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Wolfenhoffen

Fox News: Was 9/11 an inside job?

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OysterBarron

Well i saw a very detailed program about it and demolition im pretty sure it was! I just found this quote from a technical breakdown of how the WTC was designed. due to its pillarless floor design to maximize space the load of the building was directed down the central supports and to the external metal work that ran up the side of the building the floor only acting to link and strengthen the hole building

 

 

Note that the buildings are stiffened by the composite steel-concrete floors. The floors are an integral part of the structural system. Without the composite floor slabs, the buildings would soon collapse.

 

As the firefighters reported there was damage to over 3 floors counting them its more like 3/5 floors in this picture

user posted image

 

looking at that pic and this last pic tends to suggest that the floors gave way sliding down within the external metal work witch would make 100% sense!

 

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Korpi

Are you people dumb enough to believe these "conspiracy theories" anyways? rolleyes.gif

 

 

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makeshyft
WTC 7, and the 2 towers were both destroyed with a controlled demolition. Each building drops at freefall speed, you can even see explosions as the towers came down. There are witnesses that state they heard explosions from underneath the buildings before it came down.

Do you understand what an explosion is? It's just a certain amount of pressure which builds up and becomes violent due to enclosure. The reason people heard and saw 'explosions' is because there was a hell of a lot of air in that building, and when the floors started to pancake the air shot out of the weakest points in the building (windows).

 

An explosion can involve nothing but air and a sealed environment. You seem to believe that it requires something more sinister.

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Pico

@oyster, the building was made with four central vertical beams, each floor having horizontal beams protruding outward around the central beams to make each floor. So the base structure is steel, not cement. I don't think you'll find any high rise nearly close in height with concrete being the primary support structure.

 

I've actually talked with an engineer who did over-seeing and planning of the towers construction. I forgot the name of the fire-proofing they used but he did verify that it was an older one that they felt would be fine if a normal fire had started in the building, but seeing what happened he wasn't surprised it was knocked loose from the huge impact. He also knew the exact kind of steel used and verified that at those temperatures for that amount of time it is impossible for the strength of the steel to stay sufficient enough to hold up the upper floors.

 

Now, I'm not one for conspiracy theories in most cases, and this is definitely one where I call bull sh*t. So that does make me a bit biased, and I understand a good argument for the above claim could be "that guy was just covering for people" or something crazy like that. I can't disprove that. All I can do is go with my gut feeling and see the evidence as I see it. If you want to believe all this crap, go for it. Most people claim it was initiated by Bush, well he's gone. So the most that could happen is he'll be put to death. It won't affect our current military actions as we've got other causes for them, even if they stemmed from this situation.

Find out what happened won't console anyone or make it better in anyway. Not saying it's not worth exposing, but my time sure as sh*t isn't worth rifling through tons and tons of video footage, pictures, etc.

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Otter

Oh Christ. Not this again.

 

Listen. Thousands of accredited men, far more in-the-know than I, and most without great incentive to lie, will tell you that the basics of "the official story" are not only plausible but the only possible explanation.

 

Find a champion who's not a whackjob, or strongly inclined to exploit his position to further his own agenda, and maybe it'd be worth listening to. Until then, this is just a boring f*cking conversation.

 

Take the discussion to the D&D area, where you can also read what's been posted about it over the past decade.

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Pico

One thing I'd like to add, that just came to my mind:

It is said that Bush was the primary benefactor to this and is most likely the one to orchestrate it. It takes weeks or even months to rig a building for implosion, and I'm talking about a 10 story building here, not a 110 story building. Now, a normal rigging does including stripping it down, but a large portion of that time is spent planting explosives, wiring them to go off at the right times, making precise cuts into the support structure, etc. There is no possible way he could have put together a team AND had this planned in the 8 months he had before it happened. It would take a while before he could build a secret team to have this all planned, THEN you need to actually put everything together; such as the rigging of the building, which planes are going to crash where, having the timing of these events set up strategically.

 

I do admit that they could have planned for the structure to be weakened by the fires in their implosion set up to assist, but even still I find it very hard to believe it could be set up so quickly. However, it's only obvious that the less people that had knowledge of the planning the better, so that means a minimal amount of people on the team to put it into effect. I'd be surprised if they'd be able to control even 100 people. Even with a team of 1,000 it'd be a huge undertaking to perform such destruction behind everyone's back and make it look like what it was.

 

I'd be willing to accept 2 crazy, random kids jacked the cockpit and crashed into the towers before the conspiracy crap

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makeshyft

derpe derp durp boop e doop yababa bum dum be dum bum CARNGARDDEYOUSUF

 

doo doo bum sh*t.

 

Stop this horsesh*t. Troofers are either: insane; insane; dumb; insane; dumb.

 

ed: or drunk.

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dog_day_sunrise

 

Feel free to name some other modern steel-framed skyscrapers that have collapsed due to fire.

The investigators stated it collapsed because of the fire.

It doesn't matter what the 'investigators' said. You can't expect a structure that has been bombarded with a sh*t-ton of falling debris to maintain its structual integrity. It's common sense. Did you ever play Jenga?

 

Anyway, if you think in those terms, there were several other buildings around the WTC complex that suffered exactly the same fate as WTC7. WTC 1-7 were all f*cked beyond repair, and other buildings outside the complex were destroyed as well. From falling debris.

QFT. Additionally, the transferrence of virbration force from the collapse of WTC1 and 2 severely weakend the foundations of 7 and the additional weight of debris applying unequal pressure to already damaged floor and ceiling joists caused the collapse. It's an extremely common occurance for the foundations of neighbouring buildings to be so weakened by a structural collase that they either have to be demolished or collapse of their own accord.

 

Oyster- that's horsesh*t, as others have said. The controlled demolition theory completely ignores the fact that you can't perform a controlled pancake demolition. The collapse of WTC1 and 2 was top-down. Demolition is done bottom-up.

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Blizzard14

It can go both ways.

IF it really was planned, they did a good job on trying to cover it up, although there are still some, eh "traces" people seem to be picking up, thinking it was an inside job.

IF it really was a terrorist attack, how can you be so sure? Because, really, there hasn't been any other destruction of a building to match the size of the Twin Towers. People really don't know the difference of the destruction with TNT, with that of a f*cking plane crash.

 

Personaly, I don't give a flying f*ck. It already happen, there is no changing it. I think this conspiracy sh*t should stop. People who say the conspiracy is bullsh*t, let them be. Who knows what they might come up with? (Contradiction much) What would they get out of it? IF (see, there's that word again) they uncover the truth with clear, solid proof, what would they do? Report it to the 'higher ones'? They would turn you down faster than you can say horsecock.

 

Plus, the Men In Black would have a little talk to you. ph34r.gif

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OysterBarron

I wasnt supporting the controlled demolition argument? i can see in the vids that destruction started from the impact zone upwards! And if im thinking correctly if it was a controlled one the they would have had to take out the metal beams on the bottom of the building of witch in the picture i posted you can still see the supports are still intact and standing if not a bit beaten up!

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Kevin...

lol...gotta love the conspiracy theorists. You guys get me every time.

 

 

 

 

 

Ya'lls need to get you're facts straight. Santa and the Easter Bunny had a meeting on top of building WTC7 and the Tooth Fairy and Jesus Christ knew they were steppin on their territory. TF and JC had to silence those negros so they dropped a bomb on their ass. JC is all, "OH sh*t! my prints be EVERYWHERE!!!" so they knocked down the twin towers to draw attention away from WTC7 and, while no one was lookin, Tooth Fairy started lobbing sticks of TNT into the windows of WTC7. Next thing we knew, WTC7 hit the floor. And Thats Science.

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GrandMaster Smith

It's very obvious that 9/11 was an inside job, the government had 'practice runs' if you will of 'incase planes flew into the WTC' only days before 9/11. 'They' tried to bring down the twin towers around 10 years ago when Bush sr. held office while he was announcing the

but failed to fully bring down the towers(since a fire cannot bring down a steel building) so they had to make sure they came down this time with thermite to further their agenda.

 

If anyone finds it hard to believe we're headed straight towards a WWII nazi style police state then I strongly urge you to watch jesse venturas new episode, very interesting watch, especially the interview at the end..

Police state, USA episode

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Moonshield

 

The controlled demolition theory completely ignores the fact that you can't perform a controlled pancake demolition. The collapse of WTC1 and 2 was top-down. Demolition is done bottom-up.

Seriously. Why can't people comprehend this sh*t? DDS and Pico are 100% right about what they're saying. My first project in my Structures II class my second year was dissecting why WTC fell.

 

So you troofers with some bullsh*t that you picked up from a website and regurgitated to look like you know something about anything, kindly shut the f*ck up. You don't know what you're talking about. The most ironic part is these people say "DO YOUR RESEARCH! DON'T JUST ACCEPT WHAT YOU READ" and then they're for some reason experts on 9/11 because they thumbed through two different websites confirming that it's an inside job.

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Wolfenhoffen
I dont know why the f*ck morons always pull out the "it looks just like a controlled demolition" card, how the f*ck else do you expect building collapses to look?

I don't know, maybe like this:

http://www.archidose.org/Blog/Old/2001986837.jpg

 

or this

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/image.../07/timber2.jpg

 

If only a portion of a building is damaged, then you would expect an asymmetrical collapse, if it collapses at all. (see pics above)

The only way to make a building fall straight down into its own footprint is if you destroy most of the internal support columns at one time (i.e. in a controlled demolition).

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Wolfenhoffen
It's called physics. Fox News deems that to be witchcraft, of course.

9/11, the day buildings defied the laws of physics!

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Wolfenhoffen
I was under the impression that both WTC fell due to cement getting super heated, cement is bound together with lots of little air particles when they get heated they try to expanded, once this gets to a point it explodes! apparently it was the planes crashing and stripping the protective layer off the central pillars that caused the cement to be exsposed to the super hot plane fuel causing the pillars to give way hence causing a total collapse.

 

There is a problem with this theory.

1. Most of the plane fuel was burned up during the initial impact and explosion.

You can clearly see this in the video footage when the 2nd plane crashes into the south tower.

The giant fire ball that erupted burned away almost all of the fuel. What fires were left were mostly office fires fueled by office materials.

 

2. The internal support beams inside the WTC towers were made of steel, not cement.

 

Even if your theory was correct it still doesn't explain why the towers collapsed perfectly straight down with no resistance from the floors below which were not damaged by fire or impact.

 

 

 

 

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Wolfenhoffen

Physics Professor Dr. Steven Jones on the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

 

"Dr. Steven Jones (a physics professor at BYU at the time of this recording) explains why the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (aka the Solomon Brothers Building, or WTC 7) is likely the result of controlled demolition using carefully pre-planted explosives."

 

 

 

This physics professor seems to have a differing opinion from the official version.

 

 

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Kevin...
I was under the impression that both WTC fell due to cement getting super heated, cement is bound together with lots of little air particles when they get heated they try to expanded, once this gets to a point it explodes! apparently it was the planes crashing and stripping the protective layer off the central pillars that caused the cement to be exsposed to the super hot plane fuel causing the pillars to give way hence causing a total collapse.

 

There is a problem with this theory.

1. Most of the plane fuel was burned up during the initial impact and explosion.

You can clearly see this in the video footage when the 2nd plane crashes into the south tower.

The giant fire ball that erupted burned away almost all of the fuel. What fires were left were mostly office fires fueled by office materials.

 

2. The internal support beams inside the WTC towers were made of steel, not cement.

 

Even if your theory was correct it still doesn't explain why the towers collapsed perfectly straight down with no resistance from the floors below which were not damaged by fire or impact.

You are a f*cking moron and quit tripple posting. BTW...your theory has a ton of holes in it.

 

 

 

And here is a great explanation on why sh*t happened the way it did.

 

In the years since September 11, 2001 terrorist attack in New York City, engineers and other experts have been studying the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. By examining the collapse step-by-step, experts are learning how buildings fail, and discovering ways we can build stronger structures.

 

What Caused the Twin Towers to Fall?

1. Impact from the Terrorist Planes

When Boeing jets piloted by terrorists struck the Twin Towers, some 10,000 gallons (38 kiloliters) of jet fuel fed an enormous fireball. But, the impact of the planes and the burst of flames did not make the Towers collapse right away. Like most buildings, the Twin Towers had redundant design. The term redundant design means that when one system fails, another carries the load. Each of the Twin Towers had 244 columns around a central core that housed the elevators, stairwells, mechanical systems, and utilities. When some columns were damaged, others could still support the building.

 

2. Heat from the Fires

The sprinkler system was damaged by the impact of the planes. But even if the sprinklers had been working, they could not have maintained enough pressure to stop the fire. Fed by the remaining jet fuel, the heat became intense.

 

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. This is not hot enough to melt structural steel. However, engineers say that for the World Trade Center towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel will also become distorted when heat is not a uniform temperature.

 

3. Collapsing Floors

Most fires start in one area and then spread. The fire from the terrorist planes covered the area of an entire floor almost instantly. As the weakened floors began to collapse, they pancaked. This means that floors crashed down on floors with increasing weight and momentum, crushing each successive floor below. With the weight of the plunging floors building force, the exterior walls buckled.

 

Why did the collapsed towers look so flat?

Before the terrorist attack, the twin towers were 110 stories tall. Constructed of lightweight steel around a central core, the World Trade Center towers were about 95% air. After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high.

 

Source

 

 

You are more than welcome to refute everything I just posted and proceed being a moron again. I won't stop you but I figured your posts spewing of mental retardation could not hog the page all to itself. Have fun reading the logical and scientifically explained.

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There's an Edit button for a reason.

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GrandMaster Smith

You guys are looking past the real issue.. it doesnt even matter how the buildings fell.. even firefighters talked about bombs going off in the buildings. The US government had practice runs on incase a terrorist attack hit the WTC days before it happened.. They used the attack as an excuse to invade the middle east then lied about Sadam having WMD's, then used to wtc attack to propose the Patriot Act basically stripping us of our rights and now we have fusion centers that gather information on every citizen and puts them as a target if they support Ron Paul or any end time prophecies.. We have fema camps all over the US waiting to take people in, Obama has passed bills allowing him to detain american citizens without warrants indefinitely, has the power to assassinate US citizens.. like ffs look at the real picture! We are seriously reliving WWII nazi times and people are so f*ckin ignorant its embarrassing. We even have body scanners in airports that pull up a fully naked and exposed picture of our body on a screen basically dehumanizing us, but its all okay in the sake of our protection from scary terrorists in a f*ckin cave half way across the f*ckin world. Like the only reason they wanted to attack in the first place was cause we were invading THEIR country in the first place! Imagine that, some country coming into ours telling us how todo things how to run everything, who woulda thought someone would get pist about that and want to bomb the ones invading us. Face it, America is a lying, cheating slimeball country that cares all and only about money and not about the population one bit.

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You guys are looking past the real issue.. it doesnt even matter how the buildings fell.. even firefighters talked about bombs going off in the buildings. The US government had practice runs on incase a terrorist attack hit the WTC days before it happened.. They used the attack as an excuse to invade the middle east then lied about Sadam having WMD's, then used to wtc attack to propose the Patriot Act basically stripping us of our rights and now we have fusion centers that gather information on every citizen and puts them as a target if they support Ron Paul or any end time prophecies.. We have fema camps all over the US waiting to take people in, Obama has passed bills allowing him to detain american citizens without warrants indefinitely, has the power to assassinate US citizens.. like ffs look at the real picture! We are seriously reliving WWII nazi times and people are so f*ckin ignorant its embarrassing. We even have body scanners in airports that pull up a fully naked and exposed picture of our body on a screen basically dehumanizing us, but its all okay in the sake of our protection from scary terrorists in a f*ckin cave half way across the f*ckin world. Like the only reason they wanted to attack in the first place was cause we were invading THEIR country in the first place! Imagine that, some country coming into ours telling us how todo things how to run everything, who woulda thought someone would get pist about that and want to bomb the ones invading us. Face it, America is a lying, cheating slimeball country that cares all and only about money and not about the population one bit.

You sir are a f*cking idiot.

 

And that is all.

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You guys are looking past the real issue.. it doesnt even matter how the buildings fell.. even firefighters talked about bombs going off in the buildings. The US government had practice runs on incase a terrorist attack hit the WTC days before it happened.. They used the attack as an excuse to invade the middle east then lied about Sadam having WMD's, then used to wtc attack to propose the Patriot Act basically stripping us of our rights and now we have fusion centers that gather information on every citizen and puts them as a target if they support Ron Paul or any end time prophecies.. We have fema camps all over the US waiting to take people in, Obama has passed bills allowing him to detain american citizens without warrants indefinitely, has the power to assassinate US citizens.. like ffs look at the real picture! We are seriously reliving WWII nazi times and people are so f*ckin ignorant its embarrassing. We even have body scanners in airports that pull up a fully naked and exposed picture of our body on a screen basically dehumanizing us, but its all okay in the sake of our protection from scary terrorists in a f*ckin cave half way across the f*ckin world. Like the only reason they wanted to attack in the first place was cause we were invading THEIR country in the first place! Imagine that, some country coming into ours telling us how todo things how to run everything, who woulda thought someone would get pist about that and want to bomb the ones invading us. Face it, America is a lying, cheating slimeball country that cares all and only about money and not about the population one bit.

You sir are a f*cking idiot.

 

And that is all.

How is he a f*cking idiot? Maybe you should back that up sir. Also calling theorists dumbasses is pretty damn childish.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

You guys are looking past the real issue.. it doesnt even matter how the buildings fell.. even firefighters talked about bombs going off in the buildings. The US government had practice runs on incase a terrorist attack hit the WTC days before it happened.. They used the attack as an excuse to invade the middle east then lied about Sadam having WMD's, then used to wtc attack to propose the Patriot Act basically stripping us of our rights and now we have fusion centers that gather information on every citizen and puts them as a target if they support Ron Paul or any end time prophecies.. We have fema camps all over the US waiting to take people in, Obama has passed bills allowing him to detain american citizens without warrants indefinitely, has the power to assassinate US citizens.. like ffs look at the real picture! We are seriously reliving WWII nazi times and people are so f*ckin ignorant its embarrassing. We even have body scanners in airports that pull up a fully naked and exposed picture of our body on a screen basically dehumanizing us, but its all okay in the sake of our protection from scary terrorists in a f*ckin cave half way across the f*ckin world. Like the only reason they wanted to attack in the first place was cause we were invading THEIR country in the first place! Imagine that, some country coming into ours telling us how todo things how to run everything, who woulda thought someone would get pist about that and want to bomb the ones invading us. Face it, America is a lying, cheating slimeball country that cares all and only about money and not about the population one bit.

You sir are a f*cking idiot.

 

And that is all.

I'm an idiot because I do research and can back up what I say while you sit there, probably reading half of what I wrote and immediately call me an idiot because you don't like what I have to say? .. lol okay

 

seriously.. just watch this and see who the idiot is..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Darrel

I hate conspiracys and how some people think everything is one. Tupac is still alive, Michael Jackson faked his death, Elvis is alive... sh*t gets annoying. Although, there were some weird happenings on that day of September 11 2001.. That still haven't been given any logical explanation.

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QwertyAAA

Smith, from a purely biopolitical standpoint, your rights are worthless.

Why do you consider all of those things bad?

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Robinski

So these government conspiracy types are somehow capable of convincingly demolishing a group of buildings in the middle of one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Yet, somehow, they can't plant some WMDs in a hole in the ground in some desert to justify a (unrelated) war which would pretty much fall under the same agenda?

 

Bull. Sh*t.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

Smith, from a purely biopolitical standpoint, your rights are worthless.

Why do you consider all of those things bad?

Is this a serious question? I live in a small town of about 5000 people, if that and live quite a few good miles from any major cities. My concerns of a terrorist attack are very very slim. Even if I lived in a major city, I would rather choose to face the chance of danger of being in a terrorist attack anyday than letting the government strip me of every right I have and to be able to tell me how to live my own life. They want the population to live in constant fear to scare people into giving up their rights, its a very simple concept used time and time again and youre just a fool being sucked in to the game like the rest. I truly advise you all to watch that episode by Jesse Ventura and to look more into all of it. Today it is nearly impossible to name something in your house that the government hasn't been involved in in any way shape or form.. we the people are supposed be in control, not the elites who are bought out by bankers..

 

 

 

 

So these government conspiracy types are somehow capable of convincingly demolishing a group of buildings in the middle of one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Yet, somehow, they can't plant some WMDs in a hole in the ground in some desert to justify a (unrelated) war which would pretty much fall under the same agenda?

 

Bull. Sh*t.

 

The government knew of the 9/11 attacks, they let them slide which would rally up the us population against the middle east allowing a very easy transition into war. It's called a false flag attack and its been admitted and used in Vietnam to get us into the war, Hitler used it with the Reichstagg fire to get into the war, not sure if you've ever heard, but history does indeed repeat itself.

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K^2
If only a portion of a building is damaged, then you would expect an asymmetrical collapse, if it collapses at all. (see pics above)

The only way to make a building fall straight down into its own footprint is if you destroy most of the internal support columns at one time (i.e. in a controlled demolition).

Problem is, WTC towers collapsed from the top down. Buildings you show had foundation give out. Completely different scenarios.

 

When a building collapses from the top down, the momentum of the top few floors free falling is what keeps the whole thing going, so there is no torque being generated, and the thing collapses ALMOST straight down. Controlled demolitions use the same effect, but they prefer to keep the whole building falling, so they set up collapse at the low floors. This means that destruction all happens at ground level, and dust isn't distributed. But if you just wanted the building to go away extra fast, you'd do the same thing that happened with WTCs. Simply take out a floor somewhere near the top and let gravity do its work.

 

So yeah, both situations would produce almost identical results. You'd have to find hard evidence of controlled demo elsewhere. You're not going to get it from physics of collapse.

 

A lot of studies have been done on whether the initial collapse of the single floor could have happened, but they are all inconclusive.

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Robinski
So these government conspiracy types are somehow capable of convincingly demolishing a group of buildings in the middle of one of the most densely populated cities in the world. Yet, somehow, they can't plant some WMDs in a hole in the ground in some desert to justify a (unrelated) war which would pretty much fall under the same agenda?

 

Bull. Sh*t.

 

The government knew of the 9/11 attacks, they let them slide which would rally up the us population against the middle east allowing a very easy transition into war. It's called a false flag attack and its been admitted and used in Vietnam to get us into the war, Hitler used it with the Reichstagg fire to get into the war, not sure if you've ever heard, but history does indeed repeat itself.

And terrorist attacks have sparked major wars before too. Just saying "Well, it's happened before so it must be the explanation for this case too" doesn't work. For example I've got involved in scraps in my life, I can name a handful of occasions where it was completely unprovoked and some drunk just wanted to pick on a weak lad, but usually it's because either myself or a friend of mine have been being a dickhead. Therefore it's not logical to assume that because I've been punched, it's completely unprovoked.

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That Jesse Ventura? The one that has mental deformities from his wrestling career and a very grim apathy from humanity after his friends died in Vietnam, leaving him with nothing but his powers as a governor, and his ideas? Just making sure this is the guy you're telling me to trust about something so small as the World Trade Centre attacks. After all, if we can't trust 'TruTV' who can we trust people?

 

Because out of total respect, I'm not going to directly attack your source. I'm simply saying don't claim Jesse Ventura as your only actual source of information, or you're going to find quite a bunch of bias against you (In your mind and out).

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