated crap, that runs games poorly compared to a slightly higher priced (built yourself pc).

 

Consoles are behind and they limit our gaming.

$1200 is slightly higher than $300?

[xNewtype Acex]

 

This is why i might start pc gaming ^^ because it is getting too expensive for a load of outdated crap, that runs games poorly compared to a slightly higher priced (built yourself pc).

 

Consoles are behind and they limit our gaming.

$1200 is slightly higher than $300?

Kwan, you act like a typical console fanboy with that post.

 

You can build a great gaming PC for around 500-600 and a killer one (will last you a long time) for 700-800. Not only do you get everything you can do on PC, but you get the best version of multi-plats, mods and Steam sales.

 

Saying you need $1200 for a gaming PC is pure ignorance. Companies like Alienware or Voodoo are way overpriced, it's always best to build it yourself.

[Kwandilibro]

This is why i might start pc gaming ^^ because it is getting too expensive for a load of outdated crap, that runs games poorly compared to a slightly higher priced (built yourself pc).

 

Consoles are behind and they limit our gaming.

$1200 is slightly higher than $300?

Kwan, you act like a typical console fanboy with that post.

 

You can build a great gaming PC for around 500-600 and a killer one (will last you a long time) for 700-800. Not only do you get everything you can do on PC, but you get the best version of multi-plats, mods and Steam sales.

 

Saying you need $1200 for a gaming PC is pure ignorance. Companies like Alienware or Voodoo are way overpriced, it's always best to build it yourself.

$500-$600 is still higher than $300. Anyway, I want to see some links as to where you're getting these prices from. Because the last time I checked, gaming pc's (laptops atleast) were f*cking expensive.

 

Seriously, though. I want to see these low prices.

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

You can build a great gaming PC for around 500-600 and a killer one (will last you a long time) for 700-800. Not only do you get everything you can do on PC, but you get the best version of multi-plats, mods and Steam sales.

What's your definition of long time?

[Finn 7 five 11]

If you buy a pc for gaming, you are clearly an idiot, or just very lazy, either you build one, or at least select the parts and get someone else to build it.

 

SO don't exagerrate prices just because you are a console fanboy.

I do also play on console but since i am not as ignorant as some i admit pc is much better value for money, for the same price you can build a pc for that is 2-3times more powerful than a console (provided you have a screen which also applies to console since you need a tv).

 

GTA on pc is much better if you have a decent computer since you can so many more NPC's running at once.

 

 

What's your definition of long time?

 

Ok so you buy a console every lets say 5 years when a new one is released, ps3 when new cost almost $$1000 and you could back play (a pc 2-3 times as good like i said is about $600) now it cannot back play and in aus a 320GB ps3 is about $500, and cannot back play.

 

Well i built that pc for $600 and it can play just about every game ever released for PC, and it will continue to play newer and newer games, and instead of having to ditch all my old games and buy a new console when it comes out, i can simply upgrade my graphics card, it might not even be nessecary, which could cost 20$300 compared to $500, or even $700-$800 dollars (price of a newly released console)

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So whichhas more long term value mr fan boys?

Edited January 6, 2011 by finn4life

[MiamiVice1984]

Why is everyone saying PC is the best when multiplatform games for PC looks sh*t! all the multiplatform games i play on PC looks soo bad for example GTA IV the game is laggy and the textures are jagged as f*ck the game looks and runs terrible for PC and so is alot of other multiplatform games. Like it or not PC is not for multiplatform games so go f*ck yourself.

Edited January 6, 2011 by MiamiVice1984

[xNewtype Acex]

This is why i might start pc gaming ^^ because it is getting too expensive for a load of outdated crap, that runs games poorly compared to a slightly higher priced (built yourself pc).

 

Consoles are behind and they limit our gaming.

$1200 is slightly higher than $300?

Kwan, you act like a typical console fanboy with that post.

 

You can build a great gaming PC for around 500-600 and a killer one (will last you a long time) for 700-800. Not only do you get everything you can do on PC, but you get the best version of multi-plats, mods and Steam sales.

 

Saying you need $1200 for a gaming PC is pure ignorance. Companies like Alienware or Voodoo are way overpriced, it's always best to build it yourself.

$500-$600 is still higher than $300. Anyway, I want to see some links as to where you're getting these prices from. Because the last time I checked, gaming pc's (laptops atleast) were f*cking expensive.

 

Seriously, though. I want to see these low prices.

It's a higher price, but in the long run much more worth it. Also I told you: pre-built computers (especially laptops) will always be MUCH MORE expensive than building it yourself. You're not only paying for the components, but also for man hours and brand name.

 

Here are some links where you can get cheap parts and specials:

 

http://www.newegg.com/

http://www.tigerdirect.com/

http://www.computerpartsusa.com/

 

These are some of the best sites to buy parts, also look on google for combos on parts.

 

Seriously the hard part of building a computer is not actually building it, but looking for the right parts at the right price, work with a budget and you'll know what you can buy and can't, also remember you don't need a $400 graphics card or a $1200 processor to run the latest games at high settings.

 

[Finn 7 five 11]

It depends on your PC.

Usually quality if you ahve a good pc can be the same if not better, but sometimes PC users are subject to shotty ports.

 

Again i am not a biased Pc fanboy since i rarely play games on PC, i am a console gamer, but one who admits consoles are weak machines.

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Miami do you/ have you played any current gen games on PC

[Ash_735]

How the hell has a topic about Rockstar's crappy RAGE engine needing more work got on to another damn Fanboy V Fanboy battle?

[MiamiVice1984]

It depends on your PC.

Usually quality if you ahve a good pc can be the same if not better, but sometimes PC users are subject to shotty ports.

 

Again i am not a biased Pc fanboy since i rarely play games on PC, i am a console gamer, but one who admits consoles are weak machines.

/

Miami do you/ have you played any current gen games on PC

Ofc i have i even have a gaming PC but im not playing games on it anymore becuse of multiplatform games looks and runs sh*t on the PC.

[xNewtype Acex]

Why is everyone saying PC is the best when multiplatform games for PC looks sh*t! all the multiplatform games i play on PC looks soo bad for example GTA IV the game is laggy and the textures are jagged as f*ck the game looks and runs terrible for PC and so is alot of other multiplatform games.

I'mma give you the prize for biggest f*cking retard of the forum. Your post screams of you being 12.

 

Any game that has a PC version looks way better on PC, why? Games are FPS capped on consoles, if you think the best looking console game looks better than the best looking PC game on high settings at 1920 x 1480 running at 60+ FPS with 16XAA then you are mentally retarded.

 

The only reason GTA IV runs like sh*t on PC is because R* apparently forgot how to optimize games, and even since then patches and (another advantage of PC) custom patches and MODS (look for ENB series for GTA IV and then tell me consoles look better) not only make each multi-plat on PC superior but extend the life and quality of the game.

[MiamiVice1984]

 

Why is everyone saying PC is the best when multiplatform games for PC looks sh*t! all the multiplatform games i play on PC looks soo bad for example GTA IV the game is laggy and the textures are jagged as f*ck the game looks and runs terrible for PC and so is alot of other multiplatform games.

I'mma give you the prize for biggest f*cking retard of the forum. Your post screams of you being 12.

 

Any game that has a PC version looks way better on PC, why? Games are FPS capped on consoles, if you think the best looking console game looks better than the best looking PC game on high settings at 1920 x 1480 running at 60+ FPS with 16XAA then you are mentally retarded.

 

The only reason GTA IV runs like sh*t on PC is because R* apparently forgot how to optimize games, and even since then patches and (another advantage of PC) custom patches and MODS (look for ENB series for GTA IV and then tell me consoles look better) not only make each multi-plat on PC superior but extend the life and quality of the game.

And you my friend post here on forums like you know everything and you dont know f*ck all so shut the f*ck up! And im not 12. Multiplatform games on PC looks and runs sh*t end of story. Dont like it? go f*ck yourself!

[killdrivetheftvehicle]

The only reason GTA IV runs like sh*t on PC is because R* apparently forgot how to optimize games, and even since then patches and (another advantage of PC) custom patches and MODS (look for ENB series for GTA IV and then tell me consoles look better) not only make each multi-plat on PC superior but extend the life and quality of the game.

There are "patches" on consoles as well: they are called updates.

[xNewtype Acex]

Why is everyone saying PC is the best when multiplatform games for PC looks sh*t! all the multiplatform games i play on PC looks soo bad for example GTA IV the game is laggy and the textures are jagged as f*ck the game looks and runs terrible for PC and so is alot of other multiplatform games.

I'mma give you the prize for biggest f*cking retard of the forum. Your post screams of you being 12.

 

Any game that has a PC version looks way better on PC, why? Games are FPS capped on consoles, if you think the best looking console game looks better than the best looking PC game on high settings at 1920 x 1480 running at 60+ FPS with 16XAA then you are mentally retarded.

 

The only reason GTA IV runs like sh*t on PC is because R* apparently forgot how to optimize games, and even since then patches and (another advantage of PC) custom patches and MODS (look for ENB series for GTA IV and then tell me consoles look better) not only make each multi-plat on PC superior but extend the life and quality of the game.

And you my friend post here on forums like you know everything and you dont know f*ck all so shut the f*ck up! And im not 12.

Except the main difference is I post with FACTS, not OPINIONS and at least I know what I'm talking about instead of just blindly spewing bullsh*t.

 

Also you're not 12, I was kidding, you're 13.

[TheTomster]

I don't understand why everyone is saying GT5 is the standard for PS3 graphics? If it really is, I'm quite let down, I bought a PS3 and GT5, and the graphics are a bit subpar when actually racing... in photo-mode, it's all great, and in the menus it's all great, but if this is the best PS3 has to offer, I'll stick to PC.

 

And to the kid saying PC GTA IV is terrible:

Tell me THAT ^^^ isn't f*cking amazing. ENB series with a snow mod. Can't get that on consoles.

Edited January 6, 2011 by TheTomster

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

And you my friend post here on forums like you know everything and you dont know f*ck all so shut the f*ck up! And im not 12.

 

Real mature, since you obviously know nothing about gaming and don't understand the difference between high resolution and FPS and low Resolution and FPS, you resort to an insult, just because one of your games runs not so well on your (i am assuming) not so good computer you assume that every single multiplatform game runs like sh*t, you are the one who seems to think they know all.

 

I don't think newtype is under the impression he knows all, but at least he knows what he is talking about.

[xNewtype Acex]

The only reason GTA IV runs like sh*t on PC is because R* apparently forgot how to optimize games, and even since then patches and (another advantage of PC) custom patches and MODS (look for ENB series for GTA IV and then tell me consoles look better) not only make each multi-plat on PC superior but extend the life and quality of the game.

There are "patches" on consoles as well: they are called updates.

What about the games that have bugs that never get fixed? That's were custom patches come in, created by users, they fix all the bugs the developers didn't.

 

 

Multiplatform games on PC looks and runs sh*t end of story.

 

This is what tips me off that you're a pre-teen, you get confronted by facts and you just cover your ears and go "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"