Mass Effect 3

[AreXi]

I don't like it either. Somehow I manage to get attached to them. Still I had to see what would happen if they all died... but there was a youtube video for that. I really wonder how Bioware will handle the third game if Shepard died in Mass Effect 2 I might have to make that happen just to find out. It would be an interesting twist.

I believe one of the game tips during loading screens says something like You can import your Shepard to Mass Effect 3... If you survive. I like to think of that as "self-explanatory" .

Well obviously if Shepard dies I would have to pick up as a new character. I'm curious as to who would fill that role? It would have to be someone Cerberus would still have a grievance with as well otherwise there goes half of the games opposing force. I wonder if the player would get to choose who the protagonist should be or if Bioware would already have one in mind.

Uhh... You simply just can't continue with that savegame.

[WHAT!?]

 

I don't like it either. Somehow I manage to get attached to them. Still I had to see what would happen if they all died... but there was a youtube video for that. I really wonder how Bioware will handle the third game if Shepard died in Mass Effect 2 I might have to make that happen just to find out. It would be an interesting twist.

I believe one of the game tips during loading screens says something like You can import your Shepard to Mass Effect 3... If you survive. I like to think of that as "self-explanatory" .

Well obviously if Shepard dies I would have to pick up as a new character. I'm curious as to who would fill that role? It would have to be someone Cerberus would still have a grievance with as well otherwise there goes half of the games opposing force. I wonder if the player would get to choose who the protagonist should be or if Bioware would already have one in mind.

Uhh... You simply just can't continue with that savegame.

 

What!? shakes head.

 

Bioware said you couldn't import your Shepard. They didn't say anything about not being able to continue with the choices you had made as Shepard. Those choices would still carry over and you would move on with a new protagonist. Is this concept really so hard for you to understand? I'm not saying its a confirmed feature of Mass Effect 3. I'm saying it will be interesting to see how Bioware handles it. If Shepard dies he is f*cking dead, game over for Shepard... yeah I get it. That doesn't mean the choices you made necessarily have to die with you.

 

 

 

 

I don't think Bioware would design an entirely different character for those 0.01 percent of people whose Shepard didn't survive.

You'll probably get some sort of cutscene, and that's it.

 

I wouldn't doubt it. You had to try pretty hard to kill him off. I'm interested to see what the answer is... That's all I'm saying.

Edited June 30, 2011 by What!?

[AreXi]

I don't like it either. Somehow I manage to get attached to them. Still I had to see what would happen if they all died... but there was a youtube video for that. I really wonder how Bioware will handle the third game if Shepard died in Mass Effect 2 I might have to make that happen just to find out. It would be an interesting twist.

I believe one of the game tips during loading screens says something like You can import your Shepard to Mass Effect 3... If you survive. I like to think of that as "self-explanatory" .

Well obviously if Shepard dies I would have to pick up as a new character. I'm curious as to who would fill that role? It would have to be someone Cerberus would still have a grievance with as well otherwise there goes half of the games opposing force. I wonder if the player would get to choose who the protagonist should be or if Bioware would already have one in mind.

Uhh... You simply just can't continue with that savegame.

 

What!? shakes head.

 

Bioware said you couldn't import your Shepard. They didn't say anything about not being able to continue with the choices you had made as Shepard. Those choices would still carry over and you would move on with a new protagonist. Is this concept really so hard for you to understand? I'm not saying its a confirmed feature of Mass Effect 3. I'm saying it will be interesting to see how Bioware handles it. If Shepard dies he is f*cking dead, game over for Shepard... yeah I get it. That doesn't mean the choices you made necessarily have to die with you.

I find that hard to understand because I find it hard to understand why in the hell you would think BioWare is going to create another protagonist for Mass Effect 3 if you're incompetent enough to actually manage to kill your Shepard in Mass Effect 2.

[WHAT!?]

I don't like it either. Somehow I manage to get attached to them. Still I had to see what would happen if they all died... but there was a youtube video for that. I really wonder how Bioware will handle the third game if Shepard died in Mass Effect 2 I might have to make that happen just to find out. It would be an interesting twist.

I believe one of the game tips during loading screens says something like You can import your Shepard to Mass Effect 3... If you survive. I like to think of that as "self-explanatory" .

Well obviously if Shepard dies I would have to pick up as a new character. I'm curious as to who would fill that role? It would have to be someone Cerberus would still have a grievance with as well otherwise there goes half of the games opposing force. I wonder if the player would get to choose who the protagonist should be or if Bioware would already have one in mind.

Uhh... You simply just can't continue with that savegame.

 

What!? shakes head.

 

Bioware said you couldn't import your Shepard. They didn't say anything about not being able to continue with the choices you had made as Shepard. Those choices would still carry over and you would move on with a new protagonist. Is this concept really so hard for you to understand? I'm not saying its a confirmed feature of Mass Effect 3. I'm saying it will be interesting to see how Bioware handles it. If Shepard dies he is f*cking dead, game over for Shepard... yeah I get it. That doesn't mean the choices you made necessarily have to die with you.

I find that hard to understand because I find it hard to understand why in the hell you would think BioWare is going to create another protagonist for Mass Effect 3 if you're incompetent enough to actually manage to kill your Shepard in Mass Effect 2.

I'm not saying that they will or that they wont. I'm saying its a fun idea to play around with. I really don't think it would be that big of a stretch either. They could simply have one of the humanoid squad members take over. All it would require is their respective voice actors doing Shepard's dialogue as well as their own. All the game models for the humanoid species use the exact same animations. They wouldn't need to dedicate any extra resources to replacing Shepard.

 

Again I get it. Its unlikely and all. I'm just making conversation over here, and as I said before... It could easily be done with a minimum investment in new resources from the company's perspective.

[MagnAn]

I'm not saying that they will or that they wont. I'm saying its a fun idea to play around with. I really don't think it would be that big of a stretch either. They could simply have one of the humanoid squad members take over. All it would require is their respective voice actors doing Shepard's dialogue as well as their own. All the game models for the humanoid species use the exact same animations. They wouldn't need to dedicate any extra resources to replacing Shepard.

 

Again I get it. Its unlikely and all. I'm just making conversation over here, and as I said before... It could easily be done with a minimum investment in new resources from the company's perspective.

Are you hearing yourself?

You think they're going to make a different actor do the same lines Shepard says, and change every dialogue that calls him by his name?

[jelly]

Bioware has already confirmed that if Shepard dies you can't continue in ME3. It was in some interview. I won't even bother linking, you can look it up yourself if you *really* believe they'd create the entire game twice with a brand new protagonist.

[Robinski]

If you try to import a save into ME3 where Shepard is dead, you should get a short cinematic showing how the galaxy was plundered by the Reapers. It'd make sure to point out that your family and friends die agonising, prolonged and cruel deaths, all sentient life is slowly wiped out system by system, being left in the dark as to what fate awaits them knowing only that it is not a good one. Nobody will be spared and no warning left, as such the cycle is doomed to repeat, taking billions and billions of innocent lives with it.

 

And it's All. Your. Fault.

Edited June 30, 2011 by Robinski

[CharmingCharlie]

The nature of Mass Effect and the limitations in terms of resources, time and storage capacity means that they can't let players veer too far away from the story. A good example is Mass Effect 2 where you HAVE to work for Cerberus whether you wanted to or not. Sure they could have done a branching story line where you tell TIM at the beginning to "go forth and multiply" but that would have required they did an alternate way to give you missions and carry the story forward.

 

However I do agree with Robinski that it would be cool if they did something to acknowledge those that try to import a dead Shepard. Instead of the game starting off at the trial you would see a memorial service for Commander Shepard and during the memorial service the Reapers arrive and troll the hell out of it with some poignant death scenes for some of the main characters.

 

They did something like this for Arrival (albeit a tad bit crappy). If you let the timer reach zero in Arrival you get a surprise ending. Oh and in case anyone is wondering we are now :-

 

 

249 days and 10hours away

from the arrival of the Reapers

[WHAT!?]

I'm not saying that they will or that they wont. I'm saying its a fun idea to play around with. I really don't think it would be that big of a stretch either. They could simply have one of the humanoid squad members take over. All it would require is their respective voice actors doing Shepard's dialogue as well as their own. All the game models for the humanoid species use the exact same animations. They wouldn't need to dedicate any extra resources to replacing Shepard.

 

Again I get it. Its unlikely and all. I'm just making conversation over here, and as I said before... It could easily be done with a minimum investment in new resources from the company's perspective.

Are you hearing yourself?

You think they're going to make a different actor do the same lines Shepard says, and change every dialogue that calls him by his name?

Yeah...

 

 

Again I get it. Its unlikely and all. I'm just making conversation over here

 

All of it. All I was saying is it wouldn't be impossible. Asking the actors to do several takes with different versions of the same lines is hardly outside the realm of what they have been asked to do for the series already.

 

 

Bioware has already confirmed that if Shepard dies you can't continue in ME3. It was in some interview. I won't even bother linking, you can look it up yourself if you *really* believe they'd create the entire game twice with a brand new protagonist. 

 

I didn't realize it had been covered already. As I have said several times... the game wouldn't need to be created twice. Just different dialogue subbed in where appropriate. You know the same thing they do to reflect paragon/renegade choices?

 

Anyway, f*ck it. I'm not beating this dead horse anymore. I guess we don't like to speculate in this topic...

 

 

I do agree with Robinski that it would be cool if they did something to acknowledge those that try to import a dead Shepard. Instead of the game starting off at the trial you would see a memorial service for Commander Shepard and during the memorial service the Reapers arrive and troll the hell out of it with some poignant death scenes for some of the main characters.

 

That at least would be cool as well.

 

 

 

[mrpain]

I get what you mean What!?. But really they won't just let you play as a new character. When the first trailer was shown, many thought the soldier in the Big Ben was the 'replacement'. And what's up with your sig? It's too random

 

I'm really having fun as a Sole Survivor now. On Monday I had like 9 Shepards but by today, I have 15 Shepards ready to go now. 6 Shepards consist of the Sole Survivor I mentioned. I love going through the Suicide Mission and have different outcomes. Hence the reason of those 6 Shepards. Hell one of my Shepard has only Miranda, Samara and Grunt in my squad.

 

Next up, surviving with only Garrus and Tali.

Shepard: Come my turian and quarian allies, let us defeat the collectors!

Garrus: Commander, the collectors use Barriers and we don't have Warp.

 

Heh heh. Am I sadistic person if I enjoy the sight of my squadmates dying?

[MrcTOtheJ]

@Mrpain lol looks like Garrus Rained on your Sheppard parade, no warp, you're doomed.

 

Now about a dead Sheppard import, I think they should have a Cut scene thing like Charlie mentioned of the memorial service, and then the reapers attack, and then it shows scenes from accrued earth of how bad Sheppard screwed up by dieing. Though honestly, the only way you can die with Sheppard is well be 1. Really damn stupid, or 2. Try to have him die.

 

Anyhow it's a shame the Mordin won't be joining you, My step brother and I have been trying to think of who all would return. Really so far all we have that we seriously think are coming back are as follows.

 

1.Grunt If you did the loyalty mission he respects Sheppard quite a bit and really has nowhere else to go, and I can see him wanting to fight the reapers.

2.Samara This is iffy seeing as she swore to fight the collectors and not the reapers as a whole but she might return

3.Garrus honestly he see Sheppard as the only one who can go un and get sh*t done so I can see him returning to

4.Thane he's dieing, unless the Hanar made a breakthrough on the DNA modification project, he'll most likely return to finish the good fight (unless he's dead at the beginning of 3)

 

Those are the 4 I'm seriously thinking could come back from 2. (besides confirmed ones unless Garrus is confirmed)

[CharmingCharlie]

A few new pictures of the goodies you get when you buy the Collectors Edition have appeared on the Bioware social forum :-

 

The first picture is the alternate appearance costumes you get with the CE edition :-

 

(click the image for a bigger pic)

 

 

I got to admit Liara's armour looks f*cking awful and Ash doesn't look all that better. I am wondering is there a taste drought at Bioware Edmonton ?

 

As well as that here are some decent sized pics of the special weapons you get with the CE version (by special I mean they reskinned the sh*t weapons) :-

 

 

 

So far incredibly underwhelming especially when you consider they are charging twice as much as the standard edition.

[Rockworm]

the hell? Liara looks way too much like Samara in that.

[Minic]

Well Kaidan has armour that looks just like we've already seen in the Renders of him from articles. Ashley looks like she got a boob job in between you meeting her on Horizon (if you did) and seeing you again on earth, but I can see why they've made her armour the colours it is, being a call back to her ME1 armour set in a way, but still what she has on doesn't really look like armour. This new James guy seems to look like a new 'Look at me i'm big strong and have stupidly big armour' type of guy, plus he looks dumber than a sack of bricks, I guess we'll see what he's really like come March. Finally Liara = Samara with that armour, it's like they just thought 'Hmmm no Samara as a squadmate, Oh lets make Liara look like her in the CE DLC!'

 

Oh and on the weapons I hope they just have unique stats or something as opposed to just being reskins, I'm disappointed there isn't an N7 Assault Rifle though as that's my main weapon .

 

Despite me having negativeish things to say about the stuff though i'm still getting the CE and i'm still gonna play the sh*t out of ME3 and end up using the CE in-game extras.

[papanesta]

Looks like Liara has become a Justicar to me. Gutting for some.

[CharmingCharlie]

According to Chris Priestly (you know that cuddly warm moderator on Bioware forums) these pics are concept art and not representative of the final product. He said :-

 

 

I was wondering when these would surface.

 

These are concepts (so may not be final) of the weapons and appearances available in the Collector's Edition of Mass Effect 3. They were given out to a bunch of retailers some time ago. I guess they weren't called out previously as they are not final and maybe the retailers didn't want to show art that wasn't final?

He went on to explain the reason for Bioware using these pics for their pre-order page :-

 

 

If we had waited to have final art before soliciting pre-orders, people would still be waiting and the announcement would not have been made at E3. Once the final art is finished, sites will be updated.

 

It is all a question of timing.

 

Have you not seen other games or toys, statues, comics, etc with "not final art" when solicited? I buy a copy of Previews magazine every month to help me plan what to buy for upcoming comics and toys and there is always materials liek that inside. It is what is done in the industry.

So there is still some hope left. Either that these are not really a very good representation of the final stuff or that the feedback so far (which has all been a chorus of "this is crap") may make them do a "do over".

 

I am still pretty much sold on getting the CE version myself, hell having femshep on the case of the CE version is a nice bonus. However I would prefer it if the items that come with the CE version are actually useful for a change, unlike the bull we got with ME 2 which was next to f*cking useless.

 

[MrcTOtheJ]

 

So far incredibly underwhelming especially when you consider they are charging twice as much as the standard edition.

Which is why I'm gonna pass up on this, I don’t have the cash to spend $100+ on one game. As much as I'd like to.

 

Well If I get a Job I will get this but at the moment, I'm un-employed.

 

EDIT: Thought I'd comment on the armor and stuff, Ashley’s looks, well kinda bland and not like armor, Liara's get up looks like an Underwhelming Samara out fit, Kaiden's looks ok, it doesn't wow me but it looks ok, and that new guy armor aside, I get a real Jersey shore vibe from. (I think it's the hair-do, and the look on his face.)

 

Weapons look nice, but those are still not a selling point for me, but they do look nice.

Edited July 5, 2011 by Mr.c TO the J

[Rockworm]

lol Vega makes me think of The Miz

[Creed Bratton]

That Vega character looks so generic. Is that really the best they could come up with?

[jelly]

One of my most persistent complaints about this series - the generic, boring default human characters they shove onto us in the beginning of the games. I couldn't care less about Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda or Jacob. Incredibly boring cookie-cutter characters, all of them. A bit of a shame. It seems they're set to repeat this in ME3 with Vega and whoever the female default bore will turn out to be.

[papanesta]

Couple of interesting Tweets:

 

 

Lots of questions on the CE appearances image. It's an early mockup for color - faces etc aren't final, in particular James and Liara.

 

Also lots of questions about Ashley. We've only showed her in a jacket outfit & its CE variant. She will also have full armor and helmet.

[mrpain]

One of my most persistent complaints about this series - the generic, boring default human characters they shove onto us in the beginning of the games. I couldn't care less about Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda or Jacob. Incredibly boring cookie-cutter characters, all of them. A bit of a shame. It seems they're set to repeat this in ME3 with Vega and whoever the female default bore will turn out to be.

Hey I love Miranda as a character! The other humans are generic as you say but there's something about Miranda that I like about. And not because of her busty assets.

 

The f*ck? James sporting a mohawk? And from the looks of it he has a soul patch. I'm sorry but he's too douchebaggy to be in my squad. Bets on that he's a sniper class guy.

 

Ashely...oh god Ashley... What did they ever let her hair down? Can't believe I prefer her boyish hairstyle better.

 

Liara's armor isn't that bad, it's just the colors that are bad.

 

Kaidan's armor is actually pretty rocking.

[Creed Bratton]

The f*ck? James sporting a mohawk? And from the looks of it he has a soul patch. I'm sorry but he's too douchebaggy to be in my squad. Bets on that he's a sniper class guy.

I was hoping they will make a Han Solo type of character. God knows we could use someone like that in Mass Effect.

[AreXi]

The f*ck? James sporting a mohawk? And from the looks of it he has a soul patch. I'm sorry but he's too douchebaggy to be in my squad. Bets on that he's a sniper class guy.

I was hoping they will make a Han Solo type of character. God knows we could use someone like that in Mass Effect.

That'd be ace. Right not James looks like human Grunt. Not like this, Bioware.

[papanesta]

I can understand you guys being diappointed with the characters, even though I never have been myself, but what were you honestly expecting from the appearance pack? All the previous ones were rubbish, bar maybe one armour.

 

Edit: More Casey Tweets:

 

 

Will we show Tali's face in #ME3? We locked down our approach long ago, but you'll have to wait until March to find out what it is.

 

For the next set of #MassEffect3 screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?

First look? Interesting...

Edited July 6, 2011 by papanesta

[CharmingCharlie]

 

but what were you honestly expecting from the appearance pack? All the previous ones were rubbish, bar maybe one armour.

Granted Bioware's history with appearance packs leaves a lot to be desired. However the thing that separates man from the monkey is our ability to learn from our mistakes. It seems Bioware are a bunch of damn monkies

 

I saw Casey's tweets about screen shots, I went for "Ashley in Armour" and "Normandy Interior" I am not all that bothered about Ashley in Armour I just want a screen shot to shut other people up But I really would love to see what the new Normandy interior looks like.

 

Anyway I saw a post by the cuddly diplomatic Chris Priestly earlier today. He posted a news article called "10 must know facts". Now ordinarily I wouldn't post it here but I find it strange that Chris posted this in the official announcement forum. I get the impression that some of what will happen in Mass Effect 3 is related to the books/comics.

 

So for those of you that haven't read the books/comics here is the article :-

 

http://www.newsarama.com/games/10-must-kno...3-110707-1.html

 

Naturally there will be spoilers in that article with relation to the books and comics. I don't know if there are ME 3 spoilers but there might be some "set up" spoilers for ME 3. In short if you want to be safe and not sorry don't read the article.

[mrpain]

I read that. Someone posted it on my Facebook page.

 

I would love to see Kahlee Sanders at least makes an appearance in Mass Effect 3. She's really the other important human character.

 

Didn't know that Kai Leng is confirmed to be in ME3. Wonder how that battle is going to be like.

 

What I'm more interested in is Aria and what her role is in ME3. It was quite a shocker when it was revealed that she had a daughter who was then brutally murdered. Me want more don't f*ck with Aria.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Didn't know that Kai Leng is confirmed to be in ME3. Wonder how that battle is going to be like.

Yep it was revealed in the Game Informer article, they even have a concept drawing of what Kai Leng will look like :-

 

http://i.imgur.com/XHHuV.jpg

 

I too would love to see Kahlee Sanders in ME3 I get the feeling though it won't happen. My only worry is that they will bring that bloody Gillian Grayson into the game and I will totally facepalm if they make her a squad mate.

[mrpain]

 

Didn't know that Kai Leng is confirmed to be in ME3. Wonder how that battle is going to be like.

Yep it was revealed in the Game Informer article, they even have a concept drawing of what Kai Leng will look like :-

 

http://i.imgur.com/XHHuV.jpg

 

I too would love to see Kahlee Sanders in ME3 I get the feeling though it won't happen. My only worry is that they will bring that bloody Gillian Grayson into the game and I will totally facepalm if they make her a squad mate.

 

Yuck! I expected Kai Leng to look more badass and not just some hobo.

 

As for Gillian, I failed to see her as a grown up already. It's only been a few years! Hoping they won't turn her into another Jack.

 

Forgot to mention this but there's a huge spoiler about Cerberus in that top 10 things Charles posted. So don't read it if you don't wanna get spoilt.

 

 

I claimed this page.

Edited July 9, 2011 by mrpain

[papanesta]

Yay!

 

I personally didn't notice this Tweet, but read about it after.