Crossovers

[The Lolwut Pear]

This is a small rant, and yes, I know I'm partly responsible for this.

 

What's up with all these obsessions with crossovers recently? Ever since MOB and akavari112 crossed with Tales From Liberty City (An excellent topic by the way, and the only truly great crossover I know in these concept threads), everyone is obsessed with crossovers...

I mean, what the hell? I'm not going to point fingers at anyone, but nearly every topic I visit has some kind of crossover with another persons topic. And although well done, these can be a delight, most are sh*tty and really don't make much sense.

 

I have spoken.

 

[BlueCheer]

i agree. it doesn't make sense that a full game concept would crossover with a dlc for a completely different game.

[Mati]

Well, I kinda agree with you but if a crossover is kept small and has no major part then there is nothing wrong with that. CFLC had too much crossovers.

[The Lolwut Pear]

Well, I kinda agree with you but if a crossover is kept small and has no major part then there is nothing wrong with that. CFLC had too much crossovers.

Actually that's precicely my point: Most crossovers don't even make sense inside the story they're featured in.

[Akavari]

Oh Lolwut Pear...

 

I feel like some people just use crossovers for lack of creative content in their story, and sometimes the crossovers don't even accomplish or explain anything. It will be like "4 dis mission u lyke try n kill Faustin but Niko kills him 1st so you haf to escape an army of NOOSE"

[Cheat]

What do you mean, exactly? Crossovers with IV/other GTA's, or crossovers with other people's concept threads?

 

'Cause crossovers with real GTA's are just cool (kinda defending my own thread, lol), atleast if done the right way, but crossovers with other people's concepts? Stupid - unless done with concentration and co-operation along with the other parties - like Tales from Liberty City.

[Sanjeem]

Oh Lolwut Pear...

 

I feel like some people just use crossovers for lack of creative content in their story, and sometimes the crossovers don't even accomplish or explain anything. It will be like "4 dis mission u lyke try n kill Faustin but Niko kills him 1st so you haf to escape an army of NOOSE"

I agree though with Lolwut because this is almost true now. The only DLC's that actually explained anything or the most are TLAD and Tbogt and although, ideas on here mentioning Akavari's, Yours lolwut peanut and also mob's code of the street, other DLC's like Champs and Luis-bellics are great ideas and are well respected for the work put in but they don't explain alot of things left out in IV's story because most of it has been covered.

 

The only logical thing to do next for anyone really is if they are going to create a concept thread it should be a completly new game with character's from old GTA's like IV.

 

I'm going to use Grand theft auto dudes Vice topic who is no longer around anymore. This explains or is an idea of what happens to the Diamonds, and is very good to be honest.

 

recently in my thread i have included what happens to Phil Bell after the Pegorino family is dismantled and where he goes, because we hear nothing after this happens. And those are just a few examples of what i mean. Tyla's London topics includes Derrick Mcreary and Bucky Sligo if i'm not wrong and what they did before they were in LC. Things like that...

[Tyla]

I think the main problem here is people are taking self-created characters, characters that people have put the hours in to construct and giving them agendas, and placing them in crossover situations that they have very little reason or likely motivation for being in. I can see the frustration in this, but why not just say no to the idea in the first place? I know it seems some people cannot take no for an answer, but ultimately the right is yours to choose. I believe crossovers with real characters are fine and I love to see them as long as they have a well fleshed out reason for being there.

 

I do think you guys should sort this out amongst yourselves though. Nothing will be achieved here but humiliation. Second thread this week about the subject I believe.

[Sanjeem]

What we need is a few Board leaders (Not exactly Mods or Admins) just a group of people to decide on this, create a topic somwhere else or find a solution to discuss the matter, and how it can be controlled. Like league of Nations but without the Veto system.

 

So these people who act as a sort of commission decide weather a topic should stay and weather it should be locked. And maybe asking sombody to pin a topic about this matter, with new fletched out rules on what should and shoudn't be posted.

[Akavari]

What we need is a few Board leaders (Not exactly Mods or Admins) just a group of people to decide on this, create a topic somwhere else or find a solution to discuss the matter, and how it can be controlled. Like league of Nations but without the Veto system.

 

So these people who act as a sort of commission decide weather a topic should stay and weather it should be locked. And maybe asking sombody to pin a topic about this matter, with new fletched out rules on what should and shoudn't be posted.

Maybe like a committee of people who will criticize and rate all new concept threads. If the thread is too weak or poorly done it can be locked, encouraging people to work harder on their topic before posting it. They'd also give a lot of constructive criticism to help improve the thread.

[Tyla]

Y'know, I was thinking about proposing this to a mod before, but could a Social Club akin to WD suffice to contribute to this section? A place to discuss concept threads, crossovers, plots, ask for feedback on new content, and so on. Maybe it wouldn't stop this problem, because the problem mentioned here has been created by people being too generous with their characters, but it could serve as a base for all concept related talk instead of threads like this popping up, or people's concepts reaching 300-400 pages through the mere participation of two or three people. I would hate to see this section we've been moved to go downhill because of petty squabbling.

 

What are thoughts on this? Could it help?

[Kwandilibro]

This was the other topic regarding the matter.

 

However, I think it still boils down to effort. If members refuse to think out these crossovers properly, they're going to come out like crap, plain and simple. I personally thought they were fine at first, but people are really overdoing it. Now, there's like 900 topics, all crossing over with each other in irrelevant ways. I won't bother to bring up names, since these members know who they are, but enough is enough. Between the crossovers and IV DLC's, this forum is getting cluttered with absolute junk. Why the hell does there need to be a crossover between 2 topics, that only involves one unimportant mission? Or made up characters crossing over with real characters in IV DLC's? It just doesn't even make sense. As I stated before, I support the idea of [a certain party] reviewing each topic before it's posted (or after), and deciding if it should be allowed to be posted (or kept open). Topics that fail to meet certain standards need to be locked, or even binned. Enough of this monkey sh*t.

Edited December 18, 2010 by Kwandilibro

[Sanjeem]

Y'know, I was thinking about proposing this to a mod before, but could a Social Club akin to WD suffice to contribute to this section? A place to discuss concept threads, crossovers, plots, ask for feedback on new content, and so on. Maybe it wouldn't stop this problem, because the problem mentioned here has been created by people being too generous with their characters, but it could serve as a base for all concept related talk instead of threads like this popping up, or people's concepts reaching 300-400 pages through the mere participation of two or three people. I would hate to see this section we've been moved to go downhill because of petty squabbling.

 

What are thoughts on this? Could it help?

We don't have to exactly tell the Mods about this, i mean bassically it could be alot simpler that what you have described. Pick 4 people or so, people who have been on the forums a while and created decent enough topics to understand what is acceptable and not and bassically when a topic is not up to standard you could discuss amongst the 4 and ask a Mod to lock it.

 

It really woudn't be that hard i don't think, only it would be better if we alerted the Mod of this agreement, i mean all we are trying to do is make this section better

[TommyMufc-Champs]

LuisBellic does too many crossovers

[Sanjeem]

The Solution i think is really no more DLC's for IV, i think we can all agree, most aspects have been covered, keep it like that.

 

 

[TommyMufc-Champs]

Nobody done a Hillside Posse one (accept from me)

[Akavari]

Nobody done a Hillside Posse one (accept from me)

But anyone can come up with a DLC if the main character didn't exist before. Not to bash yours, which I'm sure will turn out as one of he better DLC concepts, but we should just make a rule saying no more new characters. That way there won't be this flood of half-assed ideas that anyone could come up with, like this:

 

"THIS IS MY NEW DLC. YOU PLAY AS JOHN PARKER A HITMAN FOR THE CIA HE WORKS FOR UL PAPER AND YUSUF AMIR."

 

There are a ton of good choices in the LCPD database, although we haven't seen them in the flesh (Willy Valerio, Sammy Bottino, etc.). There are even a few well hidden minor characters that can be made into proper and developed protagonists with the right amount of thought and effort (Jermaine, Gordon, Sergei, etc.).

[Sanjeem]

Tommy, i admire how much work you have put into your thread. But you must agree with me here that it's not the most attractive storyline since we don't know who the protag is because he is self created, and because the story doesn't explain many key events, i'm not saying yorur work is crap at all it's is good and i'm not just saying that, but this is what the topic is arguing about.

 

Akavari's BFLC was quite good because it was one of the first topics for the start of the DLC creating world, and his character was known, and there were some key events that took place in the story, some un-explained from IV. Same with MOBs one, we had seen the character before and saw unexplained events.

 

Now, FromRussiawithouyMercie, this was also a very good peice like your Tommy, we had seen the character...or rare occasions. I myself had created DLC topics and i admit mine were hard thought through and i did put work into them, but for the reason i am arguing now, thety really wern't original and didn't explain much in IV.

 

Overall there has been a DLC overdose and it needs to stop...lets be happy and praise and improve the ones we have.

[TommyMufc-Champs]

Yes I agree with too many DLC topic's with no effort but you know, mine will have more content, that Is the difference.

[Sanjeem]

Yes I agree with too many DLC topic's with no effort but you know, mine will have more content, that Is the difference.

Absaloutly, but i'm just saying nobody should create another DLC topic before unles it is absaloutly Vital in some way or another.

[TommyMufc-Champs]

Exactly Sanjeem. Well at the end of the day, It's a matter of opinion.

[Tyla]

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

[Akavari]

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

Hell, I'll start a topic where we can just discuss possible DLC protagonists. I have a few in mind myself that I wouldn't mind seeing.

 

I mean I'm not exactly upset that there are a lot of DLC topics, I just don't like the fact that the majority of them are sh*t. I'd like seeing more that are of top-notch quality like Code Of The Streets, Blood And A Four Leaf Clover, and From Russia Without Mercy.

[Sanjeem]

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

Hell, I'll start a topic where we can just discuss possible DLC protagonists. I have a few in mind myself that I wouldn't mind seeing.

 

I mean I'm not exactly upset that there are a lot of DLC topics, I just don't like the fact that the majority of them are sh*t. I'd like seeing more that are of top-notch quality like Code Of The Streets, Blood And A Four Leaf Clover, and From Russia Without Mercy.

I agree with Both of you, Please start the topic, anyone who posts a DLC not in anyway related i think should face the consequences of it being Locked, starting from around about now today.

[TommyMufc-Champs]

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

Yeah I will do that when drscot has done the Mapmaking tutorial. Got a lot of things on at the moment.

[LuisBellic]

Im tired of doing a bunch of crossovers now. I just did them to explain some things in gta iv and eflc(like did that guy in shifting weight die or get away? and the drugs in clocking off.)

[The Lolwut Pear]

 

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

Hell, I'll start a topic where we can just discuss possible DLC protagonists. I have a few in mind myself that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Out of the top of my head:

 

Sergei

 

Jon Gravelli's bodyguard

 

Gordon Sargeant

 

Jermaine Andrews

 

Rami Yalon

 

Willy Valerio

 

Sammy Bottino

[LuisBellic]

Im gonna look on the LCPD Database for some protagonists

[Sanjeem]

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

Hell, I'll start a topic where we can just discuss possible DLC protagonists. I have a few in mind myself that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Out of the top of my head:

 

Sergei

 

Jon Gravelli's bodyguard

 

Gordon Sargeant

 

Jermaine Andrews

 

Rami Yalon

 

Willy Valerio

 

Sammy Bottino

Yeah but is John gravelli's body guard on Database, he's talking about people on the Database i think.

[Tyla]

 

I'd suggest documenting some of the advice given here, concerning IV DLC's, in your pinned topic Tommy. Maybe include a list of suitable protagonists and what the community has come to expect from a new topic.

Hell, I'll start a topic where we can just discuss possible DLC protagonists. I have a few in mind myself that I wouldn't mind seeing.

Out of the top of my head:

 

Sergei

 

Jon Gravelli's bodyguard

 

Gordon Sargeant

 

Jermaine Andrews

 

Rami Yalon

 

Willy Valerio

 

Sammy Bottino

I fully support your idea of a topic, akavari. The list TLP provided could be moulded into something with pictures of each character, and feature possible contributions from members of the community here who wish to make DLC's about them. That way, protagonist ideas could be vetted in part, with poor/non-logical ideas not making the final list.