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Wolfenhoffen

Fox News: Was 9/11 an inside job?

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K^2
Well holy sh*t. Given that I have more infinitely more faith in you as a physicist than I do in the government as record keepers, perhaps the real issue here is that there are mistakes in the official report? I mean, not only would the pentagon be interested in keeping its construction somewhat classified, but there are also theories that the government itself is behind a lot of these conspiracy theories. A whole nest of conspiracies.

 

But yeah, again, a government document? I sign one every time I fly into the states that asks me, in coach, if I want to delcare cash over the amount of $10,000. Bureaucracy, diligence and accurate data don't mix.

Report simply makes it easier to locate the beams and count the distances. If you look at the images, you can confirm every single beam marked as destroyed as such, and every beam marked as severely damaged/impacted as still standing in place. 8 beams are knocked out. At least 9 have to be knocked out for the 757 to fit through. Simulation also shows 9 beams knocked out. 1/9 might sound like an insignificant error until you note that it's a 10ft difference.

 

Square peg through a round hole.

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Well holy sh*t.  Given that I have more infinitely more faith in you as a physicist than I do in the government as record keepers, perhaps the real issue here is that there are mistakes in the official report?  I mean, not only would the pentagon be interested in keeping its construction somewhat classified, but there are also theories that the government itself is behind a lot of these conspiracy theories.  A whole nest of conspiracies.

 

But yeah, again, a government document?  I sign one every time I fly into the states that asks me, in coach, if I want to delcare cash over the amount of $10,000.  Bureaucracy, diligence and accurate data don't mix.

Report simply makes it easier to locate the beams and count the distances. If you look at the images, you can confirm every single beam marked as destroyed as such, and every beam marked as severely damaged/impacted as still standing in place. 8 beams are knocked out. At least 9 have to be knocked out for the 757 to fit through. Simulation also shows 9 beams knocked out. 1/9 might sound like an insignificant error until you note that it's a 10ft difference.

 

Square peg through a round hole.

...but again, you're basing these figures off of government supplied data? And hopefully not the paltry selection of images before the collapse?

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vertical limit

they only destroyed that building bcz George Bush was supporting the Israeli army to attack the Middle Eastern countries

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dribble

Most people are actually contributing scientific information and debating sensibly about the theories behind it. You however just seem to shout and spout a load of rubbish about how they are people who support the government, how there has been practice runs on the whole attack days before it actually happened, other crap that bares no relevance to the topic at hand.

 

You go on about how the US president now has the power to assinate any US citizen, on the grounds of terrorism, I think you'll find that they'd have to have a real cause, evidence of this persons involvement with the attacks and even then they'd have to give them a trial and then sentence them to prison or death row.

 

 

 

 

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dribble

Most people are actually contributing scientific information and debating sensibly about the theories behind it. You however just seem to shout and spout a load of rubbish about how they are people who support the government, how there has been practice runs on the whole attack days before it actually happened, other crap that bares no relevance to the topic at hand.

 

You go on about how the US president now has the power to assinate any US citizen, on the grounds of terrorism, I think you'll find that they'd have to have a real cause, evidence of this persons involvement with the attacks and even then they'd have to give them a trial and then sentence them to prison or death row.

This is who they view as a threat..

The Modern Militia Movement

 

Basically anyone who doubts the governemt and opposes what they want is a threat to them..

 

 

Martial law

 

If these guys are just nuts.. then why would they pose any sort of threat?

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This is why the government is worried about militias.

 

This is why the government is worried about crazy people.

 

and this... and this...

 

And of course, the topic

 

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Shylock

Must be a slow week in the news.

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...but again, you're basing these figures off of government supplied data? And hopefully not the paltry selection of images before the collapse?

Combination of official reports, other reports, plans for the Pentagon, pictures taken from the site from different angles, both before and after collapse. All of it shows 8 beams knocked out, either by direct observation, or by measuring out the distances and comparing them to references. The hypothesis that at least 9 beams have been knocked out simply doesn't stand against the evidence.

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If a plane didn't hit the pentagon, who scattered aircraft debris at the site?

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If a plane didn't hit the pentagon, who scattered aircraft debris at the site?

And how the hell would you do so without anyone seeing, considering the Pentagon is in downtown Washington?

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If a plane didn't hit the pentagon, who scattered aircraft debris at the site?

And how the hell would you do so without anyone seeing, considering the Pentagon is in downtown Washington?

This is exactly the reason I get so frustrated by troofers. They can't see how illogical their claims are. This is what it boils down to:

 

A plane hit the Pentagon. Or, an unknown object hit the Pentagon, 59 people and an aircraft mysteriously vanished, and the debris from the missing airplane was collected from another area and distributed, without anyone noticing, at the site.

 

That makes no sense whatsoever, and is not even remotely believable.

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KILLUMINATI

I guess I can take comfort in that you will probably never find a mate.

 

You don't know how much I hate those letters when they're put together like that.

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This is why the government is worried about militias.

 

This is why the government is worried about crazy people.

 

and this... and this...

 

And of course, the topic

 

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An exaggeration on all counts. Timothy McVeigh never really was part of the militia movement, he attended something like one meeting once and never returned. The discovery guy was a mentally disturbed man who took the global warming threat too seriously. The Austin plane crash was more of a angry suicide than a political terrorist act. The Cole bombing was perpetrated by Al Qaeda. Liberals like to make a violent extremist threat out of militia types but more often than not they are a very fragmented group of people with differing views. Those Christian Militants who wanted to gun down all the cops very likely had no support from the regular anti-government militias.

 

It's funny that in classic mechanics it remains very difficult to predict real life physics of large objects. There are far too many variables to account for, and computer models don't always address this. I remember a computer model that could not under any circumstances envision a leaning tower of Pisa that didn't collapse. With that in mind I don't lose sleep over slight inconsistencies with the Pentagon impact simply because the only way to really know would be to do it again in a test. The simplest explanation is usually the best, and in this case it seems pretty obvious this was a 757 hitting the pentagon, perpetrated by terrorists.

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dribble

Most people are actually contributing scientific information and debating sensibly about the theories behind it. You however just seem to shout and spout a load of rubbish about how they are people who support the government, how there has been practice runs on the whole attack days before it actually happened, other crap that bares no relevance to the topic at hand.

 

You go on about how the US president now has the power to assinate any US citizen, on the grounds of terrorism, I think you'll find that they'd have to have a real cause, evidence of this persons involvement with the attacks and even then they'd have to give them a trial and then sentence them to prison or death row.

This is who they view as a threat..

The Modern Militia Movement

 

Basically anyone who doubts the governemt and opposes what they want is a threat to them..

 

 

Martial law

 

If these guys are just nuts.. then why would they pose any sort of threat?

Where do you get off? It should have been several floors ago.

 

There are far too many discrepancies in the conspiracy theories to give them any real time of day. Yes, people may point to the unusual behavior of the aircraft that his the Pentagon and cry foul play, but the allegation that some spotty teenage oiks who've seen too many sensationalist documentaries on the subject and think they can "see" where the most powerful intelligence agency in the world "made mistakes in their cover-up" is just bullcrap.

 

1) I can't foresee the CIA or NSA perpetrating a terrorist attack on their own people in such a blazoned and obvious way and then failing to spot the glaring "errors" reported by the conspiracy theorists. Even if they were the cuprits, it would have been far easier to procure a jet liner to use in the attack than it would be to try and do it using a military jet aircraft that bears no similarities to any commercial jetliner.

 

2) The "it was something else" theory completely discounts the fact that human remains containing DNA matching to the passengers of the 757 that hit the Pentagon was scattered around the impact site. DNA does not lie.

 

3) There is an absurd-to-the-point-of-overwhelming amount of evidence against the conspiracy theories- large amounts of commercial airliner debris, human remains from the passengers on board as well as personal effects that survived the impact and subsequent explosion, eyewitness statements of dozens of people, the fact that such a plot had been both discussed and planned previously by al-Qaeda, the independent testimony of those involved in its formulation and execution...

 

If you want to believe the conspiracy crap go ahead, I won't stop you. However, I will call you a poorly informed, hysterical, suspicionist idiot.

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D- Ice

 

As soon as I hear/read "FOX News" and "Geraldo" in the same sentence I know right away it's a crock of sh*t.

 

 

 

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Lol, so true. Usually for me, I know it's a crock of sh*t just with seeing/hearing "FOX News" on its own. tounge.gif

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Mike Tequeli

People went to jail for the satanic abuse moral panic, this kind of hysteria is more damaging than you realize. Geraldo is an utter twat.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

This is why the government is worried about militias.

 

This is why the government is worried about crazy people.

 

and this... and this...

 

And of course, the topic

 

Rown rampage_ani.gif

Then what about Ron Paul supporters.. people who support the constitution..? In some videos I posted some pages back there's this girl that was targeted as a threat by the fusion centers being set up across the US for peacefully protesting.. you can't even express your freedom of speech anymore without being seen as a threat.

 

 

 

 

If you seriously just take a step back from everything and look at everything they've done since 9-11, they have basically thrown the constitution out of the window. When will it end? How far is too far when people start realizing something isn't right? Are you guys gonna realize after its too late and we have military officials standing around the city corners or cctvs being able to watch your every move like London is right now? I mean, its happened before so it certainly can happen again.. all the bills of being able to abuse their power are being put into place.. its only a matter of time and one more big 'terrorists attack' to get sh*t into motion.

 

Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

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Shylock
Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

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Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Global Warming causing 9/11?? Now that takes the pineapple cake lol.giflol.giflol.gif

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GrandMaster Smith

 

Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Yes it's all tied in. To bring about their agenda they're using the smoke screens of terrorism and 'going green'

 

They use terrorism to scare people out of their rights. They use global warming to control you such as; "people emit Co2, the more people, the more Co2, therefore you as a family are only allowed x amount of children." If the government becomes capable of controlling the use of a natural occurring gas with cap and trade, then they'd be able to use that to control nearly every aspect of our lives. Watch some videos about Agenda 21 on youtube and you'll see thats it's alot more than just for global warming..

 

 

 

 

Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Global Warming causing 9/11?? Now that takes the pineapple cake lol.giflol.giflol.gif

 

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@Mike: I was responding to the following quote:

 

 

If these guys are just nuts.. then why would they pose any sort of threat?

 

I was trying to provide example of nuts and someone who is associated with American militias as examples of why things like that may be seen to pose a threat.

 

 

@GrandMaster Smith:

Alright... I know you'll blow over this on the road to further depravity... but the government probably equates Ron Paul with the anti-establishment boogeymen it sees. Ron Paul in fact supports decreasing the size of government, which would raise unemployment and make the government that much more unattractive. It's a f*cked up system. Not necessarily a sinister one.

 

The government is likely just as scared of you as you are of them. You're afraid they're going to kill you. They're afraid you're going to kill them. It's a feedback loop of fear, and a damn near self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

Party A starts yelling. Party B gets concerned and takes precautions to defend itself. Party A gets concerned and takes precautions to defend itself. etc.

 

The true boogeymen in all of this are few and far between and your near militant mistrust of the system blinds you to those who would be your allies were they only secure in the belief that you wouldn't put a bullet in their head in some emotional rage.

 

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Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Yes it's all tied in. To bring about their agenda they're using the smoke screens of terrorism and 'going green'

 

They use terrorism to scare people out of their rights. They use global warming to control you such as; "people emit Co2, the more people, the more Co2, therefore you as a family are only allowed x amount of children." If the government becomes capable of controlling the use of a natural occurring gas with cap and trade, then they'd be able to use that to control nearly every aspect of our lives. Watch some videos about Agenda 21 on youtube and you'll see thats it's alot more than just for global warming..

 

 

 

 

Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Global Warming causing 9/11?? Now that takes the pineapple cake lol.giflol.giflol.gif

 

facedesk.gif

Epic troll or just retarded?

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QwertyAAA

 

Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Yes it's all tied in. To bring about their agenda they're using the smoke screens of terrorism and 'going green'

 

They use terrorism to scare people out of their rights. They use global warming to control you such as; "people emit Co2, the more people, the more Co2, therefore you as a family are only allowed x amount of children." If the government becomes capable of controlling the use of a natural occurring gas with cap and trade, then they'd be able to use that to control nearly every aspect of our lives. Watch some videos about Agenda 21 on youtube and you'll see thats it's alot more than just for global warming..

 

Tell my why that's bad. Tell me why that's objectively bad. Why not let everybody get Malthused? Why is biopower bad?

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Shylock
Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Yes it's all tied in.

Alright man, that's cool. You don't need to justify anything to me. Mainly because I won't even consider your opinions relevant after that.

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Tyler

 

Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Yes it's all tied in.

Alright man, that's cool. You don't need to justify anything to me. Mainly because I won't even consider your opinions relevant after that.

Don't you see man? It's right there! It's RIGHT THERE. Youtube, Jesse Ventura, Terrorism, GLOBAL WARMING! It's all connected!

 

Al Gore, the man who caused the Global Warming (Oh, and for those younger kids out there he also theorised global cooling in the eighties) epidemic, is the same man who pushed the button and made his terrorist friends over in Kuwait fall back from Operation Desert Storm, accuse Clinton of debauchery, commend the stonewalling of civil rights leaders and lastly, hijack a aeroplane and crash it into the Towers. But not before sending another elite squad of troops into the twin towers, planting TONS of plastic explosives and leaving the detonator on the ninth support beam of the WTC7... which we all know what became of that.

 

Gore would later go on to fund terrorist projects of an internet secret called 4chan, and lead elitist attacks on the civil world called raids. Eventually, his plan will culminate as he is elected world leader, assassinates Prime Minister Winston Churchill's clone in a lightsaber battle, and drinks Jack Daniels no. 6 from the Holy Grail.

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GrandMaster Smith

Global warming is a hoax to make money off of. Is the earth warming up? Yes. Does the earth go through natural cycles that warm and cool by itself? Yes.

Back in the 70's all the rage was, get this- global cooling.. scientists had convinced the public that the earth was going to freeze over and the next ice age was around the bend. Now we're being told that the ice caps are going to melt and the seals are going to die off all because we drive hummers. A single volcano eruption alone emit more Co2 than humans could even imagine putting out. Us humans put the slightest dent into what Earths Co2 cycle naturally does.

Its all to make money, simple as that. We cannot change global warming.

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tubbs51

i still dont see the connection between Global Warming and the US government supposedly behind 9/11...

 

sounds like poppycock to me... just pure rubbish on both ends...

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Global warming is a hoax to make money off of. Is the earth warming up? Yes. Does the earth go through natural cycles that warm and cool by itself? Yes.

Back in the 70's all the rage was, get this- global cooling.. scientists had convinced the public that the earth was going to freeze over and the next ice age was around the bend. Now we're being told that the ice caps are going to melt and the seals are going to die off all because we drive hummers. A single volcano eruption alone emit more Co2 than humans could even imagine putting out. Us humans put the slightest dent into what Earths Co2 cycle naturally does.

Its all to make money, simple as that. We cannot change global warming.

(Emphasis is mine)

 

Is that a challenge?

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Just go and do some research about Agenda 21 and you may start getting an idea of the big picture..

Did you just attribute 9/11 to global warming?

Yes it's all tied in.

Alright man, that's cool. You don't need to justify anything to me. Mainly because I won't even consider your opinions relevant after that.

Don't you see man? It's right there! It's RIGHT THERE. Youtube, Jesse Ventura, Terrorism, GLOBAL WARMING! It's all connected!

9/11 ALSO MADE THEM GOD DAMN HOMOSEXUALS BE CREATED

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Tyler
Back in the 70's all the rage was, get this- global cooling..

No f*cking way.

 

How about you read satirical posts above your own before posting from now on?

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