Niko hiding to Packie he killed one of his brother

[Cousin!ItIsYourCousin!]

Normally Niko was pretty straight forward , but didnt you felt a little bit like a traitor during all of this episode? It didnt look like Niko to me and I felt bad for Packie as he was awesome and fair to you overall.Just food for thought.

[Cynical Penguin]

You should have probably made the Title a little less of a give-away. And Packie didn't seem to care if you killed Francis

[Mati]

It was strange that Packie didnt care who killed derrick.

[Tyla]

I didn't feel like a traitor, as I chose to do away with a man who had Niko by the balls so when the opportunity arose to get rid it was taken. Even though the circumstances would've meant he would of been free of this man's clutches anyway, it was best to murder him for his prior actions. Not to mention he wasn't the least bit likeable.

I chose for Niko to spare Derrick on an account that they served to rob a bank together and that they had similar past experiences that both left them ruined. You do feel as though you should put him out of his misery but you can't choose to get rid of them both.

It wouldn't be Packie's retribution to be fearful of. He's done with his family, or whats left of it. It would be if Gerald found out that the proverbial would hit the fan.

[OGIamLoco]

well, you do get stuck dating his ugly sister..

[junkpile]

and this is why gta 4 is great. you get dirt on your face no matter what.

it doesn't matter who liked whom better, you still kill one of his brothers.

 

and there isn't a right or wrong between those two brothers, just a right and wrong in "doing it" or "not doing it". since you can't complete the game by choosing the latter, you will always go wrong.

 

this game is made that way to show you will always do sh*t like that you don't really want to, when you decide to live a life like that.

[cidamelo]

Niko has been a traitor in most of storyline. But I like him anyway. I think that in the criminal world, almost everyone is a rat. That's why I don't understand when people hate Ray Boccino just because he is a snake, Niko was too.

[junkpile]

Niko has been a traitor in most of storyline. But I like him anyway. I think that in the criminal world, almost everyone is a rat. That's why I don't understand when people hate Ray Boccino just because he is a snake, Niko was too.

ain't no honor amongst thieves, i feel you there.

about boccino:

i can't see how people HATE him. i mean, dimitri f.e. is made to hate, stabs anyone in the back, but boccino never rats, turns on you or anything, he even gives you the alderney safehouse.

 

just after "late checkout" he damages the relation to niko, when freaking out on the phone.

but he used to be kind, niko says he pays sh*t but you actually get quite a lot money from him, he even helps you to find bernie.

 

but this is all part of the game...that you had to wipe out boccino, who isn't really so bad.

 

[cidamelo]

junkpile I don't know why people hate him too. Maybe it's because The Lost And Damned, but I haven't played it yet. I think Ray was kind good with Niko, even thought he sometimes freaks out. But poor him, everything was going wrong for him, he is a human, and therefore he got angry with all the fail of the diamonds deal. Even Niko feels bad when he kills Ray, if you complete Pest Control and after it call Roman, he feels bad for killing Ray.

[junkpile]

junkpile I don't know why people hate him too. Maybe it's because The Lost And Damned, but I haven't played it yet. I think Ray was kind good with Niko, even thought he sometimes freaks out. But poor him, everything was going wrong for him, he is a human, and therefore he got angry with all the fail of the diamonds deal. Even Niko feels bad when he kills Ray, if you complete Pest Control and after it call Roman, he feels bad for killing Ray.

in the lost and damned he isn't much different. he cares for his goons (look out for the cutscene in his basement) and just minds his business. he would have shared the diamond money with the lost but johnny couldn't stand him f*cking ashley and so, he stabbed ray in the back by keeping all of the money.

[cidamelo]

So Niko and Johnny betrayed Ray, and RAY is the snake?? I think the snake are others But one thing I can't stand is why Ray Boccino had an affair with Ashley Butler, she is ugly!!

[Cpl.Dunn]

Ray was one of the snakes.

[AceRay]

I guess those guys haven't played TLATD (which I haven't, but apparently Ray is much more evil there). Johnny should have killed him actually.

and that was pretty much the only time where Niko wasn't strait.

[Stefan_Macedonia]

I guess those guys haven't played TLATD (which I haven't, but apparently Ray is much more evil there). Johnny should have killed him actually.

and that was pretty much the only time where Niko wasn't strait.

Johnny played Ray., Ray had all the right to send the hitmans to kill Johhny and the Lost crew... But on the other side there was completly no reason for Niko to kill Ray., He was fair and even friendly with Niko... I wish Rokstar made the mission to chose to kill Ray or let him go...

[AceRay]

obviously, R* wanted players to hate Ray more they do.

[junkpile]

obviously, R* wanted players to hate Ray more they do.

even after the events in ray's basement in TLAD and right after the cutscene in "pest control", i didn't "hate" ray.

 

he was out for his own, but so is niko or johnny.

the last two seem to not like him in particular, but us, the players...well, i think R* let us kill people we probably wouldn't want to kill.

 

in the beginning it's all so easy...take ivan for example.

"if vlad wants you dead, you can't be all bad."

this is exactly what i thought, then it gets worse, you can't let faustin go, you have to kill him.

 

with dwayne and pbx you get another choice but the decision is kind of easy.

who would really kill dwayne?, i mean, the 25 k don't help you buy anything since you get lots of money in other missions.

even if people like pbx better, he won't become your friend.

you have more profit in the end if you spare dwayne and even if you don't want him as a friend, just don't answer his e-mail and you won't get bothered.

 

but as the game continues, you'll end up with the mcreary brothers and you have to kill one of them.

and since R* wants niko to fall in love with kate, you will ALWAYS have skeletons in your closet,...you killed a family member of your friends and the girl you love.

 

and well, as far as ray is concerned, i didn't hate him, he was a well written/made character. if i had the chance to spare him, maybe i even would do so.

[Tyla]

If there were more need or use for the money Niko would receive from performing these hits, would the allure of the cash sway you away from the choices you made when you actually played through the first time?

 

It's all well and good murdering the corrupt deputy commissioner who has you by the balls and getting him off your back permanently, but would the temptation of the $20,000 for following his order to shoot his junkie brother prove influential in your decision if there was a real reason for you to profit from the killing?

[cidamelo]

Stefan_Macedonia yes this is ridiculous, I think we should have the option of let Ray alive, I agree that there was not reason to kill him, Jimmy was an old senile crazy man, I hate him I think he was good to Niko, I don't understand why Niko hates him so much, but if you call up Roman after killing Ray, Niko says he regrets, at least

AceRay Actually I love Ray and he's my favorite character in GTA IV Series

junkpile I let Ivan live, but I regret it, have you ever played his random character? Ivan is RIDICULOUS!!! Can you believe I would kill Faustin? I thought he was a drug addicted who become really mad, like her wife said. And I thought Dimitri WAS A NICE GUY!!! Can you believe my son chose to kill Dwayne? He thought Playboy X was cool Obviously I prefer Dwayne, I feel sorry for him and he gives an awesome safehouse, and he becomes a friend too, and his backup is really useful, in hard missions like Catch The Wave, with Phil Bell, for example. And I killed Francis, I hated him and I felt sorry for Derrick, he was kind of cute Obviously I'd spare Ray, he is a very interesting character, it's a shame he had such a saltless end

Tyla I agree with you, maybe we do this 'correct' choices because the money is easy to get in other ways, but if it was hard, we would get tempted definately

[junkpile]

If there were more need or use for the money Niko would receive from performing these hits, would the allure of the cash sway you away from the choices you made when you actually played through the first time?

 

It's all well and good murdering the corrupt deputy commissioner who has you by the balls and getting him off your back permanently, but would the temptation of the $20,000 for following his order to shoot his junkie brother prove influential in your decision if there was a real reason for you to profit from the killing?

there isn't a right or good decision in killing any of them.

derrick just used you, he was a police informant (confirmed by packie and the lcpd database)and killed his former friend(s), he even ratted out himself to save his ass. he isn't so different from francis.

 

francis at least pays you for this sh*t (blood brothers),

derrick just puts some kind of "friendship-we're-the-same-reason" in front of it.

and you can see niko isn't too happy about helping derrick or killing francis.

 

 

[cidamelo]

junkpile maybe you're right. But I don't know, somehow I feel sorry for Derrick, and I hate Francis. But I felt very sorry when I had to kill Aileen O'Mailey, he was so happy to being free

[AceRay]

OFF TOPIC: Why didn't Niko and Packie get Aiden out of that prison uniform? I would have killed one of the bums on the beech, dress Aiden up in that, then maybe cut up his face until it is not recognizable, then throw him in the sea. They were a bit amateur about that

ON TOPIC: Maybe you don't see it, but Jimmy says that Ray is too scheming and is "checking you for the next 6 moves when you haven't even put your first piece out." or something like that. I still say he was and he deserved to die. Listen to what Phil says, too. he didn't trust Ray.

[cidamelo]

AceRay I agree with you. There's another mission, a random encounter for Jeff, the man who killed his ex-wife, where you have to drive a car with the death woman clearly visible, this is so nonsense, why didn't they put her in the trunk or covered her with some sheet? Ray seemed to be really smart, but it doesn't makes him a rat. I didn't see any proof that he was actually a rat, only suspicions

[AceRay]

I guess Jeff didn't have time. He had probably just killed her when he called Niko.

Well, we'll have to trust R* that Ray was a snake and Niko does get frustrated with him a couple of times, so maybe Niko just has a disliking of him

[Tyla]

 

If there were more need or use for the money Niko would receive from performing these hits, would the allure of the cash sway you away from the choices you made when you actually played through the first time?

 

It's all well and good murdering the corrupt deputy commissioner who has you by the balls and getting him off your back permanently, but would the temptation of the $20,000 for following his order to shoot his junkie brother prove influential in your decision if there was a real reason for you to profit from the killing?

there isn't a right or good decision in killing any of them.

derrick just used you, he was a police informant (confirmed by packie and the lcpd database)and killed his former friend(s), he even ratted out himself to save his ass. he isn't so different from francis.

 

francis at least pays you for this sh*t (blood brothers),

derrick just puts some kind of "friendship-we're-the-same-reason" in front of it.

and you can see niko isn't too happy about helping derrick or killing francis.

Oh, I agree, but you can't kill both of them.

 

There's no denying Derrick is a horrible, horrible individual. Just like Francis, and akin to Darko perhaps, although Darko lined up twelve of his friends to get killed while Derrick snitched on two of his friends he served in the IRA with and god knows how many criminals he came into contact with in England.

He's a feeble mind and if the police wanted to nail Niko for his crimes then there's no doubt they would deliver a kicking to Derrick's drug addled frame to persuade him to testify, and that is a danger, but Niko doesn't see it because he's trapped in this hunt for Florian and Darko and thats why you as the player have this choice and aren't confined to shooting Derrick as you are told. The future doesn't matter. He'd be happy if someone put him out of his misery. Francis, however, made numerous threats to Niko on several occasions that he would put him away, that he had dirt on him, that he killed Mikhail Faustin, etc. I think this would have tipped the scope in Frankie's favor, or at least it did for me.

 

I agree wholly that Derrick would be sitting pretty from Francis being dead, and from the moment he cuts his call to you after you murder his brother you know that. It's only later through conversations with Packie that Niko becomes aware of Derrick's true nature though. A grass.

[junkpile]

It's only later through conversations with Packie that Niko becomes aware of Derrick's true nature though.

packie becomes your friend after "three leaf clover", you can avoid doing missions for derrick and go out with packie numerous times, he could tell you before.

anyways, the lcpd database is available from the beginning. it also states that derrick is an informant.

also, if you listen carefully:

 

during the boatride in the mission babysitting derrick talks about how aiden got caught, it's so obvious derrick ratted him out.

and niko also says "i know how it feels to be betrayed" (something like that) and derrick responds "You got that look about you." <- lol, how would derrick know, he knows how someone looks who got betrayed because himself saw aiden's face probably.

and this whole conversation is made up to show derrick had something to do with it.

 

sure, all the mcreary's seem somehow "happier" (except maureen mcreary) when francis is gone. still, you would have killed a family member of them and it isn't like francis would be a threat to them. (he wouldn't take gerald or packie to prison)

[Tyla]

I don't know how the conversations work but Packie starts going on about his dead brother soon after you start taking him out, before he mentions Derrick is a grass and that Gerald won't bend and take a plea bargain to get out of prison because of it. Francis sends you the link to the database after you kill Derrick, so again, I don't think you're supposed to see it until that point.

 

It's all well and good that you twigged on to Derrick being a grass when you did the mission Babysitting, and that it influenced your decision, but that doesn't mean Niko did. After all, I clocked on to Michelle being a cop right after the first meeting, but Niko didn't become aware of this until later on.

 

Gerry was a strange guy though. He hated Francis, but looked like he was going to explode after meeting Niko in prison after he had killed him. I don't know how he was about Derrick, but I think there'd be more chance of him harming Niko over his brothers death than Packie.

[junkpile]

he reacts the same way.

"derrick and i had quite a few problems, but he believed in something once, which is better than me, f*ck it, i'll miss him."

[na89340qv0n34b09q340]

It's kind of funny how a topic about packie turned into a condolences page for Ray Boccino but anway, Rockstar does a good job at character development. A lot of us hated Ray because he was one of those types of people you just want to attack, and we never felt angry at Niko because R* masked it all behind Niko being the protagonist, we are always agreeing upon our own decisions.

[AceRay]

 

  OFF TOPIC: Why didn't Niko and Packie get Aiden out of that prison uniform? I would have killed one of the bums on the beech, dress Aiden up in that, then maybe cut up his face until it is not recognizable, then throw him in the sea. They were a bit amateur about that ON TOPIC: Maybe you don't see it, but Jimmy says that Ray is too scheming and is "checking you for the next 6 moves when you haven't even put your first piece out." or something like that. I still say he was and he deserved to die. Listen to what Phil says, too. he didn't trust Ray.

 

yeah, thats kind of my fault XD

[cidamelo]

zoo3891 I still don't know why much hate on Ray, it seems people hate Ray Boccino more than Jimmy Pegorino! I think Ray is the best character of GTA IV!