HOWTO: Buy a video card for GTA IV/EFLC

[unknownmember]

Stinky, you have too much time on your hands LOL.

[crackdawg]

Yet another way my theory overcomes criticism: look at the core configuration of any chip on any benchmark, and notice how TMU count is more influential than the other 2+ numbers.

 

BTW I'm not even reading much of these responses. Just skimming I can see it's still just social BS from people who are mad cause they lack the talent/knowledge to hold on to their precious resident geek personas. It might not hurt to actually present data showing I'm wrong instead of looking back at what was already posted which I was able to use based on the well known TFR equation. Trolling and telling people how you're right without any evidence is only working because this is a mostly careless and technically illiterate audience. I have the numbers and math working in my favor on everything..

 

EDIT: People who are actually interested can go look at low-end laptops with discrete graphics, that benchmark GTA IV on youtube and show results. Look at the wikipedia entries and notice the increase in FPS with identical resolutions and very close settings. The TMU(look at the TFR calculation) count is consistently reflected here as you'll see.

 

Or you can take their advice, which is either nothing or based on model numbers and clocks, and don't reflect in benchmarks..you'll get the same advice at a department store...

Edited November 5, 2010 by crackdawg

[viometrix]

Crackdawg,

 

just the fact that you admit you are only skimming these responses and not reading them proves how much of a f*cking idiot you are, and that if you actually read them it would ruin your theory. get a clue, no one here likes you, you are so full of bullsh*t. someone took the time to debunk everything you have said and you come back with a lame response. oh how i wish we lived closer so i could have a 5 yr old bitch slap you into submission. man just accept the fact you dont know what you are talking about and stop telling us we are wrong. you say its a little group of 5 of us trolling after you, when actually it is 7 or 8 of the revered experts in one area or another on these forums. man go away, you have a bitch boy gay ass icon, but i bet it actually looks like you, and it goes right with your attitude. just like the way you down and belittle others here, you did it to my company, why? ill tell you why, youll never be as successful as some of us, and certianly not nearly as well liked as half of us (im not in the liked half lol). but you cant even admit you have a problem or are a problem, so why am i wasting my time?

 

 

 

oh and do i look like my system was built with department store advice you peice of sh*t? what kind of junk are you gaming on?

Edited November 5, 2010 by viometrix

[crackdawg]

Crackdawg,

 

just the fact that you admit you are only skimming these responses and not reading them proves how much of a f*cking idiot you are, and that if you actually read them it would ruin your theory. get a clue, no one here likes you, you are so full of bullsh*t. someone took the time to debunk everything you have said and you come back with a lame response. oh how i wish we lived closer so i could have a 5 yr old bitch slap you into submission. man just accept the fact you dont know what you are talking about and stop telling us we are wrong. you say its a little group of 5 of us trolling after you, when actually it is 7 or 8 of the revered experts in one area or another on these forums. man go away, you have a bitch boy gay ass icon, but i bet it actually looks like you, and it goes right with your attitude. just like the way you down and belittle others here, you did it to my company, why? ill tell you why, youll never be as successful as some of us, and certianly not nearly as well liked as half of us (im not in the liked half lol). but you cant even admit you have a problem or are a problem, so why am i wasting my time?

 

 

 

oh and do i look like my system was built with department store advice you peice of sh*t? what kind of junk are you gaming on?

"advice you peice of sh*t?"

 

It's funny when people become desperate..obviously it's not department store. You should swap some cards and post some benchmarks too, so I can use them to prove it yet again

 

 

I did go read, none it proves anything I've said wrong. TFR is still the most influential on GTA, with shader units being the second..

 

The guy with the question post's two potentially damaging questions are fire-walled by this and the numbers: "The opposite is set: RAM and its highest, while GPU at its lowest"

[Stinky12]

From the same manufacture...

 

 

Graphic card A

TFR: 55.5

VRAM: 1GB @ 1700MHz GDDR5

GPU: 975MHz

BUS: 64bit

 

Graphic card B

TFR: 55.5

VRAM: 1GB @ 1700MHz GDDR5

GPU: 975MHz

BUS: 128bit

 

Graphic card C

TFR: 55.5

VRAM: 1GB @ 1700MHz GDDR5

GPU: 975MHz

BUS: 256bit

 

Since you still claim "TFR" is the most influential in GTA IV, then out of these 3 graphic card which one will you select, and why?

 

 

Edited November 5, 2010 by Stinky12

[crackdawg]

From the same manufacture...

 

 

Graphic card A

TFR: 55.5

VRAM: 1GB @ 1700MHz GDDR5

GPU: 975MHz

BUS: 64bit

 

Graphic card B

TFR: 55.5

VRAM: 1GB @ 1700MHz GDDR5

GPU: 975MHz

BUS: 128bit

 

Graphic card C

TFR: 55.5

VRAM: 1GB @ 1700MHz GDDR5

GPU: 975MHz

BUS: 256bit

 

Since you still claim "TFR" is the most influential in GTA IV, then out of these 3 graphic card which one will you select, and why?

Probably the one with 256bit memory interface, because TMUs effectively use it. The reason this wont matter when using the formula is no 64 or 128 bit cards exist with even close to that TFR. TFR is core clock multiplied by number of TMUs, and neither manufacturer makes one with that TFR, or even barely breaking 30 with 64 or 128 bit interfaces.

[Stinky12]

In the real world those specs won't be true for cards A and B, for here it's a exception.

The point of setting those cards with the exact same specifications except for the memory interface is to

determine whether you stand behind your theory. Obviously you don't as in reality it won't work.

 

If TFR and VRAM is all that matters, card A cost $60, card B: $150 card C: $300.

Why would anyone buy a expensive card that cost $300 when you get a card for $60 bucks?

They all have the same TFR isn't it?

 

And before you post another one of your intellectual explanations, remember your theory

 

 

Because RAGE engine has it's own rendering pipeline, and only uses texture and framebuffer features of your card and subsystem. This is why I say buy by TFR and VRAM, not what is new or model numbers, or even clocks like all the experts here like to repeatedly suggest.

 

Also as a reminder, there was no mentioning of TFR is TMU x Core clock. You stated this after you were challenged.

 

 

 

 

[viometrix]

touche

[crackdawg]

 

In the real world those specs won't be true for cards A and B, for here it's a exception.

The point of setting those cards with the exact same specifications except for the memory interface is to

determine whether you stand behind your theory. Obviously you don't as in reality it won't work.

 

If TFR and VRAM is all that matters, card A cost $60, card B: $150 card C: $300.

Why would anyone buy a expensive card that cost $300 when you get a card for $60 bucks?

They all have the same TFR isn't it?

 

And before you post another one of your intellectual explanations, remember your theory

 

 

Because RAGE engine has it's own rendering pipeline, and only uses texture and framebuffer features of your card and subsystem. This is why I say buy by TFR and VRAM, not what is new or model numbers, or even clocks like all the experts here like to repeatedly suggest.

 

Also as a reminder, there was no mentioning of TFR is TMU x Core clock. You stated this after you were challenged.

Actually my theory is something you even use. People who disagree with me show that cards like a 8800 GTS G92, and 9800 GTX+ G92B and on up the latter are the cards to buy for this game to play at decent settings and res. These are the cards where TMU configurations increase, and the unified shader pipeline and render pipline don't really. The configuration is only supplemented by memory interface and clocks, but nobody puts those configuration on cards with 64bit-128bit or slower clocks. Thus using TFR OR TMU/TFU actually work.

 

I'd put the unified shader pipeline in second place, ATI cards mostly have nvidia beat here, but don't get TMU close to Nvidia until up in the higher range.

 

EDIT: I was in one way wrong about consoles. GPUs on them are comparatively lacking, but you have to take into consideration software overhead, their powerful CPUs, and the fact one can be had for what a 1GB 8800GT or 512MB 8800GTS or better can be had alone, and DO give decent performance and quality for the comparative price.

Edited November 6, 2010 by crackdawg

[nikobellic91]

Please stop it guys, this is getting out of hand.

 

@Vio: If I were you, I wouldn't have entertained a troll.

 

@Crackdawg: Nice theory and all, but the point is

 

NO ONE WANTS IT!

[crackdawg]

 

Please stop it guys, this is getting out of hand.

 

@Vio: If I were you, I wouldn't have entertained a troll.

 

@Crackdawg: Nice theory and all, but the point is

               

                  NO ONE WANTS IT!

you don't speak for everyone. This is the answer to both the questions 'why does it lag on my pc' and 'what should I buy' that you see plastered all over the net for this game.

 

Also trolls don't defend with data to technical criticism. All I did was defend/prove it while being slandered and called names. I responded to actual information presented properly.

 

Just out of curiosity, is being someone who is smarter than most and can/has proven it what makes me a "troll"? At the end of the day by general definition I'm not the troll here by a long shot..I presented data you and the other lurkers called names and slandered as a response..I'm sure it's by popular opinions that I have a negative image here, but at least all the haters can't prove me wrong where it counts, and this is what makes people like you bitter.

Edited November 6, 2010 by crackdawg

[mkey82]

Just out of curiosity, is being someone who is smarter than most and can/has proven it what makes me a "troll"?

No, your intentions make you a troll. You opened this thread to supposedly keep away from the trolls, and then you have continued trolling for about three pages.

 

Has anyone posted anything not trolling related in this thread? No. So can you truly say that anyone interested in your theory?

[viometrix]

simply put you can throw up all the theoretical data you want, and say what you want, but just like a few of einsteins theories that were actually proved wrong because the math that einstein thought was correct was found to be incorrect, so is your data. though im done with this topic, there is no point in talking to you as you think all of us are ganging up on you and just lurkers, when we contribute here regularly, you come here and voila there is trouble and arguing.

 

i speak in practical terms that the general and less savvy can understand to get the most of their gaming experience. you come in here and confuse with your so called technical prowess and technical speak. i know thats only good if you are in a lab, here you speak to the masses of all levels.

[Stinky12]

 

simply put you can throw up all the theoretical data you want, and say what you want, but just like a few of einsteins theories that were actually proved wrong because the math that einstein thought was correct was found to be incorrect, so is your data. though im done with this topic, there is no point in talking to you as you think all of us are ganging up on you and just lurkers, when we contribute here regularly, you come here and voila there is trouble and arguing.

 

i speak in practical terms that the general and less savvy can understand to get the most of their gaming experience. you come in here and confuse with your so called technical prowess and technical speak. i know thats only good if you are in a lab, here you speak to the masses of all levels.

That was my point to provide those charts, creating those results took at least 2 hours of my precious time, but it was worth it so others can see

concrete data as to what truly benefits in this game. Also I agree speaking here needs to be generalized so users who are not technical can understand what we're talking about.

 

It's like you working at Bestbuy, if someone comes to you to buy a computer, are you going to talking to them like

 

"This computer has a Core i5 dual core processor at 3.2GHz, 4GB of DDR2 at latency of 9-9-9-12, SATA HDD with 1TB of storage space + 16MB of cache"

 

or

 

"This computer features our top of the line Intel technology, has tons of storage for your precious files, and a powerful graphics so you can play the latest games"

Edited November 6, 2010 by Stinky12

[crackdawg]

If I was going to build a system to save money that could concur GTA at high resolution with max settings I'd just get 4GB DDR3, x4 615e, and something with 50+ TMU/TFU. Like I originally said. This saves money, energy costs(350W PSU or even 300W), and would make the customer more than happy as this will also concur other titles in coming years.

 

BTW the TFR calculation isn't exactly discreet mathematics. This isn't even theory so much as it is observation and common sense in some respects.

 

The same people who have followed me thread to thread aren't the ones who actually presented data, but instead the ones who repeatedly use social attacks. Saying TMU/TFR units aren't the most influential in GTA IV, or even GPU architecture is also a pretty ignorant claim, even outside of any game title.

 

How do you think a card with 300:80:16(a real configuration in both manufacturers cards) would act not just in GTA, but any game you care to mention if it was 300:8:16?

 

It's nice that some of you over-clocked a card in the nineties, but how about getting some money together and buying a f*cking clue? I could design SBCs in the nineties, and I'm probably younger than most of you. Analyses of GPU architecture and benchmarks is something obviously none of you are good at when I can quote a single sentence that technically discredits your lacky 'you're wrong you're stupid' posts in a fashion that would take obvious ignorance to not bring out admitted defeat.

 

My intention was to help people, and as all the threads show it was me being attacked first and throughout..just cause I successfully defended this against a bunch of pseudo-geeks with a chip on their shoulders doesn't make me a troll. All I did was presented facts, it wasn't me calling people mouth-breather level insults.

Edited November 6, 2010 by crackdawg

[viometrix]

yay i can run this game with any sh*tty ole card that will work with a 350 watt psu oh and the future too?. so all you psu manufacturers stop making big ones, and nvidia and ati stop making the big cards, they are useless and unneeded.... yeah right you f*cking idiot... and its spelled conqure.... concur is to agree, and we all concur you are a cheap ass idiot.

 

btw, 99% of all video cards on the market today recommend a 450 - 500 watt psu as a bare minimum. and again you give us greif because we dont present technical data, no we present it in laihmans terms so everyone can understand. between your name and aditude i bet you are 16 or 17 yr old with a chip on your shoulder, not an adult as youre pretending to be. the fact is the people you attack, myself inclded, have helped a great many peopl, you on the other hand have not.

Edited November 6, 2010 by viometrix

[marmoo]

I think you have argued this one to death lads

 

Just agree to disagree

[Stinky12]

 

I think you have argued this one to death lads

 

Just agree to disagree

Why agree to a invalid statement, just to shut him up so he can spread his misleading info?

Guess who suffers the most? You guys who aren't that technical especially with all of those "Help me build a GTA IV machine" or "Which video card to play GTA IV" topics.

 

 

His theory is like saying horse power is all that matters in a car.

 

Do you agree a Honda Civic with 200HP is the same as a Nissan Skyline also with 200HP?

If those who agree, then you guys can go and believe in his theory.

 

Or in computing terms, he claims his 8800GT is all it needs to play this game. You don't need a GTX460 or anything else.

Well then good luck finding a 8800GT

 

 

Edited November 6, 2010 by Stinky12

[marmoo]

I said it because you are all trolling

You have all had your say and it is now descending into farce

 

Can we find an admin to lock this one?

[viometrix]

I said it because you are all trolling

You have all had your say and it is now descending into farce

 

Can we find an admin to lock this one?

Agreed

[TruXter]

to sum up this whole thread.

 

op "good stuff= good stuff"

 

Mkey "and more good stuff = better stuff"

 

op - "prove it"

 

Mkey - "?"

 

Viometrix - "LOL"

 

Op- "?"

 

and then it turned into an argument.

Mkey is right. Op is right. Viometrix is lol.

 

Good job op. Your post defined plenty. Nice try on helping mike. I think it all was just slightly misunderstood. and Viometrix ....lol.

 

[yoječ]

Well I once gave a link to benchmark that proved crackdawg's method to be wrong.

 

He just discredited that site for not being reliable. And that's it. Just simply said results were manipulated. I think that speaks for itself.

 

So I don't think there is any point in going on with this discussion.