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Fox News: Was 9/11 an inside job?

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GrandMaster Smith

 

 

That Jesse Ventura? The one that has mental deformities from his wrestling career and a very grim apathy from humanity after his friends died in Vietnam, leaving him with nothing but his powers as a governor, and his ideas? Just making sure this is the guy you're telling me to trust about something so small as the World Trade Centre attacks. After all, if we can't trust 'TruTV' who can we trust people?

 

Because out of total respect, I'm not going to directly attack your source. I'm simply saying don't claim Jesse Ventura as your only actual source of information, or you're going to find quite a bunch of bias against you (In your mind and out).

lol jesse ventura is not my main source, its just I watched the episode last night about America turning to a police state and it explains things pretty well so I thought 'non troofers' can get a grip for whats really going on behind the veil of terrorism. Its around a hour long so not much of your life is wasted, I posted the link to the playlist then posted each individual part of the episode earlier up so the least amount of effort is needed to watch. If thats not convincing enough I can show you a video of our political leaders performing luciferian worship at a placed called the Bohemian Grove. May sound crazy but its mindblowing when you research and actually see the proof.

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QwertyAAA

 

Smith, from a purely biopolitical standpoint, your rights are worthless.

Why do you consider all of those things bad?

Is this a serious question? I live in a small town of about 5000 people, if that and live quite a few good miles from any major cities. My concerns of a terrorist attack are very very slim. Even if I lived in a major city, I would rather choose to face the chance of danger of being in a terrorist attack anyday than letting the government strip me of every right I have and to be able to tell me how to live my own life. They want the population to live in constant fear to scare people into giving up their rights, its a very simple concept used time and time again and youre just a fool being sucked in to the game like the rest. I truly advise you all to watch that episode by Jesse Ventura and to look more into all of it. Today it is nearly impossible to name something in your house that the government hasn't been involved in in any way shape or form.. we the people are supposed be in control, not the elites who are bought out by bankers..

Don't be a patronizing f*ck and stop pimping Ventura. It is an entirely serious question.

 

You're relying on generalizations and societal subjectivity to say why you don't like biopower. Now say why it's bad, because you have given no conclusions. Well, my conclusion is that it's a 'very simple concept used time and time again' because it's effective, which makes it, at the very least beneficial to the state and its perpetuation. That same state that allows you to have your opinions - without its existence, you wouldn't be able to formulate your grievances, as you wouldn't necessarily have the freedom of thought you have right now. You're saying that biopower is bad because any rational person should automatically consider it bad, which is not a bloody reason.

 

Why should the people be in control? Why should you be in control, especially since you live in a town - and thus are not representative of the 81% of the United States' city population? Why is biopower bad?

 

Oh, and government is secular, so nothing concerning 'luciferian worship' matters in any way. The Bohemian Grove is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, anyway.

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So if I'm at a party and I go to the bathroom and I sh*t in my hand, and I throw my turd in the toilet, and theres no mess on my hand, does that really mean i sh*t in my hand?

 

 

...i think not.

Why does it have to be at a party? This is best done before a date. Wait, WHOOOOA! what was this topic about again?

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So if I'm at a party and I go to the bathroom and I sh*t in my hand, and I throw my turd in the toilet, and theres no mess on my hand, does that really mean i sh*t in my hand?

 

 

...i think not.

Why does it have to be at a party? This is best done before a date. Wait, WHOOOOA! what was this topic about again?

Hey, it's the resident Malkavian.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

Smith, from a purely biopolitical standpoint, your rights are worthless.

Why do you consider all of those things bad?

Is this a serious question? I live in a small town of about 5000 people, if that and live quite a few good miles from any major cities. My concerns of a terrorist attack are very very slim. Even if I lived in a major city, I would rather choose to face the chance of danger of being in a terrorist attack anyday than letting the government strip me of every right I have and to be able to tell me how to live my own life. They want the population to live in constant fear to scare people into giving up their rights, its a very simple concept used time and time again and youre just a fool being sucked in to the game like the rest. I truly advise you all to watch that episode by Jesse Ventura and to look more into all of it. Today it is nearly impossible to name something in your house that the government hasn't been involved in in any way shape or form.. we the people are supposed be in control, not the elites who are bought out by bankers..

Don't be a patronizing f*ck and stop pimping Ventura. It is an entirely serious question.

 

You're relying on generalizations and societal subjectivity to say why you don't like biopower. Now say why it's bad, because you have given no conclusions. Well, my conclusion is that it's a 'very simple concept used time and time again' because it's effective, which makes it, at the very least beneficial to the state and its perpetuation. That same state that allows you to have your opinions - without its existence, you wouldn't be able to formulate your grievances, as you wouldn't necessarily have the freedom of thought you have right now. You're saying that biopower is bad because any rational person should automatically consider it bad, which is not a bloody reason.

 

Why should the people be in control? Why should you be in control, especially since you live in a town - and thus are not representative of the 81% of the United States' city population? Why is biopower bad?

 

Oh, and government is secular, so nothing concerning 'luciferian worship' matters in any way. The Bohemian Grove is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, anyway.

Nice quote from Nixon?

And where to start why its bad... okay well right now we're head over heels in so much f*ckin debt that its going to tear our country apart, which might I add is all controlled and predetemined by The Bilderburg group. The world is constantly at war, always killing for peace (which makes total sense right?.. catspider.gif) We have thousands dying worldwide due to starvation yet just a few years ago the White house somehow managed to 'misplace' 2.3 Trillion Dollars of taxpayers money, with no receipt, no record of where it went.. there is so much corruption in the system its unbearable yet people like you are sitting there on their ass trying to support their agenda. We as a species are capable of so much more, yet we all let our made up money(printed out of thin air) take control over whats right and wrong. If you can't see what wrong with how things really work in goverment then you're an idiot. Grow some f*ckin balls, you don't have to let the government tell you how to live Your life just to feel safe, when in reality all they're actually doing is tearing up the constitution right before our very eyes. You seem to forget what this very country was built upon..

 

And yea, its just some faggy convention and nothing more, right..?

*watch all the way through*

 

 

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For all those saying that WTC 7 was hit by lots of falling debris, that is ridiculous. You just need to look at the pictures and videos before the collapse to see that the roof did not susstain much, if any damage at all. The collapse of this building was ommitted from the official report, and its no wonder. To say that this building fell the way it did solely from the damage to one side of the building and some internal fires is ridiculous.

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Mike Tequeli

The emphasis being on internal fires which absolutely f*cking will demolish a building. We've pretty much already covered the fire explanation, which involves the steel support beams being significantly weakened by having their temperature raised.

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tubbs51

i cant believe this still is in the General Discussion section....

 

the posibility of 9/11 being an inside job is wish wash bullsh*t...

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Smith, from a purely biopolitical standpoint, your rights are worthless.

Why do you consider all of those things bad?

Is this a serious question? I live in a small town of about 5000 people, if that and live quite a few good miles from any major cities. My concerns of a terrorist attack are very very slim. Even if I lived in a major city, I would rather choose to face the chance of danger of being in a terrorist attack anyday than letting the government strip me of every right I have and to be able to tell me how to live my own life. They want the population to live in constant fear to scare people into giving up their rights, its a very simple concept used time and time again and youre just a fool being sucked in to the game like the rest. I truly advise you all to watch that episode by Jesse Ventura and to look more into all of it. Today it is nearly impossible to name something in your house that the government hasn't been involved in in any way shape or form.. we the people are supposed be in control, not the elites who are bought out by bankers..

Don't be a patronizing f*ck and stop pimping Ventura. It is an entirely serious question.

 

You're relying on generalizations and societal subjectivity to say why you don't like biopower. Now say why it's bad, because you have given no conclusions. Well, my conclusion is that it's a 'very simple concept used time and time again' because it's effective, which makes it, at the very least beneficial to the state and its perpetuation. That same state that allows you to have your opinions - without its existence, you wouldn't be able to formulate your grievances, as you wouldn't necessarily have the freedom of thought you have right now. You're saying that biopower is bad because any rational person should automatically consider it bad, which is not a bloody reason.

 

Why should the people be in control? Why should you be in control, especially since you live in a town - and thus are not representative of the 81% of the United States' city population? Why is biopower bad?

 

Oh, and government is secular, so nothing concerning 'luciferian worship' matters in any way. The Bohemian Grove is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, anyway.

Nice quote from Nixon?

And where to start why its bad... okay well right now we're head over heels in so much f*ckin debt that its going to tear our country apart, which might I add is all controlled and predetemined by The Bilderburg group. The world is constantly at war, always killing for peace (which makes total sense right?.. catspider.gif) We have thousands dying worldwide due to starvation yet just a few years ago the White house somehow managed to 'misplace' 2.3 Trillion Dollars of taxpayers money, with no receipt, no record of where it went.. there is so much corruption in the system its unbearable yet people like you are sitting there on their ass trying to support their agenda. We as a species are capable of so much more, yet we all let our made up money(printed out of thin air) take control over whats right and wrong. If you can't see what wrong with how things really work in goverment then you're an idiot. Grow some f*ckin balls, you don't have to let the government tell you how to live Your life just to feel safe, when in reality all they're actually doing is tearing up the constitution right before our very eyes. You seem to forget what this very country was built upon..

 

And yea, its just some faggy convention and nothing more, right..?

*watch all the way through*

 

F2E_HP97Rzc

Every country is built upon controlling its people.

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unopescio
I dont know why the f*ck morons always pull out the "it looks just like a controlled demolition" card, how the f*ck else do you expect building collapses to look?

I don't know, maybe like this:

http://www.archidose.org/Blog/Old/2001986837.jpg

 

or this

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/image.../07/timber2.jpg

 

If only a portion of a building is damaged, then you would expect an asymmetrical collapse, if it collapses at all. (see pics above)

The only way to make a building fall straight down into its own footprint is if you destroy most of the internal support columns at one time (i.e. in a controlled demolition).

>ignoring the fact that the WTC buildings are 30 times the size of those.

Ok, so team of people snuck in the week before and lined the interior collums with explosives. Why then would the collapse start exactly from the foors the planes hit? And why wouldnt the f*cking enormous fireball set off the explosives the second they hit the buildings? If some people say they heard "explosions" how come none of the hundreds of cameras that were filming that day capture them? Youre full of sh*t, bscly. f*cking moron.

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Otter

Did you guys know that the Budd Dwyer suicide was faked?

 

Also, if you study geology, you'd know that the earthquake that supposedly caused the tsunami in 04 simply couldn't have been the cause. It's physically impossible - but the real cause has been kept a secret. The fact is, the only force known to have such a strong effect on the world's oceans is the moon. Slight variations in our moon's orbit for the past few years have been well known to the public, but is there something far more sinister at work? Could scientists be using the moon as a weapon?

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makeshyft

Speaking of Nixon, do any of you c*nts remember Watergate? Politicians couldn't even get away with sh*t back in the 70s, and you expect them to pull something like this off?

 

lol lol lol

 

If you think 9/11 was an inside job, you're a f*cking moron. Aside from the evidence which disproves most of your gay, little theories, there is the fact that it would have been impossible to cover up.

 

Again: lol lol lol

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K^2

Not that I disagree with you on the main point, makeshyft, but I'm pretty sure covering something up today would be a lot easier than it was in the 70's. In the 70's there were real investigative reporters, mass media covered real news stories, people were generally better educated and cared more about what's going on around them, and everyone wasn't bombarded with as much information as they are today.

 

Besides, we know that there has been a lot of covering up going on around 9/11. Anyone who has made any kind of mistake on security, response to attacks, or construction of locations hit, is going to be trying to hide that fact, and blame someone else. We see a lot of that going on. A lot of information that could have been released, has not been. How much of that is covering up for intentional shortcuts? How much is covering up for negligence? It's really difficult to tell in the whole mess. And if someone did know about attacks and did nothing, you're not going to be able to uncover that now. Would that really be that far off from inside job?

 

Sure, if there were people actually placing explosives in the towers, something'd almost certainly surface somewhere by now. But if someone somewhere simply delayed the response of interceptors to let it happen, any "facts" about that would be drowned out by general "conspiracy theory" noise.

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Mr.Mister

Man reading this thread is hurting my intelligence, you guys should just give it up. To be fair, the gov't does some pretty secretive and f*cked up stuff and its our right to investigate. I don't know if it was staged or not but it's best to move on and try to look at something else. The theory has been beat to death and it's getting us nowhere confused.gif

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Not that I disagree with you on the main point, makeshyft, but I'm pretty sure covering something up today would be a lot easier than it was in the 70's. In the 70's there were real investigative reporters, mass media covered real news stories, people were generally better educated and cared more about what's going on around them, and everyone wasn't bombarded with as much information as they are today.

Who are you, Bill Hicks? A rather pessimistic if not nihilistic view of the world there, man. tounge.gif Generally better educated? Real investigative reporters? People cared more about what was going on around them? Oddly sentimental, especially coming from you.

 

I have to ask though - does this mean you're going back on your assertions that the 'official story' is not physically possible; that there was no plane at the Pentagon? I was really hoping you and leftcoast would complete that physical simulation sometime. tounge.gif

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unopescio

 

Speaking of Nixon, do any of you c*nts remember Watergate? Politicians couldn't even get away with sh*t back in the 70s, and you expect them to pull something like this off?

 

lol lol lol

 

If you think 9/11 was an inside job, you're a f*cking moron. Aside from the evidence which disproves most of your gay, little theories, there is the fact that it would have been impossible to cover up.

 

Again: lol lol lol

This. The US government has enough trouble keeping the happenings of its top secret isolated prisons out of the headlines, there no way in hell they could co-ordinate an attack like this which would take hundreds of people in the know to pull off. its just not possible. The people who buy into this loose change bullsh*t are the same tards who think the moon landing was filmed on a set in nevada.

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Not that I disagree with you on the main point, makeshyft, but I'm pretty sure covering something up today would be a lot easier than it was in the 70's. In the 70's there were real investigative reporters, mass media covered real news stories, people were generally better educated and cared more about what's going on around them, and everyone wasn't bombarded with as much information as they are today.

Sorry bro. I like you, respect you, even, but as someone with a degree in journalism, I'm going to disagree.

 

Information travels so quickly in our age. Also, almost every human being carries a camera in their pockets nowadays. The Watergate scandal broke over many months, but if it happened today the whole thing would be uncovered in less than a week.

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GrandMaster Smith

Time to put this debate to rest. IF A FORMER FBI AGENT ADMITTING TO 9/11 BEING AN INSIDE JOB ISN'T ENOUGH, YOURE A COMPLETE AND UTTER IGNORANT FOOL

 

 

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Time to put this debate to rest. IF A FORMER FBI AGENT ADMITTING TO 9/11 BEING AN INSIDE JOB ISN'T ENOUGH, YOURE A COMPLETE AND UTTER IGNORANT FOOL

lol

 

Enjoy always living on the fringe of society and relying on foodstamps, you f*cking ingrate.

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He suggested it might be an inside job, hence the title of the video being 'Former FBI chief SUGGESTS "Inside Job."' How could the opinion of someone who retired from his position in 1979 come under consideration as an even remotely valid source?

 

Are you really this big an idiot or do you just play one on the interwebs?

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IF A FORMER FBI AGENT ADMITTING TO 9/11 BEING AN INSIDE JOB ISN'T ENOUGH, YOURE A COMPLETE AND UTTER IGNORANT FOOL

What's the bet this dude was really good at pushing paper?

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Speaking of Nixon, do any of you c*nts remember Watergate? Politicians couldn't even get away with sh*t back in the 70s, and you expect them to pull something like this off?

 

lol lol lol

 

If you think 9/11 was an inside job, you're a f*cking moron. Aside from the evidence which disproves most of your gay, little theories, there is the fact that it would have been impossible to cover up.

 

Again: lol lol lol

This. The US government has enough trouble keeping the happenings of its top secret isolated prisons out of the headlines, there no way in hell they could co-ordinate an attack like this which would take hundreds of people in the know to pull off. its just not possible. The people who buy into this loose change bullsh*t are the same tards who think the moon landing was filmed on a set in nevada.

i agree... the Gov't has issues keeping its lips sealed on everything... i doubt the brains in DC orchestrated an event like that... just not feasibly posible with how stupid politicians have gotten...

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It's very obvious that 9/11 was an inside job, the government had 'practice runs' if you will of 'incase planes flew into the WTC' only days before 9/11. 'They' tried to bring down the twin towers around 10 years ago when Bush sr. held office while he was announcing the
but failed to fully bring down the towers(since a fire cannot bring down a steel building) so they had to make sure they came down this time with thermite to further their agenda.

 

If anyone finds it hard to believe we're headed straight towards a WWII nazi style police state then I strongly urge you to watch jesse venturas new episode, very interesting watch, especially the interview at the end..

Police state, USA episode

new world or-....oh my.

 

I thought people like Dale Gribble were just exaggerations. Jesus Christ, do you also work as an exterminator?

 

Towards a Nazi styled WWII era? You do realize that during times of war states traditionally crack down on anything that might make the operation lag behind, right? It's happened during WW1 and 2. It's nothing new. Only difference is the technology is more sophisticated.

 

It would honestly be too easy to make fun of someone like you, so I won't.

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It's very obvious that 9/11 was an inside job, the government had 'practice runs' if you will of 'incase planes flew into the WTC' only days before 9/11. 'They' tried to bring down the twin towers around 10 years ago when Bush sr. held office while he was announcing the
but failed to fully bring down the towers(since a fire cannot bring down a steel building) so they had to make sure they came down this time with thermite to further their agenda.

 

If anyone finds it hard to believe we're headed straight towards a WWII nazi style police state then I strongly urge you to watch jesse venturas new episode, very interesting watch, especially the interview at the end..

Police state, USA episode

new world or-....oh my.

 

I thought people like Dale Gribble were just exaggerations. Jesus Christ, do you also work as an exterminator?

 

Towards a Nazi styled WWII era? You do realize that during times of war states traditionally crack down on anything that might make the operation lag behind, right? It's happened during WW1 and 2. It's nothing new. Only difference is the technology is more sophisticated.

 

It would honestly be too easy to make fun of someone like you, so I won't.

i agree... this whole topic is insane...

 

and your sig freaks the f*ck out of me...

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It's very obvious that 9/11 was an inside job, the government had 'practice runs' if you will of 'incase planes flew into the WTC' only days before 9/11. 'They' tried to bring down the twin towers around 10 years ago when Bush sr. held office while he was announcing the
but failed to fully bring down the towers(since a fire cannot bring down a steel building) so they had to make sure they came down this time with thermite to further their agenda.

 

If anyone finds it hard to believe we're headed straight towards a WWII nazi style police state then I strongly urge you to watch jesse venturas new episode, very interesting watch, especially the interview at the end..

Police state, USA episode

new world or-....oh my.

 

I thought people like Dale Gribble were just exaggerations. Jesus Christ, do you also work as an exterminator?

 

Towards a Nazi styled WWII era? You do realize that during times of war states traditionally crack down on anything that might make the operation lag behind, right? It's happened during WW1 and 2. It's nothing new. Only difference is the technology is more sophisticated.

 

It would honestly be too easy to make fun of someone like you, so I won't.

Don't be an asshole.

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Christ the blind, moronic and self-indulgent crap posted by some forumers here is scarcely believable.

 

9/11 wasn't an inside job, any more than 7/7 or the Madrid train bombings were. Or the Oklahoma City Bombing. Or the Mumbai attacks. Or Bali. Or the first WTC bombing in 1993. Or the 1998 embassy bombings. Or the USS Cole bombing. Or the Russian Apartment Bombings. Or the Belsen siege. Or the Moscow Theatre Siege. Or the Atlanta Olympic Bombings. Or the assassination of Bashir Gemayal. Or the bombing of the US military bases in Lebanon. Or the Fort Hood massacre. Or the New York Snipers. Or (continue ad infinitum).

 

Quite apart from the fact that the vast majority of the above posted incidents are perpetrated by organisations that are joined at the hip (and Ockham's Razor dictates that the simplest explanation is the most feasible- are you trying to tell me that all the al-Qaeda attacks perpetrated before, during and since 9/11 were also part of some gigantic conspiracy? Because if you are I'm going to laugh in your tin-foil-hat-wearing face), what would the US have to gain from 9/11?

 

The US, and most other large states for that matter, have military strategic policy and international relations based on various Realist theories. No country needs a justification to start a war if it is in the interest of their advancement or enlarges their stake in the balance of power. That's how IR works, it's entirely selfish. Could the US justify wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without 9/11? Just as well as it could with it. The same goes for the sporadic drone attacks in Pakistan, the occasional cruise missile strikes elsewhere in Africa and the Middle East. A nation like the US doesn't need to drum up popular support for unilateral action. Moreover, the absurd and frankly idiotic conspiracy theories fronted by various anarchist or suspicionist crack-pots have done more to damage the legitimate authority of the US government and its bureaucracy than the attacks themselves brought about support for it. Either 9/11 was the most catastrophically absurd own-goal in peacetime history and part of a wider conspiracy involving almost every government on earth carrying out terrorist attacks against their own population, or a brazened and tactically brilliant attack by Islamofacist terrorists that the bored, TV-and-Junk-Food addled mind of you average American commentator has turned into some kind of government plot.

 

Grow the f*ck up.

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Christ the blind, moronic and self-indulgent crap posted by some forumers here is scarcely believable.

 

9/11 wasn't an inside job, any more than 7/7 or the Madrid train bombings were. Or the Oklahoma City Bombing. Or the Mumbai attacks. Or Bali. Or the first WTC bombing in 1993. Or the 1998 embassy bombings. Or the USS Cole bombing. Or the Russian Apartment Bombings. Or the Belsen siege. Or the Moscow Theatre Siege. Or the Atlanta Olympic Bombings. Or the assassination of Bashir Gemayal. Or the bombing of the US military bases in Lebanon. Or the Fort Hood massacre. Or the New York Snipers. Or (continue ad infinitum).

 

Quite apart from the fact that the vast majority of the above posted incidents are perpetrated by organisations that are joined at the hip (and Ockham's Razor dictates that the simplest explanation is the most feasible- are you trying to tell me that all the al-Qaeda attacks perpetrated before, during and since 9/11 were also part of some gigantic conspiracy? Because if you are I'm going to laugh in your tin-foil-hat-wearing face), what would the US have to gain from 9/11?

 

The US, and most other large states for that matter, have military strategic policy and international relations based on various Realist theories. No country needs a justification to start a war if it is in the interest of their advancement or enlarges their stake in the balance of power. That's how IR works, it's entirely selfish. Could the US justify wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without 9/11? Just as well as it could with it. The same goes for the sporadic drone attacks in Pakistan, the occasional cruise missile strikes elsewhere in Africa and the Middle East. A nation like the US doesn't need to drum up popular support for unilateral action. Moreover, the absurd and frankly idiotic conspiracy theories fronted by various anarchist or suspicionist crack-pots have done more to damage the legitimate authority of the US government and its bureaucracy than the attacks themselves brought about support for it. Either 9/11 was the most catastrophically absurd own-goal in peacetime history and part of a wider conspiracy involving almost every government on earth carrying out terrorist attacks against their own population, or a brazened and tactically brilliant attack by Islamofacist terrorists that the bored, TV-and-Junk-Food addled mind of you average American commentator has turned into some kind of government plot.

 

Grow the f*ck up.

shut up.

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Christ the blind, moronic and self-indulgent crap posted by some forumers here is scarcely believable.

 

9/11 wasn't an inside job, any more than 7/7 or the Madrid train bombings were. Or the Oklahoma City Bombing. Or the Mumbai attacks. Or Bali. Or the first WTC bombing in 1993. Or the 1998 embassy bombings. Or the USS Cole bombing. Or the Russian Apartment Bombings. Or the Belsen siege. Or the Moscow Theatre Siege. Or the Atlanta Olympic Bombings. Or the assassination of Bashir Gemayal. Or the bombing of the US military bases in Lebanon. Or the Fort Hood massacre. Or the New York Snipers. Or (continue ad infinitum).

 

Quite apart from the fact that the vast majority of the above posted incidents are perpetrated by organisations that are joined at the hip (and Ockham's Razor dictates that the simplest explanation is the most feasible- are you trying to tell me that all the al-Qaeda attacks perpetrated before, during and since 9/11 were also part of some gigantic conspiracy? Because if you are I'm going to laugh in your tin-foil-hat-wearing face), what would the US have to gain from 9/11?

 

The US, and most other large states for that matter, have military strategic policy and international relations based on various Realist theories. No country needs a justification to start a war if it is in the interest of their advancement or enlarges their stake in the balance of power. That's how IR works, it's entirely selfish. Could the US justify wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without 9/11? Just as well as it could with it. The same goes for the sporadic drone attacks in Pakistan, the occasional cruise missile strikes elsewhere in Africa and the Middle East. A nation like the US doesn't need to drum up popular support for unilateral action. Moreover, the absurd and frankly idiotic conspiracy theories fronted by various anarchist or suspicionist crack-pots have done more to damage the legitimate authority of the US government and its bureaucracy than the attacks themselves brought about support for it. Either 9/11 was the most catastrophically absurd own-goal in peacetime history and part of a wider conspiracy involving almost every government on earth carrying out terrorist attacks against their own population, or a brazened and tactically brilliant attack by Islamofacist terrorists that the bored, TV-and-Junk-Food addled mind of you average American commentator has turned into some kind of government plot.

 

Grow the f*ck up.

shut up.

Why should I? If people are going to come on here spouting ignorant, selective bullcrap and try and convince others that it's the truth they deserve to laughed at. Every single element of the controlled demolition and inside job theories is easily discountable the moment you do more than watch a few heavily biased sensationalist and antiestablishment documentaries. If you want to know about 9/11 read the proper, independent structural engineering reports, the risk assessments done by people like MMC and Bowring Marsh, and the reports given by those who witnessed it. You'll find that aside from a few minor anomalies (as you'd expect with any investigation that relies so heavily on human witnesses that are affected by human emotions) the picture that every single independent source that isn't stark-raving mad paints is nigh on exactly the same.

 

Oh, and if 9/11 was an inside job, answer me this. Dozens of foreign nationals were killed in the 9/11 attacks. Did those governments give permission to the US to assassinate their citizens and become part of this giant, illogical and downright stupid conspiracy, or have they somehow all simultaneously suffered a complete failure in their foreign intelligence gathering services at the precise moment of 9/11 and its immediate aftermath?

 

 

Having worked in the defense and security sector for a number of years now I can tell you, hand on heart with 100% truthful conviction that neither of the above are possible, let alone more likely than the commonly accepted theory. And if you think otherwise, you're quite clearly a massive idiot.

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DDS is the f*ckin' man.

 

I like that guy a lot.

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DDS is the f*ckin' man.

I may have to quote that at some point. Hope you don't mind.

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