spdrlfc Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I'm not "hatin'" cause there are some good topics out there but every single topic sounds like a SIMS/GTA/CoD hybrid, it winds me up Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyla Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Which topics in particular? How do you think they could be improved? (other than not sounding like they're based around an angry, hungry sim with a full bladder who is tooling up with his laser sights about to go jack a car..) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Cat Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 well he did say 'every single' thread, so I guess we all suck then... thanks guy :middle finger: Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spdrlfc Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 It would be cruel to single out any particular topics but most of them have good stories but the rest is utter crap, it's surprising how much people get brainwashed by the mainstream, and when I say the word brainwashed most people will instantly think "oh black ops!" eurgh. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 It's a third person shooter, and people are trying to create alternative gameplay elements to their version. You can thank trends and civilised order for the fact that everyone seems to think the same thing. I'm sure in time everyone's ideas will basically morph into the same image... given enough time (I'm talking thousands of generations). Seriously though, the best way to create originality is to show the unoriginality in their things. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyla Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Well, I hope that after you look around a bit more and view some of the excellent concepts here you can have a better view, but thats not to say I don't share your opinion because quite a few of the DLC's that are popping up seem to be on the back of a trend created by one or two standalone ideas. That said, you've got to be cruel to be kind Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyMufc-Champs Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Look around the section and actually read the concepts, you will be surprised. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rojo89 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) You should at least mention in wich ways you think those topics can be improved. Imo some of these threads are great, they have a lot of detail and show a great deal of effort by the autors. My only problem is the people that have like 3 of 4 concepts at one time and never seem to complete any of them. Edited December 14, 2010 by Rojo89 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lolwut Pear Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 My only problem is the people that have like 3 of 4 concepts at one time and never seem to complete any of them. *Cough* LuisBellic and mati *Cough* Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rojo89 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) Mmm what do you mean? Those names doesn't ring any bells for me. . No but seriously you get what I'm saying, I don't have anything against their concepts, just think they be better off concentrating on one thread at the time. Edited December 14, 2010 by Rojo89 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lolwut Pear Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Yeah, same here. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaghetti Cat Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 ...but that's totally different from being unoriginal or lame. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060245318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 ...but that's totally different from being unoriginal or lame. Not at all. If a person has 5/6 half-arsed threads based on the same general idea, like the people that were mentioned above, then that certainly makes them unoriginal as we have seen the same threads many times before made by the same people or people like them and they all fizzle out into nothing. And if unoriginal and lame apparently go hand in hand as you said then that certainly makes them lame on top of that. There have been some great concept threads in the past however I do think that now everyone is concentrating far too much on the aesthetics of their respective posts. A nice logo might be all well and good but once I've seen it I don't really want to see it again. People spend half an hour padding out a sh*tty half-story in conjunction with someone else's sh*tty half-story and they peddle their bollocks together with a well-made logo and map. I personally hate that even more than the current trend of basing everything off of something which has already been done to death. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyla Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 While I do agree with you, nerner, and think the points you make are spot on, I'm going to reiterate somewhat my earlier post and try drum up some attention to some of the better concepts in this section. A great deal of them don't receive much user feedback. Its all well and good we all bang on about the poorer concepts, the rehashes and the copycats, and draw attention to them, but what about the others? The ones where effort has actually gone in? I understand WD has the same sort of dilemmas... people rock up and post a couple of chapters, receive little or no feedback should it not be littered with errors, and then discontinue their story. There are only so many times you can tell someone their ideas are ridiculous and if it falls on deaf ears it doesn't deserve the attention... but where creativity and lots of effort are ripe the recognition should be given. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 nerner, I completely agree with you. It would be much better, if people concentrated and committed themselves to just one topic, that they would improve as time goes. It's not like that though. It's more like ''oh, I've got a couple of good comments from the community, maybe I should do another one and let this die out...''. There are still some really great concepts but most of them are just plain, and unoriginal. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Instead of whinning everyone, why don't we discuss ideas for a storyline, and name ones that havent been done before (This doesn't count as a DLC one, because it's an add on) never the less i think on this forum or section the topic with the most originailty is hard to point out there are some Ideas but it would have to be, Damn it's actually hard to think...more on topic discuss different views if how a good story could be made. I also agree with The Guru, shall we try and not make any more topics once posted One, If everyone gives back Supportive! feedback then the one's that arn't so great will improve, and also try and perfect the already good ones.. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyMufc-Champs Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Yes I think you should focus on one topic but If you do a couple with a lot of work, It's not a problem. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 But for that to work people have to be prepared to accept feedback. Whether that feedback is positive or negative shouldn't matter; if anything you should be more fond of negative stuff as if it is eloquent and relates to your piece it will help you become a better writer/concept thread creator. The main problem with writer's discussion right now is not just the lack of responses, but the lack of responses which mean anything whatsoever. Half of the posts in topics nowadays are simply "TG!! KUTGW!1!" and even if you can decipher this retarded psychobabble you realise that it adds nothing to your story in the way of making it better. Even when you do find a post which is like that and actually expresses an opinion, they are generally going out of their way to be an arsehole about it. The WD is becoming like the visual arts section used to be like in the olden times, full of people who think that they are fantastic and regularly drop in to belittle people. Hopefully it won't go as far down the pan as the graphics areas did a few years ago though. People should be commended by others for all of their good work in this section, however trying to get people in any creative section to post with any sort of intelligence will always be difficult. /2 cents. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyla Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Yeah, there's nothing better than a good kicking to make you sit back, take notes, and figure out how you're going to kick ass yourself. I hope once its realized that ideas grow somewhat better through the efforts of the community on a whole in the form of some meaningful feedback/stinging critique some will start to be given that the experience of showcasing your creativity will be a great deal more engaging. But until then, its on everyone's part that efforts should be made to recognize the good and point out the not so good in contrast to some of the straight out condemning - "This is sh*t, bro" - that offers little to the growth of the idea. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyMufc-Champs Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Some people think of a idea then post a concept with no effort In It. Seen It quite a lot. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Some people think of a idea then post a concept with no effort In It. Seen It quite a lot. That's basically good as a summary of what everyone else in this topic has said about 5 times over... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyla Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Some people think of a idea then post a concept with no effort In It. Seen It quite a lot. That doesn't change the principal of what we're saying here though. Its all well and good someone posting a concept with sod all effort in and telling them it's sh*t, or that they need to put more work in, but it isn't actually helpful. They need to be told why their idea is sh*t, how they could improve it, what they could focus on, what they need to work on, etc. No one is going to gain anything from being told their idea is bollocks unless they are told why it is so. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Some people think of a idea then post a concept with no effort In It. Seen It quite a lot. That doesn't change the principal of what we're saying here though. Its all well and good someone posting a concept with sod all effort in and telling them it's sh*t, or that they need to put more work in, but it isn't actually helpful. They need to be told why their idea is sh*t, how they could improve it, what they could focus on, what they need to work on, etc. No one is going to gain anything from being told their idea is bollocks unless they are told why it is so. Thats a perfect example of Jacky Fiend, i became 100x better at creating concept topics with his advice, he actually even helped me improve my organization in topics, and even my writing has improved. Unfortunatly he isn't around anymore, what did happen to him... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 He's still around. Just nowhere near as active as he used to be. I caught him stepping into the GFX section one day. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthMUFC-Champs Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Some people think of a idea then post a concept with no effort In It. Seen It quite a lot. That doesn't change the principal of what we're saying here though. Its all well and good someone posting a concept with sod all effort in and telling them it's sh*t, or that they need to put more work in, but it isn't actually helpful. They need to be told why their idea is sh*t, how they could improve it, what they could focus on, what they need to work on, etc. No one is going to gain anything from being told their idea is bollocks unless they are told why it is so. Thats a perfect example of Jacky Fiend, i became 100x better at creating concept topics with his advice, he actually even helped me improve my organization in topics, and even my writing has improved. Unfortunatly he isn't around anymore, what did happen to him... Yeah Jacky was an excellent member at giving out good points back in the day. I remember just browsing the forums and seeing how creative he was when it came to concepts and when i joined he gaved me some good help on my old concepts and told me not to post loads of new ones and just stick to one. His GTA LV concept is one of the best around however i found General Goose and Spaghetti Cat to be two other helpful members when i first joined and you as well Sanjeem. Anyway i think the quality of concepts has improved and of course you will get the odd effortless one but some of them created now are really fantastically detalied. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zee Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 (edited) Concept threads boil down to little more than childish finger paints, baiscally. Discussion of old/new games is fine but im so glad this forum was made becasue im really sick of seeing the same damn retarded stories dreamt up by retarded 15 year old wigger kids. every game/concept is the same: "U are Tommy Johnson living in New Vice City, whos father was killed by the Triad and mother was kiled by duh Mafiyuh. Now it be time fo' revenge''. Dont get me wrong. I encourage creativity. There are some concept threads i like. But most of these concept/DLC's are so off course with what the spirit of GTA is that im amazed. Edited December 16, 2010 by Zee Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Concept threads boil down to little more than childish finger paints, baiscally. Discussion of old/new games is fine but im so glad this forum was made becasue im really sick of seeing the same damn retarded stories dreamt up by retarded 15 year old wigger kids. every game/concept is the same: "U are Tommy Johnson living in New Vice City, whos father was killed by the Triad and mother was kiled by duh Mafiyuh. Now it be time fo' revenge''. Dont get me wrong. I encourage creativity. There are some concept threads i like. But most of these concept/DLC's are so off course with what the spirit of GTA is that im amazed. You will find these concepts, but you also find alot of very good and creative topics that are nothing like what you described. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060248790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavari Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Maybe everybody should be limited to ONE concept thread. That way they HAVE to keep improving it instead of abandoning it for another one. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060249040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Maybe everybody should be limited to ONE concept thread. That way they HAVE to keep improving it instead of abandoning it for another one. it's really not a bad idea, and if they really want a major change, post it in the same topic so we dont clogg up the forum. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060249054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyMufc-Champs Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Maybe everybody should be limited to ONE concept thread. That way they HAVE to keep improving it instead of abandoning it for another one. Bad idea IMO. People like Sanjeem for example, do quite a few concepts that are detailed. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/465124-the-concept-threads-need-a-little-more/#findComment-1060249093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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