the most hated person in the world

[cidamelo]

Svip I agree Stalin was worst!!

[Toup]

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

[Svip]

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

You do realise that most of the things people give Hitler credit for were set in motion before him? The Autobahn is often - wrongly - accredited to Hitler, but had actually been decided a few years before Hitler was elected to power by the Reichstag.

 

Hitler wasn't the mastermind many people like to think of him as. He was a great speaker, yes. But that's about it. He wasn't even a terribly good writer. Have you ever read Mein Kampf? It's pretty boring actually.

 

If you think of how he managed the whole war, it is pretty obvious that much of the war effort's successes can be accredited to Hitler's brilliant generals and its failures largely to Hitler.

 

Ironically, after having bombed Polish and French towns in order to get the countries to surrender, they assumed that the British would be swayed by an equal measure and were almost dumbstruck when the British didn't budge.

 

The invasion of the USSR was - and is often viewed today - as a mistake. And while, yes, it was, it did however prove that Germany itself could not sustain the war effort without cheap resources from other countries. For instance, before 1939, Germany relied heavily on the Baltic states for raw materials, because Germany could force these small states to low prices. But when they came under Soviet control in 1939, Germany now had to pay Soviet prices.

 

It is often - slightly incorrectly - assumed that Hitler had to go to war with Stalin, as their ideologies could never actually co-exist. But let's be fair, that was largely a show for the public. And we all know that Stalin wasn't a real communist. Even Hitler knew that.

 

Stalin - as you correctly notes - caused widespread famine, but largely in the Soviet Satellite Republics, while granting Russia (especially the area around Moscow) the upper hand.

[epoxi]

+ pretty much every conservative and close-minded leader in this world.

I think intention matters almost as much as action. Hitler isn't any worse then someone who wants to kill all the Jews but doesn't have the capability of doing so. If you think indiscriminate extermination of an entire group of people is acceptable I probably hate you because you're a violent sociopath or extremely ignorant. Osama Bin Laden is an evil f*ck not just for his current actions but his intentions, if he had it his way all 300 million Americans would be dead, as would every Jew and probably the rest of the Western World. That certainly is a lofty goal, he won't succeed, there will be no literal 'Death to America', but given the opportunity he would do it in a heartbeat.

 

While I completely agree with you on intentions, I don't believe Bin Laden is as evil as most would think. It is true like everyone he has complete autonomy over his actions, however he is the brainwashing product of the Taliban (which existed way before his arrival) much more than the other way around.

 

The guy was a playboy from a staunchily pro-Western family, who enjoyed the finest whiskey, high-stakes gambling and the company of easy women. He would have never imagined the opposite type of lifestyle with crappy food, Islamist politics and being surrounded by bearded men until he traveled to Afghanistan, and the Taliban exploited a near-death experience he had at the hands of some Soviet Forces to brainwash him, then make him the figure head of their organisation.

 

I would even go as far as arguing he holds very little power in actually running the organisation past being a figure-head - the serious stuff is usually co-ordinated in Pakistan. Also, despite their infamous propoganda about hating the West and Jews, the vast majority of people they are actively targetting and killing in their terrorism are Muslim civilians in non-Western, majority Muslim countries.

But then again, media sensationalism rarely follows logic.

You make a good point, I never thought of it that way.

[mrpain]

The three guys I could think up are these guys

 

Hitler VS Stalin VS Osama

 

Who shall win in this triple threat?

[Oddsock]

I'm thinking maybe we should reach back farther than the 21st century. What about Genghis Khan or Xerxes? I think despite our relatively low population back in "ancient" times (I use the quotes because I'm not giving a specific definition of "ancient" here), some people may have been more hated percentage-of-population-wise than today.

[Tyler]

How is the Khan evil? He united Mongolia and spread the Eastern empire to the west. Every great power in the ancient times was evil to at least one land. Khan was just thought of evil because of his ingenuity in the battlefield, and causing the Chinese to fear him enough to build a giant ass wall. I'd say he's on a lower chart than Hitler, but still on the board.

[Voodoo]

Last I checked, the topic wasn't about evil. As sh*tty and obtuse as this thread has become, I believe it was originally about who is the most "hated" - not who you hate personally, who is/was the most evil or whose music or political agenda is the worst.

 

 

[Mati]

- Justin Bieber, of course

- Bill from Tokio Hotel

- Bin Laden

- Hitler

 

[beavis]

Stalin was cuter.

[vertical limit]

saddam hussein is dead

mussilini is an asshole

and bush is a vag*na

[Kevin...]

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

I have, and I still hate Stalin more than Hitler. You got your priorities mixed up if you are basing your thoughts of world wide evil on a personal grudge.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and on topic: Canadians...f*ckin hate em.

[Toup]

Well, that's true.

[Chm0]

 

Georges W Bush

 

Others doesn't count , they are dead

[nerner]

Others doesn't count , they are dead

People don't suddenly become revered once they die. Of course they "count."

[Vercetti27]

Others doesn't count , they are dead

People don't suddenly become revered once they die. Of course they "count."

ever since hitler died I've realised what a pleasant, kind and warm hearted man he was. yes he was responsible for the deaths of millions and millions of people but you have to look past that. now he is dead we have to remind ourselves of the great things he did

 

(sarcasm)

[springsteen_fan]

A lot of people hate the pope. Then again, a lot of people love the pope. Oh well...

[BGModder]

Hitler by far.

[AlfieWilRus]

Justin Bieber

Bush

Hitler

 

I have around 60000000000 other people but thats my top 3

[PHCharls]

Justin Bieber

[Tyler]

I'm just in denial that people in the world today would actually think of a sixteen year-old popstar as more hated than Hitler. It's one of those 'wow humanity sucks' sort of epiphanies.

[QwertyAAA]

 

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

I have, and I still hate Stalin more than Hitler. You got your priorities mixed up if you are basing your thoughts of world wide evil on a personal grudge.

How 'bout this: Stalin turned a backwater empire taking up 16% or the world's land area into an economic and military powerhouse and superpower in a matter of a couple of decades.

[Tyler]

He did good and bad things for his time. it doesn't take away from the pain he caused many people. Your point is a bit moot if you're trying to change the mind of somebody affected by him that negatively.

[The-King]

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

I have, and I still hate Stalin more than Hitler. You got your priorities mixed up if you are basing your thoughts of world wide evil on a personal grudge.

How 'bout this: Stalin turned a backwater empire taking up 16% or the world's land area into an economic and military powerhouse and superpower in a matter of a couple of decades.

Didn't Hitler essentially do near the exact same thing with Germany except in a noticeably shorter time?

[QwertyAAA]

 

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

I have, and I still hate Stalin more than Hitler. You got your priorities mixed up if you are basing your thoughts of world wide evil on a personal grudge.

How 'bout this: Stalin turned a backwater empire taking up 16% or the world's land area into an economic and military powerhouse and superpower in a matter of a couple of decades.

Didn't Hitler essentially do near the exact same thing with Germany except in a noticeably shorter time?

And which one of them won?

[The-King]

 

And which one of them won?

Well, having 10,000,000 or so Russians knocking on your door while surrounded on every side by nearly every other military force in Europe topped off by Canada and the US doesn't exactly bode well in regards to making a battle winnable.

 

Beside, without Hitler's massive Germanic revitalization WWII would have been literally impossible, especially considering the crushing defeat and even deeper concessions owed via WWI only a few decades prior.

[QwertyAAA]

And which one of them won?

Well, having 10,000,000 or so Russians knocking on your door while surrounded on every side by nearly every other military force in Europe topped off by Canada and the US doesn't exactly bode well in regards to making a battle winnable.

 

Beside, without Hitler's massive Germanic revitalization WWII would have been literally impossible, especially considering the crushing defeat and even deeper concessions owed via WWI only a few decades prior.

Ah, but had Stalin not transformed Russia, the war might have gone far differently. FFS, in its last years, the Russian Empire lost the Russo-Japanese War. Frankly, that was just embarrassing.

[The-King]

 

And which one of them won?

Well, having 10,000,000 or so Russians knocking on your door while surrounded on every side by nearly every other military force in Europe topped off by Canada and the US doesn't exactly bode well in regards to making a battle winnable.

 

Beside, without Hitler's massive Germanic revitalization WWII would have been literally impossible, especially considering the crushing defeat and even deeper concessions owed via WWI only a few decades prior.

Ah, but had Stalin not transformed Russia, the war might have gone far differently. FFS, in its last years, the Russian Empire lost the Russo-Japanese War. Frankly, that was just embarrassing.

True, but compare Germany's position to Russia's. Germany was a small nation, surrounded by countries still bitter from WWI whom it owed massive amounts in reparations via the Treaty Of Versailles, and as such it's population was facing poverty en-masse (something Staling enforced purposefully upon his respective populace). They were in just about the worst situation a first world nation could be in, then low and behold, Hitler comes along with his Nazi regime and suddenly the nation reaches an absolute boom in it's economy and is suddenly capable of waging the largest war in modern history on more fronts than I have fingers on my essentially bringing the West to it's knees for years. Russia on the other hand has both the massive population and inordinate abundance of natural resources to be able to accomplish just about anything at the whim of any despot who comes along and knows how to utilize it, neither of which Nazi Germany could even wish to be able to match.

[dog_day_sunrise]

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

I have, and I still hate Stalin more than Hitler. You got your priorities mixed up if you are basing your thoughts of world wide evil on a personal grudge.

How 'bout this: Stalin turned a backwater empire taking up 16% or the world's land area into an economic and military powerhouse and superpower in a matter of a couple of decades.

And Hitler transformed the German economy from complete collapse to being far and away the strongest in Europe. Also, unlike Stalin he didn't do it by killing 20% of his country's population, and didn't throw a hissy-fit and have all of his most intelligent and experienced personnel executed, therefore undoing all the work those millions had died for.

[visionist]

Stalin was bad but he wasn't evil in my opinion.

Because killing ~30 million people in 1932-1933, 1937, 1946-1948 isn't evil at all.

More than Hitler unless I'm mistaken. A much nastier individual.

Also, Hitler's economic policies deserve a lot of creditl. He rebuilt Germany in an astonishingly short time. Whereas Stalin essentially caused widespread famine with his, then had anyone who pointed that out executed.

Would you be talking like that if one familiar of yours died because of the nazis or Hitler's orders?

I have, and I still hate Stalin more than Hitler. You got your priorities mixed up if you are basing your thoughts of world wide evil on a personal grudge.

How 'bout this: Stalin turned a backwater empire taking up 16% or the world's land area into an economic and military powerhouse and superpower in a matter of a couple of decades.

And Hitler transformed the German economy from complete collapse to being far and away the strongest in Europe. Also, unlike Stalin he didn't do it by killing 20% of his country's population, and didn't throw a hissy-fit and have all of his most intelligent and experienced personnel executed, therefore undoing all the work those millions had died for.

+1 Nazi Germany saved Europe from Stalinism. They were the only ones to stand up to that Bolshevik Prick. Everybody else, the so called "righteous" allies, was pissing their pants at the thought of the Red Terror.

 

Germany preferred to open a can of Blitzkrieg.