Is Rockstar in trouble?

[Mati]

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1124113p1.html

 

Is this a reason to hurry up with GTA5?

[lt_yao]

No, because R* has a larger fan-base and really... Hardly anyone cares what IGN thinks.

 

It's not about what reviewers think who have been paid to think that way.

[Mati]

No, because R* has a larger fan-base and really... Hardly anyone cares what IGN thinks.

 

It's not about what reviewers think who have been paid to think that way.

I dont know. IGN has many influence these days. I know people who didnt buy a few games cause a bad IGN review.

[lt_yao]

No, because R* has a larger fan-base and really... Hardly anyone cares what IGN thinks.

 

It's not about what reviewers think who have been paid to think that way.

I dont know. IGN has many influence these days. I know people who didnt buy a few games cause a bad IGN review.

Another thing to consider is that Mafia 2 <> GTA series. It's not exactly open world, it's a pretty linear game with it's free roam option being completely useless.

[ezcool]

You can't compare those games. So that means you can't tell which one is winning from both of them.

[valensim]

the day Rockstar Games will release the new GTA will be the best day for R*, becouse they will make more money with the new GTA then with GTA IV and it will be the best game of the year.

So R* u don't have to worry about it.

 

 

Rockstar Games kick ass.

[Mati]

You can't compare those games. So that means you can't tell which one is winning from both of them.

I know. This topic is not about which one is better.

But IGN compares these games anyways!

[XTREME0235]

You can't compare those games. So that means you can't tell which one is winning from both of them.

Winning?

Wouldn't you rather rephrase that to gaining higher ratings and publicity?

 

The companies developing the games won't win any prize for their game being the best. Of all things the developers give out things for the public to win.

 

XTREME0235.

[Corcovado]

Its an interesting article, but when it comes down to it, its just one guys opinion. IGN rated gta4 10 and Mafia2 7. They know the difference.

I just finished playing Mafia2 and although it was a nice game to play, but not good enough for me to want to buy the dlc's.

[TreyCrll]

IGn does have a lot of influence over people, but when you think about it, most of the people that play video games around the world don't look at IGN for anything but cheat codes lol. I know for a fact that 9 out of 10 gamers I know ever even go to IGN to read articles or compare games. If someone likes a game or a game series and they have the money to buy it, they're going to try it out regardless of what a big headed website like IGN says about it. There's no trouble for R*, unless you count the fact that it looks like a lot of their fans are gonna start rioting if they don't hear any information on GTA V soon.

[Mati]

 

[SilentSeas]

the day Rockstar Games will release the new GTA will be the best day for R*, becouse they will make more money with the new GTA then with GTA IV and it will be the best game of the year.

So R* u don't have to worry about it.

 

 

Rockstar Games kick ass.

Thats a bold prediction to make. Yes GTA is as amazing and popular as ever, but other series like CoD have gained more prominence in recent years. If GTA was released anytime near a CoD release (which is likely with the way Activision are rolling them out), I could see R* taking a very minor hit sales wise. But R* have nothing to be worried about, GTA will always be money maker.

[Mati]

Wasnt it like this between each GTA? After GTA3 great games came, some with better ratings but then Vice city came and BOOM!

Between San Andreas to GTA4 was a huge gap and great games came, Rockstar was also making other games like Bully but GTA4 kicked ass as usual.

 

The same will happen if GTA5 comes out. This is Rockstars tactics. They n00bed Saints row and other games like this.

[SirPsychoSexy]

No, because R* has a larger fan-base and really... Hardly anyone cares what IGN thinks.

 

It's not about what reviewers think who have been paid to think that way.

I dont know. IGN has many influence these days. I know people who didnt buy a few games cause a bad IGN review.

I didn't buy Mafia II because of IGN:s bad reviews (and because I didn't like the gameplay in the demo)

But honestly, if I think a game seems good, I don't care what IGN says, just maybe if I'm not sure.

[ldee]

They gave Mafia II a 7/10, and GTA IV a 10/10.

 

Doesn't that mean they appreciate GTA IV's quality a hell lot more?

[Mati]

They gave Mafia II a 7/10, and GTA IV a 10/10.

 

Doesn't that mean they appreciate GTA IV's quality a hell lot more?

Yes, but the article is like a `second view` and they start like Mafia 2 more.

And besides, if GTA4 would come out today I dont think it would have a score of 10.

IGN makes its revievs sharper now.

[Shay Feral]

Nah... Because I bought Mafia 2, beat it, and took it back.

 

GTA IV however, I bought it shortly after it came out and I still have it and play it...

 

Mafia 2 really has nothing but pin ups and playboy centerfolds for replay value. I'm 24 with a computer and internet, don't need a video game for titties and beer. Also, the game is clearly restrictive in game play. I dare you to try and beat the irishman when you first fight him. Also, try and finish up carrying those crates at the beginning.

 

Don't get me wrong, I liked Mafia 2, but after I beat storymode alot of it's flaws and restrictions came to the surface and pretty much killed it for me.

 

GTA IV I just f*ck around after I beat the main story, alot of things to do in Liberty, alot of places to see over and over again... Empire Bay... Charleston West Virginia has it beat.

 

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Just noticed that it seems that the article is blasting GTA

 

One of the least interesting contenders in this era is the open world game that Rockstar popularized with Grand Theft Auto 3

 

Thats where I stopped taking this article seriously.

Edited September 30, 2010 by Shay Feral

[SilentSeas]

They gave Mafia II a 7/10, and GTA IV a 10/10.

 

Doesn't that mean they appreciate GTA IV's quality a hell lot more?

Yes, but the article is like a `second view` and they start like Mafia 2 more.

And besides, if GTA4 would come out today I dont think it would have a score of 10.

IGN makes its revievs sharper now.

Of course IV wouldn't be given a 10 if it was released today. Its only been a couple of years but the graphics are already beginning to look dated and the gameplay is sluggish compared to whats on the market now. Its not because theres anything wrong with IV or IGN's reviews are stricter, its the speed at which the industry is progressing.

[ScotchMouth]

The answer to your question "Is rockstar in trouble" would be no. There are a couple a factors that come in to play.

 

Although IGN does exert some influence over some readers the score wasn't high enough to sway a decision. I've browsed that site for years and have noticed the trend that people are easily swayed by a number though it's just one person's opinion. Thats what i find great. There are friends of mine who's opinion i trust. There are friends that i take with a grain of salt. Why would i consider some unknown's opinion just because his opinion gets published on a video game website.

 

Things that the reviewer may like I may personally dislike and vise versa. We are our own best review system. Only i know what i like. Articles and reviews are a great place to find out some details about a game and to take someone elses personality into consideration but it shouldn't be a deciding factor over whether we play a game or not. Before the internet I remember just playing games on blind rentals. Either that or i had to wait a month for a magazine to come out with reviews.

 

Overall IGN gave mafia 2 a seven. Personally i think thats generous. I found the game to be crap. I would have went with a 6. Alot of people have actually been influenced by both the seven score and the overall negitive feedback to the game. I've seen people say they would have played it had the review been more generous. The damage is already done there. There is nothing in that game that is going to make it a cult classic.

 

The only time Rockstar is going to be in trouble is when people start getting tired of their games. That seems to be about never. They are always growing. Making good games and making improvements. The proof is in the sales figures pudding.

 

Other companies can only wish to ride their coat tales of success. But even that is tough.

[GritEngine]

That is one person's ill informed article. Just remember which game got the first 10 in years on that site.

 

Seriously, the comparison is moot too. Mafia is not even 1/4 the game GTA IV is.

 

Literally.

 

In mafia you may drive cars or sink them with no physical realism, they just fall through the water.

 

In GTA IV you can drive cars, boats, helicopters. Land sea and air. Building tops, every single one, accessible. City, accessible. WATER accessible lmao. Mafia is a pimple-mark on what is truly open-world. 10 years to make THAT? haha, no thanks.

 

As you can see, It doesn't stop at vehicles... every aspect of Mafia 2 is literally a less than half fraction of what is in GTA IV. There is no comparison, no likeness, to any game, let alone mafia.

 

This is not an open world game, it is a gimmick, and it holds NO CANDLE to GTA IV because this is basically a spit-shined Vice City - literally, the technology used in GTA IV is of no comparison to this average, very linear, fakes open world game Mafia 2.

Edited September 30, 2010 by GritEngine

[neon_91]

mafia 2 is pretty good game but it will never reach to gta.in gta you can go out with your friends do a lot of activity.but there is nothing in mafia 2to do after you finish game.so gta iv is more realism than mafia.but one thing mafia 2 story is best.even better than gta iv and that keep the game in top.

[General Goose]

Yeah, I disliked this article too. Many of the points have already been covered already, but I still dislike it. For example, at one point it appears to praise the fact that a whole series of burglary missions aren't unlocked following a stealth mission. What?

[Kwandilibro]

the day Rockstar Games will release the new GTA will be the best day for R*, becouse they will make more money with the new GTA then with GTA IV and it will be the best game of the year.

So R* u don't have to worry about it.

 

 

Rockstar Games kick ass. 

Thats a bold prediction to make. Yes GTA is as amazing and popular as ever, but other series like CoD have gained more prominence in recent years. If GTA was released anytime near a CoD release (which is likely with the way Activision are rolling them out), I could see R* taking a very minor hit sales wise. But R* have nothing to be worried about, GTA will always be money maker.

See, but here's the difference.

 

Who really wants to buy COD 3 or 5 now that MW2 is out? Only 4 and MW2 ever get bought. The old game usually just gets kicked to the curb.

 

GTA on the other hand sells like a motherf*cker. You can go in Gamestop and find IV, EFLC, and SA all in one spot, and people will still buy them.

 

My point here is that COD and GTA simply do not compare.

[Ash_735]

No offense people but you GTA fans are laughable, they compare certain things to GTA and say what they think is better in Mafia II and you know what, THINGS ARE! GTA IV is two years old now, there have been games that have improved on what GTA IV offers, hell, even a Rockstar Game has improved massively over GTA IV. Not taking sides here, but you know what Mafia II is at least better at? Working on a damn computer from the get go and having great performance whilst beating the console versions, something that can't be said for GTA IV off the bat.

[SilentSeas]

the day Rockstar Games will release the new GTA will be the best day for R*, becouse they will make more money with the new GTA then with GTA IV and it will be the best game of the year.

So R* u don't have to worry about it.

 

 

Rockstar Games kick ass.  

Thats a bold prediction to make. Yes GTA is as amazing and popular as ever, but other series like CoD have gained more prominence in recent years. If GTA was released anytime near a CoD release (which is likely with the way Activision are rolling them out), I could see R* taking a very minor hit sales wise. But R* have nothing to be worried about, GTA will always be money maker.

See, but here's the difference.

 

Who really wants to buy COD 3 or 5 now that MW2 is out? Only 4 and MW2 ever get bought. The old game usually just gets kicked to the curb.

 

GTA on the other hand sells like a motherf*cker. You can go in Gamestop and find IV, EFLC, and SA all in one spot, and people will still buy them.

 

My point here is that COD and GTA simply do not compare.

Of corse the games are uncomparable. I'm just saying R* need to think more carefully about when they release V because other series have became as prominant. And who says that old CoD games get kicked to the curb? I've seen CoD4 and WaW still selling at full price in GAME whilst IV is going for peanuts. From what I've seen, GTA doesn't hold its value as well as it used to.

 

But I'll reiterate: R* aren't in trouble, GTA will always be a moneymaker

[Kwandilibro]

the day Rockstar Games will release the new GTA will be the best day for R*, becouse they will make more money with the new GTA then with GTA IV and it will be the best game of the year.

So R* u don't have to worry about it.

 

 

Rockstar Games kick ass.  

Thats a bold prediction to make. Yes GTA is as amazing and popular as ever, but other series like CoD have gained more prominence in recent years. If GTA was released anytime near a CoD release (which is likely with the way Activision are rolling them out), I could see R* taking a very minor hit sales wise. But R* have nothing to be worried about, GTA will always be money maker.

See, but here's the difference.

 

Who really wants to buy COD 3 or 5 now that MW2 is out? Only 4 and MW2 ever get bought. The old game usually just gets kicked to the curb.

 

GTA on the other hand sells like a motherf*cker. You can go in Gamestop and find IV, EFLC, and SA all in one spot, and people will still buy them.

 

My point here is that COD and GTA simply do not compare.

Of corse the games are uncomparable. I'm just saying R* need to think more carefully about when they release V because other series have became as prominant. And who says that old CoD games get kicked to the curb? I've seen CoD4 and WaW still selling at full price in GAME whilst IV is going for peanuts. From what I've seen, GTA doesn't hold its value as well as it used to.

 

But I'll reiterate: R* aren't in trouble, GTA will always be a moneymaker

Notice I said "only 4 and MW2".

 

The rest are virtually worthless in comparison.

[SilentSeas]

My point here is that COD and GTA simply do not compare.

Of corse the games are uncomparable. I'm just saying R* need to think more carefully about when they release V because other series have became as prominant. And who says that old CoD games get kicked to the curb? I've seen CoD4 and WaW still selling at full price in GAME whilst IV is going for peanuts. From what I've seen, GTA doesn't hold its value as well as it used to.

 

But I'll reiterate: R* aren't in trouble, GTA will always be a moneymaker

Notice I said "only 4 and MW2".

 

The rest are virtually worthless in comparison.

Fair enough, but the same goes for IV though, that sells for the same price as COD3 here in the UK. And anyway from what I COD4 was released about year before IV so if anything that highlights the fact that theres more competion. But the point is GTA has more competition now then it did in the last gen. If R* get V remotely wrong (including the release date) the sales will suffer (only slightly).

[IRH1995]

R* will definitely in trouble if they still produce crappy games like GTA IV!!! Where the f*ck is the second version of SA?

[GritEngine]

 

No offense people but you GTA fans are laughable, they compare certain things to GTA and say what they think is better in Mafia II and you know what, THINGS ARE! GTA IV is two years old now, there have been games that have improved on what GTA IV offers, hell, even a Rockstar Game has improved massively over GTA IV. Not taking sides here, but you know what Mafia II is at least better at? Working on a damn computer from the get go and having great performance whilst beating the console versions, something that can't be said for GTA IV off the bat.

Yea, it's only because it does less than 1/4 of what GTA IV does... there are no more technologically advanced games that GTA IV. RDR may improve the renderer, facial animations, and add horses, but it isn't using nearly as much as Liberty City itself, let alone all the things you can do in IV that are completely gone in RDR.

 

To put it bluntly: Nothing is like GTA IV, and it ran 30+ fps on minimum hardware from release day. And the game targeted 30 fps, so it's not a bad thing.

 

Mafia 2 doesn't have flying vehicles, real water, none of that, it's fast because it is vice city with some better graphics and still not as many features as GTA III let alone GTA VC, doesn't compare to IV, completely different beast...

[SilentSeas]

R* will definitely in trouble if they still produce crappy games like GTA IV!!! Where the f*ck is the second version of SA?

Are you stupid? IV was both a critical and commercial success and is considered to be one of the finest games of all time. Just because all you SA fanboys say IV is cr*p because of the lack of pointless features, that doesn't make it true.