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Wolfenhoffen

Fox News: Was 9/11 an inside job?

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Adler

Wow what's the point of the General Chat when all the topics end up like this?

 

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And it continues... sigh.gif

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GrandMaster Smith

Quotes from scientists in the 70's selling scare of global cooling:

 

Science magazine (Dec. 10, 1976) warned of "extensive Northern Hemisphere glaciation." Science Digest (February 1973) reported that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age." The Christian Science Monitor ("Warning: Earth's Climate is Changing Faster Than Even Experts Expect," Aug. 27, 1974) reported that glaciers "have begun to advance," "growing seasons in England and Scandinavia are getting shorter" and "the North Atlantic is cooling down about as fast as an ocean can cool." Newsweek agreed ("The Cooling World," April 28, 1975) that meteorologists "are almost unanimous" that catastrophic famines might result from the global cooling that the New York Times (Sept. 14, 1975) said "may mark the return to another ice age." The Times (May 21, 1975) also said "a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable" now that it is "well established" that the Northern Hemisphere's climate "has been getting cooler since about 1950."

 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...on_warming.html

 

 

 

30,000 Scientists wanting to sue Al Gore for fraud with global warming

 

 

 

 

 

Watch this quick documentary and you will understand how government and scientists are completely abusing 'global warming' by saying its all man made and are just using it to make $$

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you've actually watched those videos then it makes you think if Agenda 21 is about global warming, then whats it real purpose?

 

 

Everyone knows that 1% of the worlds population owns roughly 90% of the worlds total wealth. What more would you want if you own more money imaginable? More power, power over people. No individual sovereign states, just every all under one law and governance. If you've actually paid attention to those videos the picture might start to emerge unless you want to continue to believe that the governments main service is to protect you and that they've never lied before or ever used false flag attacks to get us into war or anything like that..

 

Also keeping on topic ..lol

 

 

 

Firefighters talking about bombs going off, these videos were originally confiscated.. why would that be?

 

 

Now I'm just gonna wait for ones who can't sit and actually read or watch anything I posted and instead just throw some more personal attacks..

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Jay
Epic troll or just retarded?

You can be both, tbh.

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Tyler

Dear lord, child. I already talked about global cooling, when I MAKING FUN OF YOU. Do you not get that it has no relevance to the topic a hand in any way? Was my satire too high-brow for you, because I aimed specifically for pseudo-mockery, I was thinking even the dumbest monkey in the jungle would be able to understand I was belligerently taking all of the completely useless crap that you've been throwing around in this topic, and making fun of you with it. Did you not get that? Are you so low on the intelligence spectrum that you believe Jesse Ventura is the only news source to trust simple because he was an ex-wrestler that (Supposedly) hates the government, even though he was a Minnesota governor?

 

Your sources are completely useless beyond reason, in fact, almost elementary in relevance. The original topic poster just hints at conspiracy and you post f*cking Mel Gibson pictures and the f*cking hollow Earth scandal.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

Dear lord, child. I already talked about global cooling, when I MAKING FUN OF YOU. Do you not get that it has no relevance to the topic a hand in any way? Was my satire too high-brow for you, because I aimed specifically for pseudo-mockery, I was thinking even the dumbest monkey in the jungle would be able to understand I was belligerently taking all of the completely useless crap that you've been throwing around in this topic, and making fun of you with it. Did you not get that? Are you so low on the intelligence spectrum that you believe Jesse Ventura is the only news source to trust simple because he was an ex-wrestler that (Supposedly) hates the government, even though he was a Minnesota governor?

 

Your sources are completely useless beyond reason, in fact, almost elementary in relevance. The original topic poster just hints at conspiracy and you post f*cking Mel Gibson pictures and the f*cking hollow Earth scandal.

Have you even paid any attention to whats said in any videos shown? hollow earth theory? where did you see anything close to that? If showing how global warming is a natural occurrence majorly affected by the sun, not humans which barely even put a dent in it.. it should make you kind of wonder why they're pushing to tax carbon dioxide then.. maybe to make money? To push a scam.. even research shows that temperature effects the amount of Co2, not the other way around..

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Have you even paid any attention to whats said in any videos shown? hollow earth theory? where did you see anything close to that? If showing how global warming is a natural occurrence majorly affected by the sun, not humans which barely even put a dent in it.. it should make you kind of wonder why they're pushing to tax carbon dioxide then.. maybe to make money? To push a scam.. even research shows that temperature effects the amount of Co2, not the other way around..

I agree with you to some extent, which is a surprise as most of what you've posted so far is utter crap. However, as natural as the warming/cooling phases of the earth are, greenhouse gases emitted by human action (and I'm not just talking carbon dioxide, there are far more dangerous and damaging gases emitted that have effects dozens of times that of CO2, like methane for example) does have a great impact. I'm not convinced by the idea that it's going to bring about some kind of biblical apocalypse, nor am I convinced that it's manufactured by the oil companies and governments to push people into buying more expensive technologies. Like most conspiracy theories, it twists the facts to suit its theory rather than building the theory on the facts.

 

And for the record, anyone who chooses to post their expose on youtube rather than writing it in a properly sourced, accountable book or report that can be critiqued properly and cross-referenced with the works of others isn't worth the time of day.

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Andrew

Guys lets keep it on topic.

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dog_day_sunrise
Guys lets keep it on topic.

But the topic is just the inane ramblings of a lunatic. And it's all been covered before on here anyway. Can't we just have the padlock?

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Guys lets keep it on topic.

But the topic is just the inane ramblings of a lunatic. And it's all been covered before on here anyway. Can't we just have the padlock?

*please

 

 

Or, at least, move it to Debates and Discussions. I'm sure Struff would love to moderate this one. tounge.gif (welcome back, Struff, btw)

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GrandMaster Smith

 

Guys lets keep it on topic.

But the topic is just the inane ramblings of a lunatic. And it's all been covered before on here anyway. Can't we just have the padlock?

Insane ramblings of a lunatic..? I've mentioned that 9/11 was an inside job because there is definite evidence that there were bombs located inside the twin towers. We have footage of NYPD firefighters discussing the sound of bombs while also other videos where you can actually hear them going off. I've mentioned Global Warming is real, but also a scam to make money off of and provided evidence to further my point.

You are the one mentioning little green men, you are the one mentioning some hollow earth bs, you are the one making all the absurd assumptions without obviously even reading or listening to what I've posted. If anyones being delusional, its you. Just because its not your trusted and loyal CNN or NBC doesn't mean you can't listen to a word others have to offer? You must understand how mainstream media is paid to literally lie to you, not about everything but alot of things, and if you want to start calling me a tinfoil hat looney about that I can show you proof of how they are corrupt and bought out.

It's a sick world out there and I can understand how people would have a hard time contemplating it and just want to ignore all of it and just go on with their 'free' lives.. The illusion of choice makes people believe they are free, until they learn that the same people own all the different choices..

Also just look at the new airport 3d naked body scanners that are being shoved down Americans throats then the over the top searches on every single person, whether a 3 year old girl or a 70 year old grandma, then are searched every inch of their body. It's been shown how noneffective these machines really are at finding bombs and that they cause more harm with their radiation. If they're shown to be useless then whats the point of them? Its practically treating humans like some sort of product and dehumanizing them pulling up fully nude pictures of everyone.. if anything this would be Hitlers dream machine.. How far is too far when this kinda sh*t goes down?

 

Seriously watch this and it makes you double think why the government would push for stuff like this? Its just wrong in so many ways..

 

 

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Guys lets keep it on topic.

But the topic is just the inane ramblings of a lunatic. And it's all been covered before on here anyway. Can't we just have the padlock?

Insane ramblings of a lunatic..? I've mentioned that 9/11 was an inside job because there is definite evidence that there were bombs located inside the twin towers. We have footage of NYPD firefighters discussing the sound of bombs while also other videos where you can actually hear them going off. I've mentioned Global Warming is real, but also a scam to make money off of and provided evidence to further my point.

You are the one mentioning little green men, you are the one mentioning some hollow earth bs, you are the one making all the absurd assumptions without obviously even reading or listening to what I've posted. If anyones being delusional, its you. Just because its not your trusted and loyal CNN or NBC doesn't mean you can't listen to a word others have to offer? You must understand how mainstream media is paid to literally lie to you, not about everything but alot of things, and if you want to start calling me a tinfoil hat looney about that I can show you proof of how they are corrupt and bought out.

It's a sick world out there and I can understand how people would have a hard time contemplating it and just want to ignore all of it and just go on with their 'free' lives.. The illusion of choice makes people believe they are free, until they learn that the same people own all the different choices..

Also just look at the new airport 3d naked body scanners that are being shoved down Americans throats then the over the top searches on every single person, whether a 3 year old girl or a 70 year old grandma, then are searched every inch of their body. It's been shown how noneffective these machines really are at finding bombs and that they cause more harm with their radiation. If they're shown to be useless then whats the point of them? Its practically treating humans like some sort of product and dehumanizing them pulling up fully nude pictures of everyone.. if anything this would be Hitlers dream machine.. How far is too far when this kinda sh*t goes down?

 

Seriously watch this and it makes you double think why the government would push for stuff like this? Its just wrong in so many ways..

 

 

STOP POSTING f*ckING YOUTUBE VIDEOS. THEY HAVE THE EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE MERIT OF GIBBERISH PRINTED ON A HOMELESS MAN'S TESTICLES.

 

I have not mentioned green men, hollow earth theory or any other such crap. Besides one post asking for a lock (please) and one post regarding global warming, the entirity of my posting history on this thread is concerned with debunking the bullsh*t around the 9/11 controlled demolition theory.

 

I will say it again for posterity, in nice clear points

 

 

 

 

 

 

-There is literally and physically NO WAY that the Twin Towers could have been brought down by a controlled explosion in the manner in which it collapsed. Phyically impossible. The dynamics of the collapse suggest a slow degredation of structural integrity compounded with the failure of multiple support columns high in the building, resulting in the primary structural load of the top 20-odd floors of each building being placed on a small number of already weakened supports. THIS CANNOT BE ACHIEVED, IN THE MANNER SHOWN BY BOTH INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENTS AND BY THE FOOTAGE OF THE COLLAPSE, WITH EXPLOSIVES.

 

-There is NO empirical evidence suggesting that, even if a controlled demolition WERE physically possible, it actually happened. No explosive traces, no evidence of demolition crews entering either of the two towers (and no breaks or issues with the internal, 24/7 CCTV footage that was all documented off-site by one of the primary companies in the towers, Marsh Mclennan Companies/Bowring (who I have done freelance strategic consulting for, by the way), who also acted as insurer for a number of the companies operating in the towers.

 

-Even if it WERE possible to sneak demolition teams into towers, rig it with explosives and blow it up, as I've said before, how does the CIA/NSA somehow manage a complete information blackout combined with the largest misinformation program in worldwide history to disguise the assassination of hundreds of foreign nationals? Even Mossad, widely regarded as the most ruthless and well organised intelligence agency in the world, struggles to assassinate on person without foreign agencies finding out. How did the moderately inept and severly muzzled CIA or NSA pull that off?

 

I work in the defence and security sector. I have worked on projects risk assessing just this kind of thing. al-Qaeda was a threat long before 9/11. They have remained a threat since it. By suggesting it was an inside job, are you also suggesting their other attack on the Twin Towers, the 1993 bombing, was also an inside job?

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This topic is misleading. It isn't Fox News declaring 9/11 an inside job, it is simply an employee. As per the standard disclaimer, the opinions of Geraldo are not necessarily those of his employer. Therefore, you can't proclaim Fox News is saying 9/11 is an inside job.

 

If one person can be held accountable for the opinion of a company/country/etc, can I be the official GTAForums Opinion Spokesperson? Though, this cavalier attitude is to be expected when Fox News is being spoken about. People rarely speak any truths about that network, so I shouldn't be surprised to see this outrageous claim being made against such a 'biased,' 'racist,' 'homophobic,' 'extreme left wing,' 'stupid,' 'redneck,' 'hillbilly,' and whatever new buzz word you can use news channel.

 

 

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Guys lets keep it on topic.

But the topic is just the inane ramblings of a lunatic. And it's all been covered before on here anyway. Can't we just have the padlock?

Insane ramblings of a lunatic..? I've mentioned that 9/11 was an inside job because there is definite evidence that there were bombs located inside the twin towers. We have footage of NYPD firefighters discussing the sound of bombs while also other videos where you can actually hear them going off. I've mentioned Global Warming is real, but also a scam to make money of.....

 

 

STOP POSTING f*ckING YOUTUBE VIDEOS. THEY HAVE THE EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE MERIT OF GIBBERISH PRINTED ON A HOMELESS MAN'S TESTICLES.

 

I have not mentioned green men, hollow earth theory or any other such crap. Besides one post asking for a lock (please) and one post regarding global warming, the entirity of my posting history on this thread is concerned with debunking the bullsh*t around the 9/11 controlled demolition theory.

 

I will say it again for posterity, in nice clear points

 

 

 

 

 

 

-There is literally and physically NO WAY that the Twin Towers could have been brought down by a controlled explosion in the manner in which it collapsed. Phyically impossible. The dynamics of the collapse suggest a slow degredation of structural integrity compounded with the failure of multiple support columns high in the building, resulting in the primary structural load of the top 20-odd floors of each building being placed on a small number of already weakened supports. THIS CANNOT BE ACHIEVED, IN THE MANNER SHOWN BY BOTH INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENTS AND BY THE FOOTAGE OF THE COLLAPSE, WITH EXPLOSIVES.

 

-There is NO empirical evidence suggesting that, even if a controlled demolition WERE physically possible, it actually happened. No explosive traces, no evidence of demolition crews entering either of the two towers (and no breaks or issues with the internal, 24/7 CCTV footage that was all documented off-site by one of the primary companies in the towers, Marsh Mclennan Companies/Bowring (who I have done freelance strategic consulting for, by the way), who also acted as insurer for a number of the companies operating in the towers.

 

-Even if it WERE possible to sneak demolition teams into towers, rig it with explosives and blow it up, as I've said before, how does the CIA/NSA somehow manage a complete information blackout combined with the largest misinformation program in worldwide history to disguise the assassination of hundreds of foreign nationals? Even Mossad, widely regarded as the most ruthless and well organised intelligence agency in the world, struggles to assassinate on person without foreign agencies finding out. How did the moderately inept and severly muzzled CIA or NSA pull that off?

 

I work in the defence and security sector. I have worked on projects risk assessing just this kind of thing. al-Qaeda was a threat long before 9/11. They have remained a threat since it. By suggesting it was an inside job, are you also suggesting their other attack on the Twin Towers, the 1993 bombing, was also an inside job?

Rather than paying any attention to whats said in the videos.. you just go on to throw out personal attacks about me using youtube videos...

Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

How would the CIA be able to cover up 9/11? Well first of all the the 9/11 investigation was all government agencies meaning a very bias investigation. And just think of the possibility that IF 9-11 was an inside job, then who better to investigate than the ones who help commit the crime?

There is a complete media blackout on anyone who calls out a new investigation to 9-11, anyone on mainstream media who even brings up the thought of so is instantly labeled a nutcase even if they provide good evidence. No matter what. No one is even allowed to question 9-11 without there being some sort of obsurd reaction and I can't stand it.

It has happened before, they've recently came forward about knowing about the Gulf of Tonkin incident used as a pretext to get us into the Vietnam war. But of course they've done it before, they'll never do it again..

Why would the government confiscate private security videos showing of the pentagon attack or firefighters talking about explosives going off while in the towers? Also why are there traces of nano-thermite in the debris? Why can you see videos showing stuff burning that looks identical to thermite before the towers collapsed? How would they have gotten away with planting bombs you may ask? Well theres reports of a team that worked on the elevators just weeks before the attack.. perfect cover for an inside job.. and what about building 7? Some claim it fell due to falling debris from the WTC but then officials said they had to pull it since it had filled up with fire and smoke.. if it was filled with smoke and fire how did they manage to get a whole demolition team in and out within hours? If anything its almost as if they had the bombs planted beforehand as if expecting all of this to happen.. There is evidence of bombs going off, I've posted videos showing that you can hear bombs going off, you can even watch firefighters talking about bombs going off, but since they're from youtube it doesnt mean sh*t and doesn't even matter, right?

Theres lots of unanswered questions, and theres a big blackout whenever these questions are asked and you're labeled unamerican if you ask such a thing.. its stupid.

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I've mentioned that 9/11 was an inside job because there is definite evidence that there were bombs located inside the twin towers. We have footage of NYPD firefighters discussing the sound of bombs while also other videos where you can actually hear them going off.

This doesn't constitute evidence. Firefighters may be very slightly more likely yo be able to identify the sound of a bobm than a regular member of the public, but not by much. Plus lots of things sound like bomb explosions, especially when you're in, you know, a towering inferno full of burning metal, ridiculously hot air and jet fuel.

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Andrew

You really are an idiot.

 

Youtube videos mean absolutely jack sh*te, anyone with a video camera could record something and make it look half relevant and realistic. Most people in this topic can post actual evidence and are backing up their claims with fact and statistics. All you can do is say what the governments done, but where is your proof? A youtube video. Pah, find some real evidence.

 

At the moment all you're stating is rumours, rumours that joe at the corner shop looked at and decided it was this and that.

 

The only reason conspircy theorists exists is because they are bored and have nothing else to do with their lives and are paranoid that the government is trying to form some mass world government and squash everyones rights.

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Rather than paying any attention to whats said in the videos.. you just go on to throw out personal attacks about me using youtube videos...

Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

How would the CIA be able to cover up 9/11? Well first of all the the 9/11 investigation was all government agencies meaning a very bias investigation. And just think of the possibility that IF 9-11 was an inside job, then who better to investigate than the ones who help commit the crime?

There is a complete media blackout on anyone who calls out a new investigation to 9-11, anyone on mainstream media who even brings up the thought of so is instantly labeled a nutcase even if they provide good evidence. No matter what. No one is even allowed to question 9-11 without there being some sort of obsurd reaction and I can't stand it.

It has happened before, they've recently came forward about knowing about the Gulf of Tonkin incident used as a pretext to get us into the Vietnam war. But of course they've done it before, they'll never do it again..

Why would the government confiscate private security videos showing of the pentagon attack or firefighters talking about explosives going off while in the towers? Also why are there traces of nano-thermite in the debris? Why can you see videos showing stuff burning that looks identical to thermite before the towers collapsed? How would they have gotten away with planting bombs you may ask? Well theres reports of a team that worked on the elevators just weeks before the attack.. perfect cover for an inside job.. and what about building 7? Some claim it fell due to falling debris from the WTC but then officials said they had to pull it since it had filled up with fire and smoke.. if it was filled with smoke and fire how did they manage to get a whole demolition team in and out within hours? If anything its almost as if they had the bombs planted beforehand as if expecting all of this to happen.. There is evidence of bombs going off, I've posted videos showing that you can hear bombs going off, you can even watch firefighters talking about bombs going off, but since they're from youtube it doesnt mean sh*t and doesn't even matter, right?

Theres lots of unanswered questions, and theres a big blackout whenever these questions are asked and you're labeled unamerican if you ask such a thing.. its stupid.

Please for the love of god use spaced paragraphs. I've been having a few good reads of this topic, and it's all a good read, until I get to your posts which are a pain to read

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GrandMaster Smith

 

You really are an idiot.

 

Youtube videos mean absolutely jack sh*te, anyone with a video camera could record something and make it look half relevant and realistic. Most people in this topic can post actual evidence and are backing up their claims with fact and statistics. All you can do is say what the governments done, but where is your proof? A youtube video. Pah, find some real evidence.

 

At the moment all you're stating is rumours, rumours that joe at the corner shop looked at and decided it was this and that.

 

The only reason conspircy theorists exists is because they are bored and have nothing else to do with their lives and are paranoid that the government is trying to form some mass world government and squash everyones rights.

Wow this is exactly what I mean.. just because they're from youtube means that they have absolutely no authenticity whatsoever.. There are facts and statistics, you just have to watch a ten minute video..

 

And I'm just posting rumors from around the bend.. that why Fox news has been talking about how government is becoming more and more intrusive these days trying to get involved with our everyday lives.. now dont get started on how sh*tty fox can be, but recently I've seen a few shows on there actually getting the balls to tell the truth about some things so I have some respect for them. Alot of people are starting to talk of how we're becoming a big brother state and before you know it we're going to be as bad off as the UK.

 

Alot of things come down to money, and until you realize how the federal reserve prints money out of thin air backed by Nothing, selling it to us with interest basically digging our own grave by creating a completely unavoidable debt crisis, you start to realize how this whole economic collapse is on purpose. If you look at how Europe is at riots in the streets and in total chaos because they've ran their debt up so high that their whole country is screwed. America is coming up next, food prices will start to rise more and more, the basic cost of living will rise, the amount of available jobs will become more scarce.. This country is headed down the pit as we speak, and you honestly expect the ones who created this financial problem in the first place is really going to fix it? Their saying is 'out of chaos comes order,' even Rahm Emanuel said it himself.. if they create a giant crisis, they can much easily get control over people than without one. This is why they have built fema residential areas, for when you lose your house in this crisis you can go and live there. I personaly believe within the few years out of this economic crisis we are going to see proposals for a worldwide currency and law in the names of the economic collapse and terrorism. You can see most of this stuff covered in that Jesse Ventura episode, which he has done much research for it and if you're going to discredit someone just because of being an ex wrestler then that's just plain dumb. He was also a navy seal and governor which means he's been involved with government and obviously knows more than you. I highly recommend going back a couple pages and just watch it all the way through and pay attention with an open mind before bashing me anymore..

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Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

Actually it was William Jefferson 'Slick Willie' Clinton that was office during the time of the first WTC bombings.

 

But don't let silly things like facts get in the way of you theory.

 

Where's the Hardly Boys when you need them?

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Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

Actually it was William Jefferson 'Slick Willie' Clinton that was office during the time of the first WTC bombings.

 

But don't let silly things like facts get in the way of you theory.

 

Where's the Hardly Boys when you need them?

Okay sorry like 2 years after Bush announced plans for the new world order, in his own worlds. Different president, same agenda, they're all bought out by the guys with the money, not the people like America originally was supposed to be. You can see how the lies go time after time just like Obama promising change and turns out worse than Bush Jr., its the same thing every time..

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Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

Actually it was William Jefferson 'Slick Willie' Clinton that was office during the time of the first WTC bombings.

 

But don't let silly things like facts get in the way of you theory.

 

Where's the Hardly Boys when you need them?

Clinton was president during the bombing albeit for a little over a month smile.gif

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Rather than paying any attention to whats said in the videos.. you just go on to throw out personal attacks about me using youtube videos...

Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

 

How would the CIA be able to cover up 9/11? Well first of all the the 9/11 investigation was all government agencies meaning a very bias investigation. And just think of the possibility that IF 9-11 was an inside job, then who better to investigate than the ones who help commit the crime?

 

There is a complete media blackout on anyone who calls out a new investigation to 9-11, anyone on mainstream media who even brings up the thought of so is instantly labeled a nutcase even if they provide good evidence. No matter what. No one is even allowed to question 9-11 without there being some sort of obsurd reaction and I can't stand it.

It has happened before, they've recently came forward about knowing about the Gulf of Tonkin incident used as a pretext to get us into the Vietnam war. But of course they've done it before, they'll never do it again..

 

Why would the government confiscate private security videos showing of the pentagon attack or firefighters talking about explosives going off while in the towers? Also why are there traces of nano-thermite in the debris? Why can you see videos showing stuff burning that looks identical to thermite before the towers collapsed? How would they have gotten away with planting bombs you may ask? Well theres reports of a team that worked on the elevators just weeks before the attack.. perfect cover for an inside job.. and what about building 7? Some claim it fell due to falling debris from the WTC but then officials said they had to pull it since it had filled up with fire and smoke.. if it was filled with smoke and fire how did they manage to get a whole demolition team in and out within hours? If anything its almost as if they had the bombs planted beforehand as if expecting all of this to happen.. There is evidence of bombs going off, I've posted videos showing that you can hear bombs going off, you can even watch firefighters talking about bombs going off, but since they're from youtube it doesnt mean sh*t and doesn't even matter, right?

 

Theres lots of unanswered questions, and theres a big blackout whenever these questions are asked and you're labeled unamerican if you ask such a thing.. its stupid.

...Except you've completely failed to provide any properly researched information, just speculation.

 

I honestly can't be bothered to read your posts any more. They're just utter drivel, all I can be bothered with is a skim read. On this skim read I will make the following points.

 

1) In order to use enough thermite to burn through the supporting columns, you'd need quite literally tonnes of the stuff. More than enough to light up the whole of downtown New York like one, huge flare. How come this didn't happen? Have you ever SEEN how brightly Thermite burns? Not to mention the magnesium ribbon that is usually used to trigger it burning even brighter...

 

2) You fail to address the investigative roles of other intelligence agencies in 9/11. As do just about all conspiracy theories. You have not yet explained how the US government could get away with assassinating hundreds of foreign nationals in such an obvious and heavily reported way, or how intelligence agencies outside of the US, many of whom have a far better grip on reality and current affairs than US agencies, could be decieved in such a way. It's just not possible. To put it into context, Mossad was assassinating suspected PLO terrorists with extremely technically advanced weapons in the 1970's, and have carried on doing so to this day. The CIA researched Remove Viewing until 2004. 'Nuff said.

 

3) Your complete lack of factual accuracy is astounding. You honestly can't expect me to take you seriously if you don't even know who was president in 1993.

 

4) Intelligent people write books or papers, state their sorces, make rational conclusions backed up with evidence and allow public critique of their work, responding to critique with counter critique. That is how theories should be presented, and for the most part how they are. The hysterical and uneducated masses make a video with a $300 camera and some local crack-pots and post it on youtube.

 

Fin.

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Yeah I know its a youtube video, but really just watch it. Its the last part to his whole episode and he can't even get a straight answer out of the congressman who signed the bill for fema camps. I love how he first tries to discredit the idea by mentioning little green men trying to make to idea sound crazy.. looks like theyve got people conditioned to react the same way everytime they hear a conspiracy, no matter what evidence is at hand. If that isn't any sort of evidence that either A) Congress signs bills without even looking at them because they're getting paid or B) They know the true agenda and are playing dumb, then in that case I truly don't know what more you'd want.

 

 

 

 

1) It's called nano-thermite,

 

2) There are other private investigators that found traces of nano-thermite in the dust, but completely ignored..

 

3) One little slip.. I'm always ripped when I come on gtaf so my mind isn't always fully funtioning, which you can see in my lack of proof reading here and there lol

 

4) These videos were built off of research, how can you deny documentaries for a good source of information?

 

 

 

 

Please explain how the United States Government managed to persuade three planes of people, the Twin Towers workers, Pentagon workers, the CIA, FBI, United States Military, NORAD, FAA, British Intelligence and everyone else involved with planning, organizing and carrying out this plan.

 

The people involved would be several hundred thousand easily. Three thousand alone would have sacrificed their lives on the planes and in the towers. Then you have people at the Pentagon and all the administrative people involved. There is no way that so many people could be kept quiet for so long, even for 2 years. If this really was an inside job, please explain how the f*ck it was organized and carried out without alerting the general populace nor the relatives of the victims.

 

 

 

How did they keep the Gulf of Tonkin false flag attack quiet for so long? Through propaganda and thick skulled people who can't ever believe that their own government would betray their own people. How exactly did so many people involved keep quiet? Couldn't answer that, but more than likely threats for their lives if they spill. You do realize that people of WWII Germany hadn't a clue what they were doing was so wrong and didn't really know what was going in the camps? It wasn't till everything was over that they saw everything that had been done. I just dont want a dumbed down society going through that again. Not saying to live a paranoid life, just aware of what may really be going on behind the closed doors in the white house..

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Rather than paying any attention to whats said in the videos.. you just go on to throw out personal attacks about me using youtube videos...

Its funny the twin tower attacks of '93 happened when Bush Sr. was in office and just announcing the new world order in his speech.. but the attack didn't hurt enough people so they weren't able to pass anti-terrorism bills.

 

How would the CIA be able to cover up 9/11? Well first of all the the 9/11 investigation was all government agencies meaning a very bias investigation. And just think of the possibility that IF 9-11 was an inside job, then who better to investigate than the ones who help commit the crime?

 

There is a complete media blackout on anyone who calls out a new investigation to 9-11, anyone on mainstream media who even brings up the thought of so is instantly labeled a nutcase even if they provide good evidence. No matter what.  No one is even allowed to question 9-11 without there being some sort of obsurd reaction and I can't stand it.

It has happened before, they've recently came forward about knowing about the Gulf of Tonkin incident used as a pretext to get us into the Vietnam war. But of course they've done it before, they'll never do it again..

 

Why would the government confiscate private security videos showing of the pentagon attack or firefighters talking about explosives going off while in the towers? Also why are there traces of nano-thermite in the debris? Why can you see videos showing stuff burning that looks identical to thermite before the towers collapsed? How would they have gotten away with planting bombs you may ask? Well theres reports of a team that worked on the elevators just weeks before the attack.. perfect cover for an inside job.. and what about building 7? Some claim it fell due to falling debris from the WTC but then officials said they had to pull it since it had filled up with fire and smoke.. if it was filled with smoke and fire how did they manage to get a whole demolition team in and out within hours? If anything its almost as if they had the bombs planted beforehand as if expecting all of this to happen.. There is evidence of bombs going off, I've posted videos showing that you can hear bombs going off, you can even watch firefighters talking about bombs going off, but since they're from youtube it doesnt mean sh*t and doesn't even matter, right?

 

Theres lots of unanswered questions, and theres a big blackout whenever these questions are asked and you're labeled unamerican if you ask such a thing.. its stupid.

...Except you've completely failed to provide any properly researched information, just speculation.

 

I honestly can't be bothered to read your posts any more. They're just utter drivel, all I can be bothered with is a skim read. On this skim read I will make the following points.

 

1) In order to use enough thermite to burn through the supporting columns, you'd need quite literally tonnes of the stuff. More than enough to light up the whole of downtown New York like one, huge flare. How come this didn't happen? Have you ever SEEN how brightly Thermite burns? Not to mention the magnesium ribbon that is usually used to trigger it burning even brighter...

 

2) You fail to address the investigative roles of other intelligence agencies in 9/11. As do just about all conspiracy theories. You have not yet explained how the US government could get away with assassinating hundreds of foreign nationals in such an obvious and heavily reported way, or how intelligence agencies outside of the US, many of whom have a far better grip on reality and current affairs than US agencies, could be decieved in such a way. It's just not possible. To put it into context, Mossad was assassinating suspected PLO terrorists with extremely technically advanced weapons in the 1970's, and have carried on doing so to this day. The CIA researched Remove Viewing until 2004. 'Nuff said.

 

3) Your complete lack of factual accuracy is astounding. You honestly can't expect me to take you seriously if you don't even know who was president in 1993.

 

4) Intelligent people write books or papers, state their sorces, make rational conclusions backed up with evidence and allow public critique of their work, responding to critique with counter critique. That is how theories should be presented, and for the most part how they are. The hysterical and uneducated masses make a video with a $300 camera and some local crack-pots and post it on youtube.

 

Fin.

The biggest thing that ends this conspiracy is:

 

Please explain how the United States Government managed to persuade three planes of people, the Twin Towers workers, Pentagon workers, the CIA, FBI, United States Military, NORAD, FAA, British Intelligence and everyone else involved with planning, organizing and carrying out this plan.

 

The people involved would be several hundred thousand easily. Three thousand alone would have sacrificed their lives on the planes and in the towers. Then you have people at the Pentagon and all the administrative people involved. There is no way that so many people could be kept quiet for so long, even for 2 years. If this really was an inside job, please explain how the f*ck it was organized and carried out without alerting the general populace nor the relatives of the victims.

 

If you can explain all that, I will believe 'your' version of events than the official researched and proven version of events. Until then, shut the f*ck UP!

 

( Note: That is directed at GrandMaster Smith, not dog_day_sunrise. )

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Holy sh*t, GMS, It's a f*cking TV show for god's sake. There is no factuality in it in the slightest. You think it's real because it's on a channel called Trutv? I'm not going to sit here and use cheap shots anymore, mostly because by simply reading your post, you negate your own believability. It's called 'assisted reality' and it's the same thing that they do for reality television shows. Sure, it really happened, but there were scripts, and talks of ratings between Jesse Ventura and the senators.

 

If there is any conspiracy here, it's that Jesse Ventura is a f*cking hoax.

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1) It's called nano-thermite,

 

2) There are other private investigators that found traces of nano-thermite in the dust, but completely ignored..

 

3) One little slip.. I'm always ripped when I come on gtaf so my mind isn't always fully funtioning, which you can see in my lack of proof reading here and there lol

 

4) These videos were built off of research, how can you deny documentaries for a good source of information?

1) Nanothermite isn't any more "powerful" than normal thermite. It burns at a similar temperature and with near identical energy transmission levels, as you'd expect using the same fuel (aluminium) as normal thermite (but a whole variety of different oxidizing agents). The only advantages it has are 1) being easier to initiate a reaction in and 2) being more stable in terms of producing more uniform cuts or welds. It's also worth pointing out that thermite/microthermite, like all non-explosive combustants, burns vertically rather than horizontally and only has a relatively small area of effect. It's also much more commonly used for fuzing things together than burning them apart.

 

2) Oh, and finding traces of aluminium, iron, molybedium and potassium permangenate in the ruins of a building isn't likely? Those are the main ingredients in commercial thermite or thermite-like products. They're also found very commonly in, well just about everything. Molybedium is use with chrome to coat steel. Iron and aluminium were elements in the construction of the building, and potassium permanganate is used in sterilzation and water purification. Are you telling me that these elements wouldn't be found in MOST buildings?

 

3) Don't come and try and post anything intelligent when you're wasted. That's the lesson here.

 

4) Because they use dubious witnesses and articles taken out of context, aren't represntational of both sides of the argument, don't state the sources of their information and don't come to reasoned and logical concusions. They ride to popularity by hijacking people's sense of dismay and betrayal at such a serious disaster, and twist the human desire to want to explain things away. They're based on speculation and sensationalism rather than fact.

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The biggest thing that ends this conspiracy is:

 

Please explain how the United States Government managed to persuade three planes of people, the Twin Towers workers, Pentagon workers, the CIA, FBI, United States Military, NORAD, FAA, British Intelligence and everyone else involved with planning, organizing and carrying out this plan.

 

The people involved would be several hundred thousand easily. Three thousand alone would have sacrificed their lives on the planes and in the towers. Then you have people at the Pentagon and all the administrative people involved. There is no way that so many people could be kept quiet for so long, even for 2 years. If this really was an inside job, please explain how the f*ck it was organized and carried out without alerting the general populace nor the relatives of the victims.

 

If you can explain all that, I will believe 'your' version of events than the official researched and proven version of events. Until then, shut the f*ck UP!

 

( Note: That is directed at GrandMaster Smith, not dog_day_sunrise. )

Come on, GrandMaster Smith, I am waiting for you to prove this to me. Since, your whole argument essential rests on the Government persuading hundreds of people to do what it says. I've noticed throughout history, that the only times Governments are successful tends to be when they are at war, otherwise, the populace pretty much ignores them.

 

So, please, tell me how the US Government persuaded all those people.

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He did respond, albeit in a non-helpful way. Look at the post above yours, it was an edit add-in.

 

 

not the people like America originally was supposed to be

 

Originally how?

As in the Declaration of Independence?

As in the Articles of Confederation?

or as in the Constitution which only included public input in the form of the House?

 

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How did they keep the Gulf of Tonkin false flag attack quiet for so long? Through propaganda and thick skulled people who can't ever believe that their own government would betray their own people. How exactly did so many people involved keep quiet? Couldn't answer that, but more than likely threats for their lives if they spill. You do realize that people of WWII Germany hadn't a clue what they were doing was so wrong and didn't really know what was going in the camps? It wasn't till everything was over that they saw everything that had been done. I just dont want a dumbed down society going through that again. Not saying to live a paranoid life, just aware of what may really be going on behind the closed doors in the white house..

So, you are saying that the MSM, who absolutely hated the Bush Administration, helped cover up? Really? I found that so doubtful.

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im still curious on how the US government kept this a secret from other more orginized governmental assosiations internationally... like some one else said Mosad is easily the best inteligence agency in the world right now and yet if 9/11 is false how the hell do they not know> because the fact that terrorists crashed planes into a building is purely that, Fact.

 

 

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Guys lets keep it on topic.

But the topic is just the inane ramblings of a lunatic. And it's all been covered before on here anyway. Can't we just have the padlock?

*please

 

 

Or, at least, move it to Debates and Discussions. I'm sure Struff would love to moderate this one. tounge.gif (welcome back, Struff, btw)

If Struff's around and he wants to keep it clean, then I'm all for it. I'm loathe to put this away because it's actually a relatively civil, rational conversation on the matter compared to some other forums. It speaks quite well for most of the members here actually.

 

So, Debates & Discussion it is, but a move link in Gen Chat will remain. As such, from this point on the discussion here should be of the standards we have come to know in that sections. Onward we go....

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