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The Dark Knight Rises


Vanilla Shake

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Vanilla Shake

The rumors keep coming. Right now it's rumored that both the Black Mask and Deadshot will be villains in TDKR.

 

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Sounds like bullsh*t. Also sounds kinda boring.

 

Deadshot? Who the f*ck? (Excuse my Batman ignorance but I've never really collected/read comics)

 

Really think Scarecrow needs to be a major villain with one new one.

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Really think Scarecrow needs to be a major villain with one new one.

Problem with that is Batman captured Jonathon Crane/Scarecrow at the beginning of The Dark Knight, as he was still on the loose at the end of Batman Begins. He's more than likely locked up in Arkham.

 

I have a strong feeling they'll be going with a lesser known villain in this one, like Hugo Strange and/or Talia al Ghul.

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But Tom Hardy was spotted with a baldy/short cut and growing a wee beard, so he must be prepping for Hugo Strange! Or so rumors say...

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Really think Scarecrow needs to be a major villain with one new one.

Lets see here...

 

Scarecrow was the villiain in the first one and he had a cameo in the second one.

 

I really doubt that he would be appearing in the third one. Oh and I just realized Nolan worked with the Scarecrow actor (I forgot his name) with Inception too so who knows?

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Just thinking that without Joker or Two Face we could use one supervillain returning alongside whoever else is going to be the new villain. But seeing as I haven't seen Cillian Murphy's name anywhere yet, you could be right. Maybe giving him a big role in Inception was Nolan's way of compensating tounge.gif

 

Having said that, the quote Nolan gave when asked about villains in the new movie suggests it could happen. “It won’t be the Riddler,” Nolan said, “We’ll use many of the same characters as we have all along, and we’ll be introducing some new ones.” If we assume Dent is dead, surely that only leaves Scarecrow as a returning character?

 

I think Catwoman very possible in Nolan's world but a return to al Ghul in the form of Talia in the third film would be a bit strange. As it's already been said, each film doesn't really follow specific the plot of the last so returning to the story of Liam Neeson's character in the third film would be odd. I think it's going to be a completely new villain. Maybe Nolan's just f*cking with us all and it is gonna be Riddler after all. It would be a safe, exciting choice that would appeal to a wide audience. Black Mask/Hugo Strange etc would probably be a better villain but would they risk the marketability of the franchise on a villain not really known to those who don't read the comics?

 

Either way, I can't see another villain putting asses on cinema seats like Ledger's Joker. Hardy's Riddler just might come close.

 

(Excuse my cynical tone but I guarantee the "marketability" of a villain will have been taken into account lol.)

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The rumors keep coming. Right now it's rumored that both the Black Mask and Deadshot will be villains in TDKR.

 

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Well, Deadshot already had his appearance in Gotham Knight, which occurs between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, where he turned out to just be a coward with a death penalty. Although he's a fairly interesting character, I just don't see Nolan wasting his time on him in comparison to all the other choices that, in my opinion, heed more potential.

 

And as far as the Hugo Strange rumors, I wonder how exactly he'll be executed if this rumor is fact. I mean, they already used the concept of contaminating the water for Batman Begins and I doubt Nolan would have Strange create "mindless brutes." And I think Nolan explored the whole idea of Batman imposters well enough.

 

But I suppose the mere fact that he either attempts to find or succeeds in finding Batman's identity is reason enough. Assuming the inclusion of Talia al Ghul is true, maybe Strange is sought by Talia, or vice versa, in her plot for revenge? I don't know...

 

But I think Nolan is better than that. That's why I sort of cringe at the thought of Talia; we know Nolan can do much better without retracing steps.

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Well, think about where we're at with the story - we're probably going to see a false idol rise from the underworld. Someone the city can look up to while hunting down Batman.

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Well, think about where we're at with the story - we're probably going to see a false idol rise from the underworld.  Someone the city can look up to while hunting down Batman.

True. I suppose Nolan can express this concept without the extent of having Strange dress up as Batman? Well, unless Nolan plans to do so in a very interesting way.

 

But I suppose I'm a little weary about the inclusion of lesser known characters. It's both a great and yet dangerous idea; although this may open up a world for either an audience who has never seen them on screen or an audience who has never heard of them at all, there'll be a large demand on Nolan regarding the characterizations and the plot that utilizes them. I mean, you know having an extremely successful Batman movie that included The Joker will be a tough act to follow...

 

Or maybe Nolan has us exactly where he wants us. He has our attention. He'll prove that the choice of characters won't defer the quality of a movie, as well as progress an expansion of Batman cinema that hadn't been explored before. In other words, "The Joker is cool and all, but I want something completely different, and I still want it good."

 

 

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Official press release from Warner Brothers confirms Anne Hathaway and Tom Hardy playing Catwoman and Bane respectively

 

I wasn't expecting Catwoman at all, but I like Hathaway as an actress so it'll be interesting...It certainly can't be more of a disaster than the self titled film. And Tom Hardy will rock socks in any role icon14.gif I'm only a very casual batman fan so it'll be interesting to read how you guys think these roles will play out.

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...do you think he has the balls to kill Batman?

Would prevent the studio giving another director control of Nolan's lore lol.

 

And Bane, really? Wow. That will be an interesting one.

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Anne Hathaway as Catwoman? Really? And while I love Tom Hardy, I wasn't thinking they'd go the Bane route.

 

While I still have faith, this is starting to sound like it will not live up to The Dark Knight, or even Batman Begins.

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I think BB and TDK were very phsycological films with great action set pieces. Why do I get the impression TDKR is just going to be fist-fight after fist-fight between Batman and Bane with Catwoman chirping in with the odd sassy comment? Like a Batman film from the old franchise.

 

Nah probably not. Still trust Nolan. Nothing from his filmography suggests it's going to be any less mind-f*cking than the last two Batman films and Inception. But with Bane and Catwoman involved you just never know.

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Bane?

 

Wow, I'm pumped. cool.gif

 

 

...do you think he has the balls to kill Batman?

 

Now with Bane in the mix, I'm starting to wonder if that's Nolan's plan...

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I'm alright with Bane. Nolan's version of him should get the bad taste out of our mouths from the Batman & Robin version of him.

 

I'm just not digging Selina Kyle/Catwoman and Anne Hathaway. I don't see her topping Michelle Pfeiffer's performance in Batman Returns.

 

And seeing as how the title of the film is The Dark Knight Rises, I doubt Nolan's going to kill Batman off. The way I see it, by the end of the film Bruce will either have accepted the fact that Gotham will need Batman for as long as he's around, or the city will find hope with a new hero "with a face", like Harvey Dent was, and Bruce will finally be able to hang up his cape and live his ordinary billionaire life.

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And seeing as how the title of the film is The Dark Knight Rises, I doubt Nolan's going to kill Batman off. The way I see it, by the end of the film Bruce will either have accepted the fact that Gotham will need Batman for as long as he's around, or the city will find hope with a new hero "with a face", like Harvey Dent was, and Bruce will finally be able to hang up his cape and live his ordinary billionaire life.

Not a bad idea that actually. Like how Gordon says at the end of TDK, "the night is darkest before the dawn". Maybe the dark literally rises and there's a new dawn in Gotham.

 

But that's far too upbeat for a Nolan film tounge.gif

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Catwoman and Bane? I was not the slightest bit interested in TDKR up until this point. While I'm not sure about Anne Hathaway as Seline Kyle, I'm still up for Nolan's interpretation of those characters.

 

With the announcement of Bane, there's only one logical route they can take the story:

 

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And seeing as how the title of the film is The Dark Knight Rises, I doubt Nolan's going to kill Batman off. The way I see it, by the end of the film Bruce will either have accepted the fact that Gotham will need Batman for as long as he's around, or the city will find hope with a new hero "with a face", like Harvey Dent was, and Bruce will finally be able to hang up his cape and live his ordinary billionaire life.

Not a bad idea that actually. Like how Gordon says at the end of TDK, "the night is darkest before the dawn". Maybe the dark literally rises and there's a new dawn in Gotham.

 

But that's far too upbeat for a Nolan film tounge.gif

Doesn't seem far too upbeat for a Nolan film. Even though The Dark Knight ended on a bit of a down-note, there were still some positives, like the city not losing hope by discovering the crimes Harvey committed because Batman sacrificed himself, and Gordon's speech at the very end.

 

Plus, look at the ending of Inception (though, some people may still debate that). That had an upbeat yet satisfying ending in my opinion. Ended on a high-note, and that's how I think Nolan's gonna wrap up this trilogy.

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I really like Tom Hardy playing Bane. I think Nolan could definitely do justice to the character as most people seem to think he's just a mindless brute after his previous film incarnation. Catwoman I'm not so sure about though. Don't really care for the character or the actress, and unless Nolan brings something fresh to the table (which, knowing Nolan, he probably will) it's gonna take a lot for that to change.

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I really like Tom Hardy playing Bane. I think Nolan could definitely do justice to the character as most people seem to think he's just a mindless brute after his previous film incarnation. Catwoman I'm not so sure about though. Don't really care for the character or the actress, and unless Nolan brings something fresh to the table (which, knowing Nolan, he probably will) it's gonna take a lot for that to change.

Knowing Nolan, Bane is gonna be portrayed the way he was initially meant to be portrayed. And I have no doubt that Hardy can pull it off. One example I can think of is his role in Star Trek Nemesis playing the villain. He was excellent in pulling off such a smart and ruthless character. I'm also still on the fence regarding Catwoman (especially the casting choice), but I'm not gonna be cynical about it. We've still got over a year and a half until this hits theaters.

 

I am gonna miss the Joker's theme tune in the movie though. I hope the film's score blows me away like TDK's score did.

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I'm alright with Bane. Nolan's version of him should get the bad taste out of our mouths from the Batman & Robin version of him.

I agree, cause he surely did with Batman Forever's Two-Face.

 

 

I'm just not digging Selina Kyle/Catwoman and Anne Hathaway. I don't see her topping Michelle Pfeiffer's performance in Batman Returns.

 

 

As with anything, there's always room for improving the last, but I love Pfeiffer's Catwoman, too; She is what I always seen Catwoman as. (lol Halle Berry)

 

 

And seeing as how the title of the film is The Dark Knight Rises, I doubt Nolan's going to kill Batman off. The way I see it, by the end of the film Bruce will either have accepted the fact that Gotham will need Batman for as long as he's around, or the city will find hope with a new hero "with a face", like Harvey Dent was, and Bruce will finally be able to hang up his cape and live his ordinary billionaire life.

 

I understand, but when I see the name "Bane" come up, I think of, as Jacky Fiend put as so:

 

 

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If this is really true I'll be really f*cking happy. I really hope Bane will be done justice this time. I was kind of thinking Javier Bardem more when it came to Bane but whatever, can't have everything.

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Bane is typically depicted through the other Batman films as a stupid brute character. When in-fact he is one of Batman's smartest and deadly foes, actually managing to break his back in the comics. Hardy as Bane is fantastic, the character in general is a perfect titular villain for the last film featuring a totally different style to the previous Batman villains.

 

Catwoman is a stellar addition as well, as it leaves open another romance sub-plot after Rachel. Anne Hathaway was a unusual choice but a good one. She adapted well to the roll in The Devil Wears Prada (actually decent film, OMG but it's for girlz!!!!). It's a good career choice for Hathaway as she's only ever acted in romantic/comedy/drama films rather than something more action packed and dark like TDKR. So it's a big gamble on Nolan's part, but I'm sure he went through the right casting procedures, we haven't been let down by a film of his yet.

 

But I was thinking Nolan was going to go the Talia Al Ghul route. Which would of been more viable, as you could've brought the story more or less full circe. Still Catwoman ahoy!

 

 

 

If this is really true I'll be really f*cking happy. I really hope Bane will be done justice this time. I was kind of thinking Javier Bardem more when it came to Bane but whatever, can't have everything.

 

I seriously could not see Bardem as Bane at all.

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I was hoping that Charlize Theron will somehow end up being Catwoman. Oh well, Anne Hathaway is a good actress. She should be able to pull it off. Knowing Nolan, both Bane and Catwoman will be completely different characters from anything our tiny brains can imagine. So it's safe to assume that he knows what he's doing.

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Anne Hathaway's gorgeous enough... but has she got the curves? The feline grace? I hope she does some serious work to get in the right shape for this, otherwise she's gonna fall flat next to Bale.

 

Speaking of Bale, does anyone know why the hell he looks like Jesus these days? What's with the hair extensions?

 

Oh PS - I totally called Catwoman. tounge.gif

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I couldn't see a better enemy for an end than Bane. The previous films would have switched around a bit in terms of villains, but Bane is definitely the ending. Hardy is a f*cking superb actor, and he'll play the part well for sure. In the last film we saw the fall of the entire crime hierarchy of Gotham, along with the murders of all the major players. I'm thinking Bane is going to fill the void and start some sort of criminal empire. He'll obviously give Batman a run for his money, but I'm still unsure of weather Nolan will make the antagonist have a personal grudge, or just a random hatred of Batman and what he is.

 

Catwoman is a huge turn of what I saw coming, but coupled with Bane I think it's a wonderful idea. She's a slick, thieving contrast to Bane's brute force and intelligence. I'm sure one of the two will play the role of sociopath and start massive manipulating of the other. Also sort of obvious that Catwoman will be a love interest. Maybe she'll turn sides and end up helping Batman in the end - or better yet play a completely opposing force to both sides.

 

Whatever the decisions, I still want this piece to be as good as The Dark Knight. Better, even. If this is truly the ending to the trilogy, I want an award winning film that tops it's predecessor by all means. I'm tired of endings that don't hold up to the bulk of the story.

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If this is really true I'll be really f*cking happy. I really hope Bane will be done justice this time. I was kind of thinking Javier Bardem more when it came to Bane but whatever, can't have everything.

 

I seriously could not see Bardem as Bane at all.

He would be hidden by a mask the entire time so all you'd really need is someone who sounds smart and menacing and you know.....could sound South American. I mean the character doesn't necessarily need to be EXACTLY like the character in the comics but it would be nice touch. Like the portrayal of Bane in the animated series.

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Lol @ Tom Hardy doing a South American accent. Wouldn't rule anything out but I can't see it myself unless he worked really, really hard on getting it right.

 

Anyone think Nolan was looking at Bronson when he decided on Hardy as Bane? Haven't seen it myself yet but I'm sure gonna go check it out soon. Wouldn't be the first time a cast member would be cast for a role in one of Nolan's Batman films on the basis of a previous performance; didn't Bale get the Batman gig for his work in American Psycho?

 

Was looking at some of Hardy's work on YouTube, this video from Bronson has me thinking Bane. Tough bastard, a bit crazy etc. It might be spoiler for Bronson (not sure, like I say I haven't seen it) but I doubt it gives much away in terms of story. Or maybe it does, I dunno. Either way if you're planning on watching Bronson, WARNING POTENTIAL SPOILER.

 

 

 

If nothing else this shows the, er, fearlessness of Hardy's acting.

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